S01.E03: Cell Shock

[Tara Ariano]

The program gets two new members in Isaiah and Maryum, the eldest daughter of Muhammad Ali, and Isaiah witnesses violent fight between inmates and Maryum tries to fit into F-pod. Elsewhere: Robert's safety is jeopardized; Zac makes a crucial mistake; and Barbara questions if she wants to continue.

[Quilt Fairy]

Elsewhere: Robert's safety is jeopardized

We need a pool on how long before Robert gets shanked. I don't think he's going to make it 60 days without getting hurt or pulled out.

[zillabreeze]

Check your DVR's folks- tonight is a new episode.  BUT tomorrow night is also a "new" episode of a sister type show called " 60 Days In:Time Out".

Not sure how the tie-in works, but my DVR was not picking it up because the title is slightly different.

Yes, I have DVR OCD and sometimes it pays off!

I am sure that A&E has paid a fortune for insurance & lawyers for this thing, so I am assuming they will milk it every chance.

[Primetimer]

And other not-quite-burning questions as the guinea pigs get settled in jail.

Read the story

[Catgyrl]

Thank you, zillabreeze, for the heads-up! I just set my DVR for that.

[Toaster Strudel]

Urgh my DVDR cut off early, what was the cliffhanger with that douche Robert?

[zillabreeze]

Just watching. omg. I do love my trash reality TV , law enforcement shows and Shawshank is my fav movie ever. It's like Santa Claus came to my DVR!

[Quilt Fairy]

Urgh my DVDR cut off early, what was the cliffhanger with that douche Robert?

After the Bible study group, grumbling continues that there is just something 'off' about Robert (I certainly agree), someone mutters something about 'child molester' and then someone else throws a towel over the camera that is now conveniently reachable (as opposed to the older one that was up high).

[Morbs]

I think the army wife is just too ignorant and uneducated to get that mad about, but she infuriates me.  I don't really get what she is complaining about the inmates are being lazy for, does she want hard labor?  And she mentioned they don't have to clean, in my experience there was very regimented cleaning.  There's probably another pod full of inmates doing a work program to reduce their sentence.  

 

Robert is just so socially awkward, I wonder what kind of teacher he is, probably a very strange one.

[Chaos Theory]

Robert is the only one who is a comple douche. My God he's been in for what a couple of days and the inmates think he's a child molestet and have put a hit out on him. That beyond Piper Chapman level shit.

I did find the stuff in the female pod humorous. What are the chances that the two people in the program would find each other?

I am a little worried though they DEA guy is a little too good at this.

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

I think the army wife is just too ignorant and uneducated to get that mad about, but she infuriates me.  I don't really get what she is complaining about the inmates are being lazy for, does she want hard labor?  And she mentioned they don't have to clean, in my experience there was very regimented cleaning.  There's probably another pod full of inmates doing a work program to reduce their sentence.  

 

Robert is just so socially awkward, I wonder what kind of teacher he is, probably a very strange one.

When I was in jail. We had to clean 3 times a day. After each meal. In the pod area, they brought in the cleaning supplies with meals and came back about an hour later to get them. In the dorm, they were kept locked in a cabinet and everyone was required to be in their bunks while I cleaned the whole dorm after meals. 

 

Check your DVR's folks- tonight is a new episode.  BUT tomorrow night is also a "new" episode of a sister type show called " 60 Days In:Time Out".

 

I looked this show up on line and it's shown as being this show.

[Chaos Theory]

When I was in jail. We had to clean 3 times a day. After each meal. In the pod area, they brought in the cleaning supplies with meals and came back about an hour later to get them. In the dorm, they were kept locked in a cabinet and everyone was required to be in their bunks while I cleaned the whole dorm after meals.

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I think one of the reasons for the program is the prison is so badly run that the guards are letting the inmates sit around all day and do nothing.

I am one of the people who dont hate the Hoyse wide mother person because although she is a fish out of water on all this she did bring up good points. On the outside she spends all day running non stop. On jail she just sits there. She has no idea what to do with herself.

For the record I don't watch a lot of reality tv. I don't have the stomach for it. I do like shows like this and Intervention. Obe and done shows or season long arcs and then you never have to see there idiots again. Maybe I like shows where you learn something. I don't know.

Edited March 18, 2016 by Chaos Theory

[Morbs]

What should the guards be making the prisoners do?  They can go to GED classes, church, AA Meetings, join a work program if they qualify, pursue an advanced degree once they are in an actual prison.  If they want to lay around let them.  There's no way they aren't forced to clean everyday.

[JennB]

I think the army wife is just too ignorant and uneducated to get that mad about, but she infuriates me.  I don't really get what she is complaining about the inmates are being lazy for, does she want hard labor?

 

And then she's complaining that it's miserable there. Well, yeah. It's a punishment. I think it'll really start to sink in with her when she realizes she can't talk to her family whenever she wants.

 

Did anyone else find Robert's reaction to DeAundre's removal from the pod really disingenuous? I'm not saying Robert's a sociopath, but...Robert might be a sociopath.

 

 

But is it me, or is this the "yeeeaahhhh" face of either "I think Barbra's kind of cute" or "I think you think I think Barbra's kind of cute, which I might, but I can't really talk about it either because my wife is already not a hundred on this project"?

 

I saw it more as, "Cool, there's someone here who's even greener than I am."

Edited March 18, 2016 by JennB

[Jenkins]

Robert is trying WAY too hard to fit in...yet, not trying at all.

 

It is a well known fact child molesters are not well liked in prison (ask Jared...he got off easily with a busted up face). So Robert thought he would fit in by denouncing child molesters in front of everyone...which of course, if I put myself in their shoes, my first thought would be thou doth protest too much...

 

And then he refuses to hold hands in a prayer circle. How does a rational human being not understand this would be seen as an insult when they asked you to do it multiple times?

 

Someone above mentioned sociopath...which if you look at the profile of a sociopath, he does fit some of the characteristics, especially the shallow emotions (but then you can say that about a lot of people I suppose). But, not going to say he is 100% a sociopath. He is just an odd person. I still wonder how much is an act.

 

It is weird to me that a teacher would be as socially awkward as he is.

 

They knew exactly what they were doing when they cast this guy.

 

And I would love to know what Barbras ideal prison system would be. Maybe her comments have been taken out of context (we all know what editing can do to a person).

 

This is the type of show I wish I hadn't discovered for a year or so so I could bingewatch it on Netflix! A week is too long to wait for another episode of Will Robert Get Shanked This Week?!

[farmgal4]

Robert is trying WAY too hard to fit in...yet, not trying at all.

 

It is a well known fact child molesters are not well liked in prison (ask Jared...he got off easily with a busted up face). So Robert thought he would fit in by denouncing child molesters in front of everyone...which of course, if I put myself in their shoes, my first thought would be thou doth protest too much...

 

And then he refuses to hold hands in a prayer circle. How does a rational human being not understand this would be seen as an insult when they asked you to do it multiple times?

 

Someone above mentioned sociopath...which if you look at the profile of a sociopath, he does fit some of the characteristics, especially the shallow emotions (but then you can say that about a lot of people I suppose). But, not going to say he is 100% a sociopath. He is just an odd person. I still wonder how much is an act.

 

It is weird to me that a teacher would be as socially awkward as he is.

 

They knew exactly what they were doing when they cast this guy.

 

And I would love to know what Barbras ideal prison system would be. Maybe her comments have been taken out of context (we all know what editing can do to a person).

 

This is the type of show I wish I hadn't discovered for a year or so so I could bingewatch it on Netflix! A week is too long to wait for another episode of Will Robert Get Shanked This Week?!

Jenkins, I'm pretty sure Barbra wants every inmate working on a chain gang.

[Sarah D. Bunting]

"A week is too long to wait for another episode of Will Robert Get Shanked This Week?!"

hee hee.

[Jordan61]

Did anyone else notice that Diaundre had his glasses on in every shot except the one where he got hit? Call me cynical, but that and the fact that it was a weak attack and broken up so quickly (especially compared to the tater-tot beat down) made me think the whole thing was prearranged.

[Jenkins]

Yeah, I kind of cringed at that attack...and not because it was violent (I am a huge MMA fan, so it doesn't bother me).

 

Because either it was setup (which would mean the prisoners are in on it being a show) or the guy who attacked him most definitely should NOT be attacking people with his lack of "fighting skills".

 

That was one hell of a weak attack. You have a clear, semi blindside attack on someone, they should be on the floor afterwards.

 

I am really not sure on it. It reminded me of a fight you would see on a scripted reality show like that tow truck crap on TruTV, where it looks like they are fighting, but they aren't really doing any damage.

 

But on the other hand, everything else seems VERY real. I hope we aren't all being played as suckers here...

[Morbs]

Yeah at first I thought the attack was going to be just a joke the way he barely hit him.  It was like little kids rough housing not a prison fight.

[NeoSoul Music]

Why isn't there a guard in a booth inside the pod?? Don't get that.

For some strange reason, I like Diaundre

[rainsmom]

Why isn't there a guard in a booth inside the pod?? Don't get that.

In some places there is. Some can't afford that much manpower. Some go the safer route of having guards in a protected watch station.

[Chaos Theory]

Jenkins, I'm pretty sure Barbra wants every inmate working on a chain gang.

Why are there only two options? Sitting around doing nothing all day and chain gang. And I don't remember her saying chain gang just that she was crawling out of her skin due to lack of activity. She geniunly doesn't understand why there is nothing to do but sit there and why they are allowed to do it all day long. I may not agree with her but it is a legitamite point.

And the group header really does need to be changed to Will Robert he Shanked this week.

Also am I the only one worried that DEA guy has got in so well. I mean there is getting along but he seemed to be clicked in with the inmate who runs the pod.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Chaos Theory

[Norasuke]

Maybe the most interesting thing about Robert's apparent obsession with child molesters and how awful they are is his friend Diaundre's rap sheet.

[Jenkins]

Wow, according to the link:

 

"Diaundre Newby, 18, Lexington, faces charges of criminal deviate conduct, a Class B felony; incest, a Class C felony; and sexual battery, a Class D felony.

 

A male relative of Newby said Newby had performed a sexual act on the minor boy against the boy’s will. Newby denied the allegations when interviewed by the ISP officer."

Edited March 19, 2016 by Jenkins

[Morbs]

 

Why are there only two options? Sitting around doing nothing all day and chain gang. And I don't remember her saying chain gang just that she was crawling out of her skin due to lack of activity. She geniunly doesn't understand why there is nothing to do but sit there and why they are allowed to do it all day long. I may not agree with her but it is a legitamite point.

 

I don't think it's a legitimate point unless she backs it up, which I don't think she really will because she doesn't seem to think in grey areas or much at all.  And yes, she could just be getting a bad edit or be nervous and saying these things without much thought.  Her and Robert are kinda the shows villains in a way.  But any activity is going to eventually mean money the jails don't have hand.  The guards have enough to do besides enforcing a no nap policy.  

[Lion18]

When I was in county(23) hours- there was one guard and one nurse. A nurse because I was in the psych ward coz I take anti anxiety meds. Yes I was wondering why there isn't a guard in there. Very strange. You just leave inmates on their own all day???

How did Robert get fancy ear pods and books already? Why are they smoking e cigarettes? None of that was allowed where I was

[riff-raff]

I confess, I had no idea what jails were like.  I thought there was more separation of the inmates at night and more organized work details.  The army wife's comment about all the idleness did strike me as reasonable.  Not in the sense that we should be "trying to get our money's worth" out of the inmates in labor, but rather how unproductive -- even destructive -- all the forced inactivity was.   I would think that some level of productive work could build a sense of accomplishment, pride and community which would help the prisoners upon their release.   Conversely, sitting around all day doing nothing, might make people feel even more worthless and unhappy. 

 

I suppose organized work/activities is more expensive, so that's why they just let them sit there and do their time.  I do wonder if that's not more expensive for society in the long run.  

 

Maybe (I hope) there's more opportunities for work/self improvement then they are showing us.

[Brooklynista]

The cell setup seems wonky to me. Mainly the separate rooms. Would you really have a cell with so many blind spots and no in pod guard? This seems more like a holding cell while inmates await trial than an actual cell block.

Or maybe I watched too much OZ.

[LymieLisa]

I'm wondering how Robert snuck in his "brand name" ear buds/plugs.... They aren't allowed to bring anything in like that, right? And it floors me how disrespectful he was during the Bible study. I mean, really.... he wouldn't even hold hands with the other inmates? Is he that socially awkward? He should have been able to clearly see that holding hands was the norm, and that by not doing so he's making himself stand out - which is exactly what you don't want to do. And his rant about child molesters... yes, they are seen as scum of the earth, but he's in a jail - for all he knows, some of those guys might have been in there for that. It just doesn't seem wise to call out people like that.

That one guy who was talking about what people trade - did he really say someone had traded him themselves as a "buddy" for a day? This is a dumb question that I probably already know the answer to, but does that mean what I think it does? I'm surprised he went there on camera....

[LymieLisa]

Also am I the only one worried that DEA guy has got in so well. I mean there is getting along but he seemed to be clicked in with the inmate who runs the pod.

I'm kind of worried about him too. When they showed him making bets with the other inmates, even though it was just for push-ups right now, it made me worry that he's going to start betting parts of his meal tray then who knows what before too long. I hope he doesn't get too involved with one particular clique, and end up getting on someone's bad side just because of the company he's keeping. Not to mention that he'd better keep his use of "bitch" in check before he accidentally says it to the wrong person.

[Jordan61]

The cell setup seems wonky to me. Mainly the separate rooms. Would you really have a cell with so many blind spots and no in pod guard? This seems more like a holding cell while inmates await trial than an actual cell block.

Or maybe I watched too much OZ.

The thing that threw me off was that they never seem to go outside. I had been under the impression that all jails/prisons had some kind of "yard" but apparently that's not the case.

[rainsmom]

The thing that threw me off was that they never seem to go outside. I had been under the impression that all jails/prisons had some kind of "yard" but apparently that's not the case.

Jails and prisons are two completely different entities. The King County jail in Seattle, for example is in a skyscraper in the middle of downtown, next to the courthouse. Prisoners are moved from one building to the other via a skybridge. There is no place for outside exercise.

 

Jails are intended to be holding facilities between arrest and sentencing. Inmates are largely grouped by sex and behavior, not severity of crime. So that person who got arrested for shoplifting could be in a pod with murderers and rapists. Jails are intended to be temporary and short-term. Unfortunately, the courts are so overcrowded that people who can't afford bail can be housed in that temporary housing for upwards of a year. 

 

Ask inmates, and they'll tell you they would MUCH rather be in prison than jail.

[JennyMominFL]

And the fact that is is jail is why there is far less organization and activity for the inmates.They are only there for a brief amount of time and most importantly, they are not yet convicted criminals.

[SnarkKitty]

I put this in last week's thread before realizing I was a week behind, sorry.

What in the bluedilly fuck is Robert playing at?? As soon as I saw him bells started ringing. Once he said he was a teacher and mentor, I KNEW I'd seen him before.

 

 

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I guess he spent all that time not chewing meals and being an Extreme Time Cheater so he could use it in prison. Then again, they DO serve all your food at once, which is his thing.

 

WTF, man? Whoever called him a planted plant, has it right. Except I think he planted himself.

 

http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/jail-show-participant-says-he-s-not-an-actor/

[Quilt Fairy]

And the fact that is is jail is why there is far less organization and activity for the inmates.They are only there for a brief amount of time and most importantly, they are not yet convicted criminals.

AFAIK, it's actually a mix of people awaiting trial who cannot make or are denied bail and people who have been convicted of lesser crimes (misdemeanors) and are serving fairly short sentences of < 1 year.  However, we have not been shown any of the daily shuttling that should be taking place between the jail and the courthouse as various inmates have court dates. All of the fake inmates' backstories say they are wanted on an out-of-state warrant, which means they've only been charged with a crime, not convicted. I do wonder, though, if it's reasonable that someone who's arrested for an out-of-state warrant wait 60 days or more before they are transported to the state where they are wanted.

 

According to that article, Sheriff Noel says 

not everyone made it 60 days, although he won't specify who.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Quilt Fairy

[JennyMominFL]

AFAIK, it's actually a mix of people awaiting trial who cannot make or are denied bail and people who have been convicted of lesser crimes (misdemeanors) and are serving fairly short sentences of < 1 year.  .

I think it may really differ by state. It possibly depends on how extensive each state's system is.

[Morbs]

Another thing I wonder about is that in my experience inmates talk nonstop about their case, just a single sentence cover story wouldn't really work.  The guys really ranted in there nonstop.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Morbs

[SnarkKitty]

Already renewed for season 2.

[CobraDog]

I been in countless bings and done state time 4 times(Ya, I'm a knucklehead). They won't put an officer in there with that many inmates because 1. safety concerns. They get friendly w/ the guys and illegal shit happens. And for the officers safety. 2. Jail stinks, them cops don't want to be in there at all. Some counties'll have them going home in that stank. Another point people bring up is this sitting around all day. Some jails do have jobs but most of the time you need to be sentenced and screened if you're going to leave the cell house. But jobs, like activities (?lulzzz), need more staff. W/ budgets how they are I'd imagine that's just unacceptable in most cases. Morbs pointed out there cover story was kinda weak. Yes and no. When your on the new you don't want to talk about your case too much because everyone got cases and some are probably looking at some serious time. Once you're on the gallery for a minute then you can open up more about particular details if you'd like.

[LymieLisa]

I put this in last week's thread before realizing I was a week behind, sorry.

What in the bluedilly fuck is Robert playing at?? As soon as I saw him bells started ringing. Once he said he was a teacher and mentor, I KNEW I'd seen him before.

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I guess he spent all that time not chewing meals and being an Extreme Time Cheater so he could use it in prison. Then again, they DO serve all your food at once, which is his thing.

WTF, man? Whoever called him a planted plant, has it right. Except I think he planted himself.

http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/jail-show-participant-says-he-s-not-an-actor/

Holy shit! I knew I had seen him before too!!! He was on that Extreme Time Cheaters show on TLC!!!! Thank you for finding that - he was a real tool on that show, glad to see that he's stayed classy.

Edited March 21, 2016 by LymieLisa

[Peper81]

The cell setup seems wonky to me. Mainly the separate rooms. Would you really have a cell with so many blind spots and no in pod guard? This seems more like a holding cell while inmates await trial than an actual cell block.

Or maybe I watched too much OZ.

The setup they have at the Clark County jail is actually very similar to the setup at the jail in my county. I was part of a leadership group and one day we got to go on a tour of the sheriff's department and jail. It's setup in a octagonal pattern with separate pods like they show on this show. All the sleeping areas are in the back in "rooms" with no doors. In the middle of the building is the command center where the guards stay and monitor the cameras. My guess is this setup allows for better monitoring with less manpower and less danger to the guards.

It was actually a quite fascinating tour. The lieutenant who took us around indicated that the work program was actually relatively new and had to be monitored closely because there was always concern about it being abused. He said there were a lot of rules and regulations about what the inmates could actually do because no one could benefit from their labor (I'm not explaining it well and I apologize). He said they could work in the jail garden, fix things around the jail and clean trash because no individual could profit off of it but it was tightly controlled. I never realized how difficult it really was to have a work program in jail but it made sense when he explained it.

He also said the biggest help they've had to decrease inmate violence is that they've now allowed them the chance to buy e-cigs. He said once that was instituted violence dropped dramatically for them. I've always wondered why other jails haven't followed suit.

The thing that threw me off was that they never seem to go outside. I had been under the impression that all jails/prisons had some kind of "yard" but apparently that's not the case.

Sorry to double post but until I did the tour I thought the same thing. The "yard" at the local jail here is actually just what looks like a really small gym except no sporting equipment. It had some windows way up high but that was it. I was shocked. I, like you, thought they had to have an outside area but I guess not.

[NeoSoul Music]

"Maybe the most interesting thing about Robert's apparent obsession with child molesters and how awful they are is his friend Diaundre's rap sheet."

 

 

Disgusting, how come is ass didn't get shanked? Thanks Norasuke

[rainsmom]

Disgusting, how come is ass didn't get shanked? Thanks Norasuke

If it had been known in the pod, he would have. He almost definitely lied about his charges to the other inmates, and guards do NOT spread that sort of information around.

[kassa]

I wonder what he claimed to be in for, because let's just say his rap sheet did not exactly shock me. He's a big guy and didn't flinch when jumped, so maybe they did try him and it wasn't worth it.