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S01.E08: Et Tu, Doctor?


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Unfortunately, Chloe didn't even try to explain anything in this episode... Skepticism is one thing, having all those unexplained things happening right under your nose and not even beginning to entertain the possibility that maybe there is a God and thus a Devil just annoys me.

 

I wish the show would give us an inking about what Chloe makes of all the strange things she's seen. The easiest way would be for Chloe to have someone to confide in but unfortunately she doesn't seem to have any female friends and Dan isn't an option. It's too bad Linda's doctor/patient confidentiality prevents her and Chloe from comparing notes about Lucifer -- what a conversation that would be! However, despite not knowing Chloe's thought process, I don't think what she's doing (or not doing) conflicts with what she knows about Lucifer.

 

So far Chloe has seen that he has some hypnosis-type skill with people and women fall into lust around him. She saw him get shot multiple times without effect, but at the time she was injured from her own gunshot wounds and maybe not seeing clearly. He's mostly even-tempered but capable of sudden violent outbursts. He's stronger and faster than any human his size should be, but considering that some martial artists like Bruce Lee can also perform feats seemingly beyond their weight class, perhaps it's not out of the realm of possibility. He seems to have the ability to open any locks. She caught a glimpse of a devil face, but it was for a fraction of a second and in the dark, so it could have been a trick of the light. He claimed he was immortal, but bled when she shot him, and stopped claiming to be immortal after that. His bartender has mad combat skills. His identity (and Maze's as well, if she looked it up) has only existed for the past five years. He said that he would never lie to her, and as far as she knows he hasn't, except that he insists that he's the devil. He owned (what looked like) high-end custom-made angel wings and had Maze burn scars on his back.

 

One conclusion Chloe can make from all this is that Lucifer does sincerely believe he's the devil and is therefore not lying when he tells her so. However, that's kind of a showstopper as it prevents any kind of conversation with him about what she's seen -- his answer's always going to be "because I'm the devil." She seems to know this because when Lucifer said that Dr. Linda is his therapist, the very first thing Chloe asks is if he still believes he's the devil.

 

She could ask him to prove he's the devil, but so far Lucifer has only shown his devil face or eyes to bad people in order to punish them -- so it's unlikely he would show that to Chloe -- and none of his other traits would prove he's the devil. His immortality is the only other thing that would at least prove he's supernatural, but she already tested that. I don't think Chloe knows enough to make the leap that Lucifer is mortal to her but immortal to everyone else. But if she does, how can she test that? Ask Lucifer if Dan can punch him around a bit to see if he gets hurt? Dan would enjoy that but I suspect Luci would decline!

 

So if talking to Lucifer about his abilities is a non-starter, Chloe is left to draw her own conclusions. Since she doesn't believe in the supernatural, a reasonable explanation would lead towards Lucifer and Maze having some sort of espionage and/or black ops military background. And while Maze doesn't seem troubled, Lucifer must have seen or done things that were horrible enough to traumatize him and make him cast himself in the role of the devil.

 

To gather evidence for this, she would have to dig into the backgrounds of Lucifer, Maze and everyone connected with them in the past five years. But what if Lucifer and Maze are undercover, or worse, in hiding? Her digging could out them with potentially terrible consequences. If she cares for Lucifer, it seems the best thing she can do right now is to make note of but file away the strange stuff, and instead encourage a friendship with the hope that she (or Dr. Linda) will eventually break down his "delusion" that he's the devil.

 

Chloe is weirdly sex-negative in general for someone who got her start in softcore porn.

 

Hot Tub High School was more Fast Times at Ridgemont High than porn, and she just did a topless scene not a simulated sex act.

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Remember Chloe has also seen Lucifer apparently disappear right in front of her eyes and instantly reappear yards away and behind her holding a bullet while the one fired by that crazy photographer went missing in mid flight. That's not easily explained away by military training or being a charming foreigner. Neither is at least two people being driven crazy to the point of self-harm by a glance from Lucifer (and I assume the graffiti artist and fake kidnapping victim ended up in padded cells too).

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Remember Chloe has also seen Lucifer apparently disappear right in front of her eyes and instantly reappear yards away and behind her holding a bullet while the one fired by that crazy photographer went missing in mid flight. That's not easily explained away by military training or being a charming foreigner. Neither is at least two people being driven crazy to the point of self-harm by a glance from Lucifer (and I assume the graffiti artist and fake kidnapping victim ended up in padded cells too).

Click on the link below and then read it, please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Key_ideas

 

Those are the ideas of David Icke, a real person who lives in our real world.  What would it take for you to accept and believe in his ideas (assuming you don't already)?  What proof/persuasion would you need to accept that yes, human civilization is actually ruled by ancient lizard-people vampires and their human hybrid offspring?  I'm going to figure that it's going to take some pretty intense stuff for you to go from (presumably) "That's ridiculous and insane" to "OMFG!  Lizard people run the world!?!!?"  If nothing else, you probably don't want to believe that lizard vampires run the world.

 

Chloe doesn't want to believe that Lucifer is a real being walking around LA and that he's seen her naked and vice-versa.  She doesn't want to believe that she lives in that kind of world, much like you likely don't want to believe that you live in David Icke's kind of world.  Aside from which Chloe has put the Lucifer hypothesis to the test of actually shooting him.  It hurt him.  He bled.  The immortal devil thing is clear some kind of delusion and OMFG, I shot a guy because I started to buy his crazy. 

 

Chloe might eventually accept his story, but it's going to take more than she has right now, just like it'll take more than you have right now to believe in the New World Order of Lizard Vampires.

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I thought that was the point? For all her complaining about the effects of the "vacation in LA" on Lucifer, it's happening to her too.

 

I had no problem getting that point.  I simply hate that they are choosing to go there.  

That's actually how it works. If you look closely, in the next shot, no liquor is spilled, so either they were out of time or that take was the best one out of the ones they took, so they chose the one in which she spilled the liquor. Sometimes they have to sacrifice one thing for another. Which is actually something I read/saw in an extra once, so I'm not making it up. They sometimes sacrifice continuity (like liquor spilled in one scene, no liquor spilled afterwards) if everything else is considered better than in other takes.

It is how it works on productions who do not value the art they do.  The fix here would have been incredibly easy.  Then again, that would have required an AD or someone, anyone, actor included, noticing/bringing up the miss right after it happened.

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Lonesome Rhodes, on 17 Mar 2016 - 9:10 PM, said:Lonesome Rhodes, on 17 Mar 2016 - 9:10 PM, said:

I had no problem getting that point.  I simply hate that they are choosing to go there.  

It is how it works on productions who do not value the art they do.  The fix here would have been incredibly easy.  

 

You don't know that because you don't know how long the take was and how often she missed while pouring. It's easy to judge for us but we have no idea what was really going on during filming.

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Case of the week kind of unintentional wacky territory with both Jim Rash and Al Madrigal both getting involved in it.  I kept waiting for Jim's character to act like Dean Pelton or for Al's to start giving a Daily Show-ish soundbite.

 

Enjoyed Dr. Linda being involved with the case and getting to hang out with Lucifer and Chloe on that front.  And even getting to meet Maze!  Who really needs to work on her pouring skills.  Not exactly the best bartender out there, huh?  And now Linda has finally decided to no longer sleep with Lucifer, but keep it professional.  I guess that's a sign that she's either becoming more resistant to his charms or his charms are continuing to weaken.

 

So, Dan the Douche might actually be Dirty Dan the Douche, huh?  Unless Malcolm is mistaken or this is some major kind of swerve going on, he totally just murdered two people at the very least.  Even if they were criminals, it's hard to find a way for that to be OK, unless it was to protect Chloe/Trixie for whatever reason.  I have no idea what to make of this latest development.

 

Lucifer figures out about Amendial spying on him through Linda, quickly figures out that Maze did it, and so now he's done with her.  I can only imagine what Maze will do now.  Have a feeling she's going to try something and it will probably end badly.

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he totally just murdered two people at the very least.

I don't get this, it was fairly obvious to me Malcolm killed his partner, and it's ambiguous if Dan shot Malcolm way back when. I thought this episode was playing with the idea that maybe Chloe was wrong about Malcolm and he was investigating things just like she was, but in the end we got it confirmed no, Malcolm is dirty all day long, as was his partner, AND he believes Dan is a well. He said Dan shot him(Malcolm), and seemingly is willing to cover up everything to do with Palmetto. Even if Dan IS dirty I think the only person he shot was Malcolm, and even then his reasons may have been understandable if not justifiable.

 

The biggest problem I have with Dan, even if he's just "under cover" investigating Palmetto when he shot Malcolm, is that he needs to come clean with Chloe, it's patenalistic, gross, and puts her and Trixie in more danger not less.

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Remember Chloe has also seen Lucifer apparently disappear right in front of her eyes and instantly reappear yards away and behind her holding a bullet while the one fired by that crazy photographer went missing in mid flight. That's not easily explained away by military training or being a charming foreigner. Neither is at least two people being driven crazy to the point of self-harm by a glance from Lucifer (and I assume the graffiti artist and fake kidnapping victim ended up in padded cells too).

 

Gah! I knew I would forget some. The self-harm could be some kind of hypnosis, an extension of tell me what you desire. Both involve Lucifer staring people down ("look into my eyes") and saying something encouraging (for desires) or vaguely threatening (hypnotic suggestion), and they both have varying levels of effectiveness on people (also like hypnosis). A couple people were driven crazy, but the player's girlfriend and Trixie's bully just got big scares. This is a very flimsy explanation, but for someone who doesn't believe in the supernatural, it's more plausible than he's the devil.

 

I have no explanation for the disappearing/reappearing and missing bullet. But those don't really point to "he must be the devil" either. It's kind of like seeing voodoo zombies before knowing that there are drugs that can mimic the symptoms of death. It seems completely impossible and must be supernatural, but it's not.

 

Anyway, I think Chloe is filing away the strange things she sees, not ignoring them, until she can figure out what to do about them. When Chloe and Lucifer were at the bar where Malcolm's partner was killed and Lucifer opens the door, Chloe's reaction is, "You've got to stop doing that!" and Lucifer replies, "It was unlocked!" If she was just blindly ignoring all the strangeness, she would have assumed the door was unlocked. Instead, she immediately assumed Lucifer had used his unlocking mojo on the doors. So she's very aware that Lucifer has unusual abilities; she just doesn't comment on them every time.

 

It is how it works on productions who do not value the art they do.  The fix here would have been incredibly easy.  Then again, that would have required an AD or someone, anyone, actor included, noticing/bringing up the miss right after it happened.

 

If missed shots like that are a regular occurrence, then I'd concede that they are sloppy. But the odd mistake here and there is just humans not being perfect. You can search Star Wars bloopers on YouTube and find videos showing lots of mistakes throughout all the movies, but that doesn't mean that the people who made Star Wars are incompetents who have no pride in their work.

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Lucifer figures out about Amendial spying on him through Linda, quickly figures out that Maze did it, and so now he's done with her.

Some have said that Maze looked pissed off when Luci said that to her. I read it as she realized that she went too far, and that Luci would be looking for extreme vengeance.

 

Regarding the spilled booze, at first I thought that Maze deliberately missed the glass, as a thinly veiled insult to Dr. Linda. I guess i missed the continuity error.

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