Greenleaf - General Discussion

[wanderingstar]

AFTER SEASON FINALE RECORD NUMBERS, ‘GREENLEAF’ IS MOST WATCHED NEW CABLE SHOW OF THE SUMMER

[Happytobehere]

On September 1, 2016 at 0:18 AM, Jx223 said:

I think it would have been easier for Charity if Kevin had feelings for another woman instead of men. I think that she may have felt like she had a fight chance for her marriage if her husband was attracted to another woman but still straight, instead of having feelings for men. I think that she feels that If he’s gay, there is no way they can save their marriage unless they live a lie.

I feel like tonight's show should have been more eventful. I still wonder if there is something else going on regarding Mavis/Lady Mae/James/Grace. I have seen people speculate that Mavis could be Grace's mother and I wonder if there is more behind their relationship than what we are being told so far. Lady Mae has such disdain for Grace and Mavis acts like more like a mother to her. What Lady Mae said to Grace at the end was cold and is not something a loving mother would say to their child. I wonder if the show will dig deeper into why Lady Mae dislikes Grace so much. 

I wonder why Grace was acting so distant from her grandfather. She never referred to him as grandfather or seemed to care all that much that he was dying. I wonder she didn't act more loving/caring towards him. I also wonder why Lady Mae doesn't want him around and if Grace feels like her mother is justified in treating her grandfather the way that she does. You would think that Grace would be more compassionate towards her grandfather. As far as we know right now he hasn't been revealed to be as bad as Mac is. But I wonder why the family doesn't care more about him.

Lady Mae really does seem like the type of person that has bad relationships with almost everyone in her life (Grace, Mavis, Her dad). In a way it's surprising that her and the Bishop's relationship is loving as it is, given her personality. But that seems to be one relationship of hers that is mostly solid.

I think Charity is making a major mistake.  She should go with her first instinct when Kevin came to her with the pray the gay away program -- he cannot change his sexual orientation.  If she stays with him, she will be setting herself up for a tremendous world of hurt.

I agree that information is missing from the interaction between the sisters. James and Mavis' very clear fondness for each other speaks volumes and Mavis' super close relationship with Grace does indeed lead one to speculate. I am leaning toward Mae being Grace's biological mother based on her comments to Mavis about motherhood; what she said seems risky if she knew Mavis could throw Grace's maternity in her face.  However, if it is revealed that Mavis is Grace's biological mother, the venom Mae feels towards her becomes more understandable (not saying acceptable).  Imagine agreeing to or being forced to raise your husband's child by another woman and watch your husband clearly prefer said child over your children.  How does that make you feel towards your husband, the child, your place in his life; I mean does he prefer this child because secretly he prefers the other woman?  Now imagine that woman is your own sister.  Under what circumstances did your husband and sister decide it was perfectly acceptable to betray you and then expect you to bury your feelings and raise the product of their betrayal as your child?  Would the situation be worse if you and you sister were once close, or if you had been at odds for your entire lives?

I get why most people hate Lady Mae, and believe me, she is not someone I am fond of, but I felt for her in that scene with her father.  The way he treated her, the names he called her.  How would that impact a child, because it appears to me that this has been the nature of their relationship for long enough that the children know who he is, but don't relate to him as a grandparent, or an adult who was present in their lives.  Given that Mavis also has no relationship with him, the only thing the sisters seem to agree upon, tells me that this man was a monster in their lives.  I remember thinking that he probably molested Mae, he just seems to be the type.  His comments about Mack and his nonchalant reaction to why he is incarcerated speaks volumes to me.  I guess I'm saying that there has to be a reason James seems to love Mae so much.  I think a lot of things have contributed to making Mae the monster that we currently see.

I'm on the not feeling Noah train.

Reverend Light and Wavy is clearly a viper in the midst.  No wonder his name is Skanks.

I'm still wondering what the deal is with Jacob's side piece and her fascination with black churches?  

[Neurochick]

22 hours ago, FairyPrincess said:

I'm thinking James set/set up the fire as well.  I'm thinking that the incident/church/caretaker has some connection with Skanks.  Maybe his family's previous church or the caretaker was his family member.  The beef between Bishop and Skanks seems deep rooted.

I was confused at that.  Mac's dad said that the caretaker was downstairs, "but that's not when I took off."  I don't understand.

I find that the women are too passive in this show.  Look, if I found out that my brother molested my daughter, that would be the last thing he ever would have done in this life.  He'd be six feet under, behind the house.  "Oh, Mac went on one of his fishing trips and never came back."  It wouldn't be hard to do in an area like that.

Sophie annoyed me.  If you don't want to go with your father, tell him, "I Don't Want To Go With You."  What can he do, get the police to handcuff you and make you leave?  If I were Ray, I would have felt ashamed, he a white man, taking his daughter away from black people.  I know people like to be PC and use the word "biracial" but let's face it, very few people refer to our president as "biracial."  Most people look at him and see "black."  That was true forty years ago and it's true today, no matter what anybody wants to believe.  I found Ray to be so typical of an alcoholic, King Baby, "I want what I want when I want it."  

I have a feeling that Mac might have molested Mae, which was why Mavis kept saying to her, "you knew!"  

2 hours ago, Happytobehere said:

Reverend Light and Wavy is clearly a viper in the midst.  No wonder his name is Skanks.

And he's short too.

2 hours ago, Happytobehere said:

I'm still wondering what the deal is with Jacob's side piece and her fascination with black churches?  

I don't understand this.  

[Arcadiasw]

5 hours ago, Happytobehere said:

 

Reverend Light and Wavy is clearly a viper in the midst.  No wonder his name is Skanks.

 

Reverend Light and Wavy! Lol. I like that. If there is a separate section for specific characters that should be the title for his name.

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I'm still wondering what the deal is with Jacob's side piece and her fascination with black churches?  

Maybe Alexa's role models are the Kardashians.

[bichonblitz]

WTH? How did Uncle Molester get out of jail? One minute he's begging for help behind the glass, next minute he has a police escort to his sisters house and he walks right in like he owns the place! He must have some really good life destroying shit on the family.  I can't wait to find out what it is. 

[wanderingstar]

Re Pastor Skanks, I am partial to the moniker Pastor Jidenna, used by another poster here. But Rev. Light and Wavy makes me chuckle too.

Edited September 2, 2016 by Gillian Rosh

[Negritude]

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2016 at 0:08 PM, Dee said:

It's the same situation with Jacob's relationship to Kerissa. She drags him to therapy for the better half of the season where he barely speaks, yet after a brief interaction with a couple of swingers, they're suddenly on the road to reconciliation?

Right?! They were like we don't have enough time and there are too many damn story lines going on in this mug, so we gotta wrap this up lol. I do think maybe some of his issue was that she was a bit of a cold fish and after the swinger husband was eyeballin' her down, it reminded him of what he really had. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't happy to handsome a$$ Lamman Rucker come back home to his black wife after cheating with his white mistress, however rushed the storyline. I know that's not politically correct, but that's how I feel...

[announcergirl]

On August 16, 2016 at 8:33 AM, MulletorHater said:

 

Could not get rid of the box.

 

Anywho, had someone talked about this: I am sickened that Isabel gave her body to Noah. We, as women, sometimes feel that sex creates a bond - only for us. Not for men. What Isabel is competing with she can't win with just sex - memories. 

[Easyspreestep]

On 9/2/2016 at 11:44 AM, Neurochick said:

I was confused at that.  Mac's dad said that the caretaker was downstairs, "but that's not when I took off."  I don't understand.

I find that the women are too passive in this show.  Look, if I found out that my brother molested my daughter, that would be the last thing he ever would have done in this life.  He'd be six feet under, behind the house.  "Oh, Mac went on one of his fishing trips and never came back."  It wouldn't be hard to do in an area like that.

Sophie annoyed me.  If you don't want to go with your father, tell him, "I Don't Want To Go With You."  What can he do, get the police to handcuff you and make you leave?  If I were Ray, I would have felt ashamed, he a white man, taking his daughter away from black people.  I know people like to be PC and use the word "biracial" but let's face it, very few people refer to our president as "biracial."  Most people look at him and see "black."  That was true forty years ago and it's true today, no matter what anybody wants to believe.  I found Ray to be so typical of an alcoholic, King Baby, "I want what I want when I want it."  

I have a feeling that Mac might have molested Mae, which was why Mavis kept saying to her, "you knew!"  

And he's short too.

I don't understand this.  

This is unfair to her father, I'm not sure why he should not spend time with her because he is white.  Her father is not taking her for life it's for the summer.  Her father allowed her mother to be the primary care provider most of her life with little to no interruption until her mother put her in harms way.  Why isn't he allowed to step up at that point and do what's best for his child.  Sophie wants to stay with her mother but lets be honest, in the time that she has come to town, she has done drugs, two people have been shot in the church and her mother put her in direct proximity to a child molester, who preyed on young girls around her age group.  This environment is no better for her than spending time with her father, which she should have been doing all her life.  There is a custody agreement in place Grace broke it, as an adult you have to think of the consequences when you make decisions, Grace didn't.  Sophie is not being punished by having to spend the summer with her father, and who knows maybe she will like it.  Just because Sophie is black does not mean she should not get to know her white father and white family, or he should not fight for the well being and safety of his child.  

[Neurochick]

2 hours ago, Easyspreestep said:

This is unfair to her father, I'm not sure why he should not spend time with her because he is white.  Her father is not taking her for life it's for the summer.  Her father allowed her mother to be the primary care provider most of her life with little to no interruption until her mother put her in harms way.  Why isn't he allowed to step up at that point and do what's best for his child.  Sophie wants to stay with her mother but lets be honest, in the time that she has come to town, she has done drugs, two people have been shot in the church and her mother put her in direct proximity to a child molester, who preyed on young girls around her age group.  This environment is no better for her than spending time with her father, which she should have been doing all her life.  There is a custody agreement in place Grace broke it, as an adult you have to think of the consequences when you make decisions, Grace didn't.  Sophie is not being punished by having to spend the summer with her father, and who knows maybe she will like it.  Just because Sophie is black does not mean she should not get to know her white father and white family, or he should not fight for the well being and safety of his child.  

This doesn't make any sense to me.  Ray wasn't married to Grace, because he cheated on her with his ex girlfriend.  When he found out Grace was pregnant, THEN he wanted to marry her, she agreed to the custody agreement so he'd stop bothering her.  Ray is lucky Grace did that at all.  I mean once a cheater, always a cheater.

And sorry, but nine times out of ten Sophia's "white family" probably won't really accept her.  I mean they'll tolerate her, but, accept, not really, not in every case, but in most cases.  I mean you only have to see what's going on in this country today to see that. 

[Easyspreestep]

24 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

This doesn't make any sense to me.  Ray wasn't married to Grace, because he cheated on her with his ex girlfriend.  When he found out Grace was pregnant, THEN he wanted to marry her, she agreed to the custody agreement so he'd stop bothering her.  Ray is lucky Grace did that at all.  I mean once a cheater, always a cheater.

And sorry, but nine times out of ten Sophia's "white family" probably won't really accept her.  I mean they'll tolerate her, but, accept, not really, not in every case, but in most cases.  I mean you only have to see what's going on in this country today to see that. 

In this case Sophia's white dad wants to be apart of her life, so the other cases don't count.  Regardless of Ray's cheating that has nothing to do with the best interest of the child.  The important thing is the child.  I'm not going to say Ray should have no say so in Sophia's life because he cheated on her mom, before she was born or thought of.  All that aside Grace broke the arrangement and never bothered to even call Ray to discuss it, so there is her down fall in all of this.  

[Dee]

A lot of this would be easier to accept if the show had established that there were reasons for Grace remaining in Memphis.

Her family remains surprisingly sturdy (and distant) in the aftermath of Mac's arrest, and contrary to James emotional blackmail she can preach anywhere,  so it isn't as if there is anything genuinely tethering Gigi to a place she views as inherently evil.

And James is strong enough to maintain the family ministry so Gigi has no excuse for not returning to Phoenix to tend to her own messy personal life.

[jhlipton]

I'm very late to the party (no cable for few months).

I found the last episodes stupid and depressing and I doubt I'll be back for Season 2.

If Ray is a cheater, so is Grace, for having sex with Noah when he was engaged to Isabel.  And as others have mentioned we got a couple of scenes with Ray and Sophia all father/daughter sentimental, so it doesn't make sense that she would hate going with him, nor that he would force her to.

Speaking of Isabel, I'm supposed to believe that a woman who believed with all her heart on waiting to get married before sex would allow Noah to f**k her.  He didn't make love to her -- no kisses, no caresses, just off with the panties, a token bit of business, and then wham-b am not even taking her to the bed.  Just because he brought her flowers.  No.

I don't buy Mac's instant turn-around either.  It just reeks of PLOT!

I really don't care much for any of these people.

[Raja]

It got to be too much slogging through the exponentially growing number of 1 minute promos to get to the first episode because of the alphabetical listing on the on demand menu. 

[jhlipton]

That sucks.

[Dee]

‘Greenleaf’: GregAlan Williams & Lovie Simone Upped To Regulars On OWN Drama

[Happytobehere]

I wanted GregAlan's storyline to be winding down, not given more time.  I hate this storyline and this character. Not thrilled.

[Dee]

From this season's post-mortem interviews with GregAlan and the show's writers, a large part of Season 2 is supposed to focus on the origins of the church and the reasons why Mac is so untouchable.

And with Lovie Simone also being upped to regular status too, I'm sticking with my prediction of a 'Who Shot Mac' murder mystery with Zora as the culprit.

[Dee]

‘Greenleaf: Jason Dirden Returns For Season 2; Sean Dominic & Roshon Fegan Also Join Cast

[Dee]

'Greenleaf' Season 2 Trailer: Oprah's Back

[wanderingstar]

Looks like the show is back March 15.

[riverheightsnancy]

I just started wondering when this would be back. Definitely looking forward to it. 

[wanderingstar]

An Extended Look at Season 2

[Arcadiasw]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 9:47 PM, jhlipton said:

If Ray is a cheater, so is Grace, for having sex with Noah when he was engaged to Isabel.  And as others have mentioned we got a couple of scenes with Ray and Sophia all father/daughter sentimental, so it doesn't make sense that she would hate going with him, nor that he would force her to.

Speaking of Isabel, I'm supposed to believe that a woman who believed with all her heart on waiting to get married before sex would allow Noah to f**k her.  He didn't make love to her -- no kisses, no caresses, just off with the panties, a token bit of business, and then wham-b am not even taking her to the bed.  Just because he brought her flowers.  No.

 

I thought they already were sleeping together. Didn't Isabel mentioned getting her things at his place before they got married?

[Arcadiasw]

Congrats to all who called it about Bishop and Pastor Skanks.

Not surprised Mac saying he got dirt on everyone in town and may never get convicted of anything. Someone may have to go the JR route to get any revenge on him.

I felt so sick for Lady Mae in the hospital with her perverted father. Disgusting. I assumed Mavis knew or at least suspected what their father did to Lady Mae but now I'm not sure. I really hope we get more on James/Mavis/Lady Mae past. There's a lot there.

Poor Charity losing one of her babies. I have to agree with Kevin on how she should've taken it easily until the baby's birth.

So all that buildup in the last episodes and nothing was mentioned of Sophie's Dad?

Edited March 16, 2017 by Arcadiasw

[riverheightsnancy]

Man, I missed it and it is not OnDemand. I will have to set a season pass and catch a re-run. 

[TVForever]

Were we given any hint of the true nature of Lady Mae's past with her father? That creepy scene in the hospital spoke volumes, but I can't remember anything like this mentioned previously. Also, I get the sense that Mavis isn't fully aware of their father's sexual(?)  abuse of Lady Mae because she's wrapped in the physical/emotional abuse she was suffering at the same time. All she can register is that Mae got pretty dresses and special trips with Daddy while she was beaten and made to sleep in a shed. If the sisters can sit down and speak rationally, the full picture might become clear to Mavis.

[Dee]

Pastor Jidenna wasn't playing!

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, TVForever said:

Were we given any hint of the true nature of Lady Mae's past with her father? That creepy scene in the hospital spoke volumes, but I can't remember anything like this mentioned previously. Also, I get the sense that Mavis isn't fully aware of their father's sexual(?)  abuse of Lady Mae because she's wrapped in the physical/emotional abuse she was suffering at the same time. All she can register is that Mae got pretty dresses and special trips with Daddy while she was beaten and made to sleep in a shed. If the sisters can sit down and speak rationally, the full picture might become clear to Mavis.

Yes that's what I thought too. I also wonder if Mavis felt her abuse was due to colorism, and/or being a step child (are they full siblings?) Given Lady Mae's reaction to her father I thought there was a history of sexual abuse going on there but it hasn't been confirmed. 

Its so sad the youngest girl lost one of her babies. But she and her husband need to address what's going to happen in their relationship. Will they stay married but have separate private lives? Will they coparent and stay friends? Yes she just gave birth so I'm giving her a pass (she has got tons on her plate) but you can't ignore the elephant in the room. 

[atiyah9369]

3 hours ago, riverheightsnancy said:

Man, I missed it and it is not OnDemand. I will have to set a season pass and catch a re-run. 

Check the Own channel online I just watched it about 30 minutes ago.

[AyeshaTheGreat]

3 hours ago, TVForever said:

Were we given any hint of the true nature of Lady Mae's past with her father? That creepy scene in the hospital spoke volumes, but I can't remember anything like this mentioned previously. Also, I get the sense that Mavis isn't fully aware of their father's sexual(?)  abuse of Lady Mae because she's wrapped in the physical/emotional abuse she was suffering at the same time. All she can register is that Mae got pretty dresses and special trips with Daddy while she was beaten and made to sleep in a shed. If the sisters can sit down and speak rationally, the full picture might become clear to Mavis.

I am not sure we were given hints. I think we were just told that neither daughter cared to see their father before he died.  It is interesting that both were abused by him but Mavis only knows about the abuse she received.  Mae really did figure out how to suppress her issues.  

Sad that Charity lost the one twin (though for show budget reasons, I can see why).  Her storyline with her "confused" husband and music ministry co-workers should be interesting.  Also, nice to see Kyle again. I don't remember the last time I saw T.C. Carson in something.

Pastor Jidenna Skanks being the son of the man who died in the fire by Bishop seems about right.  But we shall see how far he gets trying to use Jacob against his father.  Creating another "megachurch" in the same town seems to be overreaching.  But then it seems like he is trying to get the Calvary congregation instead of generally expanding the Triumph congregation.  And I won't give my real life thoughts on Kirk Franklin.

Lastly, Grace is exhausting but since Mac is out, I don't see her stopping any time soon.  I wonder if we will see Noah hanging around her again.  I would wonder about how Grace gets up there and preaches when I am not sure if she truly believes in the work of the church but this isn't my first time at this rodeo, so do you GiGi.  

Overall, I am in for season 2.  Though I am late to join this show and the Wednesday 10 pm slot is already crowded, I enjoy this show and I really like the cast.

[riverheightsnancy]

21 minutes ago, atiyah9369 said:

Check the Own channel online I just watched it about 30 minutes ago.

Thanks. I will check it out! I cannot believe that I missed it! This is appointment TV for me (Queen Sugar as well). 

[bichonblitz]

9 hours ago, riverheightsnancy said:

Man, I missed it and it is not OnDemand. I will have to set a season pass and catch a re-run

It will be OnDemand, just give it a couple of days. 

When did Mavis become an alcoholic mess? Last season she was strong and smart, now she's a blithering drunk? I know she lost the bar but come on, straighten yourself up, Mavis, and get back to your awesome self. 

Lynn Whitfield is a great actress. I totally hate Lady Mae.  

[Joimiaroxeu]

Greenleaf meets Empire? They spent a lot of time on the in-show concert and even had their own version of Jamal.

Heh, I don't think Oprah does a convincing drunk. Maybe she'll do better as a hopped up Oxy addict. Do people really take those pills by the handful like so many Tic-Tacs?

Looks like they spent more money on extras, at least for the premiere. The choir seemed nearly full for a change.

They've set up several interesting plot lines so it should be a quite a season.

[MulletorHater]

Lawd have mercy!  So much to digest!

What in the ever loving effity-eff did we just witness between Mae and her daddy?  It was like a bad train wreck; you want to look away because you can't believe it, but you can't quite do it.  Now, I understand the deep-seated hatred she has for him.  I honestly thought she was going to smother him with a pillow.  I remember him blurting that she was a "high-yella whore" and wasn't even his anyway.  Sick.  I also suspect that Mavis' abuse was due to colorism and being considered the "ugly" daughter.  The turn her character took is a quite jarring considering that there were no hints of a drinking problem other than her bitterness toward that church and what it did to the family.  That's why she finds it hard to believe that Mae didn't know about Mac abusing Faith.

Good look for those who peeped Pastor Light 'n Wavy's card early on.  I think Kerissa is also going to peep his card long before Jacob does since she's the smarter of the two.  Question for me is, will they consider the money and fame worth it?  I'm upset that Charity lost one of the twins and I wonder if she will stay in her marriage.  Like AyeshatheGreat, I'll also hold my peace about Kirk Franklin, which I managed to do when my husband burst out laughing and said, "There goes your boy!"

I had to laugh out loud when Grace was trying to pump up the congregation to reach deep into their pockets and give the kind of money that folds instead of jingles.  The collection plates were just passed along with hardly anybody opening their purses.  She was right to expose Mac as a sexual predator, but the cost is enormous.  I had to wonder if a small part of her has any regrets.  Someone should have popped Mac a long time ago; the list of suspects will be quite long.

There are so many biblical themes to this show, including the return of the prodigal daughter; parents favoring one child over the other to everyone's detriment; the devil offering riches and power in exchange for being loyal to him at his kingdom/church.

I'm looking forward to this season.

[Arcadiasw]

14 minutes ago, MulletorHater said:

  Sick.  I also suspect that Mavis' abuse was due to colorism and being considered the "ugly" daughter.  The turn her character took is a quite jarring considering that there were no hints of a drinking problem other than her bitterness toward that church and what it did to the family.  That's why she finds it hard to believe that Mae didn't know about Mac abusing Faith.

I had to laugh out loud when Grace was trying to pump up the congregation to reach deep into their pockets and give the kind of money that folds instead of jingles.  The collection plates were just passed along with hardly anybody opening their purses.  She was right to expose Mac as a sexual predator, but the cost is enormous.  I had to wonder if a small part of her has any regrets.  Someone should have popped Mac a long time ago; the list of suspects will be quite long.

 

Oprah was on Steve Harvey's radio show this week. She mentioned requesting more for Mavis. 

When Grace  talked to one of the senior members about the lack of donations, the church was more disturbed about the choir director and his husband and Charity being at their wedding than Mac.

[Dee]

I love how this show just hand waved all their complicated and/or dead end stories.

Noah & Isabel? Gone. Kerissa & Jacob's marital issues? Gone. Zora's behavioral problems. Gone. Charity's career ambitions? Gone. Sophia's custody situation & Ray's whereabouts? Gone. The circumstances surrounding Faith's death? Gone. Jacob & Charity's issues with Grace? Gone. Kevin's 'Pray Away The Gay' camp? Gone. Charity's medical issues? Gone. 

Well, to be fair, the last two were dealt with but in the most matter of fact way possible.

It's like the writers took inventory of the show, ditched their existing story projections and started totally over from scratch.

[bichonblitz]

Did anybody else catch the conversation between Mavis and the Bishop when he was driving her home? He told her he would walk her to her door and she said ummmmm.... no that's not a good idea (paraphrasing here) and then he said he was just trying to be nice.  I wonder if hey had an affair at one time because other wise that convo made no sense. 

[Dee]

The show has implied James & Mavis had a history last season so I wouldn't be surprised if they had an affair previous to him becoming a pastor.

And, given Greenleaf is a soap, I wouldn't put it past the show to have a James/Mavis produced long lost lovechild turn up at some point.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Dee

[riverheightsnancy]

I think that Oprah is improving as an actress, but sometimes, when she lays on the southern-type accent, it really sounds like a put on. And I say this as someone who really enjoys and respects her. Her new movie looks awesome though (I forget the name-about the woman with cancer and she is the daughter). Her acting appears to be improving. She was stellar in The Color Purple, so it is obviously in there. I was not surprised by Lady Mae's reaction to her father. That whole "be sweet" is code. That is also used in cultish polygamy groups to their women (basically, be sweet-shut-up and do as I say and it won't be so bad for you). I actually teach infant development, but even I don't know this answer. If a woman loses one of a set of twins, wouldn't she automatically be on bed-rest for the duration to minimize any issue for the remaining twin? Generally, a woman goes into labor and both babies will be delivered. The body doesn't decide to have one and wait for the other. If not, they wait and delivery both at the same time when the surviving twin is mature enough (usually 37 weeks), although one will be stillborn. Depending on the age of development, they may even have a funeral for one of the twins. It is like they just brushed that fact under the rug. She was set to have twins, there is normally some grieving associated with the loss of a twin. 

[Happytobehere]

I thought based on the comments made that James was dating Mavis and ditched her for the perhaps more surface respectability of Lady Mae.  People speculated last season that Gigi was actually the product of that relationship, but given Lady Mae's contempt for Gigi, I think she would have mentioned it at some point with the blaming Gigi for everything that is wrong with her life.  I too wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there is a love child that will pop up at some point during the show.  

As much as I dislike, or the least don't always care for Lady Mae, I never thought she knew about Mack molesting Faith.  Nothing in her demeanor or actions last season, or in this episode lead to me think that the thoughts and feelings she presented were anything other than honest.  What I did think last season was that Mack definitely knew about the father molesting Lady Mae, it was in the subtle, nasty comments he would make about Mae's relationship with the father.

Given the issues of colorism that seem to be at play in how Mavis feels and the way she was treated, I find it  interesting that she has a super close relationship with Gigi and doesn't appear to have much of a relationship with the lesser favored, dark-skinned, Charity; which could give credence to the Gigi is her daughter speculation.  It would also lend a deeper level to Lady Mae's dislike for Gigi, if she is the product of James' relationship with Mavis. I actually would like to see the issue of colorism addressed because it is real and continues to damage black people.

Mack needs to get what is coming to him.  He is absolutely vile.

[Cleo Layne]

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Edited March 23, 2017 by Cleo Layne
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[Dee]

Oprah shot down that particular angle over the hiatus.

[After7Only]

On 3/17/2017 at 2:23 PM, Dee said:

The show has implied James & Mavis had a history last season so I wouldn't be surprised if they had an affair previous to him becoming a pastor.

And, given Greenleaf is a soap, I wouldn't put it past the show to have a James/Mavis produced long lost lovechild turn up at some point.

When Mavis busted in drunk to the Greenleaf's gathering, didn't she basically say that Lady Mae was jealous that Bishop preferred her?  

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Rick Fox Discusses His Transition Into Acting and New Role in Greenleaf

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Shallow observation: I'm going to assume that nightgown Lady Mae was wearing at the top of the show had some special construction in it, like maybe  an underwire bra. Her boobs were awfully perky for a woman in her early 60s.

Rick Fox is still looking yummy.

Pastor Skanks having Jacob do neighborhood recruiting for the new church was surely setting him up for extra humiliation when Jacob eventually learns the truth. Almost want to feel sorry for Jacob but no, not yet for me. Because sex in a church with your mistress is not holy at all.

Lady Mae referred to Charity and Kevin's marital problems as a "loose jello kind of thing." What does that mean? Google gives an obscure refence to the Muppets.

Quite a comedown in living standards for Jacob and Kerissa. Kerissa is definitely a ride or die wife. She'll probably enjoy being the "lady" of her own church, assuming things even make it that far before the ugly truth comes out.

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Does anybody know who the actor is portraying the guitar player that Mavis is representing? Seems like he may also be her boyfriend? Thanks.

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On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 7:23 AM, Syndicate said:

I'm still really enjoying this show. It kinda feels old-fashioned soapy to me. There's nothing really campy about it a la THATHN. Just stories about family drama/business dynamics slowly building to an eventual climax. I'm already wondering what the season finale will look like.

Umm...what is "THATHN?"

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Mavis boyfriend is played by Aaron Spears, most famous for playing Mary Jane Paul's gay BFF Mark, on BET's Being Mary Jane.

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Just now, Dee said:

Mavis boyfriend is played by Aaron Spears, most famous for playing Mary Jane Paul's gay BFF Mark, on BET's Being Mary Jane.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!