The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[Jordan Baker]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Oh, Jingle, can't you at least take the giant knot off her head at nap time? That one's so big that it could be really uncomfortable if she tried to turn her head, I'd think. 

I'm getting a Norma Desmond vibe from this headpiece. 

[lookeyloo]

Is she allowed to have a blanket in her bed?  Or sleep on her side?  What is the latest as far as SIDS recommendations?

[Mindthinkr]

36 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Is she allowed to have a blanket in her bed?  Or sleep on her side?  What is the latest as far as SIDS recommendations?

Tried to google that for you, but it isn’t budging. It must think it has a Holiday too. 

[Churchhoney]

42 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Is she allowed to have a blanket in her bed?  Or sleep on her side?  What is the latest as far as SIDS recommendations?

I'm pretty sure it's still on the back, and no blankets, etc. .............Don't know what their stance is on head knots! 

[Absolom]

It's on the back and no blanket until the infant is able to roll over (according to grandkids' pediatrician).  He prefers no blankets until a year, but says once they can move around, parents can't determine sleep position and that's usually after the major danger of SIDS has passed.

[questionfear]

On 12/28/2018 at 1:26 PM, bythelake said:

 

Valerie graduated from the Hartt school of music in Ct with a BA in music/violin. Her resume is impressive, as she studied with well known violinists. She received several awards while a student.

She does not have an engineering degree. I thing she puts engineer on her resume to describe a sound engineer who deals with the acoustics in live performances and enhancing the sound on records.

Her band had a full schedule of live performances in the summer of 2018, mostly in Cape May, and seems very popular.

Holy shit I’ve eaten at a slew of the places she’s played at. There’s a very, very good chance my parents and/or brother and sister in law have seen her perform. 

I just texted my mom and told her to be aware in case we run into any Duggars. 

[Catfin]

9 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

I think that this was his plan for many years (she would raise the kids and then segue into caring for him and Michelle in their old age), but I think he's also saving her as his ratings ace in the hole. He knows that Jana is the one that the leghumpers and TV fans really want to see married. A Jana courtship and wedding would excite viewers far beyond the rather tepid "been there, done that" response to Joy's marriage. I think that's why JD was pushed into what was clearly a hastily-arranged marriage; he's a fan favorite and his courtship/wedding generated far more attention than Joy's.

Jim Bob will keep Jana on ice until he needs a big bargaining chip with TLC (or a distraction from the next big Josh scandal). Then, when he decides it's in HIS best interests, an eligible suitor will magically appear, Jana will fall in love on cue and the leghumpers will wet themselves over the beauty and romance of it all.

The Joy marriage was horrifying due to her age and apathy. I think JD grew a (small) set and married who he wanted, when he wanted, how he wanted.  His allowing cameras, etc, was his concession to the “product.” 

My hunch is that Jana is being kept for JB and Michelle as caretaker once her child rearing duties are completed. JB is too selfish to allow her an autonomous life. Michelle is just a see you next Tuesday.

[yogi2014L]

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

It's on the back and no blanket until the infant is able to roll over (according to grandkids' pediatrician).  He prefers no blankets until a year, but says once they can move around, parents can't determine sleep position and that's usually after the major danger of SIDS has passed.

I think the standard is no blankets until a year. ( I have a 6 mo old). Wearable blankets are fine like a sleep sack. I would not let my daughter sleep in a hat like that or anything that could potentially come off block her face or strangle her. Also, it does not look comfy. But she does sleep on her belly now, has since 5 mo old.

[CatS]

Felicity looks like she's sleeping on a regular bed with a quilt underneath her, not in a crib. Plus you can't really take a photo at that angle of a baby in a crib. I assume Jinger or another adult was in the room monitoring her nap. In a crib, alone, no you would not want headwraps or blankets on the baby. 

[DangerousMinds]

Oh, FFS.

[Oldernowiser]

Well that’s special...

 I was on the fence about him because he does seem to really adore his daughter but that hat has self-obsessed pretentious douche written all over it. Bougie, indeed.

[DangerousMinds]

3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Well that’s special...

 I was on the fence about him because he does seem to really adore his daughter but that hat has self-obsessed pretentious douche written all over it. Bougie, indeed.

Yep!

[BitterApple]

Is Jinger his wife or his personal photographer?

[DangerousMinds]

Just now, BitterApple said:

Is Jinger his wife or his personal photographer?

She does whatever he says.

[kokapetl]

2 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Oh, FFS.

The family hat budget must be like $5,000 a year. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

3 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Is Jinger his wife or his personal photographer?

Well, at any rate, it's a good angle for him. I've never found him attractive at all, but have to admit that the lines of his nose and mouth come across pretty well in this shot. I'm sure he's happy with it. 

[Churchhoney]

6 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Is Jinger his wife or his personal photographer?

She's his 'meek' wife....

And while that could have just been a wish for a gentle, humble, peaceful person of the kind (of either sex) that will "inherit the earth," according to the bible....in Jer's case I'm pretty sure it was also a personal thing. "Above all, I want somebody subordinate who'll follow me around 24/7 to make me feel like the world beater that I am...I am a world beater, right? right? Jingle? Jingle? Oh, thank God, Jingle's taken another picture in which I clearly am." 

[leighdear]

I think he looks hot.  Most guys his age just pull on a grungy ball cap, and call it good. 

I like their photos.  No screaming grubs, no filthy-footed toddlers, no vomitous masses pretending to be food. 

And Jeremy seems to enjoy taking photos as much as Jinger.  A shared hobby is kinda nice for a married couple.  

Edited December 30, 2018 by leighdear

[Scarlett45]

57 minutes ago, leighdear said:

I think he looks hot.  Most guys his age just pull on a grungy ball cap, and call it good. 

I like their photos.  No screaming grubs, no filthy-footed toddlers, no vomitous masses pretending to be food. 

And Jeremy seems to enjoy taking photos as much as Jinger.  A shared hobby is kinda nice for a married couple.  

I do think he looks nice. Of all the hobbies photography is a good one and Jinger was into it long before she met Jeremy. 

[Fostersmom]

Jinger also took some very nice pics of the architecture 

 

She's developing quite the eye. 

[Christina87]

As a millennial, before Jeremy gives our whole generation a bad rep...this level of self-obsession is not normal!

[Trillium]

I still haven’t decided between Derick and Jeremy, who the bigger poser is. Jeremy is a pretentious, but at least his poser pictures are in focus, well framed and look like every other Instagram poser out there. But all his fake pensive “candids” are ridiculous  

 

Derick is just as much as a poser but the photos are always just an epic fail on all levels. But at least they’re more realistic to how he actually lives. 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Trillium

[Christina87]

Hahaha I saw the picture on Instagram, and the only person I knew who liked it was this former student of mine whose mom complained when she saw ONE SCENE of Harry Potter because it violated her religious beliefs. One. Scene. The credits hadn't even been shown yet! I think she's like sixteen now. I guess that is Jeremy's demographic!

[lookeyloo]

9 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Well, at any rate, it's a good angle for him. I've never found him attractive at all, but have to admit that the lines of his nose and mouth come across pretty well in this shot. I'm sure he's happy with it. 

I agree.  His mouth is off kilter when he smiles full on.  So, this is a better angle.

[Sew Sumi]

They didn't make it home in time for Jeremy to preach at GCC this morning. Some guy named Jonathan Hunter had the honor. 

[DangerousMinds]

35 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

They didn't make it home in time for Jeremy to preach at GCC this morning. Some guy named Jonathan Hunter had the honor. 

Shocking!

[OpieTaylor]

51 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

They didn't make it home in time for Jeremy to preach at GCC this morning. Some guy named Jonathan Hunter had the honor. 

This really galls me for some reason - they’ve been to San Antonio at least a couple of times before. They just spent time in Philly. So WHY did they choose another vacation this weekend???

[BitterApple]

8 minutes ago, OpieTaylor said:

This really galls me for some reason - they’ve been to San Antonio at least a couple of times before. They just spent time in Philly. So WHY did they choose another vacation this weekend???

Not to mention they were back and forth all the time for Jinger's prenatal appointments. I find it hard to believe there's any tourist attraction or hipster cafe they haven't been to at this point. Just like all the other marrieds, Jinger's and Jeremy's lives are a permanent vacation.

[sixlets]

I will admit, if I didn't know who Jeremy was, I would probably find him attractive in the first photo.  Jinger seems to have a knack for photography, and she's guaranteed to have two clients.

As for who is the bigger poser between Jeremy and Derick, it's Jeremy.  Derick is an imposter.  Of a man.

[Churchhoney]

20 minutes ago, OpieTaylor said:

This really galls me for some reason - they’ve been to San Antonio at least a couple of times before. They just spent time in Philly. So WHY did they choose another vacation this weekend???

Because everyone who marries into the Duggar family either is exactly like them before the marriage....or quickly catches the incurable Duggar virus (I swear it exists) that apparently turns you into a terminally lazy self-righteous grifter in two months or less? 

[Chicklet]

Late to the party as usual but I have to add that there IS a fundy medical school as one of my students just started in July (Liberty University don'tcha know). So Lissy could very well continue her imaginary education.

I shudder to think what they teach there.

[doodlebug]

47 minutes ago, Chicklet said:

Late to the party as usual but I have to add that there IS a fundy medical school as one of my students just started in July (Liberty University don'tcha know). So Lissy could very well continue her imaginary education.

I shudder to think what they teach there.

It's an accredited school of osteopathic medicine, so the curriculum has to be pretty well defined and standard.  I presume there are a lot of fundie 'extras' on top of the medical stuff.  Prayer groups and such. As an accredited institution, they would not be permitted to restrict their student body to Christians only or male only; although I presume the location of the school and the basic credo of Liberty University tends to limit their applicants to a fairly narrow demographic anyway.  I sure as heck would've never applied there.

Edited December 30, 2018 by doodlebug

[Chicklet]

I think the University's reputation serves to limit applicants. Though I did have a jewish student graduate from there- her mother wanted her to stay "pure" and figured Liberty was the best solution. People do the oddest things.
 

[Zella]

3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Because everyone who marries into the Duggar family either is exactly like them before the marriage....or quickly catches the incurable Duggar virus (I swear it exists) that apparently turns you into a terminally lazy self-righteous grifter in two months or less? 

I don't know about the daughters-in-law, but my suspicion is that most of the sons-in-law are born grifters, even if they disguise it somewhat. I don't think a normal, self-sufficient man (or woman) would look at the Duggar circus or be around them for very long and feel comfortable with how they operate or want to buy into it. 

The only son-in-law that I think has something remotely resembling a real work ethic is Austin, but he also seems like an overbearing asshole, so he has other issues. 

[PikaScrewChu]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't know about the daughters-in-law, but my suspicion is that most of the sons-in-law are born grifters, even if they disguise it somewhat. I don't think a normal, self-sufficient man (or woman) would look at the Duggar circus or be around them for very long and feel comfortable with how they operate or want to buy into it. 

The only son-in-law that I think has something remotely resembling a real work ethic is Austin, but he also seems like an overbearing asshole, so he has other issues. 

Someone was posting a while back about how we all thought that JB would never marry off the J'Slaves and Joy. I truly thought that too. I think what they have as a set up is almost worse because we know most of the children are going to be heavily reliant on JB and Michelle for $$$ once the TV money finally dries up. Now Derick and Jeremy could go out and get actual jobs, but neither seems like job type people. We don't know about Ben but he was heavily groomed to be at TLC's beck and call at such a young age that it may be hard for him to find actual employment when it comes down to the wire.

The daughter-in-laws so far seem to be from families looking to get rid of another mouth to feed. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of Kendra or Lauren's sisters married off to the twins and Jason in short order.

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Someone was posting a while back about how we all thought that JB would never marry off the J'Slaves and Joy. I truly thought that too. I think what they have as a set up is almost worse because we know most of the children are going to be heavily reliant on JB and Michelle for $$$ once the TV money finally dries up. Now Derick and Jeremy could go out and get actual jobs, but neither seems like job type people. We don't know about Ben but he was heavily groomed to be at TLC's beck and call at such a young age that it may be hard for him to find actual employment when it comes down to the wire.

The daughter-in-laws so far seem to be from families looking to get rid of another mouth to feed. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of Kendra or Lauren's sisters married off to the twins and Jason in short order.

Yeah, it's not a sustainable system and is even more unwieldy than refusing to let them marry because it adds so many extra mouths to feed in the form of spouses and children! Now rather than "just" having his 19 dependents, JB has 39 dependents, with not even half the kids married off and no end in sight to the grandchild baby train. It's a recipe for abject poverty!

[PikaScrewChu]

If push came to shove, the Vuolos would likely be fine as long as they keep their family small. I suspect Jeremy's family is fairly well off and could shoulder the burden of supporting JinJer and their brood, as long as they don't have a large brood. Austin always has his parents' campsite. As Smugs is the golden child, the Smuggars and M'kids probably don't have much to worry about either. It's the Dillards, Seewalds, JoKen, and SiRen so far that have to really think about their financial future. Granted I think Cathy might be in the vein of the Vuolos and would support Derick financially regardless. The Seewalds, Caldwells, and Swansons don't strike me as the type to have money to help out their children if things went south. Don't know much about the Burnetts to make that determination yet.

[DangerousMinds]

I doubt Jeremy's parents want to support him.

[PikaScrewChu]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

I doubt Jeremy's parents want to support him.

What they want and what ends up happening are two very different things. I'm noticing more and more that my peers who are close to my age and Jeremy's age are relying more and more on parents to make ends meet. Whether that is intentional or unintentional is a different discussion and whether it's guilt tripping or feelings of parental obligation, yet another discussion. Probably in Small Talk. I've been having this discussion way too much lately, especially watching people my age crash and burn financially.

Hopefully Jeremy and Jinger don't put the Vuolos in that situation. Just pointing out that the Vuolos could probably shoulder the burden. Unfortunately I think they'd enable Jeremy further with his lifestyle rather than try and gently push him into doing something other than posing for Instagram.

[awaken]

How are they traveling yet again?!  

[Christina87]

24 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

What they want and what ends up happening are two very different things. I'm noticing more and more that my peers who are close to my age and Jeremy's age are relying more and more on parents to make ends meet. Whether that is intentional or unintentional is a different discussion and whether it's guilt tripping or feelings of parental obligation, yet another discussion. Probably in Small Talk. I've been having this discussion way too much lately, especially watching people my age crash and burn financially.

Hopefully Jeremy and Jinger don't put the Vuolos in that situation. Just pointing out that the Vuolos could probably shoulder the burden. Unfortunately I think they'd enable Jeremy further with his lifestyle rather than try and gently push him into doing something other than posing for Instagram.

I agree. I don't think they'd say, "Jeremy, I heard Brooks Brothers is looking for customer service reps to answer the phones! Maybe you could get a discount there! And why can't Jinger get a job at the coffee shop?" I think he is their golden child, and they believe in his "ministry" as much as he does. They might want him to not gallivant around as much, but a lot of their trips seem to be "generous gifts," and of course they would buy him plane tickets to see them. I think they are impressed that he is preaching the word of God, and would likely go to great lengths to support that. 

[TVFAN]

I agree that as long as Jinger and Jeremy keep the family small, they should be fine.   Jeremy has an education and is furthering it.  He may or may not be cut out to lead a church, but I suspect that between his Dad's connections and the name recognition he has gained through the show, he should be able to find something in religious publishing or something else related to the church.  My hope is that he has also had the sense to have someone invest some of the money from the show for them.  Since his family seems to have some money, investing wisely is something he likely has heard about all his life.  

[Loves2Dance]

2 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

If push came to shove, the Vuolos would likely be fine as long as they keep their family small. I suspect Jeremy's family is fairly well off and could shoulder the burden of supporting JinJer and their brood, as long as they don't have a large brood. Austin always has his parents' campsite. As Smugs is the golden child, the Smuggars and M'kids probably don't have much to worry about either. It's the Dillards, Seewalds, JoKen, and SiRen so far that have to really think about their financial future. Granted I think Cathy might be in the vein of the Vuolos and would support Derick financially regardless. The Seewalds, Caldwells, and Swansons don't strike me as the type to have money to help out their children if things went south. Don't know much about the Burnetts to make that determination yet.

I think it's reasonable to assume JD has some form of individual income and/or could work and Abbie has shown that she has the intelligence to get a useful degree that she could transfer to AR if the need arises so I think those two are fairly set if the Burnetts couldn't find them. 

[Nysha]

I think Jeremy and Jinger will be fine once the show stops. Small church preachers don't make much money and I'm sure that their large wardrobe of nice clothes, coffee shop addiction, and ungifted trips are paid for with TLC money. When that stops, if Jeremy isn't transferred to a church that allows him to keep up their appearance, God will probably lay it on his heart to stop preaching and enter a different "ministry" that pays better.

As for the other married Duggars, I agree that JD & Abby have the training and skills to support themselves without TLC, as does Austin. As long as Jessa & Ben don't have any more children and Ben's willing to work, they could easily support themselves without Daddy Duggar, although they'd have to cut back on Starbucks and trip to Dollar City.  Derick is too big of a jerk to keep a job, Smuggar has no qualifications and a rotten reputation, and the rest of the Duggar male offspring don't have enough education, life skills, or ambition to survive on their own.

[GeeGolly]

I don't see how the Vuolo parents could afford to support Jing and Jer unless they moved in with them. He's a preacher and she's a part-time musician - they seem very middle class to me, which in this day and age is more lower middle class.

I don't think any of the parents can afford to support any of the adult marrieds unless they moved home and even then the adult marrieds would have to pitch in financially. And it would feel very different from the way they're living now. JB & M fell into TLC and have used some of that money to invest in property, but I doubt they have enough money to support their many children for any length of time, even with them living in the home. Think food, cell phones and cars alone - that's a big chunk of change.

In real life most of these parents who are supporting their boomerang kids are putting off retirement and saving less money in order to support them. Their kids may not know this, but average american middle class parents don't have enough income permanently support their adult kids without changing their lifestyle to some degree. Without TLC JB & M will be no different and it appears to me the inlaw parents are no different now.

If TLC goes away anytime soon all of the adult Duggars and their spouses will have to scramble and get real jobs. And I'm guessing Michelle will not be willing to go back to 'the days of poor' to support her adult children.

[BitterApple]

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't see how the Vuolo parents could afford to support Jing and Jer unless they moved in with them. He's a preacher and she's a part-time musician - they seem very middle class to me, which in this day and age is more lower middle class.

I don't think any of the parents can afford to support any of the adult marrieds unless they moved home and even then the adult marrieds would have to pitch in financially. And it would feel very different from the way they're living now. JB & M fell into TLC and have used some of that money to invest in property, but I doubt they have enough money to support their many children for any length of time, even with them living in the home. Think food, cell phones and cars alone - that's a big chunk of change.

In real life most of these parents who are supporting their boomerang kids are putting off retirement and saving less money in order to support them. Their kids may not know this, but average american middle class parents don't have enough income permanently support their adult kids without changing their lifestyle to some degree. Without TLC JB & M will be no different and it appears to me the inlaw parents are no different now.

If TLC goes away anytime soon all of the adult Duggars and their spouses will have to scramble and get real jobs. And I'm guessing Michelle will not be willing to go back to 'the days of poor' to support her adult children.

I agree with everything you said, not to mention when Boob and Michelle finally go, whatever money's left is going to be divided 19 ways. None of the Duggar kids will ever be set for life off TLC or inheritance.

I don't think Jeremy has any interest in working a real job, but if push comes to shove he can do it. His biggest selling point is he's actually supported himself as an adult, whereas everyone else (minus Austin) has always been subsidized by Boob. 

Smuggana are going to be the worst off because they're the only ones with a child army and he's completely unemployable. 

[Churchhoney]

For the sake of the third-generation Duggarlings, I hope that the second-generation Duggarlings have as clear-eyed a view of the future as people around here have. 

I sometimes wonder how seriously any of them consider their future possibilities and options. 

[bythelake]

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't see how the Vuolo parents could afford to support Jing and Jer unless they moved in with them. He's a preacher and she's a part-time musician - they seem very middle class to me, which in this day and age is more lower middle class.

I don't think any of the parents can afford to support any of the adult marrieds unless they moved home and even then the adult marrieds would have to pitch in financially. And it would feel very different from the way they're living now. JB & M fell into TLC and have used some of that money to invest in property, but I doubt they have enough money to support their many children for any length of time, even with them living in the home. Think food, cell phones and cars alone - that's a big chunk of change.

In real life most of these parents who are supporting their boomerang kids are putting off retirement and saving less money in order to support them. Their kids may not know this, but average american middle class parents don't have enough income permanently support their adult kids without changing their lifestyle to some degree. Without TLC JB & M will be no different and it appears to me the inlaw parents are no different now.

If TLC goes away anytime soon all of the adult Duggars and their spouses will have to scramble and get real jobs. And I'm guessing Michelle will not be willing to go back to 'the days of poor' to support her adult children.

The last time I looked up Pastor Chuck was a couple years ago when I listened to his testimony about how he broke away from the Catholic Church. 

 At that time, he was preaching to a congregation in MD along with another pastor. They didn’t have a church per se, but were renting space in a local auditorium. The church is the New Life community church. Previously, he seemed to move around often and mostly to other small churches.

I have no idea if this is the most current, but if he is sharing responsibilities with another pastor he can’t be making that much money. He’s also 67 now, eligible for SS and Medicare.

I think  they are far from wealthy, but with Diana’s performances and the 2 other children out of the house, they’re  probably paying the bills.

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

For the sake of the third-generation Duggarlings, I hope that the second-generation Duggarlings have as clear-eyed a view of the future as people around here have. 

I sometimes wonder how seriously any of them consider their future possibilities and options. 

I believe Jessa reads these boards. Not sure if she shares the info to help out her siblings or withholds it to sabotage them though. But Jessa does seem to respond to some of our comments.

So start saving Jessa, maybe keep the number of offspring to under 5 and maybe think of starting a Fundy day care or something. And becuase this is Jinger's thread, maybe suggest to Jinger to learn how to do family portraits and baby photo shoots.

[doodlebug]

24 minutes ago, bythelake said:

The last time I looked up Pastor Chuck was a couple years ago when I listened to his testimony about how he broke away from the Catholic Church. 

 At that time, he was preaching to a congregation in MD along with another pastor. They didn’t have a church per se, but were renting space in a local auditorium. The church is the New Life community church. Previously, he seemed to move around often and mostly to other small churches.

I have no idea if this is the most current, but if he is sharing responsibilities with another pastor he can’t be making that much money. He’s also 67 now, eligible for SS and Medicare.

I think  they are far from wealthy, but with Diana’s performances and the 2 other children out of the house, they’re  probably paying the bills.

Chuck has never worked for a mainstream denomination nor has he ever been part of a megachurch; so it is doubtful he has any sort of retirement plan/pension other than what he managed to save on his own.  Diana seems to have mainly done part-time, free lance work, so it is unlikely she has any retirement plan from that.  Even if they were very frugal and saved a lot over the years, they still would've never made a huge income and it is unlikely they have a huge nest egg.  I seriously doubt that they have the sort of savings that could support their adult son and his family for any length of time; even if they all lived together. 

When the show ends, I suspect that many of the kids will go about earning a living the same way their parents did before TV: running around to various fundie churches and religious organizations with their hands out, expecting to be supported because they are so special to God.  See also: Jill Rodrigues.