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3 hours ago, doodlebug said:

There is a federal program, vaccines for children, that provides vaccines for free to all children who are not insured/cannot pay.  So, even if their insurance doesn't cover it, all they have to do is contact the local health department for information on where to get them.  Most pediatricians are qualified to provide free vaccinations to kids by that program.  Of course, the cost of the office visit and nurse's time to give the injection is not covered by Uncle Sam.

My sister, a middle class mom with good health insurance, was advised by her pediatrician not to get her kids vaccinated in his office.  Instead, he gave her a list of vaccines and when they needed to be given and told her to contact the health department which had days of the month set aside to do immunizations for free.  He did this with all his patients because he couldn't afford not to charge to give them.

We went to the health department for a vaccine when our Ped couldn't get us in soon enough and the school was throwing a fit. 

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Up until Junior High, our school gave us our vaccinations.  Mom found it easier to pay $5 per vaccine per kid than to take us to the Health Department or to a doctor.  The school kept track of our records, let the parents know when shot days were, and the kids whose parents signed off on it would line up and get our shots.  Get in line, go to the first person standing their with their shot gun, they'd look at the card we had hanging around our neck and if we needed that particular shot we'd get it.  Take another couple of steps, get our card checked again, etc.  At the end of the line, those of us who needed to get our Polio vaccines would get a sugar cube with some red liquid squirted over it. 

We were all terribly brave, because no one wanted to be one of those kids who freaked out and had to be taken to the nurses office to get their shots in private.  Everyone knew that was reserved for the screamers.  Those who missed the first shot day were taken out of class a week or so later and got their shots then. 

Every so often a kid was so terrified of needles that their parents were called to come calm them down so they could get it all done.  Mom always warned us that if we thought getting a shot was bad, we'd think it was a picnic compared to what would happen if she had to be called to the school to calm us down.  I was always amazed at what kids would tease the poor needle-phobes and which ones would rise to their defense.

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6 hours ago, Zahdii said:

Up until Junior High, our school gave us our vaccinations.  Mom found it easier to pay $5 per vaccine per kid than to take us to the Health Department or to a doctor.  The school kept track of our records, let the parents know when shot days were, and the kids whose parents signed off on it would line up and get our shots.  Get in line, go to the first person standing their with their shot gun, they'd look at the card we had hanging around our neck and if we needed that particular shot we'd get it.  Take another couple of steps, get our card checked again, etc.  At the end of the line, those of us who needed to get our Polio vaccines would get a sugar cube with some red liquid squirted over it. 

We were all terribly brave, because no one wanted to be one of those kids who freaked out and had to be taken to the nurses office to get their shots in private.  Everyone knew that was reserved for the screamers.  Those who missed the first shot day were taken out of class a week or so later and got their shots then. 

Every so often a kid was so terrified of needles that their parents were called to come calm them down so they could get it all done.  Mom always warned us that if we thought getting a shot was bad, we'd think it was a picnic compared to what would happen if she had to be called to the school to calm us down.  I was always amazed at what kids would tease the poor needle-phobes and which ones would rise to their defense.

Oh gosh, this reminds me of my Hepatitis B shot experience!!!

we got those at school in sixth grade, and they were HORRIBLE!!! You couldn't move your arm for days, and we had to have three of them. They'd also schedule the shots for the end of the day, so you had to go through all your classes while thinking about it. You'd see the kids who just got their shots, looking miserable, walking out of the library. It was just horrible!

shot #1 was particularly horrible because it was the day before my birthday! I dreaded, and then hated having to spend my birthday like that!

when I started teaching, the school nurse asked me if I was hepatitis B vaccinated. I told her yes, and she said, "by any chance, do you remember when you got vaccinated?"

"October 6, 1999," I replied, without missing a beat.

she was stunned that I knew that, but then had an easy time looking me up in the system and verifying that I'd had the shots. 

Worst. Shots. Ever!

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I'm doing my Hep B boosters now (last one next month) and never had any issues. Hell, I got a flu shot piggy backed on my shot in September. Arm worked just fine. 😀

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8 hours ago, Zahdii said:

Up until Junior High, our school gave us our vaccinations.  Mom found it easier to pay $5 per vaccine per kid than to take us to the Health Department or to a doctor.  The school kept track of our records, let the parents know when shot days were, and the kids whose parents signed off on it would line up and get our shots.  Get in line, go to the first person standing their with their shot gun, they'd look at the card we had hanging around our neck and if we needed that particular shot we'd get it.  Take another couple of steps, get our card checked again, etc.  At the end of the line, those of us who needed to get our Polio vaccines would get a sugar cube with some red liquid squirted over it. 

We were all terribly brave, because no one wanted to be one of those kids who freaked out and had to be taken to the nurses office to get their shots in private.  Everyone knew that was reserved for the screamers.  Those who missed the first shot day were taken out of class a week or so later and got their shots then. 

Every so often a kid was so terrified of needles that their parents were called to come calm them down so they could get it all done.  Mom always warned us that if we thought getting a shot was bad, we'd think it was a picnic compared to what would happen if she had to be called to the school to calm us down.  I was always amazed at what kids would tease the poor needle-phobes and which ones would rise to their defense.

1960’s child here.  We were also inoculated at school.  I was the kid who passed out cold while getting my smallpox vaccine.

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Funny, I got my granddaughter the exact same stuffed dog that Felicity has in the photo.  It was from Cuddle and Kind, and for a holiday promotion my purchase provided 20 free meals to children in need.  It is a gorgeous little dog- really well made and the attention to detail is amazing.  I would highly recommend it.  I saw an ad in my Instagram feed- I am guessing Jinger did the same but got a freebie for featuring it in a photo.  

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On ‎1‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 5:28 PM, DangerousMinds said:

We only see exactly what they want us to see.

Which is the way it should be.

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Maybe I'm weird, but I love those shoes and I'd wear 'em.  They'd go great with jeans.  The only thing is they look too big for Jinger's feet.  I wonder if Jeremy even knows her shoe size.

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1 minute ago, Gemma Violet said:

Maybe I'm weird, but I love those shoes and I'd wear 'em.  They'd go great with jeans.  The only thing is they look too big for Jinger's feet.  I wonder if Jeremy even knows her shoe size.

I wondered that, too. I thought that they might be Jeremy's shoes, but maybe Jinger wears them a lot and the "thanks for the new shoes, babe" was a joke. A joke, I know, how crazy would that be?

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2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

I'm doing my Hep B boosters now (last one next month) and never had any issues. Hell, I got a flu shot piggy backed on my shot in September. Arm worked just fine. 😀

Did they do the air gun? Supposedly that was what made it hurt so much, and I guess it could have also been our age. It was awful though! I remember not being able to move it at all...and I'm a pretty dramatic person, but I didn't over exaggerate it at all! We all had trouble moving them for a few days. Some things are actually better about getting older, I guess! No matter what it is, glad you aren't feeling that awful pain!

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1 hour ago, Adeejay said:

Which is the way it should be.

But it is a carefully curated, formally posed yet  rather oddly edited version of their life.  It is especially strange since Jing  and HER daugher have had " seemingly " zero interaction with her gallionion siblings over the holidays.  Everything is all about JerJer and his family.

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10 minutes ago, fonfereksglen said:

But it is a carefully curated, formally posed yet  rather oddly edited version of their life.  It is especially strange since Jing  and HER daugher have had " seemingly " zero interaction with her gallionion siblings over the holidays.  Everything is all about JerJer and his family.

 It might feel good to be in a smaller family, and not one of the hordes. People are funny, sometimes we want what we didn't have.

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

 I would rather have people come to me instead of traveling to someone else's home.  I like my bed better than any guest room.

 I so agree with this.

The old saying "fish and company stink after three days" is true.

Also, being company stinks (for me) after just three days. I want to go home.

And think about it..where would they stay? Are there hotels nearby?  (and if so, would the family get offended if they didn't stay with them?) 

Couldn't pay me enough to go.

She'd have to be around Josh, too.

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I think I would rather spend my holidays where my child is a cherished grandchild then a barn where she is just another number.  From her social media posts it does look like Jinger aporeciates her siblings visiting her.  I get that.   I would rather have people come to me instead of traveling to someone else's home.  I like my bed better than any guest room.

Yet Jing and her daughter flew to Phili?  And stayed so long that that PastorJer didn't preach over the holidays.  So long they must have slept in a guest room somewhere other than Laredo. So I do not get your point.  

And my point is ..... consider just how carefully and completely JerJer controls their social media presence.   He is a Calvinist Svengali.  Don't  be fooled by the pretty clothes.

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When my girls were younger, I preferred to visit. That way we could leave on our own schedule, instead of wishing visitors would leave. I know that sounds rude. As they got older, it was easier to have family visit for a weekend, or a week or two. That way we could go about our lives, sports were a biggie, and family could attend games and tournaments.

Now, as a grandparent, I’m back to preferring to be the one to visit. Circle of life? Or, I’m just a curmudgeon.

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1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

When my girls were younger, I preferred to visit. That way we could leave on our own schedule, instead of wishing visitors would leave. I know that sounds rude. As they got older, it was easier to have family visit for a weekend, or a week or two. That way we could go about our lives, sports were a biggie, and family could attend games and tournaments.

Now, as a grandparent, I’m back to preferring to be the one to visit. Circle if life? Or, I’m just a curmudgeon.

We have 3 grands and their parents. When they visit it is a bit chaotic. They are good kids and we all get along well. But we are used to just the two of us. Meals are harder even though daughter in law can and does take over sometimes. They are not destructive but laundry goes up and machine runs constantly. Then figuring out who wants to do what. We dont fight but it is different with so many people. So easier to go visit them where we have our own room.  Kids came without parents this summer and it was great too. We kept them busy. We were exhausted. So mostly I like my own house but sometimes easier on us to travel as odd as that sounds. So maybe Jin and Jer have some of each going on. 

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On 12/24/2018 at 9:23 PM, TVFAN said:

It's not uncommon in the Protestant church to have special Christmas services a few days (or even weeks) before Christmas.   We are big on children's Christmas programs, and with families traveling on and around Christmas itself, having them early may be the only way to get the entire cast there.  

that is different in catholic churches it's the same no  matter where you are, I have been to church in Mexico and Italy not knowin either language and it's pretty much the same process stand up sit down kneel host. you just go where you happen to be at the time.  

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On 12/25/2018 at 11:48 AM, Churchhoney said:

Well, you know, that's the real difference. And the essence of Catholicism vs. Protestantism, to my mind. One is "The Church." The other is -- faith as an individual-soul phenomenon and therefore, of course, an individual church phenomenon. (Not that there isn't deviation from both of these in both groups, of course, but -- in essence this is it. ...........

And with the fundies and evangelicals this individualism is even more pronounced, since many fundie churches don't even have a "denomination"-type church the way the mainline and some evangelical churches do. The very idea of a denomination that has a national or international name and an office somewhere or any kind of standard liturgy or hymns or anything coming down from above is anathema to some/most fundie/evangelical groups. As a Catholic, you have "the Church." Protestants do not. At all. And the more fundie you get the more that's true. So things morph a lot and vary hugely from place to place and over time.

(Ironically, of course, in response to this you also develop these one-man (or woman) cults (many of them) where one loony like Gothard or Doug Phillips etc etc takes over the whole "the Church" function and gives people back the top-down domination that Protestants were generally fleeing in the Reformation....You get one loon's thinking as a replacement for an institution. It's kind of delicious revenge, I suppose.) 

What I was trying to say about the Advent Sundays is that in fact that since the fourth Sunday is the final Advent Sunday, in some Protestant churches -- since they're all different -- has basically morphed into a Christmas service in some places because Protestant "traditions" morph like crazy over time and among groups, including among individual congregations, and local traditions change things. Because that's the nature of Protestantism -- in which, unlike in "the Church," you can CALL that Sunday anything you want. ... So since some people don't go to the Christmas service, it just becomes "the Christmas service" in some places.  

And in the early days of America -- up into the early 20th century, even -- few Protestant churches outside of large towns had anything but circuit preachers. Those guys had all they could handle just covering Sundays, I expect, so many small far-flung places didn't even have a pastor showing up on Christmas day, I'm sure. A Catholic church is an institution, with a standard practice. And a Protestant church just isn't, especially as you move further along the evangelical/fundie end of the spectrum. ... Note the name '' Independent Free Baptists," for example -- a big rebellion against the institutional type name of the Southern Baptist Convention and the National Baptist Convention, for example. They are not an institution -- they are independent and free. 

I am an Italian America catholic but I have a degree in chinese, Buddhism in the east is very similar to catholic structure is many ways. head leader, monastics, ritual, saints, monastics carrying out jobs like education,  agriculture,  health care/disaster relief.  I found it rather extensive but it makes sense for parts of the world to fill a need for social services and the need for organized structure.  the lack of structure,  there were times when buddhist monks would go from town to town with begging bowls for food living like asethics. like derek and jill only no sex, no trying to convert people and carrying all possessions in a bag with you.  not really sure who invented the jesus get rich quick scheme

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On 12/25/2018 at 1:42 PM, lookeyloo said:

Have a question - not Christian so don't know - is it possible that Jeremy is a preacher sometimes but serves some other function in the church, so that the preacher-ing was never intended to be a full time gig?  Also, what is the difference between a preacher, a pastor, a minister, etc.  I think I know what a priest is and how that is different, but, maybe not.

 

On 12/26/2018 at 11:33 AM, Fosca said:

I suspect the church didn't know he was going to do that when they hired him.  Or that his sermons would be so boring, I suspect particularly for those who have English as a second language.  

Was he the only none blue eyed, blond guy they could come up with.   it could be the best they could do. was it a wierd attemet to blend in more than sore thumbs jill and derrick in El Salvador.   I could totally see this.   not sure what they will accomplish,  I live in an area with a small latino popular compared to others, and church is fully in Spanish here at a lot of places.  good luck trying to convert people with your iffy Spanish skills when people have a church tied to their culture. not sure about anyone else, but we grew up with those fancy life size baby jesus dolls that people carry through the street during festivals. going to give up generations of stuff for the church jeremy.  yah.... 

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9 hours ago, fonfereksglen said:

Yet Jing and her daughter flew to Phili?  And stayed so long that that PastorJer didn't preach over the holidays.  So long they must have slept in a guest room somewhere other than Laredo. So I do not get your point.  

And my point is ..... consider just how carefully and completely JerJer controls their social media presence.   He is a Calvinist Svengali.  Don't  be fooled by the pretty clothes.

I highly doubt Jeremy and Jinger have any privacy at the TTH.  its chaotic and I can see them having problems with Felicitys nap schedule and if Jinger us breastfeeding where would she go.  I can see Chuck and the Mrs. having a much more peaceful home.  We also don't know if it is Jeremy who doesn't want to go to Arkansas or if it is Jinger.

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On 1/2/2019 at 12:27 PM, DangerousMinds said:

Sure, “god” is kind to them, but what about all of those poor kids in camps and dying at the border? 

THANK YOU!!!!!   I was thinking the same damn thing.  Don't forget the babies dying of cancer. 

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@Zahdii and @Churchhoney Also, I think that people fail to realize humans have only so much emotional and mental bandwidth for conversation and intimacy. Of course some people have more bandwidth than others, within a group of 30 people, there are only going to be so many 1x1 conversations and intimate relationships.

While I don’t doubt Jinger cares for all her Duggar relatives, and she wouldn’t want harm to come to any of them (well maybe Josh), it’s just not likely she has a deep connection with all of them. In “typically sized families” it’s normal to have a favorite niece/nephew or grandchild just based on personality or shared interests. I can believe Jinger feels this way about Jessa, and Joe (the two next to her in birth order she spent a lot of time with), just like Jill is very close to her buddy team compared to all her other siblings. But if she’s at all introverted she prefers a much smaller and more intimate family gathering. 

 

I am very extroverted and grew up in a small nuclear family with a large extended family. I enjoy large parties and the noise and laughter that comes with visiting my extended family but if that noise was in my house I would DIE of frustration and want to go in my room and lock the door. Jinger might feel this way. 

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2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

@Zahdii and @Churchhoney Also, I think that people fail to realize humans have only so much emotional and mental bandwidth for conversation and intimacy. Of course some people have more bandwidth than others, within a group of 30 people, there are only going to be so many 1x1 conversations and intimate relationships.

While I don’t doubt Jinger cares for all her Duggar relatives, and she wouldn’t want harm to come to any of them (well maybe Josh), it’s just not likely she has a deep connection with all of them. In “typically sized families” it’s normal to have a favorite niece/nephew or grandchild just based on personality or shared interests. I can believe Jinger feels this way about Jessa, and Joe (the two next to her in birth order she spent a lot of time with), just like Jill is very close to her buddy team compared to all her other siblings. But if she’s at all introverted she prefers a much smaller and more intimate family gathering. 

 

I am very extroverted and grew up in a small nuclear family with a large extended family. I enjoy large parties and the noise and laughter that comes with visiting my extended family but if that noise was in my house I would DIE of frustration and want to go in my room and lock the door. Jinger might feel this way. 

I agree that Jinger is close to Jessa and Joe, and I think she would very much like a Jessa / Bin / Joe / Kendra Christmas. Unfortunately, there's no way to arrange that without hurting anyone's feelings. 

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1 minute ago, Christina87 said:

I agree that Jinger is close to Jessa and Joe, and I think she would very much like a Jessa / Bin / Joe / Kendra Christmas. Unfortunately, there's no way to arrange that without hurting anyone's feelings. 

Yup! That’s a strategic problem in large families. I do wonder how people handle things when they hate their siblings but love their parents. The parents might want all the kids together but may have to alternate to keep the peace. 

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My dad and his brother have strategically avoided each other since 1980 while still visiting their parents. It's doable, but it's pretty obvious what's going on. 

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7 minutes ago, Zella said:

My dad and his brother have strategically avoided each other since 1980 while still visiting their parents. It's doable, but it's pretty obvious what's going on. 

Oh I am sure it’s doable! Just more logistical work. 

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1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

Oh I am sure it’s doable! Just more logistical work. 

Yeah it really irritates my grandparents! 

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One more reason to like Jeremy:  Check out his latest IG post.  Apparently he’s an Elton John fan. 💙

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1 hour ago, farmgal4 said:

One more reason to like Jeremy:  Check out his latest IG post.  Apparently he’s an Elton John fan. 💙

I have no reasons to like this guy.

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6 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

I suspect Jinger was like the kid in Kid Farm who was hiding in a dryer to get some alone time.

Heh. "Where's BAYGUN?!"

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Unfortunately, to me that's just one more reason to consider him either a fat fucking hypocrite or just a clueless idiot, actually. He's very much on record as condemning both tolerance of homosexuals and acceptance of gay marriage as being completely against God's laws regarding Biblical gender roles yadda yadda. 

Here's one of his pronouncements, re a retired Christian pastor who said he'd be willing to perform marriage ceremonies for gay believers as a matter of open-mindedness, charity, etc.....https://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/208065/jeremy_vuolo_same_sex_marriage -- "We're living in a day when basic teachings of Christ in regards to marriage and sexuality are being undermined and eroded, not just out there amongst the radical liberal thinkers, but amongst our so-called Christian leaders ... Just this week, we saw this demonstrated with the endorsement of gay marriage from Eugene Peterson and his subsequent attempt to recant, which really was no retraction at all."

Peterson's remarks were, among other things, according to Jer -- a “cowardly retreat by the people of God under the assaults of demonic forces.”   https://www.inquisitr.com/4377946/jinger-duggars-husband-jeremy-vuolo-shames-pastor-for-same-sex-marriage-support/

And here, Jer explains why it's imperative that Christian preachers publicly denounce homosexuality and condemns those who hold back as being cowards who are kowtowing to evil contemporary culture and who by expressing this tolerance are abandoning Christian faith ... https://www.inquisitr.com/4556737/jinger-duggars-husband-jeremy-vuolo-compares-lgbt-acceptance-to-a-gun/

'“All you have to do is look at the sexual revolution pressuring them, and they cave in to a worldview that rejects God’s truth and embraces popular opinion,” Jeremy said. “Do you want to see the gun? Do you want to see the threatening of being burned alive?… Look at the revolution of popular thought. Look at the postmodernism of today’s culture. Look at the sexual revolution. Look at the false idea of tolerance. Look at the false definition of love.”

'To further illustrate his point, Jeremy Vuolo mocked the religious leaders who have displeased him by pretending to be a frightened preacher with a gun held to his head. He then acted like he was giving in to a list of demands.

'“Don’t pull the trigger, don’t pull the trigger!” Jeremy said while making a gun with his hand and pointing it at his temple. “Okay, we’ll blur the lines of truth there. Okay, we’ll remove that from our statement of faith. Okay, we won’t speak out about that. Okay, we’ll skip that section. Okay, I won’t give a public denunciation of homosexuality.”'

He said that he and Jinger consider homosexuality to be a "false love."    https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2017/10/jeremy-vuolo-slammed-for-anti-lgbt-anti-duggar-rant/

Something tells me Elton John feels a bit weary when he hears about having fans with those views. 

By the by, and moving a bit away from EJ specifically, it's also clear that Jer definitely shares Der's view of transgender -- i.e., it doesn't exist and talk of it only emerges from families that are hopelessly messed up in an ungodly way. 

Here's one of his pronouncements on Jazz --  

 'Vuolo seems to believe that the existence of transgender individuals is a result of bad parenting — or rather, that the concept of being transgender doesn't exist in the first place. *Eye roll* Yes, really. Vuolo was speaking in reference to a realty TV web series about a family with a transgender daughter. And Jeremy let his feelings on the matter be heard loud and clear. "Well that’s a sign of — the child is ruling," Vuolo says during the sermon. He continues:

'"The parents have no discipline over the child and no instruction over what’s right and wrong. Just, 'Whatever you feel, you do.' And now you got a child who’s barely come to cognitive understanding of the world determining that how they were created is wrong and they’re going to redo that. And we see that all over the place."'

And while we're contemplating what a great guy he is, let's also consider one of his numerous remarks regarding the true nature of the dominant faith in his current home, Laredo --

 ' "I just want to say this, kind of as an aside for us here in Laredo," he said during a May, 2017 sermon. "There are spiritual strongholds in our world today, aren't there? "Just as Paul and Silas encountered the demonic in Phillippi, so we encounter that here in Laredo. In this city we have the pagan religion of Catholicism gripping the souls of the majority."'        

https://www.romper.com/p/quotes-from-jeremy-vuolos-sermons-show-hes-more-liberal-than-his-in-laws-but-not-by-much-8956142

What a guy, huh? 

For me, no taste in music could possibly overcome all this nonsense. He's sneakier than Der. But otherwise pretty much identical when it comes to beliefs and pronouncements. 

A thousand Amens to your entire post, @Churchhoney!  Especially the beginning!

and I CANT WAIT to see what happens if Felicity one day comes out as trans or gay. The child ruling, no instruction in right and wrong, no discipline. I would LOVE for Jeremy to be confronted by his own words one day. 

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7 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

@Churchhoney I’m not surprised at Jeremy. Many of these “Christians” have no problem enjoying LGBT people’s art and talent, but want to deny them their civil rights. No different than how black performers were treated during segregation “oh please come sing/dance for us, and pee in a Dixie cup because you’re too dirty to use our bathroom; we need to drain the pool if you use it” ala Dorothy  Dandrige. It’s gross. 

Exactly. Same song, different verse. 

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9 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

@Churchhoney I’m not surprised at Jeremy. Many of these “Christians” have no problem enjoying LGBT people’s art and talent, but want to deny them their civil rights. No different than how black performers were treated during segregation “oh please come sing/dance for us, and pee in a Dixie cup because you’re too dirty to use our bathroom; we need to drain the pool if you use it” ala Dorothy  Dandrige. It’s gross. 

Preach. I read this comment just after I got home from seeing the movie "The Green Book." Don't want to take this discussion off topic, but the movie demonstrated exactly that history as to black performing artists. 

Back to the main topic, I'm with @JoanArc - go on, Jer, lay out your real beliefs loud and proud!

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23 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Exactly. He's just Der all over again. Now with extra hypocrisy. To me, that actually makes him worse. Certainly more dangerous.

Der's antics are likely to attract very few people who don't already believe the exact same stuff that these guys spout. Jer, however -- with his spiffier shoes, cool-in-the-coffee-shop selfies and social-media pop-music love -- clearly functions as a honey trap, male edition. Evidence of that is all around. 

He's honey-dicking us? I still don't find him particularly attractive or charismatic. He should ask Jessa how far being the hot one gets you.

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34 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

He's honey-dicking us? I still don't find him particularly attractive or charismatic. He should ask Jessa how far being the hot one gets you.

Well, he's probably only honey-dicking those who find him attractive or charismatic. For those who don't find him especially attractive, he's just dicking us, I guess. 

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