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S02.E18: Versus Zoom


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On 4/20/2016 at 1:19 PM, jmonique said:

I will give the show points for seemingly sparing us a Scott/Iris mistake.

I'm 90% sure they shot, or at least scripted, a Scott/Iris scene but it got cut. I guess they realized how unwanted or unnecessary he was. He's welcome to come back, but only as Iris' boss -- not love interest.

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But without Wells' help, Barry could set his mind all he liked but his stubbornness wouldn't have opened the portal.

No, but Barry would have pestered Cisco and constantly "checked in" to see if Cisco had come up with some way to open a portal, or pestered Harry about talking to/ helping Cisco with a new way to open a portal. Because Harry and Cisco have no skin in this game, apparently. Only Barry cares? Which is how the writing can make him seem, which makes Barry, supposedly our hero, seem petty and juvenile.

I am glad that we haven't had any Iris/Scott dating scenes, but also Tone Bell seems to have another pilot/series, so maybe TPTB figured to drop the plot since it wasn't getting much traction among fans, or at least some fans?

Crossing my fingers that the writers remember that Iris started this series just a dissertation from a PhD in psychology and that Iris will come up with a way to save Caitlin and/or stop Zoom/Zolomon. I'm not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice if folks in official capacities remembered the things we do.

I believe Iris still lives at Joe's because of the TV law of set conservation.

I just hope that Wally's read in and gets to be part of the circle of trust. I figure/ hope that Wally will think it's cool to be part of the Flash Mob, forgive Barry's moodiness  because He Understands Now, and he's ready to help the group out with stuff. (Maybe tinkering with the Cosmic Treadmill? Soupin' it up?)

 

Mostly, I just want Barry to stop Zoom so he can go back to cracking a smile more than once in a blue moon and being a doof who fights crime on two fronts. He can be more sober when he needs to be thoughtful, but as others point out, he's not Oliver and shouldn't be.  Grant Gustin is what's keeping me from throwing my hands up in frustration and not watching again. I want Barry to be likeable and heroic. He has had moments in this season, but Barry's been tied to the Plot Tracks like some silent movie damsel and it's not a good look on him.

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3 hours ago, Actionmage said:

Mostly, I just want Barry to stop Zoom so he can go back to cracking a smile more than once in a blue moon and being a doof who fights crime on two fronts. He can be more sober when he needs to be thoughtful, but as others point out, he's not Oliver and shouldn't be.  Grant Gustin is what's keeping me from throwing my hands up in frustration and not watching again. I want Barry to be likeable and heroic. He has had moments in this season, but Barry's been tied to the Plot Tracks like some silent movie damsel and it's not a good look on him.

Yup! This is exactly what I want too. They turned him into down in the dumps Oliver-lite this season, exactly the opposite of what the show was praised for in the first place. He was a light, funny, adorkable person in the first season, and he really needs to go back to being that way again.

I can't believe they lost sight of what made the show fun in the first place that way.

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On 4/25/2016 at 1:58 AM, BkWurm1 said:

But without Wells' help, Barry could set his mind all he liked but his stubbornness wouldn't have opened the portal.

None of this episode made a lick of sense, but this made the least sense of all.  

Shame these guys only watch Star Wars, because they sure could have used a "needs of the many" speech when they decided to sentence countless people to Death-by-Zoom in order to save Wally MacGuffin.  It's only luck (*ahem* bad writing) that Zoom didn't kill everyone but Snow after getting Barry's speed anyway.  Like no one on the team said, "What if Zoom kills all of us, including Wally, after we give him everything he needs from us?"  Patty would have figured that out.  She was smarter than all these idiots.

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On 4/22/2017 at 3:46 PM, doram said:

Thanks for pointing out/remembering that Iris has a degree in criminal psychology.

LOL. I think only die-hard Iris fans are supposed to remember aspects of her character/personality. 

 

On 4/22/2017 at 3:46 PM, doram said:

And yeah, having Joe essentially plead/beg/reason with Barry to save Wally was offensive. There's no other way to put it. They really did Wally dirty this season (and in general, I will argue), Francine too, as well. For a show with time travel and alternate worlds and super-powers, the Wests' story this year was depressingly mundane. Of all the explanations for Iris's vanished mother and her new-found brother it was drug abuse and crack babies? Geez. I've read better fanfiction.

I read a fanfiction once that made Francine a military engineer (yay for WoC in STEM!) who was working with original!Wells on a device that could open portals between worlds on behalf of the US government, specifically General Wade. When she realized the dangers of the device, she tried to shut it down, which made her a target. She faked her death in a car crash, used the device to go to Earth-2, and there she had Wally. It's been a while since I read it, and I'm fuzzy on the details, but it had scientist/engineering-genius!Wally West, Iris investigating her mother's past through her letters to Nora Allen and figuring out on her own that the crash was faked. It integrated perfectly into the  plot and even sorted out all the stupid inconsistencies of Wells working with Zoom, and not knowing who Jay was or wasn't....

The show repeatedly does the West dirty. Even their beloved Joe has gone from a strong character on his own right to someone who exists to validate Barry.

 

On 4/22/2017 at 3:46 PM, doram said:

Now that I've seen what happened in Supergirl, it's pretty obvious to me that this was CWTV's first attempt to pull a Karolsen - > Karamel takeover after 1A. There was the karaoke nonsense in 1B, and promoting the fake!Barry/Caitlin kiss like if Snowbarry was the show's OTP. They filmed, then edited out every "bonding" experience Westallen shared in 2A - Iris visiting Barry at the hospital after Zoom broke him (after showing a reaction shot of her in CCPN), Barry visiting her in "Fast Lane", mourning together over their dead mothers because they obviously wanted us to forget that Westallen was a thing. They downplayed their leading lady's presence (honestly, there are some episodes where she literally only says 1 line) to the point where she became a supporting character - and I still maintain that Iris's storyline in 1B was supposed to go in a completely different direction, and got her more involved with the Harrison Wells investigation. Then in season 2, they brought in Patty and pushed her in our faces at every given opportunity, complete with the requisite damselling at every turn with random villains like Turtle* immediately assuming that she was "important" to the Flash. 

I'll take this to the Lightning Rod thread...

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