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On 7/25/2021 at 5:14 AM, kiddo82 said:

I'm on the other end of the spectrum.  I love watching the Olympics, especially the sports that no one in North America (myself included) cares about but every four years.  You've got these athletes at the top of their game toiling in relative obscurity and making no money for what is usually a once in a lifetime opportunity.  It's hard for me not to get romantic about that.

I have two UO:  I don't mind seeing the stories of certain athletes' childhoods and, while I do root for the American teams, I get just as excited to see one of the underdogs take the win, no matter what country they are from.  Like the kid from Tunisia yesterday who barely qualified for the final round (I won't say what sport so I won't spoil it)--I couldn't stop grinning watching his excitement. For me, that's the exciting part of the Olympics.

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Gomer Pyle:USMC sucked. 

I have no clue how that series lasted five seasons. 

On second thought, maybe that isn't an unpopular opinion.

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6 hours ago, kiddo82 said:

You've got these athletes at the top of their game toiling in relative obscurity and making no money for what is usually a once in a lifetime opportunity.  It's hard for me not to get romantic about that.

Meanwhile, being a completely uncompetitive person and not a big sports fan, all I think is how much time and effort they are spending just to say they are the best at something that really doesn't matter in the long run. That said, I've never had that level of burning passion, where I feel like I need to be the best at this one thing or I'll die, so I clearly don't get the mentality behind being a Champion. Just not my thing. 

 

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On 7/23/2021 at 8:06 PM, DrSpaceman73 said:

I don't know if it's unpopular, but there are some REALLY BAD Twilight zone episodes.  The one hour ones especially.  

It still has classics and can't miss episodes but there are real clunkers mixed in.  

Hey, more than fair! That's true of pretty much any show!

My favorite Twilight Zone episodes aren't necessarily the best-remembered ones. I think "A Stop at Willoughby" is superior to "Walking Distance", for example. "Elegy" is one of the creepiest episodes of any show ever.

1 minute ago, Mabinogia said:

Meanwhile, being a completely uncompetitive person and not a big sports fan, all I think is how much time and effort they are spending just to say they are the best at something that really doesn't matter in the long run. That said, I've never had that level of burning passion, where I feel like I need to be the best at this one thing or I'll die, so I clearly don't get the mentality behind being a Champion. Just not my thing. 

 

I kinda feel the same way. 

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50 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

Gomer Pyle:USMC sucked. 

I have no clue how that series lasted five seasons. 

It only ended because Jim Nabors wanted to move on to something else!  

Most guys I know from its original run hated it only because IRL, Gomer and his platoon would have been up to their waists in rice paddies in Vietnam.  Bad enough that was the first war brought to TV, but no one wanted to see a show set there - yet. 

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I find that I listen to the backstory of an athlete and realize no one in my family would ever make it to the Olympics because my parents wouldn’t have let me obsess like that, and I don’t let my children do so either.  I remember a Winter Olympics for the fancy ski jumps and they explained the gold medalist used to jump off the roof of his childhood home and his parents just set out a mattress.  If that story were on a police report, we wouldn’t hear the reporter describe the parents as “supportive.”

But I do love the Olympics.

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8 hours ago, kiddo82 said:

I'm on the other end of the spectrum.  I love watching the Olympics, especially the sports that no one in North America (myself included) cares about but every four years.  You've got these athletes at the top of their game toiling in relative obscurity and making no money for what is usually a once in a lifetime opportunity.  It's hard for me not to get romantic about that.

I was over a friend's house.  Yeah, as hard as it is to believe I have a friends.  Okay, a friend.  Perhaps an acquaintance, I can't believe it myself.

In any case, he was watching Olympic basketball, and my gosh those squeaky basketball shoes I couldn't take it.   I suffer from migraines and it doesn't take much to trigger them.  But damn, can't they make squeakless basketball shoes?   They need to oil them or do something, anything to stop the squeaking.🐁

 

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13 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

he was watching Olympic basketball, and my gosh those squeaky basketball shoes I couldn't take it.   I suffer from migraines and it doesn't take much to trigger them.  But damn, can't they make squeakless basketball shoes?  

I was listening to a podcast with the head of NBC’s Olympic coverage and this is actually a specific choice they are making to increase the audio mix of things like that or  the grinding of the skateboards, the bodies of gymnasts interacting with the apparatus, the sound of the water, etc. to make up for the lack of crowd noise, so it’s not really the shoes fault!

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33 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I was listening to a podcast with the head of NBC’s Olympic coverage and this is actually a specific choice they are making to increase the audio mix of things like that or  the grinding of the skateboards, the bodies of gymnasts interacting with the apparatus, the sound of the water, etc. to make up for the lack of crowd noise, so it’s not really the shoes fault!

I hope everyone is on their best behavior.  There is always the possibility that someone might say something stupid on a hot mic.

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1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I was over a friend's house.  Yeah, as hard as it is to believe I have a friends.  Okay, a friend.  Perhaps an acquaintance, I can't believe it myself.

In any case, he was watching Olympic basketball, and my gosh those squeaky basketball shoes I couldn't take it.   I suffer from migraines and it doesn't take much to trigger them.  But damn, can't they make squeakless basketball shoes?   They need to oil them or do something, anything to stop the squeaking.🐁

 

I have never been able to enjoy basketball because of the shoe squeaks. I remember watching the basketball coverage of the Olympics even back in 04 and having the TV muted through all the games because it was so unbearable to me. 

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I love the Olympics. I get obsessed every summer and winter games. I love watching the world come together for something good and fun. I love cheering on the US team but also really love watching athletes from other countries compete. But this year I just can't do it. Not with the pandemic still going on. I tried to make it through the Opening Ceremony I wanted to enjoy it and shut off the pandemic for a few hours but I couldn't. When they talked about India and how bad it was just a couple months ago. Same with Italy. Right now in Japan. I really hope no one gets seriously sick or worse. I really hope it goes well and everyone watching and participating has a great time. But I have to skip it this time.

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1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

In any case, he was watching Olympic basketball, and my gosh those squeaky basketball shoes I couldn't take it.   I suffer from migraines and it doesn't take much to trigger them.  But damn, can't they make squeakless basketball shoes?   They need to oil them or do something, anything to stop the squeaking.🐁

Basketball is one sport I simply cannot watch for that very reason. The squeaking is maddening. It is worse than nails on a chalkboard for me. It sets me teeth on edge just thinking about it. 

 

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I was over a friend's house.  Yeah, as hard as it is to believe I have a friends.  Okay, a friend.  Perhaps an acquaintance, I can't believe it myself.

Also, how much do one of these "friends" things cost? Is there a store where you go pick one out? I am thinking it might be nice to have one, well, you know, like a live, in person one rather than faceless digital ones, or four legged furry ones (though those are the BEST ONES). 

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59 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

Basketball is one sport I simply cannot watch for that very reason. The squeaking is maddening. It is worse than nails on a chalkboard for me. It sets me teeth on edge just thinking about it. 

I thought it was just me!!

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8 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

My favorite Twilight Zone episodes aren't necessarily the best-remembered ones. I think "A Stop at Willoughby" is superior to "Walking Distance", for example. "Elegy" is one of the creepiest episodes of any show ever.

Both great episodes, but I agree.

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6 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I love the Olympics. I get obsessed every summer and winter games. I love watching the world come together for something good and fun. I love cheering on the US team but also really love watching athletes from other countries compete. But this year I just can't do it. Not with the pandemic still going on. I tried to make it through the Opening Ceremony I wanted to enjoy it and shut off the pandemic for a few hours but I couldn't. When they talked about India and how bad it was just a couple months ago. Same with Italy. Right now in Japan. I really hope no one gets seriously sick or worse. I really hope it goes well and everyone watching and participating has a great time. But I have to skip it this time.

I've never cared even slightly about the Winter Olympics, but I love the Summer Olympics. I've watched hours and hours of every Games from 1992 onwards, and it's just about the only sporting event where I feel a patriotic will for Great Britain to do well.

The BBC's coverage has always been fantastic, letting people watch so many different events, including those that don't have significant British representation, and even focusing one non-British athletes in events where we are good. Sadly, the IOC chose to sell streaming rights to the fucking Discovery Channel after the last games, so the BBC is reduced to only being able to stream a couple of other events alongside it's standard broadcast, rather than having a full array of streams for all the events taking place.

The wisdom of holding these Olympics is still very dubious, but I just have to trust in the vaccination programmes and the social distancing measures that have been put in place. They'd probably have been wiser to just cancel the games, but Japan has spent so much money on hosting them, the athletes have spent years preparing and I can understand why they felt they had to push ahead.

Plus, there was a successful international soccer tournament held last month - the belated Euro 2020 - which didn't result in a spike of Covid positive tests for the players (fans are another matter, but Japan aren't allowing fans in the venues for these games).

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22 hours ago, Shannon L. said:

 Like the kid from Tunisia yesterday who barely qualified for the final round (I won't say what sport in case so I won't spoil it)--I couldn't stop grinning watching his excitement. For me, that's the exciting part of the Olympics.

Wasn’t that fantastic?  That’s what the Olympics are about. Pure joy. 

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I always get sucked in to some of it, no matter what.  This morning I was watching a 13 year old Japanese girl win at street skateboard!  Incredible.  The kind where they slide down a bannister. 

I also watched women's water polo for a while, which is a bit of an odd sport.  The hats are silly.  But their endurance is amazing.  The pool is deep enough so they can never touch bottom, so they have to keep swimming or treading water.  They have to wear special bathing suits so the other side doesn't try to drag them under.  I really could not follow the action too well, but it's interesting to see for a while.

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I forgot what year it was, but the Olympics were aired over broadcast and cable on like every NBC outlet, and you could watch *anything*. That's what I liked. The primetime NBC cast was pre selected. 

Just now, GussieK said:

I always get sucked in to some of it, no matter what.  This morning I was watching a 13 year old Japanese girl win at street skateboard!  Incredible.  The kind where they slide down a bannister. 

I also watched women's water polo for a while, which is a bit of an odd sport.  The hats are silly.  But their endurance is amazing.  The pool is deep enough so they can never touch bottom, so they have to keep swimming or treading water.  They have to wear special bathing suits so the other side doesn't try to drag them under.  I really could not follow the action too well, but it's interesting to see for a while.

Water polo is insane. 

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Studies have shown water polo to be the most physically demanding Olympic sport in terms of total energy expenditure. Both swimming and fighting in the water for an hour.  

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I unabashedly love water polo during the Olympics, but during any other time, don't care at all. It is so physically demanding. I remember one year they had an underwater camera and you could see the fighting going on beneath the surface. I would certainly want my business to have more protection than a thin swimsuit. 

The caps take away the opportunity for hair pulling and I think they have a special insert to protect ears as well. 

This is the kind of stuff going down.

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Anywhere else and that would be sexual assault...

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2 hours ago, BlackberryJam said:

I unabashedly love water polo during the Olympics, but during any other time, don't care at all. It is so physically demanding. I remember one year they had an underwater camera and you could see the fighting going on beneath the surface. I would certainly want my business to have more protection than a thin swimsuit. 

The caps take away the opportunity for hair pulling and I think they have a special insert to protect ears as well. 

This is the kind of stuff going down.

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Well......hmmm.....I mean.....

 

I guess we know now why there is no mixed doubles water polo. 

 

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20 hours ago, Hiyo said:

Anywhere else and that would be sexual assault...

If they regulate boxing to specify no hitting below the belt, why not put no hitting,pulling,etc. below the belt or above the knees in water polo?

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20 minutes ago, Blergh said:

If they regulate boxing to specify no hitting below the belt, why not put no hitting,pulling,etc. below the belt or above the knees in water polo?

Practicality, I'd assume. You'd either need people with snorkels under the water or some sort of reporting + instant replay system. With boxing, everyone can see people's hands at all times.

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I suppose you could install sensors in the pool, but there aren't really just water polo pools, and it probably costs a lot. 

They could make a rule where one hand has to be above the surface all the time.

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There are rules. If they get caught, it’s a penalty. 

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It is illegal in water polo to kick, strike, shove, or hold a player while they're not holding the ball. Penalties can range from a free throw to permanent exclusion with a delayed substitution. The severity of the punishment is reflective of the severity of the violation.

But it’s damn hard to see underwater. Even if they had cameras underwater and a referee monitoring those cameras, there are multiple bodies and limbs to observe through water churn and it happens so fast.

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On 7/26/2021 at 1:36 PM, BlackberryJam said:

I unabashedly love water polo during the Olympics, but during any other time, don't care at all. It is so physically demanding. I remember one year they had an underwater camera and you could see the fighting going on beneath the surface. I would certainly want my business to have more protection than a thin swimsuit. 

The caps take away the opportunity for hair pulling and I think they have a special insert to protect ears as well. 

This is the kind of stuff going down.

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There's one in every crowd.

I just have to ask, I wonder if his balls have dropped back to their normal position.

I have received more than my share of wedgies during my grade school years, and balls tend to play hide and seek after such an event.

19 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

But it’s damn hard to see underwater. Even if they had cameras underwater and a referee monitoring those cameras, there are multiple bodies and limbs to observe through water churn and it happens so fast.

I would rather have a peeing penalty.  No peeing in the pool.

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I do watch a lot of college women's softball.

I wasn't going to watch the Olympics, but when I noticed that there was going to be softball, I tuned in for that, and that alone.  I was extremely disappointed that they didn't have a real softball field and what they did is just basically convert a baseball field for softball use.  It just isn't the same game when it is played on that type of field.   Dirt areas are missing on that Olympic field that are on a regular softball field, and those dirt areas affect the game.

I watched two innings and then quit watching.  I couldn't take it any longer.

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On 7/25/2021 at 5:18 PM, icemiser69 said:

In any case, he was watching Olympic basketball, and my gosh those squeaky basketball shoes I couldn't take it.   I suffer from migraines and it doesn't take much to trigger them.  But damn, can't they make squeakless basketball shoes?   They need to oil them or do something, anything to stop the squeaking.

 

For me, it's the whistles that are now on a microphone...shrieking so damn loud.  It's like a razorblade slicing through my body (I've posted about this before). So, the squeaky sneakers are just slightly annoying to me but I have a good idea how they affect you. Why are sneakers so loudly squeaking today? Is this another amplified sound effect for TV viewers to feel like they're in the arena?

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31 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Why are sneakers so loudly squeaking today? Is this another amplified sound effect for TV viewers to feel like they're in the arena?

There's also not the competing noise there normally is, since the stands are empty, so the squeaks would be more prominent even there in the venue.

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Is there no way for the sound engineers to  edit out the squeaks on the stands and on the playing courts instead of just broadcasting them ? It sounds like a mice colony! 

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On 7/26/2021 at 12:09 PM, DrSpaceman73 said:

Studies have shown water polo to be the most physically demanding Olympic sport in terms of total energy expenditure. Both swimming and fighting in the water for an hour.  

You should check out the footage from the Hungary-Soviet Union match at the 1956 Melbourne Olympics.  There was literally blood in the water after a Soviet player punched a Hungarian one near the end of the match.  This was played only a couple of months after the brutal Soviet suppression of an uprising against the communist government in Budapest, and the match was so violent that the referee ended it early.  The Hungarians won 4-0.  Afterwards some of the players defected.

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I'm officially moving this to unpopular opinions after trying to binge watch sports night.  

First of all Sorkin cannot write comedy. That show is billed as a sitcom but is only mildly funny at best.  But that's not the unpopular opinion I don't think. Sorkin is more known for drama

I just had to stop though and couldn't watch more today.  It's PAINFUL to try and binge watch his shows. Because of the repetition he uses which he thinks conveys wit and insight.  Shakespeare said brevity is the sould of wit.  Sorkin would say repetition and speed is the sould of wit.  And he'd be wrong.  It's irritating.  He writes at times like a teenager who had a 500 word essay to do so he just repeats phrases as filler to meet the word requirement.  

And finally that show at times gets distinct after school special and 80s very special episode vibes with Sorkin going off on preaching about whatever lesson he wants to beat to death. Not at all subtle or nuanced.  

It's not to say there arent so w good episodes or moments or writing. There are.  But overall sportsnight is overrated. I heard to s kf good things about the show before trying it and halfway through season one had to turn it off, irritated by his dialogue. I'll still watch it and finish, I know it's only two seasons but I'm going have to take it in bits and pieces. 

 

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I still like Sports Night, but a strange thing happened the last time I re-watched it: I liked season one less than I used to, and liked season two more than I used to.

Until then, I was of the popular opinion that season one was better, given season two's inherent difficulty with Sorkin and Schlamme juggling The West Wing at the same time, the stupid Dana's Dating Plan storyline, and the presence of Paula Marshall (that last one's just a personal strike against the season - for some reason, she bugs me in everything I've seen her in).  But season one has a lot of Jeremy and Natalie, and while they both have great qualities and moments, they are also frequently annoying, and together they are nearly unbearable at times.

 

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On 7/26/2021 at 11:53 AM, DoctorAtomic said:

Water polo is insane

 

On 7/26/2021 at 12:09 PM, DrSpaceman73 said:

Studies have shown water polo to be the most physically demanding Olympic sport in terms of total energy expenditure. Both swimming and fighting in the water for an hour. 

 

On 7/26/2021 at 4:13 PM, DoctorAtomic said:

I don't how they do that and tread water. And not drown.

Surprisingly, I actually know the answer to this since I dated a water polo guy in high school.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggbeater_kick

Like all the water polo guys (and unlike all the other team sports guys) he was a surfer/hippie type who was very smart, very cool and eventually became a National Park Ranger.  Sometimes I still regret (well, okay, not that much) that I chose to go full-bore on exploring my own open-ended insanity and didn't stick with him.  He was a genuinely good guy, probably still is.

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My unpopular opinion is the 100% judged events. Gymnastics, diving, skateboarding, whatever. I have little patience for any of them. I like sports where there is usually a clear winner. They ran faster, scored more goals, lifted more, whatever. Sure, sometimes the ref's call makes a difference. But on the whole, it's down to the athletes.

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1 hour ago, Anduin said:

My unpopular opinion is the 100% judged events. Gymnastics, diving, skateboarding, whatever. I have little patience for any of them. I like sports where there is usually a clear winner. They ran faster, scored more goals, lifted more, whatever. Sure, sometimes the ref's call makes a difference. But on the whole, it's down to the athletes.

I agree.  i do like watching figure skating (yes I know it's not the winter Olympics this year, jsut saying), but I do feel like even after the rules changes that there is a certain amount of personal taste that goes into the scoring.  If I were an athlete I would want to be in a sport where I know I won.  or more likely in my case, lost.

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The fundamental flaw is that you have to assume the judge is clear and unbiased. That's obviously not been the case historically to the point where anything could be questioned. 

I'm surprised there's not more strict parameters. You did a double axle - 2 points. Threw the lady up and she spun around 3 times - 4 points. Brian Boitano - all the points. 

 

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The fundamental flaw is that you have to assume the judge is clear and unbiased. That's obviously not been the case historically to the point where anything could be questioned. 

I'm surprised there's not more strict parameters. You did a double axle - 2 points. Threw the lady up and she spun around 3 times - 4 points. Brian Boitano - all the points. 

Different subject - 

"I didn't like the writing" is meaningless. What exactly is 'the writing'? It's become some catch all to say one didn't like something without having to actually give a reason. 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

The fundamental flaw is that you have to assume the judge is clear and unbiased. That's obviously not been the case historically to the point where anything could be questioned. 

I'm surprised there's not more strict parameters. You did a double axle - 2 points. Threw the lady up and she spun around 3 times - 4 points. Brian Boitano - all the points. 

 

They do something like that in diving.  They give the dive a rating based on difficulty and then use that to determine the overall score with the judges rating. 

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1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

The fundamental flaw is that you have to assume the judge is clear and unbiased. That's obviously not been the case historically to the point where anything could be questioned. 

I'm surprised there's not more strict parameters. You did a double axle - 2 points. Threw the lady up and she spun around 3 times - 4 points. Brian Boitano - all the points. 

 

That's mostly what they do for the technical side of the scoring. Every element has a point value and then the judges give extra points or take points away depending on how well that element is executed. Where figure skating judging gets wonky is that there's still a program components parts that's more subjective because it includes things like interpretation of music and performance/execution. Things have gotten much better in the last ten years or so but those program components scores sometimes still baffle me. 

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1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Well then it seems like it should translate to the other sports readily then. 

Then you have to make the decision when you're making the rules--which gets more points, a clean double axle or an attempted quadruple axle where the skater falls on his/her butt, and all the things that can happen in between, i.e. a two footed landing, a bobbled landing, an incomplete rotation. 

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7 hours ago, Anduin said:

My unpopular opinion is the 100% judged events. Gymnastics, diving, skateboarding, whatever. I have little patience for any of them. I like sports where there is usually a clear winner. They ran faster, scored more goals, lifted more, whatever. Sure, sometimes the ref's call makes a difference. But on the whole, it's down to the athletes.

My unpopular opinion is the opposite, in that it doesn't really bother me that the Olympics has some judged events, since one way or another just about every event is judge (except maybe some track and field events where they have gotten to the point where everything can be determined automatically). Like a skater or a diver losing out on a medal isn't really that different than a basketball team losing a medal because the ref called too many fouls on one side. Sure there are degrees to how much influence there is but other than that it's not that different.

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16 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I'm officially moving this to unpopular opinions after trying to binge watch sports night. 

I was extremely underwhelmed by Sports Night when it first aired, and stopped watching a few episodes in.

6 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

The fundamental flaw is that you have to assume the judge is clear and unbiased. That's obviously not been the case historically to the point where anything could be questioned. 

I'm surprised there's not more strict parameters. You did a double axle - 2 points. Threw the lady up and she spun around 3 times - 4 points. Brian Boitano - all the points. 

 

Actually figure skating's scoring system is a lot more like this than the old "perfect 6" system.

9 hours ago, Anduin said:

My unpopular opinion is the 100% judged events. Gymnastics, diving, skateboarding, whatever. I have little patience for any of them. I like sports where there is usually a clear winner. They ran faster, scored more goals, lifted more, whatever. Sure, sometimes the ref's call makes a difference. But on the whole, it's down to the athletes.

And that's why the Olympics has both kinds of events.  So that there's something for almost everyone.

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6 hours ago, Katy M said:

Then you have to make the decision when you're making the rules--which gets more points, a clean double axle or an attempted quadruple axle where the skater falls on his/her butt, and all the things that can happen in between, i.e. a two footed landing, a bobbled landing, an incomplete rotation. 

As long as the system is consistent, I don't see that as a problem. 

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On 7/29/2021 at 6:47 PM, DrSpaceman73 said:

I just had to stop though and couldn't watch more today.  It's PAINFUL to try and binge watch his shows. Because of the repetition he uses which he thinks conveys wit and insight.  Shakespeare said brevity is the sould of wit.  Sorkin would say repetition and speed is the sould of wit.  And he'd be wrong.  It's irritating.  He writes at times like a teenager who had a 500 word essay to do so he just repeats phrases as filler to meet the word requirement. 

I can't give this person credit because I don't remember who wrote it, but this is something I copied and saved (because it amused me) from a TWoP post in which someone was giving an example of how someone in a Sorkin show would compliment someone's cookies:

A: (enters room) Chocolate chip cookies.
B: What?
A: Chocolate chip cookies.
B: Chocolate chip cookies?
A: Chocolate chip cookies, my friend.
B: Cookies, we're talking about. With chocolate chips in them.
A: I always loved your mom's chocolate chip cookies.

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2 hours ago, janie jones said:

I can't give this person credit because I don't remember who wrote it, but this is something I copied and saved (because it amused me) from a TWoP post in which someone was giving an example of how someone in a Sorkin show would compliment someone's cookies:

A: (enters room) Chocolate chip cookies.
B: What?
A: Chocolate chip cookies.
B: Chocolate chip cookies?
A: Chocolate chip cookies, my friend.
B: Cookies, we're talking about. With chocolate chips in them.
A: I always loved your mom's chocolate chip cookies.

I can literally hear that in Josh Lyman and Sam Seaborn's voices. (Or Toby!) LOL 

Personally I really enjoyed the west wing through about the first three seasons or so on my first watch, but I tried to rewatch it a few years ago, and I could barely make it through a few episodes because I found most of the characters so insufferable. A friend also made me try to sit through an episode of Newsroom, and I was done after a few minutes. And I normally love Jeff Daniels!

It's made me reluctant to watch anything else by Sorkin.

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