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In Memoriam: Entertainment Industry Celebrity Deaths

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This thread is for deaths of celebrities in the entertainment business only. No notices about politicians, please. 

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Bastet
Bastet

Piss up a rope, Val Kilmer.  If your physical illness got so bad that your life utterly sucked and no end to that suffering was in sight, so that suicide was or seemed to be the best of the available

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BetterButter
BetterButter

Olivia Newton-John Has Died At 73

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merylinkid

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I know what he did.   He deserved a very long jail sentence.   But my very first thought on hearing this was "Dear god, that's the second death for the cast of Glee."    Those actors were far too young for there to already be two deaths.   

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SunnyBeBe

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49 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I know what he did.   He deserved a very long jail sentence.   But my very first thought on hearing this was "Dear god, that's the second death for the cast of Glee."    Those actors were far too young for there to already be two deaths.   

When I read this, I wasn't sure where to go to on this site.  The news about this man comes under several different categories.  It's been a while since I watched Glee.  Wasn't there another suicide or was that an overdose? 

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OtterMommy

OtterMommy

2 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

When I read this, I wasn't sure where to go to on this site.  The news about this man comes under several different categories.  It's been a while since I watched Glee.  Wasn't there another suicide or was that an overdose? 

Yes, Cory Montieth died of a heroin overdose while the show was still on the air.

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galax-arena

galax-arena

Good fucking riddance.

Am I celebrating his suicide? Not really. (I resent that he was such a cowardly piece of shit that he killed himself to avoid facing the consequences for his behavior, I resent that he got to make that choice while victims of child pornography get no choice.) But I am unapologetically celebrating his death, idgaf. Maybe if he had been given a life sentence, I'd feel differently, but he was going to get out in only a few years anyway. It is not a net loss for the world now that Mark Salling is no longer in it. 

Fuck him and fuck the people bleating, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!" Miss me with this sin leveling bullshit. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. I've lied, I cheated on a test in high school once, I lose my temper. But I've never possessed child abuse/pornography (to say nothing of 50,000 images of it with children as young as 3)! I feel perfectly fine judging and throwing stones at Mark, thank you very much. 

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MaryMitch

MaryMitch

He was to be sentenced in federal court, which means a minimum 15 years and no parole. So he wasn't getting out after "only a few years."

I'm not defending him; this is a terrible crime and even though pedophilia is a mental illness , treatment is seldom successful. He deserved to be in prison to protect society.

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galax-arena

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Where did you hear that he was getting a minimum of 15 years? All of the reports I've read say that he copped to a plea deal of 4 to 7 years in order to avoid a 20 year sentence. 

That said, even 15 years is still too little. 50,000 images? Dude deserved (literal) life in prison. 

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MaryMitch

MaryMitch

4 minutes ago, galax-arena said:

Where did you hear that he was getting a minimum of 15 years? All of the reports I've read say that he copped to a plea deal of 4 to 7 years in order to avoid a 20 year sentence. 

That said, even 15 years is still too little. 50,000 images? Dude deserved (literal) life in prison. 

I looked it up, but I got the wrong statute - I found U.S.C. § 2251 which is production of child pornography. He was probably convicted of U.S.C. § 2252 which is possession. Thanks for straightening me out.

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Chas411

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Not really enjoying a lot of the "he was a messed up guy" kind of responses I'm hearing toward his death from the celebs commenting on it. Cort Monteith was a "messed up guy". Saling was a paedophile and while he was "only" in possession of pictures he got caught because he tried to introduce said pictures into his sexlife with his then girlfriend. I don't even what to think about what he'd have done had he gotten away with things for a few years longer.

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BW Manilowe

BW Manilowe

42 minutes ago, BetterButter said:

Louis Zorich, ‘Mad About You’ actor, dead at 93

Aww man... Besides his own acting credits (among them, he was Paul Reiser's character's father in Mad About You), he was married to Supporting Actress Oscar winner (for Moonstruck) Olympia Dukakis (&, thereby, brother-in-law to former Massachusetts Governor/1988 Democratic Presidential Candidate Michael Dukakis). I think 93 years is a good, long, life though.

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legaleagle53

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2 hours ago, BW Manilowe said:

Aww man... Besides his own acting credits (among them, he was Paul Reiser's character's father in Mad About You), he was married to Supporting Actress Oscar winner (for Moonstruck) Olympia Dukakis (&, thereby, brother-in-law to former Massachusetts Governor/1988 Democratic Presidential Candidate Michael Dukakis). I think 93 years is a good, long, life though.

Correction:  Michael Dukakis and Olympia Dukakis are cousins, not brother and sister.  Louis Zorich would have been Michael's cousin-in-law (assuming that such a term really existed).

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BW Manilowe

BW Manilowe

13 minutes ago, legaleagle53 said:

Correction:  Michael Dukakis and Olympia Dukakis are cousins, not brother and sister.  Louis Zorich would have been Michael's cousin-in-law (assuming that such a term really existed).

Thanks for the correction. I knew they were related; I just thought they were siblings.

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Calvada

Calvada

Nooooo!  I loved John Mahoney.  I think there is a re-watch of Frasier in my future.  He was absolute perfection in the role of Martin Crane.  I shared his exasperation with places like Café Nervosa - just give me a plain cup of coffee, dammit! He and Louis Zorich were two of my top five favorite TV dads, and both gone within a week. The others were Bill Bixby in The Courtship of Eddie's Father, Ralph Waite in The Waltons, and Michael Gross in Family TIes.  Now, only Michael Gross is alive.  Jiminy, I feel old.  

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VCRTracking

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I love Martin Crane. He brought that down-to-earth sarcasm and snark to the show which was reminiscent of Cheers. I love in the episode where Frasier is negotiating his contract with the station and he first compares it to a dance, then a card game:
 

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Martin: Like a card game. It's like a dance. It sounds like a weekend in Vegas.

Another great line from the episode where the wife of a fencing instructor calls in on his show talking about her husband having an affair with one of his clients and from the description Frasier thinks it's Niles' wife Maris:
 

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Martin: Seattle's a big city, I'm sure there's a bunch of German fencing instructors, each one with dozens of students.

Frasier: Yes, but are they wealthy students?

Martin: No, they're inner-city kids trying to work their way out of the ghetto with nothing but a foil and a dream.

 

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Annber03

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I love that bit from the episode with the fencing instructor, too :D. I also liked his response when Niles talked about Maris learning German. 

"Maris is learning German, huh? Just when you thought she couldn't get any cuddlier...."

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Another great one is when Roz invites the parents of her babydaddy to Frasier's apartment and she's meeting for the first time. Steve and Paula are a lovely couple but there's one thing wrong: they turn out to both have HUGE noses! Roz is horrified while Daphne, Martin and Niles are trying not to laugh at every mention of something nose-related until they just all had to go into the kitchen. 
 

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Daphne: [whispering] We've got to stop, they'll hear us!

Steve: [o.s., re: quiche] Mmmm, what's that I smell?

Martin: [whispering] Probably Japan!

 

I love his delivery of that!

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GreekGeek

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Yes, I was really sad to read about Mahoney also. I loved Martin Crane; you could tell he was really proud of his sons even when their snobbery and overthinking annoyed him. As great as he was with a funny line, he did very well with the more serious moments also: i.e. his pain when Niles caricatured him during Frasier's costume party, or when he was remembering his late wife.

He was memorable in movies, too. The mention of Moonstruck above reminded me of his role in it as a college professor flirting with Olympia Dukakis. And then there was his overprotective dad in Say Anything.

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riley702

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2 hours ago, BW Manilowe said:

From CNN: Indianapolis Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson, 26, Was 1 of 2 Men Killed Early Sunday by a Drunk Driver Who Was an Illegal Immigrant Previously Deported From the US Twice

I actually passed this on the way to work a couple of hours later. The interstate (the other side) was completely shut down for the investigation. No one knew until several hours later what had happened and it was a big shock. It sounds like both men died instantly, thankfully. Ironic that Jackson had employed an Uber driver to get home safely, and yet was killed by someone who should have employed an Uber driver themselves.

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Inquisitionist

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3 hours ago, spiderpig said:

He was a terrific actor and, I imagine, a helluva fun to sit at a bar with.

Having had the pleasure of attending a one-on-one Q&A session he did after a performance of The Herd at Steppenwolf two years ago (as well as seeing him accept a local award on behalf of his In Treatment co-star, Gabriel Byrne, a few years before that), I'm pretty darned sure Mahoney would have been fun to sit with anywhere.  A genuinely nice soul.

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VCRTracking

VCRTracking

2 hours ago, GreekGeek said:

He was memorable in movies, too. The mention of Moonstruck above reminded me of his role in it as a college professor flirting with Olympia Dukakis. And then there was his overprotective dad in Say Anything.

There's that moment in Say Anything where his character is at a luggage store and he's flirting with a woman his age and it seems they have a nice connection and it's going to lead somewhere until his credit card is declined because the IRS are investigating him. You just feel his humiliation and I just cringe from second-hand embarrassment.

2 hours ago, GreekGeek said:

Yes, I was really sad to read about Mahoney also. I loved Martin Crane; you could tell he was really proud of his sons even when their snobbery and overthinking annoyed him. As great as he was with a funny line, he did very well with the more serious moments also: i.e. his pain when Niles caricatured him during Frasier's costume party, or when he was remembering his late wife.

Those moments are so good especially the costume party one. I love the episode where Rita Wilson plays a woman Frasier's dating who also happens to look exactly like his dead mom and Martin's wife but Frasier doesn't see it while Niles and Martin do. When Frasier finally realizes he slept with a woman that's practically a clone of his mom he freaks out John Mahoney is so great as he tries to reassure him:
 

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Now Frasier, I know you're going to go crazy convincing yourself that you've got some big complex, but couldn't it be simpler than that? Maybe you just miss your mother. I know I do.

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Annber03

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2 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

I love the episode where Rita Wilson plays a woman Frasier's dating who also happens to look exactly like his dead mom and Martin's wife but Frasier doesn't see it while Niles and Martin do. 

I love the look on Martin's face when she shows up at the cabin, and the bittersweet moment at the end when they're all watching the home movies and Martin bows his head, blinking tears away. Anytime he reflected on his love for Hester was so touching, and Mahoney nailed the emotion of all of that so beautifully. 

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VCRTracking

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27 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I love the look on Martin's face when she shows up at the cabin, and the bittersweet moment at the end when they're all watching the home movies and Martin bows his head, blinking tears away. Anytime he reflected on his love for Hester was so touching, and Mahoney nailed the emotion of all of that so beautifully. 

I'm glad they actually showed her and recast her after talking about her for so long because up til then I could not picture John Mahoney with the much older Nancy Marchand(who played her in that one episode of Cheers)!

ETA: Rita Wilson did an amazing job impersonating Marchand in the later episode where Frasier imagines a therapy session with all the important women in his life!

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On 2/2/2018 at 12:58 PM, Ohwell said:

Nooooo!  How sad, and one day before his 75th birthday.  I remember back in the day when he replaced David Ruffin, there were some doubters regarding whether he could be as good.  Even though I liked David, I thought Dennis was even better.  RIP, Mr. Edwards.

Late to add even though I was a David Ruffin fan I loved songs where Edwards was lead like Papa Was a Rolling Stone, Cloud Nine and especially Can't Get Next To You.

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andromeda331

andromeda331

5 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I love the look on Martin's face when she shows up at the cabin, and the bittersweet moment at the end when they're all watching the home movies and Martin bows his head, blinking tears away. Anytime he reflected on his love for Hester was so touching, and Mahoney nailed the emotion of all of that so beautifully. 

That was a good scene. So well done. I love when explains to Frasier why he was shaken by saying 'I love you' to Sherry. 

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Inquisitionist

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If you're not familiar with how John Mahoney got into acting (he was 40 at the time of his first professional acting job), this piece by Chicago Tribune drama critic Chris Jones does a nice job of explaining.  I remember Mahoney talking about a lot of the stuff Jones mentions when he did that Q&A at Steppenwolf a few years ago.  

ETA: Be sure to click through the slide show that accompanies the Jones article at the Tribune site.  There are many great photos of Mahoney appearing in Chicago theater productions, some with other actors you'll recognize.  We're fortunate here in Chicago that people like Tom Irwin, Kevin Anderson, Laurie Metcalf, and others feel such loyalty to local theater!

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Mahoney’s late bloom happened during the Chicago theater renaissance in the late 1970s. In 1979, his friends John Malkovich and Gary Sinise invited him to join their still-nascent Steppenwolf, after they’d seen him taking acting classes at the St. Nicholas Theatre Company. At the time, the early ensemble members were allowed to sponsor the entrance of others.

There was good reason for that. In 1979, Steppenwolf still was populated by people, all friends, who were 15 or 20 years younger than Mahoney. Plays being plays, Steppenwolf badly needed someone who could take on older male roles.

Slight, ruddy faced and unfailingly good-natured, Mahoney was hired as Steppenwolf’s designated adult, and he relished the role until his final appearance — this past fall in Jessica Dickey's play “The Rembrandt," an examination of art and mortality.

 

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Ohwell

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11 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

Late to add even though I was a David Ruffin fan I loved songs where Edwards was lead like Papa Was a Rolling Stone, Cloud Nine and especially Can't Get Next To You.

Also, as much as I loved David, I don't think he could have pulled off A Song for You like Dennis did.

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doodlebug

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14 hours ago, Picture It. Sicily said:

I sense a Marty Crane marathon in my future. All these beautiful John Mahoney moments you are mentioning makes me want to see them again. <3

Me too.  I especially loved the episode where Niles gives Marty his old police horse as a birthday gift.  The scene in the barn where Martin sees Agides again is just so beautifully acted.

Another lovely episode is the one where Martin attends the parole hearing for the kid who shot him and speaks to his mother.

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Inquisitionist

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Another take on John Mahoney by his "adopted home town" paper in Oak Park, IL.
 

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While preferring to keep a low profile at home in Oak Park, Mahoney stepped into the local spotlight in 2015 to headline a fundraising event — "From Harlem Avenue to Hollywood Boulevard: An Evening with John Mahoney" — for the Historical Society of Oak Park-River Forest.

The village president proclaimed the day of the event, Feb. 25, 2015, John Mahoney Day in Oak Park.

In a Wednesday Journal article previewing that event, Mahoney was quoted as saying, "I have been really lucky. I'm not putting myself down. I'm not saying I don't have talent. I must have to have gotten this far. But I honestly believe many of the greatest actors in America are tending bar or waiting tables or driving taxis, and it will just never happen for them. I was lucky."

 

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Annber03

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What a nice article. Thanks for sharing it. This bit made me smile:

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When Deuchler's wife, Nancy, worked as manager of Barbara's Bookstore on Lake Street, Mahoney came in for new mysteries. Nancy would save them for him, said Deuchler, and Mahoney would bring her a cup of coffee when she was stuck in the store all Sunday afternoon.

I love how, despite his low profile lifestyle, he got involved with community projects that he felt were important or interesting. I'm glad he felt so at home in Oak Park, and love hearing the townspeople's fond memories of him.

I also get a kick out of the idea of him being an English teacher at one point. He would've been a neat teacher, I bet :). 

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