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2 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

 

4 pages and NO ONE CARED about Carole and her "hangrey"  WTF is that ......baby talk for "hungry"  Grow the Fuck up Carole.  

Hangry isn't baby talk. It's when you're so hungry you're irritable. Hungry + angry = hangry. All of these women are hangry all the time. 

How has no one mentioned what John was wearing last night? dr. Evil jacket and blue satin sweatpants?? Ugh. He's awful. 

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Obviously Bravo told Ramona to show up, whether they had her bring Rey on their suggestion or only hers is the only question.  It's not a private party when Bravo is filming there, with camera crews and sound and lighting people all there.  It's a work shoot.

John wanted the free publicity and perhaps the fame, he should have watched a few episodes first, you play, you pay on Bravo.  His ego is obviously huge, so he thought he could play them and his natural charm (ahem) bolstered by plenty of drinks and possibly other substances are showing him about now that he's completely out of his league.

He had every right, and perhaps even duty, to have Ramona and Rey escorted out.  A gentleman would have quietly told the bouncers to do that.  But no, John wanted his camera time or to throw his weight around and once more, looks like the thug he is.  Dorinda dear, make up your GD'd mind, you can't tell him he's disgusting and you are done on second, and be right back with him a few minutes later drunkenly accusing others of not getting him.  Believe me when I say, we get him.  So do your coworkers.

Also, when the fuck did this become the John show?  Is that man carrying an apple?  He's on every single episode, usually multiple times. 

@ottergirl Your post was a thing of beauty, seriously stunning. 

Sonja is getting more Grey Gardens by the second, I wonder how many mortgages that town house has on it now?  Maybe if she was a squirter too, she would have already landed a new husband?

This clip showed some good stuff about Bethenny's work ethic and gratitude to Bravo.  Also it reminded me of one tip I learned and still use from Bethenny's cookbook!  She uses oatflour instead of only plain flour in many of her cookie/muffin recipes, so now I do as well, still.  They not only taste better, but it's healthier.  Also, she said "Just take outmeal and put it in your blender/food processor to make you own if you don't want to pay the high prices or it isn't available at your stores."   http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/blogs/bethenny-frankel/this-is-one-of-the-recipes-that-put

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15 hours ago, Umbelina said:

Reading the comments here before I watched, and I really don't get it.  Bethenny was very direct, and in the right as well, and wasn't screaming or physically intimidating as I expected from what I read here.  She laid it out with no more bullshit.  It was a "this is the deal" and I'm no longer dealing with you.

Sonja "just wants to get back where she was?"  Yeah, that's just one of your problems lady.  You will never, in any universe EVER get back to where you were, because where you were wasn't you.  It was JP Morgan's money, and you pissed that relationship away.

Cry me a river...

Bethenny's blog

Sonja's isn't up yet.

I'm not really a fan of Bethenny's, but I think this confrontation with Sonja has been building for a long time.  Last season, Bethenny tried to be reasonable with Sonja and was very compassionate - almost nurturing - with her.  I don't know if Sonja doesn't speak English or what, but there were times last season when I wished that I could reach through the TV screen, hold her still, make her look me in the eyes and tell her, "Stop, listen to me, and repeat back to me so I know that you understand!"

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Last week I hadn't even yet consider that there was more to Bethenny's issue with Sonja's new business venture. Based on branding and having similar affiliation due to the HW franchise, I thought it was understandable enough that Bethenny wasn't having it. This week I'm reminded that Bethenny gave Sonja the behind the scenes of her company in an effort to inspire her and show her the kind of creativity and grittiness needed to succeed in the business world. Now I definitely can't judge Bethenny for taking greater slight to Sonja's business decision. I wouldn't like it if someone who was trying to befriend and help turned around and used my example of inspiration to go out there and put their name on a product that was intended to be my competition. I think Sonja's business partner were being cutthroat, I think Sonja was thinking it was more innocent and would be received well by Bethenny. Sonja is too flighty and she hasn't done anything in her several years on screen to make me think that she's smart enough to be that strategic about anything. Sonja doesn't get a free pass in life because she's going through money issues all the while she lives in a huge house in the city that she refuses to sell. Sonja wants a get rich quick remedy to maintain her lavish living just as much as she wants to pay for her daughter's education. By the way, her apartment could use some upgrading but it is a nice little spot for guests - has everything you would need. 

Ramona is an idiot...I wish she'd try to prove me wrong. First, the revelation about Luann was something far too intimate to reveal on camera about a 'friend'. You also don't stick around at a party to entertain a really crazy drunk man because you want him to gossip about your 'friend'. For the most part I think Ramona is more guilty of being stupid than malicious but sometimes, she's definitely malicious. John had every right to throw the guy out and Ramona had no business jumping in to make a scene. Between the two of them, Ramona is the one that comes out looking like the biggest fool of all. While John certainly wasn't a gentleman for repeatedly shoving his hand in her face, there are far worse things to someone and between anger and alcohol, he showed a level of restraint that I'm not going to spend the time to rag on him for it. 

Carole is pretty annoying and I based on next week's episode, we're going to be reminded once again that she'd rather not be around Luann. Stop being so damn petty. If you don't want to be around someone that badly, then fuck off and don't go to any event that you think she might show up at. Instead you can't help but want to jump on Bethenny's coattails but remind everyone that you don't like Luann. Shut the hell up already.

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17 hours ago, Jade Foxx said:

And, to me, what was the worse thing was that Bethenny ripped into Sonja in front of the Skinnygirl employees.  That was wrong, rude and unforgiveable.  Bethnny said that apartment office had a conference room and a bedroom - why not have that very harsh and personal conversation away from her employees - was this a Bethenny power play?  "See, girls, see how powerful I am - I can make a grown woman cry"...it was pathetic on Bethenny's part.   

That's what stuck out to me as well. If I were one of Bethenny's employees, I would polish up my resume and try to GTFO of there with the quickness. I wouldn't be surprised if she chews out her employees publicly. You know they were gchatting with each other during that argument.

I can be a sucker for tears, so I felt bad for Sonja, too. However, it's crazy that she didn't pump the brakes on the name since it is close to home; especially since it's in the same booze family. That'd be like a tech company naming themselves Golden Delicious and then playing coy when Apple lawyer's up.

That drunk ass dude was too damn much, but his slurring of TRAAAAASH did make me laugh. Next time, Lu, get yourself a hitachi magic wand and don't bang disrespectful famewhores.

I was with John on tossing Ramona's ass out of the party, though I do agree that he didn't have to tell her to talk to the hand. I don't think Freud could make sense of Dorinda and John's relationship. One minute she's affectionate, the next she's disgusted. I don't understand how either of them put up with each other for three years. That constant push/pull shit is working my nerves and they've only been on the show for a year. I can't.

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Wait in Sonja's blog where she lists the ways she has grown she lists "quit drinking,"  when and for how long? Like an hour on a Tuesday morning.

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 I will agree with Sonja that there is no reason to have the heat on in that part of the house, but, really?

Actually, there's a good reason; in the Northeast winter can be seriously cold and leaving a house or part of one unheated can cause frozen/broken pipes which can cause major damage, possible water damage and cost a fortune to repair. Trust me--been there, done that. Granted you don't have to keep the heat at tropical levels but leaving the thermostat st at least 60 is recommended. Okay, last winter (when this was filmed) was relatively mild but we still had some cold days and colder nights. No, 60 isn't toasty but it's doable with sweaters and layers. I'd also hope that--at the very least--a space heater or two could be engaged to take the edge off.

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Just reading Sonja's blog.  Hmmmmm.    She's assuming if B had been at Sonja's birthday when she launched TG, Bethenney would have been fine with it.   Excuse me?  Has she met Bethenney????  For as bad as her confrontation w/B was, it at least gave B time to gather her thoughts, decide on a very planned out way of approaching her conversation (as brutal as S thinks it was).     I also HATE when S says "I've known them for ------ long", and this time implying she knew them from the restaurant biz.   Uh would that be when you were a hostess?    Having the words "legitimate business" coming out of her mouth is laughable.    Of course S dropped B's name, like she does everybody's name, if she thinks it will help her out.   I can almost hear her tell that guy Peter, that B has been mentoring her, and surely she would help promote the proseco. 

The rest just is sad and delusional.  She's not listening, not learning, not moving forward.  There are no businesses, no investors, no money.    She feels the entire discussion w/B was because she hurt B's feelings.    S is the master at exaggerating nothing, and diminishing what's important.  

It's sad to think that what little we see of S, and knowing how completely delusional she is, that her X perhaps had to step in to remove her daughter to a boarding school (another move that S would take as prestige move) to keep her away.   This child does and will live a privileged life, but it won't ever be when she's with her mother.   Peek into the future, and her daughter will come home, less & less as she gets older, only to find the townhouse more and more Grey Gardens. . . . no running water, no heat, etc.

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Well, that was one train wreck of an episode! 

I guess I get where Bethenny is coming from with Sonja but honestly, I don't think she has anything to fear, Sonja's other businesses never went anywhere so this wine one probably won't either. Tipsy Girl/Skinny Girl, yes they sound alike but so does Skinny Cow/Skinny Girl, and Bethenny flipped out when John insinuated she copied that brand.

Why did Jules and her husband have kids? They want a nanny to raise them because Jules is busy doing what? all day long? 

That Rey guy was a hot mess! Lu must have really, really been having a dry spell to have dated him! Ramona was wrong to engage with this guy and of course when Dorinda was telling her off Ramona once again says 'I'm sorry, it's not my fault'! That's getting more than old.

This bunch of women talk about the most disgusting things, squirting and vag. rejuvenatation surgery. Yuck! Like Rey would say 'shut up'! 

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8 hours ago, HumblePi said:

John was referring to the brand of low calorie ice cream treats created by Marc Wexler and Sam Pugliese called 'Skinny Cow'. And wow, didn't Bethenny throw a fit over that? "You're a cow, I'm a girl" she said. Sonja should have said to Bethenny 'You're skinny, and I'm tipsy, so what?'

Exactly! Bethany isn't that original with SkinnyGirl. There is a new product called Organic Girl. Is Bethany going to call them and scream your a "cheater" brand to them?

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5 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

 

My thing is that if it was just about skinnygirl and tipsy girl occupying the same industry than there would be precious little that Sonja or anyone could market if B had her way. Has anyone been to the us trademark site and actually searched for what B and her team have researched the name with? Well, I have and it appears to be EVERYTHING. I cut and pasted the categories B and her team registered to use the skinnygirl tradename str8 from the US patent and trademark site:

- Luggage; all-purpose carrying bags; suitcases; duffle bags; wheeled duffle bags; carry-on bags; sport bags; traveling bags; backpacks; messenger bags; garment bags for travel; overnight bags; cosmetics bags and organizers sold empty; toiletry cases sold empty; luggage straps; luggage tags; animal carriers (bags); luggage inserts, namely, packing cubes

- Alcoholic cocktail mixes; prepared alcoholic cocktail; prepared wine cocktails; wine; wine-based drinks; spirits (beverages); vodka; alcoholic mixed beverages except beers

- flavor enhancers used in beverage products; flavorings other than essential oils for beverages.

- Toasters; electric griddles; automatic bread-making machines for domestic use; electric coffee makers; electric Dutch ovens; electric grills; electric kettles; electric panini makers; electric popcorn poppers; electric pressure cookers; electric rice cooker; electric rotisseries; electric slow cookers; electric toaster ovens; electric waffle makers; electric woks; water purification and filtration apparatus; soda and carbonated beverage making machines; electric food steamer

- Hair bleaching preparations; hair care preparations; hair care products, namely, heat protection sprays; hair color; hair shampoos and conditioners; hair gel and hair mousse; hair glaze; hair masks; hair oils; hair sprays; hair styling fixative in the nature of hair wax; hair texturizers; cosmetics; lipstick; eye makeup; blush; mascara; cosmetic pencils; foundation make-up; face powder; concealers for the eyes or face; eye shadow; eye liner

- luncheon meats; processed meats; ready to eat meals consisting primarily of meat and cheese; refrigerated food package combinations consisting primarily of meat and cheese; frozen breakfast entrees consisting of egg, meat, cheese and bread; pre-cooked eggs, namely, omelets, frittatas; frozen meals consisting primarily of eggs; breakfast sandwiches; sausage-egg and cheese sandwiches

- shakes

- Coffee; tea; herbal tea; tea pods; Caffeine-free coffee; Caffeine-free tea; Coffee pods.

- Hummus; caponata; bean dips; dairy-based dip; potato chips; sweet potatoe chips; vegetable chips; snack food dip; food package combinations consisting primarily of one or more of the following, namely, vegetable chips, tortilla chips, pita chips, pretzel chips, crackers, baked sweet potato chips, and also including a snack food dip or sauce, namely, salsa, hummus, caponata, bean dip, or yogurt dip; cheese and cracker combinations

- Salad dressings; cereal based snack food; chocolates and chocolate based ready to eat candies and snacks; corn-based snack foods; grain-based snack foods; granola-based snack bars; multigrain-based snack foods; flavor-coated popped popcorn; microwave popcorn; tortilla chips; popcorn

- Non-alcoholic beverages, namely, carbonated beverages; non-alcoholic beverages containing fruit juices. 

- Exercise equipment, namely, exercise bands; exercise weights; personal exercise mats

- Nutritional bars for use as a meal replacement; nutritional shakes for use as a meal replacement; meal replacement snacks

- Entertainment services rendered through the medium of television in the nature of a variety talk show series

- Cookware, namely, non-stick bake ware sets consisting of baking pans, cake pans, muffin pans and cookie sheets; baking pans; cookie sheets; fruit pop ice molds; waffle irons; cookie cutters; cooking and kitchen utensils, namely, rolling pins, spatula, strainers, whisks, pastry cutters, bake ware, wire cooling racks for baked goods, pastry brushes, flour sifters, mixing spoons, cookie dough scoop, muffin tins, ice cream scoops, mixing bowls, non-stick roasting pans, loaf pans, non-stick baking mats; cookware for use in microwave ovens; cookware, namely, pots and pans, roasting pans, steamers; shot glasses; drinking glasses; drinking glasses, namely, tumblers; glass beverage ware; wine glasses; cocktail shakers; cocktail stirrers; cocktail strainers; pitchers; collapsible fabric storage container for domestic use; collapsible storage containers for domestic use; plastic storage containers for household or domestic use

- Natural sweetener

- Shapewear, namely, bodysuits, leg shapers and leggings; intimates, namely, bras, camisoles, panties, slips, lingerie, thongs and boy shorts

-Skincare products, namely, facial cleansers, facial exfoliants, facial toners, facial creams, facial lotions, facial moisturizers, facial emulsions, facial masks, facial scrubs, anti-aging creams and lotions, anti-wrinkle creams, lotions and skin conditioners; lip gloss; make-up; aromatic body care products, namely, body lotion, shower gel, non-medicated lip balm, soap, body polish, body and foot scrub; body and beauty care cosmetics; face and body creams; fragrances and perfumes

- aprons; t-shirts; caps

I mean, I get it but seems unreasonable  to be a squatter over such two generic words mashed together. 

I think this list shows the Bethenny really is a good business woman and/or has excellent advisors. She slapped her trademark on every product that she could possibly conceive of producing. It shows that she is thinking ahead , I think that's pretty smart. Contrast that to Sonja and the Nigerian Football team, the Saudi Royal family and the ever popular gold and diamond collection ( collection of what I don't know) that never seems to materialize . 

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I still detest Bethenny and I wish she would just disappear.  I loved how Sonja didn't give into Bethenny's nastiness.  Bethenny is a nasty, awful human being who only cares about herself, she's the real narcissist; I can see her falling into the lake because she fell in love with her own reflection.   Yes Bethenny you own the words "skinny" and "girl" you own the world; what a disgusting person she is.  I hope her husband takes her to the cleaners.

And Jules, what a waste of space; plenty of women take care of their children WITHOUT a nanny, besides, why the hell does she need a nanny if she doesn't work all day?  And did she actually say "Latino flavor?" what a witch.

Were Ramona and Dorinda at the Sarabeths on Madison Avenue?  I love that one, and I think I sat upstairs too.

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29 minutes ago, Fuzzysox said:

Exactly! Bethany isn't that original with SkinnyGirl. There is a new product called Organic Girl. Is Bethany going to call them and scream your a "cheater" brand to them?

Probably not, unless of course the gal who started it is on the show with her, was mentored by her, introduced to people in the industry by her, and created a brand to compete against hers. 

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What the hell is wrong with Ramona, drugs, liquor?  That ex of LuAnn's was drunk and crazy and Ramona was sticking up for that creep?  Ramona   wasn't even invited to John's event, what were she and her hair extensions doing there in the first place?

IMO Sonja is a fun drunk, but Ramona's a mean drunk.

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It wasn't a charity or a typical Sonja In the City event with wall-to-wall professional cameras.


 

I got this far into Sonja's blog and had to stop. There's no way this is delusion.  It's lies. 

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15 hours ago, charmed1 said:

Carole, one thing that you need to understand about cats is that whatever you're currently reading (books, papers, laptop, church newsletter, etc) is their bed. All those papers on the floor were just a posturepedic for Vinnie. 

If I had to hear Carole say "Kih-IN" (as opposed to kitten) one more time I was going to scratch somebody's eyes out.  I don't think Adam's sexy at all - he's just really tall and skinny and dirty looking with a man bun.  I don't get the appeal. 

I'm sure I may be in the minority here but I didn't think Bethenny's take down of Sonja was so epic.  I mean, B had plenty of time to map/think out exactly what she was going to say to Sonja and how she was going to say it, how she was going to execute the speech, probably several hours to rehearse and practice, etc. 

On top of that, Sonja was walking blindly into the situation and seemed to have no idea what was about to go down so, no, I don't think Bethenny's all amazing or whatever.  It just wasn't a fair fight from the get-go.  Then once Bethenny got started she controlled the entire situation by telling Sonja not to talk and just let her speak.  When it was supposedly Sonja's turn to talk, Bethenny basically shut her down.  It was not a fair fight IMO.

I may be biased though because I really hate Bethenny.

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20 hours ago, Teddybear said:

 

 

20 hours ago, Teddybear said:

Can Carole not pronounce the letter t? 

I think saying, "Ki-en" is Carole trying to be girlish.  Made me embarrassed for her.

also, did you all catch a glimpse of Adam's profile?  Not good.

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I think saying, "Ki-en" is Carole trying to be girlish.  Made me embarrassed for her.

All of this ignorance on how to pronounce kitten, Carole was pronouncing it right. lol Damn this country is too big and those who actually pronounce kitten with a hard t should be removed from the Union. Easy to spot the none native to NE viewers from their confusion (delusion). It makes me irritated and nauseous just trying to say the tt that way myself. :) It sounds English that way. Next I'll find out there are people in this country who pronounce the t in Katie. ugh!

Anyway, Baby and that ki-en were so fucking cute! I wanted more of that and less drunken bullshit.

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Enough of my "kitten", er, ki-en rant!~ Baby and lil' ki-en were so damned darling I could not stand it.  Adam was right - they should adopt the kitty not just be foster parents!  And they probably will be keeping the cat because giving her back to where ever they got it, well, Baby will have NONE of that! (and you know no one puts Baby in the corner!)

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It was interesting to see Carole writing again. Even if it is another phony project. 

You would think she could get something going as she obvious has access to the best ghost writers.

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Sonja got a good divorce settlement out of Old Man Morgan. She just pissed it away on legal fees and the lawsuit. Her kind of squirting.

 

The only way I can believe that Sonja was clueless that she was walking into a confrontation with Bethenny is if production was bending over backwards to convince her otherwise. In an actual situation it would have been crappy for B to unload on Sonja in front of her worker bees but even if they had gone into the conference room there would have been an audience with the crew and it was being filmed. I didn't see any actual tears just someone doing the you're making me cry act when someone was holding their feet to the fire. 

 

I thought John showed restraint with productions dancing monkey Ramoma. I don't know how much all the players were in on what happened. Luann seemed to be truly rattled and her hightailing it seemed real not one of Dorinda's crying exits. I really don't know why John a man with a successful business would want to risk his reputation camera whoring on a show like this. 

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Bethenny briefly mentioned last night's episode in a SnapChat post today. She didn't say much, but she said again that she doesn't like it when people "fuck with [her] business" but also that she didn't like it when people use her as a storyline on a TV show. The way she said it made me wonder if Sonja was ever serious about Tipsy Girl or if she did know it would set B off and she was needling her on purpose to stay relevant. Kristen seemed to attempt that tactic (fight with Bethenny, since Bethenny had no interest in being her friend and doing one of those two was the only way to get camera time) without success, but maybe Sonja knows the real button to press is the business button. Not that Sonja didn't care about the prosecco at all, but maybe it was the kind of thing that seemed to be storyline motivated first and if it happened to work out as a successful business venture it would just be icing. 

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6 minutes ago, 100PercentPain said:

Bethenny briefly mentioned last night's episode in a SnapChat post today. She didn't say much, but she said again that she doesn't like it when people "fuck with [her] business" but also that she didn't like it when people use her as a storyline on a TV show. The way she said it made me wonder if Sonja was ever serious about Tipsy Girl or if she did know it would set B off and she was needling her on purpose to stay relevant. Kristen seemed to attempt that tactic (fight with Bethenny, since Bethenny had no interest in being her friend and doing one of those two was the only way to get camera time) without success, but maybe Sonja knows the real button to press is the business button. Not that Sonja didn't care about the prosecco at all, but maybe it was the kind of thing that seemed to be storyline motivated first and if it happened to work out as a successful business venture it would just be icing. 

Funny, that Bethenny is so funny considering how she stuck her nose into Heather's business last season for a storyline, critiquing her and giving her unsolicited "sage" design/business advice and don't forget her comments about Kristen's nail polish last season either. Yep, don't mess with Bethenny's business but she can mess with yours. LOL

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19 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Funny, that Bethenny is so funny considering how she stuck her nose into Heather's business last season for a storyline, critiquing her and giving her unsolicited "sage" design/business advice and don't forget her comments about Kristen's nail polish last season either. Yep, don't mess with Bethenny's business but she can mess with yours. LOL

She is definitely a walking double standard, that Bethenny. 

Actually, her tendency to do just that is probably why she's quick to assume that's what Sonja is doing. It's what she knows.

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11 minutes ago, 100PercentPain said:

She is definitely a walking double standard, that Bethenny. 

Actually, her tendency to do just that is probably why she's quick to assume that's what Sonja is doing. It's what she knows.

Bethenny does think everyone else is like her except when it comes to business. In her mind no one else is as smart or as successful as she is, nor ever will be. Which is why she is alone and always will be except for Bryn. 

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16 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Funny, that Bethenny is so funny considering how she stuck her nose into Heather's business last season for a storyline, critiquing her and giving her unsolicited "sage" design/business advice and don't forget her comments about Kristen's nail polish last season either. Yep, don't mess with Bethenny's business but she can mess with yours. LOL

 

6 minutes ago, 100PercentPain said:

She is definitely a walking double standard, that Bethenny. 

Yes!  Double standard but unfortunately Beth doesn't see it that way because she thinks she's 'the' business expert and they are somehow 'blessed' for getting her feed back.

Funny.  Big discussion about Carole and her pronunciation of the word 'kitten'.  I didn't even notice it when I watched.  I've never even heard anyone pronounce the word as 'kit ten'.  And yes, grammatically, that would be the correct way.  A little off topic:  To those who are criticizing, where are you from?  Serious question.  I love hearing the correct pronunciation of words.  American English has decimated the language in so many ways.  Anyone ever watch Mike Holmes on DIY or any Canadian shows.  They pronounce the vast majority of English words grammatically correct.  And so do Britain's.   Maybe if Americans took note they would have a better understanding of how the English language works. 

Lisa V calls Yolanda 'Yo land a' - which is correct grammatically.  The other women call her 'Yo lon der' which is not.

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Maybe Jules just wants her children to have the opportunity of growing up bilingual.  What's wrong with that?

1) The child's father speaks Spanish so HE can speak to her in Spanish and she'd learn it

2) Does Jules want the nanny to TEACH the child Spanish -- or SPEAK to the child in Spanish -- which is two different things. If all she's doing is speaking to the child in Spanish. I'm sure the nanny should do that. -- NOthing you say to a toddle is so deep or complicated that the nanny wouldn't know that or have that level of conversation with the child. That nanny's Spanish was more than conversational enough for any things she'd say to the child -- who she wouldn't be intimidated by when speaking -- where as she likely did feel intimidated by Jules and her husband in an interview situation.

3) I'm over Jules. Done with her. Her "enough with the Spanglish" was a very ignorant thing to say. And came off in a very "I'm superior," manner. Who the hell is she to look down on people?

Bring back Aviva and Heather!

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51 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

 

Yes!  Double standard but unfortunately Beth doesn't see it that way because she thinks she's 'the' business expert and they are somehow 'blessed' for getting her feed back.

Funny.  Big discussion about Carole and her pronunciation of the word 'kitten'.  I didn't even notice it when I watched.  I've never even heard anyone pronounce the word as 'kit ten'.  And yes, grammatically, that would be the correct way.  A little off topic:  To those who are criticizing, where are you from?  Serious question.  I love hearing the correct pronunciation of words.  American English has decimated the language in so many ways.  Anyone ever watch Mike Holmes on DIY or any Canadian shows.  They pronounce the vast majority of English words grammatically correct.  And so do Britain's.   Maybe if Americans took note they would have a better understanding of how the English language works. 

Lisa V calls Yolanda 'Yo land a' - which is correct grammatically.  The other women call her 'Yo lon der' which is not.

I would hesitate to call sounds grammatically correct. Grammar refers to all of the rules of a language: sentence structure, plurals, verb agreement and tenses, syntax, and sounds. Phonology and sounds are a part of grammar, but they aren't what most people would typically think of grammar especially since pronunciation is the most labile part of language.

There is a decent amount of evidence that the British accent changed a bit after the revolutionary war. There is also evidence that American cities and colonies with close ties to Britain copied some of those accent changes. Additionally, America is a multi ethnic culture with a lot of different languages impacting both pronunciation of words and the actual structure of sentences and phrases. As you get into the first section of the Midwest, you get a lot of language influence from the Scotch-Irish. We also have influence from Native Americans, Spanish, German, French, and African American Vernacular. Then there is the Asian and Native Hawaiian influence on the English spoken in Hawaii. Finally, to act like there is one correct way of saying something ignores the fact that languages always change. The industrial revolution and the black migration northward allowed more people's language and pronunciation to be influenced by African-American Vernacular. More recently, there is the Northern Cities Chain Shift, which is changing how certain vowel sounds are pronounced. American English is a polyglot. 

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25 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I would hesitate to call sounds grammatically correct. Grammar refers to all of the rules of a language: sentence structure, plurals, verb agreement and tenses, syntax, and sounds. Phonology and sounds are a part of grammar, but they aren't what most people would typically think of grammar especially since pronunciation is the most labile part of language.

There is a decent amount of evidence that the British accent changed a bit after the revolutionary war. There is also evidence that American cities and colonies with close ties to Britain copied some of those accent changes. Additionally, America is a multi ethnic culture with a lot of different languages impacting both pronunciation of words and the actual structure of sentences and phrases. As you get into the first section of the Midwest, you get a lot of language influence from the Scotch-Irish. We also have influence from Native Americans, Spanish, German, French, and African American Vernacular. Then there is the Asian and Native Hawaiian influence on the English spoken in Hawaii. Finally, to act like there is one correct way of saying something ignores the fact that languages always change. The industrial revolution and the black migration northward allowed more people's language and pronunciation to be influenced by African-American Vernacular. More recently, there is the Northern Cities Chain Shift, which is changing how certain vowel sounds are pronounced. American English is a polyglot. 

I'm not referring to what 'sounds' grammatically correct.  I'm referring to what is grammatically correct.  I do understand the influence of different cultures.  I do understand these influences.  However, these influences aren't correct.  And that's my point. 

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7 hours ago, jvr said:

All of this ignorance on how to pronounce kitten, Carole was pronouncing it right. lol Damn this country is too big and those who actually pronounce kitten with a hard t should be removed from the Union. Easy to spot the none native to NE viewers from their confusion (delusion). It makes me irritated and nauseous just trying to say the tt that way myself. :) It sounds English that way. Next I'll find out there are people in this country who pronounce the t in Katie. ugh!

Anyway, Baby and that ki-en were so fucking cute! I wanted more of that and less drunken bullshit.

I loved the scene with Carole and her kitten. I'm equal parts dog/cat person, and have always had both.  It has always interested me that lots of these HW's are pet lovers, but they only ever seem to have dogs (except the horrible Carlton). Oh, and Dina. What is up with that? I didn't even notice the way that Carole was pronouncing the word, and wonder if this has more to do with the fact that I really like her? No judgment here at all, because I notice irritants about the gals I don't like more than the ones that I do, but wonder if most people who found it annoying are people that in general don't like her? This is one of the things about these shows that I find fascinating. I think that often (just like in real life), we tend to note more things about the people that we don't like, while focusing on the things we find positive about the ones we do like. 

Anyway, I'm rooting for Carole and the kitten falling in love with each other. I always love it when a previously non-cat person moves over to my side. 

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I was one of the ones irritated by her pronunciation, and Mr. 100PercentPain (who was in the room but working on his laptop) noticed it enough to stop what he was doing and ask me why she was saying it like that. I'm from Ontario, Canada, he grew up in the Atlanta, GA area and now we live in NC. 

Maybe it's not the lack of a "t" sound so much as that it sounds like there's almost a pause between the two syllables AND she seems to emphasize both syllables equally. When I/we say it, it sounds more like KIT-ns. With Carole's pronunciation, you can hear that "eh" sound in the second half of the word very clearly. 

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I don't pronounce the t in kitten either nor does anyone I know here in the South. It's a BIG country people and different areas have different  sayings,pronunciations, foods,customs. Doesn't make anyone trying to be cute nor does it make them stupid. Just a regional thing.

John was entirely within his rights to throw out the Moaner and the sleazy guy. It was his party. And putting your hand in front of a drunk, screaming person is just saying "Stay back. Not going to touch you or fight you.But back off". But maybe I'm just low class because I've seen it used  in real life to. 

Beth defended her name and her BRAND and she was well within her rights to do so. If I struggled for years to build a business and cashed out big but still owned the name I'd be defending it to. As others have pointed out you can not have a similar name in the same PRODUCT. Skinny cow is cheese not wine. And you'd better believe if I stuck up a sign in front of a store calling my self Amazone with a "no prime required we ship for free" sign you think Amazon wouldn't be serving me up a cease and desist order pronto? Think my little business wouldn't hurt them? Of course it wouldn't! Doesn't mean I get to deceive people and basically piggyback off there success without doing squat myself. Sonja is just a lazy COW.

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8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Luann was not harsh about Rey at all.  I don't think they dated for a year since the photos were from 10 months ago (last summer) and Luann has been seeing her fiance since November/December of 2015.  She did say she had attended the amFAR event with him on WWHL.  Luann likes to date, she is open about it.  Now she is in a committed relationship.  You don't find a committed  relationship by sitting at home, or getting drunk and being kicked out of parties.

It is Ramona that should be called out as she said he was just a "f&ck" to Luann.  Ramona is so inappropriate. I think she just runs around gossiping about people and causing harm because she is such a bitter unhappy person.  I think Rey showed exactly why Luann moved on from dating him.

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2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I loved the scene with Carole and her kitten. I'm equal parts dog/cat person, and have always had both.  It has always interested me that lots of these HW's are pet lovers, but they only ever seem to have dogs (except the horrible Carlton). Oh, and Dina. What is up with that? I didn't even notice the way that Carole was pronouncing the word, and wonder if this has more to do with the fact that I really like her? No judgment here at all, because I notice irritants about the gals I don't like more than the ones that I do, but wonder if most people who found it annoying are people that in general don't like her? This is one of the things about these shows that I find fascinating. I think that often (just like in real life), we tend to note more things about the people that we don't like, while focusing on the things we find positive about the ones we do like. 

Anyway, I'm rooting for Carole and the kitten falling in love with each other. I always love it when a previously non-cat person moves over to my side. 

Do you think perhaps we don't see more cats is that cats tend to run and hide when strangers are in the house?  My cat would be disturbed with guys with cameras and bright lights-he might find a vantage point and do a little spying but he is definitely not down with a lot of noise and confusion.  My cat thinks he is pretty bad when out cruising the cul-de-sac, will follow along with us when I walk the dog and tends to become invisible cat with strangers in the house.  The kitten and Baby scenes were right up there with Kyle's dog Bambi.

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13 hours ago, Sheenieb said:

I can be a sucker for tears, so I felt bad for Sonja, too. However, it's crazy that she didn't pump the brakes on the name since it is close to home; especially since it's in the same booze family. That'd be like a tech company naming themselves Golden Delicious and then playing coy when Apple lawyer's up.

Thank you for providing my 2nd giggle of the day.   It's a perfect articulation of why/how the overall intention/interpretation can be more significant than the similarity of the words themselves. 

13 hours ago, Beden said:

Actually, there's a good reason; in the Northeast winter can be seriously cold and leaving a house or part of one unheated can cause frozen/broken pipes which can cause major damage, possible water damage and cost a fortune to repair. Trust me--been there, done that. Granted you don't have to keep the heat at tropical levels but leaving the thermostat st at least 60 is recommended. Okay, last winter (when this was filmed) was relatively mild but we still had some cold days and colder nights. No, 60 isn't toasty but it's doable with sweaters and layers. I'd also hope that--at the very least--a space heater or two could be engaged to take the edge off.

And, if your system is gas, it's honestly a negligible cost.  My place stays on 76 in bad winters.  The bill is $40 a month.  Now electric I'd get.  If her system is electric, in this part of the country, she should be placed on suicide watch.

12 hours ago, Fuzzysox said:

Exactly! Bethany isn't that original with SkinnyGirl. There is a new product called Organic Girl. Is Bethany going to call them and scream your a "cheater" brand to them?

MCM took the words out of my mouth (girl, there's a process-serve with a subpoena in your lobby right now for using my exact words) but, no.  The Google says Organic Girl sells salad-y stuff.  They could've called it Skinny Girl and still've been fine.

9 hours ago, 100PercentPain said:

She is definitely a walking double standard, that Bethenny. 

Actually, her tendency to do just that is probably why she's quick to assume that's what Sonja is doing. It's what she knows.

Or, or. That is exactly what Sonja is doing.     Beth can be extremely unlikable one moment to the next so it's not that hard for to be the default bad guy.   But including Heather, Kristen, Sonja's many businesses and each other housewife who has come out with a liquor product, she has never used the success of another by trading on anyone's fame and reputation other than her own.  What B said about Pop of Color was that Kristen was telling everybody the "name" of her company without first getting it trademarked so in theory ANYONE who'd heard it (like another shady housewife perhaps) could beat her to ownership of the mark.  What she'd said was to Kristen's benefit.   Yeah what a bitch she is for pointing out a really important step in retail enterprise.  What she said to Heather was that Yummie Tummmie should expand into fitness because women will spend a ton of money on shit that holds in their gut and they'll spend a ton of money on work out clothes, why not slay the market by coming out with a line that does both?   Highlighting stuff that might help her coworkers protect their brands and grow their business?  Fucking evil lol.   Heather and Kristen have a right to feel as proprietary about their businesses as Beth does about hers but, being that the suggestions she made to each of them were about expansion and protection of their businesses, what Sonja did to her isn't even close to analogous. 

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15 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I think Bethenny already knew through Ramona. I suspect that Peter offered Ramona a "partnership" with his new restaurants/wine and she turned him down knowing full well Bethenny would hit the roof. And, I go 1 step further and suspect that Ramona knew Sonja agreed to do it and she told Bethenny all about it to help secure her ties to B for next season.

I believe this story lends a great deal of credence to your theory.  http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/ramona-singer-original-tipsy-girl-bethenny-frankel-lashed-out/  Apparently, Ramona backed out at the last minute.

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Here is the video and accompanying story of Ramona complaining about being disinvited, "on her way out the door" to last week's surprise party thrown for Luann by her fiancé.  I think it is funny Ramona offered her apartment.  Really, they were doing to move the whole soiree at the beginning of the party.  Luann later came clean and said it wasn't the weather it had more to do with John and Dorinda being there.  Sounds to me like Luann's fiancé saw the episode and nixed Ramona.  http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/ramona-singer-disinvited-luann-delessep-birthday-party-rhony/

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Sonja and her Blanche Dubois act has worn thin enough with me that I didn't mind Bethenny ripping her a new one over the TipsyGirl stuff. I'd probably have a wee bit more sympathy if I didn't know the background story of her failed film production career.  But as it is, I'm currently playing Sonja the world's teeniest-tiniest violin. It's really small, you guys!  

John and Dorinda are like that couple you dread going out on a "group hang" with because you know there's gona be drama, tears, yelling, etc. Usually people outgrow it by the time they hit their mid 20s. But these 2 are in their 50s. To quote GOB, "Come on!" I seriously think they are in a toxic relationship and seem to bring out the worst in each other, and would be better off either single or with new partners.

I love "hangry" and find it quite apropos to describe the way I feel when mealtime (or snacktime!) has been significantly delayed.

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19 hours ago, njbchlover said:

 

I'm not always a fan of Bethenny's, but I do have to compliment her on having one of the quickest thinking brains I have ever seen.  She almost knows what someone is going to say before they say it, and she is ready with a comeback before the other person even gets the words out of their mouth.

I think that Bethenny's 'talent' for being able to rapid fire logical thoughts one after the other is a result of her upbringing. To say she grew up in a dysfunctional family would be an understatement. I think her self-defense mechanisms were developed and fine-tuned at a very young age. At very young ages, the only thing kids have in their vault of self-defense is their ability to speak up for themselves. Going back to the 'flight or fight' response, Bethenny chose to stand up for herself and fight, not with her hands but with her words. This was a child that grew up angry, bitter, defensive and abandoned. We shouldn't wonder why or how Bethenny ended up being a driven, hardened, unyielding personality.

“I never had a true childhood. There was a lot of destruction: alcohol abuse, eating disorders and violent fights" Bethenny’s father, well-known horse trainer Bobby Frankel, walked out on Bethenny and her mother, Bernadette Frankel, when the Real Housewife-to-be was just 4 years old. She moved in with Bobby in Los Angeles to escape her “extremely volatile” mother, but quickly realized it wasn’t the place for her when she saw that Bobby “lived a very hotshot life, full of drugs and young girls.” Bethenny recalls, “It wasn’t a life for a little girl. I was always at restaurants or at the racetrack.”

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1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is the video and accompanying story of Ramona complaining about being disinvited, "on her way out the door" to last week's surprise party thrown for Luann by her fiancé.  I think it is funny Ramona offered her apartment.  Really, they were doing to move the whole soiree at the beginning of the party.  Luann later came clean and said it wasn't the weather it had more to do with John and Dorinda being there.  Sounds to me like Luann's fiancé saw the episode and nixed Ramona.  http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/ramona-singer-disinvited-luann-delessep-birthday-party-rhony/

Bwah!  Classic Moaner. Welp, ya reap what ya sow, babe. 

I have to say I am digging her outfit in the video though. 

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13 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Funny, that Bethenny is so funny considering how she stuck her nose into Heather's business last season for a storyline, critiquing her and giving her unsolicited "sage" design/business advice and don't forget her comments about Kristen's nail polish last season either. Yep, don't mess with Bethenny's business but she can mess with yours. LOL

Bethenny stuck her nose in other people's business by giving them unsolicited advice on how to better/protect their business. She may have sounded like a know it all but she made good points about both their businesses. Bethenny invited Sonja into her world to help her understand the importance of branding and business and Sonja turned around and made herself Bethenny's competitor, having that information at her disposal. And to add insult to injury was to attach her name to a product that was similar sounding to Bethenny's. I don't see Bethenny and Sonja being guilty of the same offense here. Bethenny is brash and no-nonsense so no one should be surprised when Bethenny doesn't lay down and allowed to be made a fool.

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http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/blogs/kristen-taekman/kristen-why-is-bethenny-bad

Bethenny was not being helpful to Kristen, if she was trying to help she would have spoken to Kristen directly. Kristen's brand was already trademarked. Instead after getting caught gossiping and bad mouthing Kristen's product and Josh's expertise she refused to speak to Kristen.  Josh may be a jerk but he has had many years in the branding business. 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/blogs/heather-thomson/heather-bethenny-and-i-are

Again with Heather had put her active wear on the market and didn't ask or need Bethenny's advice.  In both cases Bethenny's insight was both unsolicited and incorrect and made it seem as if she was superior to the other ladies in her knowledge of their businesses. 

Bethenny can now opine about business all she wants she announced she has a business show coming out on Twitter.  If someone doesn't like her advice they can turn the channel.  Problem solved.  

39 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

 

   What B said about Pop of Color was that Kristen was telling everybody the "name" of her company without first getting it trademarked so in theory ANYONE who'd heard it (like another shady housewife perhaps) could beat her to ownership of the mark.  What she'd said was to Kristen's benefit.   Yeah what a bitch she is for pointing out a really important step in retail enterprise.  What she said to Heather was that Yummie Tummmie should expand into fitness because women will spend a ton of money on shit that holds in their gut and they'll spend a ton of money on work out clothes, why not slay the market by coming out with a line that does both?   Highlighting stuff that might help her coworkers protect their brands and grow their business?  Fucking evil lol.   Heather and Kristen have a right to feel as proprietary about their businesses as Beth does about hers but, being that the suggestions she made to each of them were about expansion and protection of their businesses, what Sonja did to her isn't even close to analogous. 

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I think Peter proposed the idea to Sonja, who is always looking to make a quick buck or garner back "her" fortune.  She didn't give a shit as to how it could possibly impact Bethenny's business or even if it would hurt Bethenny's feelings or even if it was just a shitty thing to do to someone who is supposed to be a friend.  Yes, I know they're probably not real friends, but even a co-worker or someone who's tried to help you gain insight into how a real business is run, you give them a slight tidbit of respect.  She didn't even have the guts to say oh this is going to happen ahead of time.  I'm guessing she was hoping that it would cause a blow up, as to garner more publicity for her product.  Everyone has walked on eggshells around Sonja or if they have not, then she had the entire group turn against that person (see Heather when she questioned her clothing line).  Sonja thought oh it'll just be swept under the rug, and I'll get some quick money, maybe this will be a hit.  What she conveniently forgot is that Bethenny worked years on building this brand, and was not going to say 'oh cute little delusional Sonja'.  Bethenny also set a line in the sand for anyone else, basically saying if you even try this, I will come for you. 

Sonja is just used to doing whatever and really not having to deal with consequences (except for that lawsuit and her ex not just dumping money her way).  I think she's nothing but a grafter and the whole Grey Gardens shit is just an act.  She can't afford to upgrade or have the best things any more; she knows that Grey Gardens has a cult following and is even kind of charming in its way.  So she's using that so she's just not broke; she's charming, a little delusional, almost iconic.  I think Bethenny finally got her attention and cut to the chase.

As far as Bethenny having her staff there - what is the big deal about that?  It was filmed for National TV - not like they weren't going to see it like the rest of us.  Not like any of their conversations are private as there is an entire film crew right there in their faces anyhow. 

Not a real Bethenny fan, but Sonja got every bit of what she deserved.

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43 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/blogs/kristen-taekman/kristen-why-is-bethenny-bad

Bethenny was not being helpful to Kristen, if she was trying to help she would have spoken to Kristen directly. Kristen's brand was already trademarked. Instead after getting caught gossiping and bad mouthing Kristen's product and Josh's expertise she refused to speak to Kristen.  Josh may be a jerk but he has had many years in the branding business. 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/blogs/heather-thomson/heather-bethenny-and-i-are

Again with Heather had put her active wear on the market and didn't ask or need Bethenny's advice.  In both cases Bethenny's insight was both unsolicited and incorrect and made it seem as if she was superior to the other ladies in her knowledge of their businesses. 

Bethenny can now opine about business all she wants she announced she has a business show coming out on Twitter.  If someone doesn't like her advice they can turn the channel.  Problem solved.  

According to her response at the time, we're both wrong:

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bethenny-frankel-kristen-taekman-denies-dumb-rhony/

I also don't see how suggesting something that might make a business more profitable exudes superiority but I guess it depends on how you feel about her to begin with.  She did stick her nose in where it wasn't requested.  The implication up thread was that being an unsolicited buddinsky is on par with piggybacking someone else's brand.  And it isn't.

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I think when Jules says she wants a nanny, what she really means is a personal assistant who also gets the kids out of her hair and raises them in a way that won't embarrass her, because she just wants "quality time" with her kids, after they are fed, bathed, exercised, and calm so she can pretend to admire their coloring or read them a few pages of a story, possibly to tuck them in if she's not out for the evening.  Honestly, I don't think The Nanny Diaries was that far off from what many women, specifically it seems in big cities such as NY, are like.

If they pay well enough, and offer perks like travel, they can keep their "nanny" but if someone offers them more money or actually simply wants a nanny because they actually go away to a job, depending on the nanny's preferences?  They are out of there.

I think it would be very difficult to be a "nanny" for a stay at home mom, for me personally at least.  Then again, would I do it if I got to travel everywhere, even if I did have to watch the kids from the moment they woke until the moment they were asleep, and also go do sample sales and blow outs?  Maybe, it would depend on the niceness of the mom or dad.  If I were only schlepping out to an unfinished house in the Hamptons with bratty kids because the parents undermine everything I try to do with things like Popsicles for dinner and candy on the car ride?  Not so much. 

Then there are other considerations, for example, does the family employ a cook and housekeeper, or are they expecting me to do all of that as well?

Something tells me with Jules?  It's all negatives.

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