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9 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Oh Jinger, do share your tidbits of wisdom on singleness. You got married at the ripe old age of 22. 🙄

 

This is what comes of being a media "star." You start imagining your advice on everything is so valuable that strangers should gather weekly in large groups to listen to it. 

Seriously. Unless you had really started to believe your own hype about the great wisdom you have to share, I don't think you could make this podcast and write these promotions in the way they're doing it. You'd be appalled and embarrassed by how ludicrous it is for you to claim you know enough about this stuff to give lectures worthy of a broad audience.....

And it's not just the one topic on which she/they claim special wisdom. It's topic after topic, week after week. In all these weeks they've only had one guest and I don't think they've ever said that they were interested in a question so they've been studying up on it and are reporting what they've found the way most of the podcasts I've ever listened to do.  It's all "wisdom" out  of their own heads. I was a little encouraged last week when they brought a guest on. But I suppose that required too much effort to arrange, so now they're back to their usual lazy ways. 

Jeremy and every single Duggar are already arrogant enough about their ability to give advice on everything under the sun. This weekly my-blatherings-are-gold ritual seems likely to make it worse. It's not doing anything to cure Jer of his pompous and ponderous tone, either. 

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Oh, yeah, I remember how Josh and Anna used to be shown at Fundie weddings, pontificating to the newly married couple about how to have a happy Christian marriage, when they’d only been married a couple of months themselves. 
 

It must be killing Josh and Anna that they’ve been sidelined by Josh’s actions and can’t milk their TV fame like the rest of the family. 

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I actually thought Jinger would be the one that "breaks free", with all that moving so far away. But like it is said, Jeremy is  Jim Bob v 2.0 and that's not going to happen

Now I think that the happiest with their lives are Jill and Joy. 

Jeremy is controlling, but I would rather live with him than Derek. Derek is a bitter shit-stirring bigoted asshole with a victim complex. He's in a pissing contest with Jim Bob that he's not going to win, because Jim Bob is ignoring him and not even playing. Jeremy was at least smart enough to just find another opportunity and move away. Jeremy handles the Duggars far better than Derek, and Jill does not look all that happy to me.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Snow Fairy said:

I think that Jill has  more freedom than Jinger, that is what I was saying.

She cuts her hair, wears pants, has more relaxed life. Jinger's life is so staged and so weird, like they do not live in the real world, only in those fake instagram photos

I think both Jill and Jinger are lead by their headships.  Jill may appear to be more independent but she is merely being lead by Derick in a different direction than she was raised.  However, it follows what Derick grew up with - he went to school and his mother has short hair and wears pants, for example.  Jill is not breaking free from her leader.

Jinger is breaking free from her raising only so far as getting a more stylish city life, one that she had expressed an interest in.  Jeremy is in control and it appears that she is having the life she dreamed of.  Of course, as widely discussed, it doesn't look like their lifestyle is sustainable.  Whether Jinger understands any of this is anybody's guess.  It's unclear whether Jeremy gets it.

Ironically, it appears that Jessa is more in charge of her own life than Jill and Jinger.  it's just that she is choosing to stay much as she was raised.

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52 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Jeremy to woefully underpaid photographer just trying to make a couple of bucks to pay his rent: "Make sure you take this photo from my good side this time - not that travesty you took from before I got my hair coiffed and fluffed - you know the one, where you said the angle of my jawline reminded you of a young Tom Cruise but actually ended up showcasing my ever so slightly receding hairline?  NOT LIKE THAT."

Jeremy to Jinger:  "Okay - Jing,  you sit there.  Swipe on that $50 Dolce & Gabbana lipstick....wait, hang on - let me arrange your newly blond hair to get that curl just right.........there we go.  Now DON'T TOUCH YOUR HAIR.  Open your Bible and place that sheet of paper atop it - good, it looks like our talking points for this week's podcast - no one has to know it's really a credit card application we got in the mail.  Place your hand gingerly (yes, I know that's your name, please stop giggling before you mess up your lipstick) atop the page as if you are going to refer to it at any moment.  I am going to place my $450 Montblanc just so on my own Bible, to make it appear as if I set it down after making a careful and brilliant note in the margin.  Good, good.  Now I am going to open my mouth and stare meaningfully into your eyes, while you gaze at me in utter adoration as if I've just made a profoundly brilliant statement about life, marriage, the universe, pocket squares...all the things I know so well.  Here we go....take #117....freeze.......SNAP!  PRINT THAT!"

Oh, good grief, I just looked at the photo on a big screen. I fear you're 100 percent right, including the credit-card application that came in the junk mail! 

 

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13 hours ago, Nysha said:

A lot of the pictures of Felicity are poised and shot by someone besides Jer & Jing. 

For the first 15 years of my life, my parents had professional family photographs taken annually.  We all had school photos taken professionally.  Wedding photos, christening photos, graduation photos, reunion photos, etc. 

I missed the point in time when posed photos became "wrong".  

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1 hour ago, leighdear said:

For the first 15 years of my life, my parents had professional family photographs taken annually.  We all had school photos taken professionally.  Wedding photos, christening photos, graduation photos, reunion photos, etc. 

I missed the point in time when posed photos became "wrong".  

But did you share those with millions of complete strangers?

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I think Jinger also wants the image Jeremy wants and is grateful for his 'help'. She always came in second to "pretty one" Jessa, and with Jeremy's influence that's no longer true. I think Jill doesn't have a clue what she wants and Derick doesn't care, so Jill looks to fellow parishioners to see what is "okay" and uses them as a boundary. I think Jessa does rule the roost, but she is still a scared-of-the-world Fundy so she never pushes beyond Ben's Christian boundaries. Jessa also wants to be a TLC family for life.

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2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I think Jinger also wants the image Jeremy wants and is grateful for his 'help'. She always came in second to "pretty one" Jessa, and with Jeremy's influence that's no longer true. I think Jill doesn't have a clue what she wants and Derick doesn't care, so Jill looks to fellow parishioners to see what is "okay" and uses them as a boundary. I think Jessa does rule the roost, but she is still a scared-of-the-world Fundy so she never pushes beyond Ben's Christian boundaries. Jessa also wants to be a TLC family for life.

I agree. I also think all the Duggar matches appear to be compatible except Siah and Lauren.

Jinger doesn't have to worry her little head about anything, since Jeremy not only tells her how to walk, talk, think, and breath, but I doubt he shares any financial/business details with her. She wasn't raised to think or question and nothing about her married life has changed that.

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5 hours ago, leighdear said:

For the first 15 years of my life, my parents had professional family photographs taken annually.  We all had school photos taken professionally.  Wedding photos, christening photos, graduation photos, reunion photos, etc. 

I missed the point in time when posed photos became "wrong".  

For the first 15 years of my life, I had 6 pictures taken of me total. 

But these "candid, everyday" pics that Jing and Mr Pocket Square post are not candid pics.  

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Is it all about headship though?

In the real world new partners adopt and adapt to many things when they get together. Some non-Catholics and non-Jews convert to Catholicism and Judaism prior to marrying their partner. Diets can change, exercise, career paths, etc.

The Duggar girls were raised by Michelle who has finessed the line between adoring wife and wife-in-charge. I don't think any of the Duggar girls are totally selfless and their mother certainly isn't. I think some of what we're seeing play out is typical adjustments to being married.

I think Jeremy is a wanna be, and I think he likes to impress himself and Jinger, but I don't see him as this intentionally controlling ass who dictates Jinger's every move and every thought. I also don't see Jinger as someone who would allow that.

I think all our thoughts and speculations have some ring of accuracy, but I don't believe any of the Duggar girls are total doormats, nor do I think the husbands are completely running the relationships.

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19 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Does this mean I like Derick now?  I'm very confused.

I think what's interesting about the married girls is that Jill and Joy seem to have found their natural grooves - Jill seems super comfortable with the laid-back boho-hippie vibe she's discovered and seems less afraid of trying new things, and Joy looks radiant being outside and working alongside Austin, letting Giddy play trucks in the mud, etc.  On the other end, I think that Jessa is doing what she thinks she is supposed to be doing - having babies and looking pretty but being basically unfulfilled because she can't see anything beyond that, and Jinger is basically Play-Doh, slowly being molded into the blonde, stylish, meek and adoring wife that Jeremy wants.

There is still plenty of reasons to dislike Derick. I think his feud with JB has hurt Jill. Moving away from her toxic parents is not a bad thing, but it should be her choice. And it must hurt to not be able to be as close to some of her siblings.

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Just now, Future Cat Lady said:

There is still plenty of reasons to dislike Derick. I think his feud with JB has hurt Jill. Moving away from her toxic parents is not a bad thing, but it should be her choice. And it must hurt to not be able to be as close to some of her siblings.

The fact that Derick is hateful and doesn't hesitate to get on his Christian high horse and spew it, doesn't make him the nicest dude around

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

The fact that Derick is hateful and doesn't hesitate to get on his Christian high horse and spew it, doesn't make him the nicest dude around

We have seen plenty of demonstration of Derick's mean streak.  I doubt that he has become a nicer, kinder man.  He is very busy right now and possibly less frustrated than at some points and the meanness may or may not be as prominent.  For all the creepiness of Jeremy, I don't remember seeing any indication that he is mean, so I don't find him as odious as Derick.

All the speculation about how independent Jill or Jinger is, is just that - speculation.  What we can see is that neither of them go beyond the parameters set by Derick and Jeremy.  Let's see either of them take a step beyond that.

 

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I do think Jeremy sees the Duggars as beneath him and he moved Jinger away to pursue his own ambitions. However, he will latch on to the Duggars as long as it profits him.

Derick is moving Jill away from her family because of his own personal feud with JB.

None of these guys are doing it for the personal well-being of their wives. They’re doing it for their own selfish reasons. Time will tell if it was the best for the girls or not.

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52 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I agree with most of the criticisms being made of both Derick and Jeremy. But I also think that all Duggarlings are better off being distanced from their parents (either by physicial or mental distance) even if they don't make the choice to be but are just carted off, whether by Jer's fame ambitions or Der's feuds or Austin's apparent independent streak......etc.

So I actually think the married ones are all ultimately better off for being in new situations, and especially new situations that really distance them from the TTH, whether or not they chose the distancing on their own. 

In my opinion, in the TTH they (especially the girls) have all been so accustomed to not having their voices really heard that over time they've basically stopped having voices that they assert at all, unless what they're asserting is exactly the same line that their parents and the Gothard gang have been asserting all through the Duggarlings' lives. 

For exhibit A, see: Seewald, Jessa Duggar.

She has this big reputation of being the strong, assertive woman among the Duggarlings, but as far as I can see every single thing she ever "asserts" is either a loud and lengthy actual defense of her parents or a paean to her perfect childhood or some other hymn to doing things the Duggar way......So, I ask you,  is that really a person "asserting her own voice and, by damn, she's been allowed to so the others could as well"? I very much doubt it.

Seems to me she either is just parroting what she's always heard and hasn't come any closer to feeling and asserting her own voice than any of the others did when they were at/near the TTH or she is asserting her own true voice but because by chance her voice actually is extremely similar to her parents' preferred voice there's no risk to her at all from asserting it (unlike the risk they all knew they'd incur if they'd asserting anything contrary to the JB/M line while in the TTH.) 

Given what I've seen, a lot of people living in controlling households -- especially women in patriarchal households -- just will not go away either physically or mentally -- unless somebody else takes the lead in it. And they're so accustomed to not rocking the boat by asserting their own voices in any way that they just never do it.....So I think we're asking too much if we think that, to become freer, a Duggarling would have had to step away by their own volition. 

I've known several people who never made a move on their own to leave a shut-your-mouth-somebody-else-is-in-total-control home situation and apparently squelched their own real voices pretty completely, but then left the situation because of a spouse (or some unavoidable circumstance) and, once they'd been pulled away, found their voices in ways you never would have expected them to do. 

So I'm totally in favor of all the Duggarlings being distanced from the TTH influence, no matter how it gets done, frankly. I think Jill probably does feel significant pain because of the rift with her family. But pain and real damage are often -- to me -- quite different things. I've felt quite a few pains in my life from things that turned out to be absolutely the best things that could have happened, and I feel as if I've seen this with other people, too. 

Similarly for any of them who may have married a really controlling person (don't know whether this description of really controlling fits Jer, Der, or Austin -- don't feel I've seen enough evidence -- they're all controlling, of course, even if it's mainly subconscious and not extreme on their parts, since they've been part of an entrenched, desperate-to-hold patriarchy from birth...). That's not a great thing, of course, but it does give them a new situation -- so they can begin to make comparisons and potentially gain more of a sense of who they are and what the world is like. You at least need points of comparison to begin to do this (and they're not readers -- so they have to get those points from real life). 

I just don't think there was/is any room at the TTH for a Duggarling's real voice to have any influence (especially the girls' voices, if they vary even a little from the party line). So even if leaving is painful, to me it's still the best thing that could possibly happen to any of them in the long run. I actually think Jessa's in the worst position because her husband has totally capitulated to Duggardom, so she has no impetus not to do that as well. To my eyes, she's the most likely of the married girls to be the trapped and stagnating one in the long run. 

 

This is true. And the only girls that have quietly and subtly spoke their own minds, throughout the TV show, were Jana and Jinger. Jill, with the many upsets, including her not-by-her-book pregnancies and her time doing mission work with Derick might have sparked some what up Jesus moments. And then there's the JB/Derick feud. All this has given her opportunities to make some independent decisions and life is still okay. Jessa is going by the old, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, frame of mind and will continue on doing Gothard/Fundy, with the hope of reaping the same benefits that her parents did.

Regardless of headships and independence, unfortunately for Jessa, I'm guessing Joy, Jinger and Jill will have less financial worries than her, in the future. And that kind of matters too.

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45 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I do think Jeremy sees the Duggars as beneath him and he moved Jinger away to pursue his own ambitions. However, he will latch on to the Duggars as long as it profits him.

Derick is moving Jill away from her family because of his own personal feud with JB.

None of these guys are doing it for the personal well-being of their wives. They’re doing it for their own selfish reasons. Time will tell if it was the best for the girls or not.

Oh, I completely agree that they aren't doing it for their wives' sake! .... 

It's just that my experience suggests that a lot of people -- and especially women in patriarchy -- tend to do better and, especially, only manage to develop their own sense of self and their own voices, when they experience a significant separation from their families of origin. And that that can hold regardless of how the separation comes about. 

Also agree that only time will tell for the Duggars! 

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What tf would Jinger know about singleness? She's never been alone in her life.

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12 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Oh FFS. Whose request might that be? I want actual names.

Jana? Lawson? 

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8 minutes ago, emma675 said:

What tf would Jinger know about singleness? She's never been alone in her life.

Crystal Ball Katie listened to it and played a part that answers this question. 

Jinger said all she wanted was to be a wife and mother. She regrets not pursuing any interests, including music, between the ages of 18-22. Then Jeremy butts in to ask what can you offer your children if you don't have any life experience. 

Ouch.

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5 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Holy shit.

But my next question to Jinger would be, what's stopping her from pursuing her interests now? 

I bet she'd answer that being a wife and mother is all-consuming. Her MIL pursued a Master's Degree in music, but I don't know if she was married at the time. No reason that Jinger couldn't take lessons.

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7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Holy shit.

But my next question to Jinger would be, what's stopping her from pursuing her interests now? 

Jeremy?

Would he allow her to take a class or a part time job?

He doesn't seem like a supportive guy. 

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He might allow the music because it could further his ambitions. Beyond that, what interests did Jinger ever have? She seemed pretty aimless.

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27 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Crystal Ball Katie listened to it and played a part that answers this question. 

Jinger said all she wanted was to be a wife and mother. She regrets not pursuing any interests, including music, between the ages of 18-22. Then Jeremy butts in to ask what can you offer your children if you don't have any life experience. 

Ouch.

Jesus Christ, I’d go straight for his balls.  It might help the ratings. 

 Just to defend jingle, she was never really allowed to develop interests, so it’s not like it was her choice. Wasn’t she into photography, too? 

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9 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

He might allow the music because it could further his ambitions. Beyond that, what interests did Jinger ever have? She seemed pretty aimless.

At one time she was supposed to be interested in photography. 

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I forgot about photography. She didn't mention it in the podcast. The last I heard of that, she took pictures for Jessa's pregnancy announcements.

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Just now, Liddy52 said:

At one time she was supposed to be interested in photography. 

 Seem to recall her taking wedding photos for a few different families, I’m just taking pictures in general, reading up o. It, and having a nice camera.  I remember several comments saying she could’ve turned that into some sort of acceptable business. Or at least gone to some sort of art school. 

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45 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Oh FFS. Whose request might that be? I want actual names.

And why would you ask that of a married couple,  neither of whom was single all that long? 

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I felt bad for Jinger saying she had regrets, because it's not like Boob would've allowed her to pursue interests in the first place. Jana is 30, ffs, and can't even get a part time job. 

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5 minutes ago, Liddy52 said:

And why would you ask that of a married couple,  neither of whom was single all that long? 

Well, JereME was 27 or 28 when he got married and had some real life experience. But Jinger? Nada. 

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3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Holy shit.

But my next question to Jinger would be, what's stopping her from pursuing her interests now? 

Ouch! Yeah, that's pretty horrible. I can totally identify with Jinger, though. I never wanted to be anything but a wife and mother either. Maybe that's because the only women/role models I had growing up were wives and mothers, or maybe it was just the way I was wired, I don't know. I also don't think that's a bad thing, and at the risk of drawing all sorts of wrath, I'll add that I don't know that it would be a bad thing if more women felt that it was a calling which didn't make them feel somehow inferior. I'm all for anyone following a true calling if that's what they feel driven to do, and I realize that in this day and age a one-income household is just not feasible for most households, but I still don't think that's the optimal situation for families. Just shoot me now.

I don't think it's too late for Jinger, if she really has outside passions, such as her photography, or whatever, but if it's just an interest rather than a passion, day-to-day life may just push it aside.

That's pretty much what happened to me. I always wanted to be a wife and mother, but also always spent all my free time, and most of the time that I should have been doing something else, in drawing and painting. I always really wanted to go to art school as well, but since my parents refused to fund an education in a trivial pursuit, I went to college, originally as a biology major, then, when the chemistry courses proved a bit beyond me, switched to a useless (for me) major in psychology. I worked for a few years as a pharmacy tech, which I enjoyed, but had no real interest in expanding on, and quit working after having my kids, never looking back. 

It was only after they were starting to leave the nest that I really realized that I had ended up more or less sapped of any education I'd gained, at least as far as anything that was useful for finding a job, and since we were still moving around every two years or so with the Navy, it was more comfortable to just maintain the status quo. I took an art class here and there, but mostly just realized that while I had some talent, I was woefully behind, and too set in the ways I'd devised myself - trying to re-learn stuff I'd been making do with was just too frustrating, and I just had too many addictions in online behavior (social media, podcasts, any number of stupid things) by that point, which had come to outweigh whatever passion for art I might once have had. I just didn't have the ambition to fight it, and I hate that it worked out this way, but I'm not sure where or at which point I might have changed it for myself.

Now, yeah, I know this is probably way too much about me, and, mods, please forgive me, but my point really does go back to Jinger...If she is, well, maybe not happy, per se, but content, and Jer is encouraging that, she may simply not have the capacity to realize that there might be more for her. My upbringing might have been pretty conservative and sheltered, but nothing as bad as what these cultish families practice, and if I somehow managed to still tie myself down to the extent I have (at 61, I doubt I'll really break much freer than I am now), then I can't really blame Jinger for whatever trajectory her life takes, even if it's not optimal.

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1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Crystal Ball Katie listened to it and played a part that answers this question. 

Jinger said all she wanted was to be a wife and mother. She regrets not pursuing any interests, including music, between the ages of 18-22. Then Jeremy butts in to ask what can you offer your children if you don't have any life experience. 

Ouch.

I'm confused (about several things here, actually...). But about this -- What was she doing between the ages of 18-22 when she wasn't pursuing any interests? Did she actually have that much child care and housework to do? .... Jana and Joy were on deck, too, weren't they? And Jessa for part of that time? Plus Mary? 

She wasn't studying anything, she didn't have any friends, she didn't have a part-time job, she sure as heck didn't have a boyfriend, she doesn't claim to be a reader, they don't seem to have watched a whole lot of video or tv during that time, so what was it?

Wash a few dishes, throw some disposable plates and cups in the trash, go for a short run and then sit with her jaw hanging slack the rest of the day? Huh? 

I'd really like to know what she was doing with her time. Her life must have been more of a hideous vacuum than I'd even imagined. I thought the girls must at least have done some music...and Jinger some photography....But to feel that she's done nothing -- from 18 to 22. Yeesh. That's depressing. ....And then of course there's that remark from Jeremy....Yikes. What a jerk. 

They get support from nowhere for anything, it seems. We know JB and M support nothing. And even the outside world -- whenever evidence comes up that Jana probably spends time doing her innocent drawings, she gets bashed and ridiculed for it because they're naive, as the Duggar women are....They really can't win anywhere....

You're only 26, Jingle. There's still time for your life to have lots of good stuff in it. 

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30 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Jesus Christ, I’d go straight for his balls.  It might help the ratings. 

 Just to defend jingle, she was never really allowed to develop interests, so it’s not like it was her choice. Wasn’t she into photography, too? 

This confirms my long held belief that the photography thing was solely about having something to do for TLC. Jinger is the original Lauren, except Lauren apparently went to an actual school for a while before flat out stating that she wasn't at all interested and preferred to just stay at home. Jinger had all this time and some resources to do something with her time other than go on missioncations. And I'm not going to put the blame completely on JB/M. No, they wouldn't have allowed Jinger to pursue any kind of legitimate education, but they would have allowed her to do something with her time. Jana and Jill were the workhorses of the family, yet Jill actually pursued bootleg midwifery. She put in the time and effort for that. And the fact that I'm saying anything remotely positive about Jill's midwifery "training" makes me hate Jinger more.

That podcast sounds life it could have been interesting if Jinger had made the leap and reflected on how her upbringing was arranged specifically to avoid her developing any interest or useful skills.

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