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There's always drama in the choir!  As a 24 year member of my choir, I can certainly attest to that. 

My favorite choir quote is "When you sing, you're only giving back the voice God gave to you--whether He wants it back or not". 

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13 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Here's what I don't get, though.

Why do mean and hateful social media posts make you a more mean and hateful person than mean and hateful sermons and being a premiere signer of mean and hateful public declarations? 

Especially when the mean and hateful posts and sermons are virtually identical?

Are you just saying that, since you haven't actually heard Jer's rants about Jazz and pastors-sympathetic-to-gay-people and Catholics and so on, that you currently have no basis for judgment?  

Or are you arguing that saying something mean and hateful in a public forum shows you're mean and hateful. But saying the exact same thing in a more private space -- like a church in which you're preaching to a crowd who probably agrees with you already -- shows less about who you are than more clearly public statements? 

My point is there are folks against terminating pregnancies. Some of these folks will shame and embarrass anyone who believes or does differently and there are others who believe the same however would never even think of hurting someone because of a belief or an action that differs from theirs. There are folks who are anti LGBTQ but would still make them a wedding cake without a second thought and as we all know there are folks who won't.

So yes, I believe spewing hate on SM is different than 'preaching to the choir'. I believe kind folks can have whacky beliefs. I also believe many folks who share my beliefs are straight up assholes. I guess I just have a hard time lumping everyone together and having the same intensity of negative or positive feelings toward them all. 

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16 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

My point is there are folks against terminating pregnancies. Some of these folks will shame and embarrass anyone who believes or does differently and there are others who believe the same however would never even think of hurting someone because of a belief or an action that differs from theirs. There are folks who are anti LGBTQ but would still make them a wedding cake without a second thought and as we all know there are folks who won't.

So yes, I believe spewing hate on SM is different than 'preaching to the choir'. I believe kind folks can have whacky beliefs. I also believe many folks who share my beliefs are straight up assholes. I guess I just have a hard time lumping everyone together and having the same intensity of negative or positive feelings toward them all. 

Quite true. Makes sense. ;  )

My response and interpretation are based on the way I interpret Jer's affect during the sermons. In the ones I've seen where he's railed against gay rights and Catholics and so on, he hasn't looked to me like a person who sorrowfully loved the sinner but just hated the sin or as if he were just stating a faith principle. Instead, he spoke with what sounded to me like true condemnation.

He got snarly and sarcastic and passionate in a way that he almost never was in the rest of the sermons where he was talking about other stuff, at least as far as I observed....Based on his fervent delivery of these things -- compared to his pretty sleepy delivery of most everything else -- I've gotten the strong impression that, just exactly as with Der, these are the things Jer cares about most. Although I certainly haven't watched everything!

So that's what I'm going on............

As you say, hard to know what he'd do if he were called upon to act on these things in real life. I'm not sure I know what Der would do, either.

Would either of these guys actually walk up to Jazz and her parents and say to their faces the very condemnatory things they've said in other venues? Would they walk up to a Catholic and call him or her out for embracing a "demonic" (Jer's word) faith? 

I kind of doubt that either would. .... Although I think cowardice more than kindness might be the likelier explanation for that, in both their cases......Although who knows?

I do think that all of these people are bigoted and mean in large part because they're big enough scaredy cats to keep themselves isolated from anybody who's different enough to make them nervous.  

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What is causing Jinger’s hair loss? Is it post partum hair loss, an eating disorder? It happened to Jessa too.

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Postpartum hair loss.  It’s a really shitty side effect of having a baby.  She needs to buy some Biotin to help out.  Works wonders!

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3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I do think that all of these people are bigoted and mean in large part because they're big enough scaredy cats to keep themselves isolated from anybody who's different enough to make them nervous.  

And that's right where they belong.

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35 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

Postpartum hair loss.  It’s a really shitty side effect of having a baby.  She needs to buy some Biotin to help out.  Works wonders!

It also could be a thyroid problem.  Mine whacked out after I delivered my first baby and hairloss was one of the signs.

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I lost my hair (and outer eyebrows) when I gained 50 pounds and had a migraine every day. You can't tell me that doesn't sound like thyroid! The hair loss came right before the weight gain, and I took biotin for it. Then, this random nurse told me that biotin had made her gain weight, so I got scared and quit taking it, since I'd gained maybe 10 pounds at that point. The weight gain didn't stop, though, so I don't think biotin was responsible, but I'm superstitious about it now. It DID help me regrow hair, however!

To get back on topic, Jessa was going through her postpartum hair loss when mine was falling out, and believe it or not, "commiserating" with Jessa was the one thing that made me feel better about that! I would often pause the tv and take pics of the screen when it showed a bald spot, and I'd look at the pictures in my darkest moments. I knew Jessa also cares about her appearance, so I knew she felt my pain. 

In a way, though, I feel like I got gypped! Basically, I had baby weight and hair loss, but didn't get the baby! Plus, I was jealous, because new mothers with a belly and thinning hair had a baby to hold over their stomach and ragged hair, whereas I did not. 😜

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56 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Jinger really should work on her posture. It’s atrocious!

Like mother, like daughter!  She may take after Michelle in the hunching over department. 

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Someone should introduce her to posture bras or a good waist trainer that’ll straighten her up.  She’s too young for that.  With the posture and all the hair, she looks like an oak tree in saturated ground; she’s ready to tip at any moment.   

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2 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Someone should introduce her to posture bras or a good waist trainer that’ll straighten her up.  She’s too young for that.  With the posture and all the hair, she looks like an oak tree in saturated ground; she’s ready to tip at any moment.   

She would also benefit from ballet, pilates, or yoga.  The ballet classes I took as a kid definitely helped me with my posture, but I had parents who did not deem dancing as sinful.  

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oh yeah, I wear a waist cincher sometimes, for purely vain reasons, and it always makes me sit and stand very straight. That and lindy hop has changed my posture forever. Jinger is just standing at a weird angle, making her lean. She needs something.

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15 hours ago, awaken said:

Like mother, like daughter!  She may take after Michelle in the hunching over department. 

I wonder if she ever was screened for Scoliosis, like they do for kids in public schools?

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17 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

I wonder if she ever was screened for Scoliosis, like they do for kids in public schools?

Good thought and I wondered that as well.   I slouched, still do, and was yelled at constantly in grade school to stand up straight!   As a young adult, it turned out that I have congentital scoliosis at the BASE of my spine and the slouching was a compensation for that weakness.  

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1 hour ago, allonsyalice said:

oh yeah, I wear a waist cincher sometimes, for purely vain reasons, and it always makes me sit and stand very straight. That and lindy hop has changed my posture forever. Jinger is just standing at a weird angle, making her lean. She needs something.

Jinger is significantly shorter than Jeremy, but I wonder if it her posture is some kind of subconscious effort to appear meek, petite and submissive?  You know, all the things Gothard teaches a desirable woman and wife should be.  In  this and other pictures, it’s like she doesn’t want to appear strong or confident which standing straight would convey. 

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3 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

I wonder if she ever was screened for Scoliosis, like they do for kids in public schools?

Do they still do that?  I thought I heard they stopped that.

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8 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Someone should introduce her to posture bras or a good waist trainer that’ll straighten her up.  She’s too young for that.  With the posture and all the hair, she looks like an oak tree in saturated ground; she’s ready to tip at any moment.   

I honestly doubt she is really eating well enough.

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1 hour ago, BigBingerBro said:

Do they still do that?  I thought I heard they stopped that.

I don’t know if schools still do, but I know the pediatricians my grandchildren have, do.

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12 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I don’t know if schools still do, but I know the pediatricians my grandchildren have, do.

The reason for these checks on school was because many kids did not have a pediatrician, or their parents didn’t take them to see him/her.

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If we see one of those click bait articles saying:

"Fans worry Jinger Duggar has this disease!!!"

you heard it from me on this board first. 😁

I swear their articles always sound like stuff we've all been discussing.

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1 hour ago, ChiCricket said:

If we see one of those click bait articles saying:

"Fans worry Jinger Duggar has this disease!!!"

you heard it from me on this board first. 😁

I swear their articles always sound like stuff we've all been discussing.

They should change the name of this Duggar board to "You Heard It Here First." 

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6 hours ago, fonfereksglen said:

Good thought and I wondered that as well.   I slouched, still do, and was yelled at constantly in grade school to stand up straight!   As a young adult, it turned out that I have congentital scoliosis at the BASE of my spine and the slouching was a compensation for that weakness.  

I've always wondered if I had scoliosis. I was screened in school and passed, but have slouched forever. I really wonder if my boobs have something to do with it (definitely not bragging...they are heavy!!!), or my height, since I always had to slouch in school desks. Also, my neck is really far forward, which is part of my migraine issue. 

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On 3/19/2019 at 4:56 PM, ginger90 said:

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The shirtdress is very fashion forward, but what’s up with the heavy black shoes? Add some tan support hose and she could be Michelle from the knees down. Or the Wicked Witch of the West, not that there’s really any difference between the two.

Felicity is really a beautiful baby. It looks like she’s a happy one too! 

I don’t think Jeremy is dumb. He’s obviously not Einstein, but he seemingly did well enough in his undergraduate program to get admitted to the MBA program at Syracuse. 

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I've always had good posture. About three months after having my first child I was at a wedding shower. A couple weeks later (camera w/film to be developed) I saw the photos and I was shocked seeing my slouch. I think my problem was because I had been carrying about 30lbs directly in the front for a couple of months. Once the baby and weight was gone I kind of caved in. Probably due to weakened abdominal muscles and no longer having to extend myself back to support the weight.

When I realized how poor my posture had become I made a conscious effort to stand up straight and in no time my posture improved. I'm built similarly to Jinger. Maybe she's experiencing the same thing?

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7 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

I don’t think Jeremy is dumb. He’s obviously not Einstein, but he seemingly did well enough in his undergraduate program to get admitted to the MBA program at Syracuse. 

I don't know what the story is. But listen to some of his sermons. If he's not dumb, then he certainly appears to be intellectually lazy. Or maybe he's sort of good at some parts of math or has selling skills or "talk your way in" skills or whatever. He has no gift for either language or conceptual thought, it seems to me. Or if he has any gift, he virtually never uses it.

Of course at Syracuse his clear intention was to go into a graduate program for a single year after finishing his bachelor's as an athlete the school really wanted to keep for that final year of his soccer availability.

And from things that have been written about that time, there's no doubt that he fully intended to leave after that year to pursue his pro soccer career. He didn't enter the program as a person intending to finish it. Wouldn't totally surprise me if they lowered the admissions standards somewhat for people in that position. They feel pretty confident they'll never have to award you their degree, so why not? 

On the other hand, Bloomberg here ranks the Syracuse MBA as the 64th best in the country (i.e., good but not great....Their online program gets ranked higher among the purely online programs -- coming in 22nd in this ranking, for example. https://thebestschools.org/rankings/best-online-mba-programs/   But as I understand it he was in the on-campus program). https://voices.whitman.syr.edu/student-life/masters/syracuse-universitys-mba-ranked-64-by-bloomberg-businessweek

So you could probably get in there with some strong specifically business-related talents -- which Jer may well have, as evidenced by what I consider his quite savvy networking and job-seeking program --   but little common sense or any of the intellect that you'd need to qualify as a smart theologian or as a highly intelligent person overall.

I know plenty of people who are apparently smart in one area but who I'd say are really not smart at all in general. Including some high-paid lawyers from Harvard and Yale, PhDs from top schools and medical doctors. Maybe that's his story. (I sort of suspect it is, which is why I think his search for a top-level preacher job may end in success, at least temporarily.)

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21 hours ago, Christina87 said:

I've always wondered if I had scoliosis. I was screened in school and passed, but have slouched forever. I really wonder if my boobs have something to do with it (definitely not bragging...they are heavy!!!), or my height, since I always had to slouch in school desks. Also, my neck is really far forward, which is part of my migraine issue. 

Heavy boobs will do it.  I wore an I cup (yes, an I) before my reduction and lift.  Once that healed, my posture improved instantly.  

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5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I don't know what the story is. But listen to some of his sermons. If he's not dumb, then he certainly appears to be intellectually lazy. Or maybe he's sort of good at some parts of math or has selling skills or "talk your way in" skills or whatever. He has no gift for either language or conceptual thought, it seems to me. Or if he has any gift, he virtually never uses it.

Of course at Syracuse his clear intention was to go into a graduate program for a single year after finishing his bachelor's as an athlete the school really wanted to keep for that final year of his soccer availability.

And from things that have been written about that time, there's no doubt that he fully intended to leave after that year to pursue his pro soccer career. He didn't enter the program as a person intending to finish it. Wouldn't totally surprise me if they lowered the admissions standards somewhat for people in that position. They feel pretty confident they'll never have to award you their degree, so why not? 

On the other hand, Bloomberg here ranks the Syracuse MBA as the 64th best in the country (i.e., good but not great....Their online program gets ranked higher among the purely online programs -- coming in 22nd in this ranking, for example. https://thebestschools.org/rankings/best-online-mba-programs/   But as I understand it he was in the on-campus program). https://voices.whitman.syr.edu/student-life/masters/syracuse-universitys-mba-ranked-64-by-bloomberg-businessweek

So you could probably get in there with some strong specifically business-related talents -- which Jer may well have, as evidenced by what I consider his quite savvy networking and job-seeking program --   but little common sense or any of the intellect that you'd need to qualify as a smart theologian or as a highly intelligent person overall.

I know plenty of people who are apparently smart in one area but who I'd say are really not smart at all in general. Including some high-paid lawyers from Harvard and Yale, PhDs from top schools and medical doctors. Maybe that's his story. (I sort of suspect it is, which is why I think his search for a top-level preacher job may end in success, at least temporarily.)

I remember an attorney once telling me ‘Most lawyers are in fact poor writers, and in many firms this generally results in there being one poor talented sucker functioning as the ‘designated writer’, whom everyone then piles on to write their briefs and memos’.

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On 3/19/2019 at 9:25 PM, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Jinger really should work on her posture. It’s atrocious!

Her posture is exactly like Michelle’s. 😣

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28 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Her posture is exactly like Michelle’s. 😣

Wonder if Michelle had this same posture when she'd only had one kid? I always thought it probably related to the many stresses her back and abdominal muscles have had over the years..... but maybe not? 

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21 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

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She really is a little doll. 🥰

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On 3/21/2019 at 1:08 PM, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Heavy boobs will do it.  I wore an I cup (yes, an I) before my reduction and lift.  Once that healed, my posture improved instantly.  

My sympathies are with you on that I cup. I wear a DD bra, but I bought it before I gained weight, and I'm sure I really need to be fitted again. I'm thinking after I have children, I will likely get a reduction, but I don't want to do it now and then balloon when I get pregnant! I have never, ever, ever understood why people get boobs this size on purpose. They are so limiting and heavy, and no, they don't improve your dating life, either. They get you gross comments from creeps, but decent guys don't date you just for the boobs. 

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On 3/18/2019 at 9:00 PM, marypat57 said:

There's always drama in the choir!  As a 24 year member of my choir, I can certainly attest to that. 

My favorite choir quote is "When you sing, you're only giving back the voice God gave to you--whether He wants it back or not". 

I am not in the choir but I will warn people before I sing that I am living proof of the verse " Make a joyful noise unto the Lord."

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1 hour ago, Christina87 said:

My sympathies are with you on that I cup. I wear a DD bra, but I bought it before I gained weight, and I'm sure I really need to be fitted again. I'm thinking after I have children, I will likely get a reduction, but I don't want to do it now and then balloon when I get pregnant! I have never, ever, ever understood why people get boobs this size on purpose. They are so limiting and heavy, and no, they don't improve your dating life, either. They get you gross comments from creeps, but decent guys don't date you just for the boobs. 

My best friend through high school and college - and to this day, really, though we seem to see each other rarely these days - was very well endowed, and says the same thing. She always had guys in spades wanting to go out with her, which kinda made me jealous. But then again she was also pretty and intelligent, and much more of a natural people-person than I was, so maybe the boobs were only part of it. But she is single to this day, and never did manage to find a guy who wasn't sort of a creep at heart.

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8 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Wonder if Michelle had this same posture when she'd only had one kid? I always thought it probably related to the many stresses her back and abdominal muscles have had over the years..... but maybe not? 

When I see them standing like that, the word that comes to my mind is "simpering." Might be wrong, but my theory is it's an affected pose to appear like a joyfully adoring wife. (I have atrocious posture myself, but that just doesn't even look like naturally bad posture. I could be wrong.) 

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32 minutes ago, Zella said:

When I see them standing like that, the word that comes to my mind is "simpering." Might be wrong, but my theory is it's an affected pose to appear like a joyfully adoring wife. (I have atrocious posture myself, but that just doesn't even look like naturally bad posture. I could be wrong.) 

"Simpering" describes both Michelle and Jinger to a tee! The other girls try to do it, but Michelle and Jinger are naturals!

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Jeremy's strengths and weaknesses will only matter depending on his goals. If wants to become a Super Preacher then being academically smart isn't a requirement. If he wants to become a respected theologian then it is.

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2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Jeremy's strengths and weaknesses will only matter depending on his goals. If wants to become a Super Preacher then being academically smart isn't a requirement. If he wants to become a respected theologian then it is.

Yeah, but if he wants to become a Super Preacher he does need to be an engaging, charismatic, emotionally moving, attention-grabbing, rhetoric-laden, voice-projecting preacher in the pulpit. And he's not that either. Not by a country mile.  

My sense also, though, is that he sees John MacArthur as somebody who's managed both those things, which is pretty much true, given the current crop, I think. 

And I'm pretty sure, given his comments and his actions, that being the next MacArthur is what he aspires to. .... And in that case he'll have to pull two major sets of talents out of his ass.

I'm pretty sure that's what he's trying to do: he does a lot of talk about heavy theological tomes, but he also seems to gravitate toward having photos of himself everywhere, so that's the Super Preacher line. it'd be easier to just go after one, obviously, but he's looking at MacArthur, who seems to have done both. Jer may not have the talents for either, though. He hasn't shown them so far. 

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Look at all those female crotches! Jinger in pants, and Felicity in an outfit that a boy could wear. Anna probably needs smelling salts. 

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On ‎3‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 9:45 PM, Christina87 said:

I've always wondered if I had scoliosis. I was screened in school and passed, but have slouched forever. I really wonder if my boobs have something to do with it (definitely not bragging...they are heavy!!!), or my height, since I always had to slouch in school desks. Also, my neck is really far forward, which is part of my migraine issue. 

I have the combined "tall girl slouch" with the large breasts combo.  Once those shoulders become accustomed to being pulled in (to downplay breast size and appear smaller), chest muscles tighten and back muscles become over stretched.  They actually make a pillow to lay on to stretch out the chest muscles and relieve the back muscles.

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RedheadZombie, do you know the name of that pillow? I'm the classic tall girl with big boobs who grew/developed too early and has a permanent slouch.

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3 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I have the combined "tall girl slouch" with the large breasts combo.  Once those shoulders become accustomed to being pulled in (to downplay breast size and appear smaller), chest muscles tighten and back muscles become over stretched.  They actually make a pillow to lay on to stretch out the chest muscles and relieve the back muscles.

Does the pillow work for low average girls with large breasts who also tended to slouch? Asking for a friend...

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2 hours ago, emma675 said:

RedheadZombie, do you know the name of that pillow? I'm the classic tall girl with big boobs who grew/developed too early and has a permanent slouch.

Oh gosh girl, me too. I hated looking like an adult while all my friends were adorable little children! I would have given anything in middle school to be petite and short with no curves. Especially as a dancer, I stood out so much. Even on the basketball team, the short girls got to play the better positions.

And i'd say as an adult (besides being too call for a lot of guys to consider), the worst thing has been never having a "cute" body for a bikini. If I wear one, I look like I belong at the Playboy mansion! In fact, that goes for a large variety of clothing. I've almost always worn a one piece at the beach, not because I'm ashamed of my body, but because I don't want to show up looking inappropriately sexy. It reeks of desperation and trying too hard! I would love to go get a little bikini and be able to wear it, totally unnoticed, on the beach. Instead, I feel like people see me in my one piece and think either that I'm censoring myself because I'm bigger than them and super modest, or that i incorrectly think I'm a whale, and am insecure. No, I just don't want to look like Pamela Anderson on the prowl! I don't have an overtly sexual personality, so I don't want to give the wrong impression. I also can't wear a button up shirt to save my life!

I did learn something early on, though...that I'll never just blend into the crowd. I finally decided that in my dance recital, when I was 5'9" with at least a C cup at the time, and everyone else was 5'4" and flat chested, at least my hard work wouldn't go unnoticed! People would look at me no matter what, so I was going to be the BEST one and show them that the tall girl has moves! I have a pretty quirky personality too, so I learned early on that I was just never going to blend in and fly under the radar. I might as well be the best version of myself I can if I'm going to be so conspicuous!

Hahaha sorry we're getting off topic. I guess there's something bad about every body type, though! People complain about being flat chested and I'm like whaaaaa...?

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On 3/23/2019 at 11:13 AM, Fostersmom said:

Felicity crawling.

It’s the little things like this normal video that show Jeremy is in love with that baby.  Felicity has him wrapped around her little finger.   He’s got some crazy beliefs, but I do believe that they have a happy home.  Good for Jinger!

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I'm shocked no one has remarked about the move to LA Jer posted about it, it's in People. I would link but I'm an idiot. lol. 

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