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MJ is invigorated as she focuses on a new goal.  Elsewhere, Mike and Jessica begin therapy; Shervin tries to be in top form on a date with a sultry Australian; and stunning news about Mike is disclosed at a retirement party for Asa's mother.

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As much as I gripe about my mother at times, thank God I don't have Vida for a mother.  Yikes.  

So GG is all cured thanks to that intervention?  Whatever.

Asa really has no storyline, save for her businesses, so she has to insert her family - mother.  Was it actually a retirement party? Looked like another vehicle to get the gang together, so they could talk more about Reza's surprise wedding and Mike's marriage falling apart.  MJ, who was part of GG's intervention, is a sloppy drunk, who then doesn't know how to mind her own business.  Then she gets all po'd when they tell her to be quiet about Mike's marriage.  GG in her talking head was the voice of reason.  Yikes.

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Mj is just plain ridiculous. Mike needs to stop telling her things he doesn't want told to everyone. Either that or blab mj stuff. 

Glad gg is feeling better. It makes me think all her acting out was she just wanted attention from the group. Unless next ep she does another 180 again

Anyone else think the surprise wedding is going to implode on Reza. Not getting a good feeling about this

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21 minutes ago, tinaw said:

Anyone else think the surprise wedding is going to implode on Reza. Not getting a good feeling about this

I don't get a good feeling about most of the stuff this crew decides to do anymore :p

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Damn, MJ is a messy person. Can't she just keep her mouth shut about anything? She will never get married or have any children thanks in part to her relationship with her mother. She will become the Vida to her friends.

GG did look good at the dinner party and for once she wasn't drunk off her ass and causing trouble. I hope she can continue down this path.

The Mike and Jessica situation is sad in real life time. Too bad they are looking back at being married instead of looking forward to their life together.

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Shervin and GG just get together already.

Friends first, love next then marriage and some really good looking children!

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This bitch... chemo for RA? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  She's ridiculous.  Ok let me clarify... the meds are chemo meds, but we are not talking going in for hours of chemo treatment.  I take methotrexate, which is an old school cancer treatment that they found works for RA. It completely depresses the immune system, but, I'm not looking my hair, I'm not vomiting because of treatment.  It is exhausting.  I do get sick A LOT. I have to keep an eye out for any infection so I'm constantly watching any cuts.  

But the positive side... if you go to the er for ANYTHING and I mean anything, once they know you are on it,  l or enbrel, humIra, etc, you go to top of the list, and you see a doc within 10 min. 

But i don't wander around saying in on chemo.  Lol

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28 minutes ago, hatchetgirl said:

This bitch... chemo for RA? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  She's ridiculous.  Ok let me clarify... the meds are chemo meds, but we are not talking going in for hours of chemo treatment.  I take methotrexate, which is an old school cancer treatment that they found works for RA. It completely depresses the immune system, but, I'm not looking my hair, I'm not vomiting because of treatment.  It is exhausting.  I do get sick A LOT. I have to keep an eye out for any infection so I'm constantly watching any cuts.  

But the positive side... if you go to the er for ANYTHING and I mean anything, once they know you are on it,  l or enbrel, humIra, etc, you go to top of the list, and you see a doc within 10 min. 

But i don't wander around saying in on chemo.  Lol

Thanks for the info and insight into your experience with RA. 

My question is - should someone with an auto immune disorder stuff breast and butt implants into their body? Doesn't seem like the wisest decision (?) re GG. 

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15 minutes ago, Jade Foxx said:

Thanks for the info and insight into your experience with RA. 

My question is - should someone with an auto immune disorder stuff breast and butt implants into their body? Doesn't seem like the wisest decision (?) re GG. 

I wouldn't and I doubt a reputable doctor would, but, she's not taking the meds... if she was, all the liquor would compromise her lover so fast.  My doc said i can have a beer or wine every now and then.  When I first was on my meds, I figured I could go of dancing and drinking with loads of water.   2 weeks later I had my blood test and my doctor could tell I'd had a few drinks.  And we are talking, 2 cocktails. 

I would avoid unnecessary surgery.  Once I had an itch on my ear.  I scratched it. Within 48, I was in the er with the doc ready to put me in with iv antibiotics.  

There is NO cure for this.  It is a lifetime of delicate balance of meds.  I'm not on my full dosage right now and my inflammation rate is higher than I've ever seen it, and i feel it too. Hmmm maybe a posh salt bath wok "cure" me like Jenny McCarthy "cured" her son...  Lol

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I am amazed that Mike and Jessica agreed to allow even snippets of the meltdown of their short marriage to be filmed for the show. Especially Jessica. And on camera, they are not really saying what I understand happened: Mike fucked up  - - big time. He supposedly cheated on her post wedding, and she found the text exchanges with the woman, right? So they verbally dance around it on camera.  But the show editing emphasis seems to be on some idea that Jessica was controlling and Mike just couldn't adapt to his new found loss of bachelorhood freedom, because there is ZERO excuse for what he supposedly did. Again, I am amazed that Jessica (and those that support and advise her) agreed to this on-camera charade. Unless, it is show editing.

This young woman went to great lengths to be a wonderful wife and partner. Throughout the series, I was impressed at her willingness, her respectfulness, and her maturity (for being in her 20's).... to embrace Mikes's religion, his culture and traditions, and be so respectful of his family and parents. Shame, shame on him. He so publicly humiliated her and their families. I also keep thinking about both of their parents  -  - they must be devastated. Mike's traditional parents who he is so close to. And all that money wasted on such an extravagant wedding. Awful. Such a betrayal on Mike's part. I don't even know how he can face the cameras  -  - including when he was on WWHL recently.  Just awful. He needs to crawl away somewhere away from the cameras and do penance. But he surely needs the show paycheck. 

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I'm a cat person, so I kind of loved that party. I cracked up at Zinat referring to Barfy as her son.

Shervin's date was so odd looking. I doubt he met her standing in line anywhere. I think she's straight out of central casting.

The best part of the episode for me was Mike angrily picking up MJ's lost cat ears and barking, "This is a travesty! Here, put these on and show them to your boyfriend!" Mike and MJ's interactions are hilarious to me. 

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I actually think it's possible that Mike and Jessica will have a more successful marriage than Reza and Adam.

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6 hours ago, Bossa Nova said:

I am amazed that Mike and Jessica agreed to allow even snippets of the meltdown of their short marriage to be filmed for the show. Especially Jessica. And on camera, they are not really saying what I understand happened: Mike fucked up  - - big time. He supposedly cheated on her post wedding, and she found the text exchanges with the woman, right? So they verbally dance around it on camera.  But the show editing emphasis seems to be on some idea that Jessica was controlling and Mike just couldn't adapt to his new found loss of bachelorhood freedom, because there is ZERO excuse for what he supposedly did. Again, I am amazed that Jessica (and those that support and advise her) agreed to this on-camera charade. Unless, it is show editing.

This young woman went to great lengths to be a wonderful wife and partner. Throughout the series, I was impressed at her willingness, her respectfulness, and her maturity (for being in her 20's).... to embrace Mikes's religion, his culture and traditions, and be so respectful of his family and parents. Shame, shame on him. He so publicly humiliated her and their families. I also keep thinking about both of their parents  -  - they must be devastated. Mike's traditional parents who he is so close to. And all that money wasted on such an extravagant wedding. Awful. Such a betrayal on Mike's part. I don't even know how he can face the cameras  -  - including when he was on WWHL recently.  Just awful. He needs to crawl away somewhere away from the cameras and do penance. But he surely needs the show paycheck. 

X1000.

In one of these threads (shahs in the media, maybe?) the story/timeline seems to be that he cheated before the were married but after they were seeing each other and committed and she came across the texts after the wedding.  It always makes me wonder what the woman's impetus to start looking is.  Like was it a snoop of opportunity, he's in the shower and his phone notification window lights up or does he say or do something that triggers intuition that's already on code yellow..?  That mixed with how sloppy men are when they're dirty is fascinating to me.  Because yes, there no reason for the shit he did and (this is the part that would kill me if I got caught cheating) what the actual fuck are you keeping the receipts for?  Really, 2 year old texts?    

Bossa, my sister was watching the housewarming dinner episode with me and she said is that girl Persian?  I said no, but she's a damn good facsimile.  See the yummy treats in the pot?  She's on the phone with her mother in law right now, learning how to perfect each one of the dishes she's making for their Shabbat and she understands if not speaks Farsi and she converted to Judaism for him.   It didn't last though, she just filed.  She said what'd he do girl? (we're cynics lol) I said the usjz'  - she threw her arms up Spike Lee style and said after all she did to demonstrate that she was down? and be the PERFECT wife??  Wait, where's her family from?  I said they're Italian, she's the Fiji Water Co. heiress.  She said ok so he had to be vetted too right?  I shrugged.  She said what'd he do to meld with her culture?  I said apparently that ain't how that works, so he ain't do shit.  No, no, no wait there was that time he shared his dick with at least one other woman but that's frowned upon so, yeah divorcing.   Then we proceeded to debate the hypothetical reaction we'd have to finding out post hoc that our husband was a bastard. 

I hated but loved his description to Reza of what it's like when your wife leaves the house.  The place is a dirty mess, it's dark, there's no {{fingers to nose}} food cooking.   Hee hee.   Yeah dude, enjoy that.

MJ could probably murder somebody and I'd be like yeah ok because, Vida.

Asa we see you girl.  You been to Santo Domingo in the off season talking about you gone getchu a husband this year.  That ass is slaying dragons.

Just when I think Reza can't possibly get anymore narcissistic, in his TH, he goes we've been talking about a wedding forever, why wouldn't he want to marry me?    WWHL poll question was: surprising weddings, good idea or nah?  94% said nah.

I think GG takes comfort in being above the caliber of girl Shervin admittedly likes to date.  She might not be ready to admit that even when he's ready to be serious, he's never considered her.  It's gotta sting to walk around thinking you're hot shit when all the eligible, cute guys in your immediate circle pay you dust.    The way his date looks and her accent were such a disconnect to me lol, I kept waiting for her to slip up.   GG was right though, he has no game.  She agreed to go out with you, you already won and the best you can do is blow verbal spitballs at her hair?  Maybe buy some sexy women-magnet shoes from Mike.

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12 hours ago, tinaw said:

Anyone else think the surprise wedding is going to implode on Reza. Not getting a good feeling about this

I hope so. Nobody deserves it more than shit stirring, back stabbing Reza. 

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MJ's mom is vile, no doubt. Most everything she says about/ to MJ is true, though. MJ, stop proving your mom right!! 

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I guess Jessica should have known better than to expect Mike to change, but she's very young and honestly, she sacrificed a lot to be with him and he couldn't even get it together. She clearly didn't marry him for his money as he has none - she actually loved his dumbass.

Why do people tell MJ anything?!

Shervin was super awkward on the date, but I think he'll find his match in time.

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Z ! Great post. And your sister is smart ! I never thought of this:

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She said what'd he [Mike]  do to meld with her culture?

Unless we never saw anything he did on camera. You know when Jessica converted to Judaism and we saw that scene at the beach 2 seasons ago where she disrobes and goes into the water, and she was so moved to tears, it felt so genuine. I remember being moved  and I am not Jewish nor traditionally religious. Again, this young woman (I am old enough to be her mom) has shown great character and growing maturity on this show. I don't even focus on some of the childish, and perhaps at times petty displays of anger throughout the show with Mike's castmembers.  

Ironically Mike, on the other hand, is polar opposite to Jessica. He is a man-child. Wants all the traditional goals of wife, family, home, yet still indulges in boyish behavior. Cannot grow up and wants everything easy - career wise too. He is undisciplined, whereas Jessica is not. I suspect that as the oldest son in his family, with that 'charming' (go with me here) grin, he got away with alot. He was nurtured differently. He must have been the golden child. The other two brothers, if I recall correctly,  are not as 'handsome' but interestingly enough, they both have used their education and have careers as far as we know. One is a dentist. 

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15 minutes ago, Bossa Nova said:

Z ! Great post. And your sister is smart ! I never thought of this:

Unless we never saw anything he did on camera. You know when Jessica converted to Judaism and we saw that scene at the beach 2 seasons ago where she disrobes and goes into the water, and she was so moved to tears, it felt so genuine. I remember being moved  and I am not Jewish nor traditionally religious. Again, this young woman (I am old enough to be her mom) has shown great character and growing maturity on this show. I don't even focus on some of the childish, and perhaps at times petty displays of anger throughout the show with Mike's castmembers.  

Ironically Mike, on the other hand, is polar opposite to Jessica. He is a man-child. Wants all the traditional goals of wife, family, home, yet still indulges in boyish behavior. Cannot grow up and wants everything easy - career wise too. He is undisciplined, whereas Jessica is not. I suspect that as the oldest son in his family, with that 'charming' (go with me here) grin, he got away with alot. He was nurtured differently. He must have been the golden child. The other two brothers, if I recall correctly,  are not as 'handsome' but interestingly enough, they both have used their education and have careers as far as we know. One is a dentist. 

Thanks!  You know what?  Never occurred to me either.  I don't know why she asked because our family is from a very traditionally paternalistic culture as well.  Men just don't meld.  They don't have to, the woman does the changing.  Maybe we've been in America too long lol.

Charming.  I see you. ;)    Can't even deny it.  In my head he's Persian Mark Consuelos so a flash of all 52 choppers and I could see em being down for the count.   The first son in a traditional paternalistic family.  Oy.  We don't have the time to discuss all the varying types of special that is.  Add cute?  and you'd think these dudes would take full advantage of their opportunities.  Instead, if greatness happens, it's some kind of accident.   That no need to develop life skills that go beyond physical attributes thing looks like it can be a problem.  I still don't know what Jessica Simpson is famous for.

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14 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

Damn, MJ is a messy person. Can't she just keep her mouth shut about anything? She will never get married or have any children thanks in part to her relationship with her mother. She will become the Vida to her friends.

I don't get this comment since Vida managed to get married and have a child.

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I don't know what to think about all of this, and I don't even know why I am still watching this show, LOL!!

MJ was beyond drunk at that "retirement" party, and she was being rude.  Sometimes, I think she is no better than GG as far as drinking goes, but MJ gets sloppy and rude, where GG gets nasty and potentially violent.  Both are not good looks for anyone, ever.

Mike and Jessica - well, it didn't surprise me, because I always thought he was kind of an asshole anyway, but I do kind of feel badly for her, because she did so much to be accepted by his family, and it was exactly as she said to the counselor - she changed so much for Mike that she didn't know who she was anymore.

Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone here know if it is acceptable in the Persian culture (either old world Persian or modern day) for a husband to step out on his wife, or have affairs, or whatever?  I'm not making any excuses at all for Mike, but could he possibly use that as a defense of his actions?

One other thing - I thought that GG looked amazing in that red bathing suit at the salt spa - I think she has the best figure of them all!!  

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9 hours ago, charmed1 said:

I'm a cat person, so I kind of loved that party. I cracked up at Zinat referring to Barfy as her son.

Shervin's date was so odd looking. I doubt he met her standing in line anywhere. I think she's straight out of central casting.

The best part of the episode for me was Mike angrily picking up MJ's lost cat ears and barking, "This is a travesty! Here, put these on and show them to your boyfriend!" Mike and MJ's interactions are hilarious to me. 

That was really funny. I mean, Mike gave her the ears back, but he still helped her get into the car and tried to get her to drink water so she could sober up a bit. LOL. If there's one thing I can say about this group, they act like siblings who hate each other, but still care at the end of the day.

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1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone here know if it is acceptable in the Persian culture (either old world Persian or modern day) for a husband to step out on his wife, or have affairs, or whatever?  I'm not making any excuses at all for Mike, but could he possibly use that as a defense of his actions?

Yes, it's definitely part of the culture and is a giant problem when they marry an American woman.  Women from that culture (ones that were born in the middle east and moved here) expect it and have very different expectations of marriage than American women.  Their daughters that are born here, however are much more less likely to put up with it.

Also, someone needs to tell Sherv to stop reading reddit MRA forums to learn how to date.  I'm an old married woman and even I could see his super lame attempts at "negging" his date.  I really do wonder why he and GG aren't together, she was the only person at the dinner with his mom and brother.  It almost seemed like it was a "meet the family" type situation.

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They sure are giving Asa's family a lot of camera time this season. I'm just not feeling it. Is there nothing else going on? 

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Asa's mother, Zinat, is a funny character. I don't dislike her. But wow, she has had some really odd on camera embarrassing moments on the series. I always remember a viewer cringing moment about 2 seasons ago when Asa had her Diamond Water launch event. There was a red carpet, step and repeat photo op, Asa and her family had a brief stop for the cameras and be photographed moment, ....so her mother posed for the camera and attempted a very awkward masculine rapper/gangster pose. Trying to be cool. OMG. Then the yelling at traffic while Asa was driving 2 episodes ago. Then her attitude when Asa had the caftan beach photos done and Zinat was so bossy and yelling at the models - in such a crude way. Asa has great patience with her.

By the way, I think Asa's "assa" is all real. She not the type to get plastic surgery.  Anybody know if she is still with Germaine Jackson Jr. ? I knwo this was discussed a season or two ago, but have to ask again, ...where and how did she get that house of hers? I mean she has been there since the series beginning, so it wasn't Bravo money. Its a cool modern open concept house. 

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I've been waiting for Shervin's perfect persona to be shattered, and boy did  it ever. It's obvious that in life he's never had to do anything but show up and smile. He probably thought he was being cute with the teasing of her accent, but seriously, save that for at least date three once you've gotten past the pleasantries. I was cringing. Yeah, he's fine and yeah, he's got money, but if he can't hold a mature conversation, then why bother?

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2 hours ago, Bossa Nova said:

Asa's mother, Zinat, is a funny character. I don't dislike her. But wow, she has had some really odd on camera embarrassing moments on the series. I always remember a viewer cringing moment about 2 seasons ago when Asa had her Diamond Water launch event. There was a red carpet, step and repeat photo op, Asa and her family had a brief stop for the cameras and be photographed moment, ....so her mother posed for the camera and attempted a very awkward masculine rapper/gangster pose. Trying to be cool. OMG. Then the yelling at traffic while Asa was driving 2 episodes ago. Then her attitude when Asa had the caftan beach photos done and Zinat was so bossy and yelling at the models - in such a crude way. Asa has great patience with her.

By the way, I think Asa's "assa" is all real. She not the type to get plastic surgery.  Anybody know if she is still with Germaine Jackson Jr. ? I knwo this was discussed a season or two ago, but have to ask again, ...where and how did she get that house of hers? I mean she has been there since the series beginning, so it wasn't Bravo money. Its a cool modern open concept house. 

I'm having trouble finding a more comprehensive article I read when Shahs first came out but I think she got it with her ex Shaahin Cheyene who was not only a documentary filmmaker but apparently made a boatload of money selling herbal ecstacy. The article refers to Asa as an "artist" and we know she's not Jeff Koons so I always assumed he bought the property and she got it in the separation.  (Please if anyone knows the real deal, correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/25/home/hm-venice25  (the article)

http://www.latimes.com/style/la-hm.1025.hmvenice-pg-photogallery.html (photos of the house with captions)

 

I know it's really crass of me but I looked it up back in the day because I'm suspicious of how people are living in mansions if they don't seem to have a career and aren't trust fund babies. 

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9 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I hope so. Nobody deserves it more than shit stirring, back stabbing Reza. 

Amen to that

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It was nice to see that GG wasn't drunk on her ass at Asa's party. I had to laugh when she said (after they poured MJ into the car) "And they call me the crazy one?" She seems to have mellowed out a little since the camping trip intervention.

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I've also heard that Asa's house came from a previous relationship. I wonder if that's also where she got the money to fund her various businesses because she seems to have no real job, but she clearly came from a working class family.

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By the way, I think Asa's "assa" is all real. She not the type to get plastic surgery.  Anybody know if she is still with Germaine Jackson Jr. ? 

Yes they are still together. They became a couple in 2010. He wants no part of the show and is very private. I wonder if they get married how that will be included in the series.

im getting the vibe Asa might be testing the waters for a spin off with her family, like the many one's of Kandi from RH of ATLANTA family and businesses. 

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22 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

Shervin and GG just get together already.

Friends first, love next then marriage and some really good looking children!

Good looking with psychotic issues.

Shervin deserves someone better than GG. I wouldn't wish GG on any man. 

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I've been a bit obsessed with Mike and Jessica's marriage. Her mitzveh  on the beach actually made this jaded reality hound tear up. But Mike. It's all show and no go with him. He doesn't expect to put in any hard yards. He wants to be a 'successful business man' but if you asked him what business, what's your business plan, I'm sure he'd be dumbfounded.  'No, I wanna be in business? You know? ' So it's all leased luxury cars, stupid financial decisions to keep up appearances. Fake it til you make it is all very well but you have to be making something other than full side bus ads and bodgy shoes in the already saturated market. He simply doesn't have the name recognition. And it seems Jessica is not innocent either spending thousands on a dinner service at this stage. It would not surprise me at all if Mike refused to accept money from her parents due to some dumb ass patriarchal attitude he seems to cling to. The world is not your family, Mike. You're just another pretentious wannabe believing your looks and charm guarantee you a living. I saw a glimmer of hope for him when he reunited with Reza and apologised for and owned up to his laziness and lack of commitment to their joint venture. You could see Reza's doubt and discomfort over Mike trying to sell him on the bus wrap. Mike seemed to think that this was all he needed to do to start the big money rolling in. It didn't. Whatever else they are up to that's questionable, I believe Reza and MJ fully understand how hard they both need to work. Mj is still in an apartment. 

And poor sweet Jessica with her conversion to Judaism and her commitment to becoming a more traditional wife than most modern women would accept as fair. Contrast this with Mike's comments about the pigsty he now finds himself in lacking elaborate Persian/kosher meals on the table. I'd be insisting he showed enough respect to her effort to put his phone down at mealtimes too, especially given what she suspects is actually happening on the phone. Then Mike's veiled gleeful comments to Rez, who almost lost Adam due to his own fickle behavior, about how women are still throwing themselves at him. None of this augurs well for Mike and Jessica's marriage. Mike wants the little traditional wifey at home catering to his every need and also down with him feeding his considerable ego with sexual conquests. Jessica has made so many sacrifices in order to enrich their lives but Mike has spat on this by being the spoilt indulged brat he is. It's time to grow up. It's probably too late. I hope Jessica got him to sign a prenuptial protecting herself. She is apparently ready to walk with nothing including the gaudy and stupidly overpriced ring. 

I have recently converted to Golnesa's biggest fan. Poor angry hurt darling that she is. She's a lost child and Asa is her biggest support and role model. I utterly dislike her acting out with violence and knives etc, but one day she'll realise it's not necessary. She's deeply insecure and really quite ill. On top of that there's a warning. I got an autoimmune disease some years ago and it's manageable. BUT I was firmly warned that the pattern is often for another to swiftly follow if you don't change everything up. She doesn't know who she is, so like Mike she mimics 'ghetto aesthetics' and it just doesn't work. Glad she has Sherv. Was that a date Sherv was actively trying to fail with or a beard he was interviewing? Better still the very grounded Asa seems to also see her pain and refuse to be pushed away. I love Asa. 

Reza and Mike will end up desperate old unattractive sleazy men if they dont drop the belief they are entitled to 'persian boys will be boys'. Your spouses are not your parents! Don't make that mistake. 

Mj. Sorry for her and her Vida created issues. Behave the way you wish your Mum would behave. 

Mike wants Reza's success but assumes he doesn't have to do anything. Jessica has worked this out and is legitimately suspicious of Mike's 'phone business' which is probably what drove her to check. Her beating him running up the hill was probably a way of her trying to show him that  'dope' fitness wear and shoes don't actually count for zip when you compete. They don't make up for lazy and entitled. Very sad. 

Tommy is a real and easygoing human with a thick hide. Hope MJ doesn't just jettison his ass when he fills his purpose. That'd be cold.

I've wondered about Asa's gorgeous home and assistants myself and the big silence on her love life. Now I've read what I read I respect her more. But true also is that her constant family scenes are getting a little trying. She has an incredible ass which she carries beautifully without it becoming it's own storyline. 

I do love this show and what I learn about the culture history language and traditions. Salamatee and thankyou

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I don't understand the sudden "poor sweet Jessica" edit...she barreled through EVERY RED FLAG Mike threw out, she said she hated "these people" who are essentially Mike's family, she's was cheated on left and right before and after the marriage - every move she's made appears like a desperate young woman chasing Z list fame in exchange for her dignity. 

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I found it really interesting in the marriage counselor's office when Jessica said she knew she'd marry Mike from then they first met.  It seems her goal over the years has been to get to the wedding, without thinking of the years of marriage that follow.  There were tons of red flags, but she also kept going on her quest to be the perfect wife to this guy.  

I think she believed if she could do everything, he would make himself into her perfect spouse.  However, he didn't do any changing for her before marriage.  I was struck by their very traditional roles, until it came to her working as well.  I find it deeply unfair and hypocritical when it's expected that the woman do every bit of cooking and household maintenance, and yet she also had the very untraditional job outside the home as well.  

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MJ is rough and crude also. 

Besides that in common, the man seems to think she's his physical ideal and a sex goddess so she loves that. 

Shes like 46? Might be time to settle down. 

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As I of right now I'm still team Tommy for MJ, but I do feel that if all went in his favor, he'd get a deal for a stand up comedy tour. (Definitely never see this happening.) 

And I too am no longer a Shervin fan. But I should've known, that Bravo bait and switch between the TV personality's first and second seasons gets me every time!

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Yeah, it's amazing how quickly that Shervin bubble got deflated!  Who knew he was such an immature turnoff.  I mean, you have to have a REALLY unattractive personality to overwhelm that combination of handsome looks and money.  

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What's with the timeline on this show? It seems really wonky to me.

Suddenly Jessica moved out? Really?

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On 5/17/2016 at 9:06 AM, NYCFree said:

I find it deeply unfair and hypocritical when it's expected that the woman do every bit of cooking and household maintenance, and yet she also had the very untraditional job outside the home as well.  

What untraditional job? I thought Jessica was a nurse and gave it up after they married. What did I miss?

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21 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

What untraditional job? I thought Jessica was a nurse and gave it up after they married. What did I miss?

Jessica did not stop being a nurse after they married.  It was mentioned in one of their discussions about finances.  I meant untraditional in the sense of having any job outside the home if she is expected to fulfill the traditional job of managing everything inside the home.

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Talk about product placement. Twice this episode it's shown and mentioned the cat loves eating Cheetos. And in the previous camping episodes Gigi and others are seen eating or sitting by Cheetos. 

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