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On 9/25/2019 at 5:00 AM, DoctorAtomic said:

Yes her. She was a big wackadoo conspiracy theory person at the start. 

I just loved that she was, yeah some of you clones aren't much. 

Yes not only did she think the clones looked nothing like her, but because she had conspiracy theories of her own she though theirs were really crap - as in I'm better looking than you, and my script is way better than yours.   

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17 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

No, she didn't invent it or perfect it, but there was a fairly wide array of characters that she played really well. And really, the dance scene was just a lot of fun. 

For me it wasn't so much that she played all these different characters but that she constantly had to act with herself, sometimes with more than one of herself and sometimes for fairly dramatic scenes. That shit ain't easy! 

I hated the show the first time I tried to watch it, didn't much care for the first ep the second time I tried to sit through it, but when the second ep came out I tried again and never looked back. (It went off the rails in later seasons but the first few seasons were magic). I also do think it's amazing that half the cast is one person. Tatiana worked her butt off on that show. 

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I liked it well enough in Season 1.  For me sometimes watching it, it felt like it was sometimes self-aware of its own gimmick.

I think Tatiana Maslany does a good job with the different personas, but my UO is that it isn't that groundbreaking, a lot of actors could do the same.

I really liked the first season, but the first few episodes of season two completely turned me off.  People said the season got better, but meh.  There are too many tv options out there to sit through something that possibly gets better.  I haven't looked back, I have zero desire to give the show a second chance.

Yes, Tatiana Maslany was good and deserved the Emmy and all that, but I think there were actors on soap operas who did the alter, twin and multiple character thing as well, or better than, Ms. Maslany.  David Canary playing Adam pretending to be Stuart pretending to be Adam on All My Children was an absolute masterclass.

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Inspector Morse is horrible.  I watched Inspector Lewis, and loved it, and I watched Endeavour, and loved it, but I could barely get through the first episode of Morse before thinking that he was really an unlikeable asshole.

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9 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

For me it wasn't so much that she played all these different characters but that she constantly had to act with herself, sometimes with more than one of herself and sometimes for fairly dramatic scenes. That shit ain't easy! 

There were stand-ins for those scenes for Maslany to act against, who were dressed as the characters and saying all the lines. She wasn’t acting with thin air. 

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12 hours ago, kariyaki said:

There were stand-ins for those scenes for Maslany to act against, who were dressed as the characters and saying all the lines. She wasn’t acting with thin air. 

Yes, I know how it works, but it is still not easy to act against someone who isn't going to actually be in the shot, to remember the reaction stand in had so that you react appropriately when you are now playing stand in character and having to redo the same scene over and over and have the same level of reaction and emotion. I can't imagine anyone thinking it's just a typical acting performance to play 6 different characters in one scene. It's not the same as skit performance and it's a bit more logistically tricky than playing twins. It is much more technical than a typical acting job and not all actors can do it. And I'm sure there are things other actors can do that she can't. She's not the greatest thing that ever lived, but she deserves some serious props for her performance on Orphan Black. 

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The Good Place lost its way when the writers started pushing Eleanor/Chidi as a major component of the show. Season 3 felt drab and far too typical of any other sitcom, in terms of the romance/jealousy/'will they, won't they' dynamic.

I feel no excitement at all over the prospect of season 4, and that's truly disappointing, because the first two seasons were really fucking special.

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On ‎09‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 8:51 PM, Silver Raven said:

Inspector Morse is horrible.  I watched Inspector Lewis, and loved it, and I watched Endeavour, and loved it, but I could barely get through the first episode of Morse before thinking that he was really an unlikeable asshole.

I watched it on and off because some of the mysteries were quite interesting, but yeah, he was not particularly likeable, had major hang-ups about women and was a terrible snob, imo.  I'm not much of a fan of Endeavour (the names are all just so damned precious), but I did really like Inspector Lewis.

Morse had amazing music, though.

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On 9/9/2019 at 11:15 PM, selkie said:

I was in a Tijuana Flats (inauthentic but tasty fast casual 'Mexican' food) over the weekend, and Sweet Caroline came on the radio. While there was no outright dancing involved, more than half the restaurant did indeed end up singing along to the chorus for no real reason other than it was fun 

I hate that song with a passion, and I used to have it on a vinyl 45 as a kid.   I don't care what show it is on (TBBT), I don't care if it is being played during a nationally televised Red Sox game, I can't mute the television fast enough.

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1 hour ago, Danny Franks said:

The Good Place lost its way when the writers started pushing Eleanor/Chidi as a major component of the show. Season 3 felt drab and far too typical of any other sitcom, in terms of the romance/jealousy/'will they, won't they' dynamic.

I feel no excitement at all over the prospect of season 4, and that's truly disappointing, because the first two seasons were really fucking special.

Amen.  I didn't get more than a couple of episodes into Season 3.

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I still love The Good Place because it's light and fun, but the Chidi/Eleanor stuff is wearing on me. It just wasn't a natural enough progression to them being in love.

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2 hours ago, cpcathy said:

I still love The Good Place because it's light and fun, but the Chidi/Eleanor stuff is wearing on me. It just wasn't a natural enough progression to them being in love.

I was ok with it until the season finale. Then they broke out the trifecta of tropes:

  • Second-Act Breakup: The Official Couple temporarily breaks up in the middle of the story.
  • Toilet Seat Divorce: When a couple breaks up for silly reasons.
  • Lost Love Montage: A montage which plays after a break-up.

This show wasn't supposed to be one that went down the predictable path.  But it did with Chidi and Eleanor.  I hope they put an end to Chidi with amnesia soon.  I don't care if they are together or not but I don't like will they / won't they be reunited and the heartache of the tragically parted by laser guided amnesia trope being the focus.

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"Friends" has to be one of the most bland and boring shows that has been run to death in television now in syndication.   I don't know which is worse,  "Friends" or "Mad About You."   At least "Mad About You" had the cute dog.

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5 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

"Friends" has to be one of the most bland and boring shows that has been run to death in television now in syndication.   I don't know which is worse,  "Friends" or "Mad About You."   At least "Mad About You" had the cute dog.

TOTALLY agree with you re Friends but until it somewhat flaked out in its last half, I liked Mad About You. Also, not only did Mad About You have the cute dog but their waitress Ursula was a little more fun than her twin Phoebe on Friends ( and at least Ursula was smart enough not to get mixed up then dragged down by a pack of solipsistic  bores) .

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42 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

"Friends" has to be one of the most bland and boring shows that has been run to death in television now in syndication.   I don't know which is worse,  "Friends" or "Mad About You."   At least "Mad About You" had the cute dog.

31 minutes ago, Blergh said:

TOTALLY agree with you re Friends but until it somewhat flaked out in its last half, I liked Mad About You. Also, not only did Mad About You have the cute dog but their waitress Ursula was a little more fun than her twin Phoebe on Friends ( and at least Ursula was smart enough not to get mixed up then dragged down by a pack of solipsistic  bores) .

Don't forget Uncle Phil! 

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Truly unpopular opinion, I despise animals in TV shows. The dogs aren’t cute, the cats aren’t amusing, the monkeys can go away. Add an animal to the ‘cast’ or episode and it’s a hard NO.

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27 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

The dogs aren’t cute

That is the single most wrong sentence I have ever read!!!!!! 

Replace "animals" "dogs" "cats" and "monkeys with "kids", and and that is how I feel. Kids on TV suck! They either can't act or over act. I couldn't stand the Olsen Twins on Full House. I thought Michelle was terrible and the worst part of the show. 

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While not a prude by any means, I've been critical of the sheer amount of explicit sex and nudity (and violence, too, but that's not what this post is about) on GOT.  When I heard about how many people were upset with Maisie Williams' love scene in season 8, I thought that even though she's in her 20s now, I can see how watching such a scene with a very young looking woman that we've known since she was a teenager might be bothersome.  We just started season 8 and when I realized that the scene was coming up, I braced for the same type of scene I've become accustomed to in the past 7 seasons.

That was it?  Seriously?  A butt and some side boob and her falling on top of him while they were kissing?  I wish all the scenes had been that mild. 

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1 hour ago, Shannon L. said:

That was it?  Seriously?  A butt and some side boob and her falling on top of him while they were kissing?  I wish all the scenes had been that mild. 

I do think that it was more about us having watched Arya grow up from a little girl. As far as sex scene's on GOT go, that barely was one. lol I had no problem with GOT sex scenes were sex was actually involved. It was the random naked women just wondering around in background shots that bothered me. That, far more than the sex, just felt gratuitous. 

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Unpopular opinion about television news (at least I think this may be): I think personally (and strongly have believed lately) that Jim Gardner of 6ABC Action News in Philadelphia is, and has been, far more interesting than any of the news personalities have ever been in my area in the South (meaning that, when it comes to television news, he has/has had that "it", as it were, much as Joey King has had in Tinseltown as an actress).

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5 hours ago, bmasters9 said:

Unpopular opinion about television news (at least I think this may be): I think personally (and strongly have believed lately) that Jim Gardner of 6ABC Action News in Philadelphia is, and has been, far more interesting than any of the news personalities have ever been in my area in the South

Jim Gardner is the best ( I wasn't aware that's an unpopular opinion). I can't compare him to news personalities in the South but he is the best in Philadelphia news and has been for as long as I can remember.

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44 minutes ago, shoregirl said:

Jim Gardner is the best ( I wasn't aware that's an unpopular opinion). 

That's why I said "at least I think this may be": because I didn't want to state that opinion and possibly have it called wrong.

BTW, I made the comparison the way I did based on my opinion of the quality (or lack thereof) of the news products down here (and, JMO, WYFF News 4 is not that good a product to me; if they were a little better, I would have their app [I have an Android  phone, and it has the 6ABC app on it, and that app gets my eyes far more often than any local station does here]).

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1 hour ago, shoregirl said:

Jim Gardner is the best ( I wasn't aware that's an unpopular opinion). I can't compare him to news personalities in the South but he is the best in Philadelphia news and has been for as long as I can remember.

I've missed him since I got satellite tv and can't the Philly channels anymore.  He's very good, calm, professional and yet personable.

I also miss Ukee Washington from KYW-TV, although that's at least partly because I loved saying his name.  (Ukee!)

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On 10/4/2019 at 11:18 AM, shoregirl said:

Jim Gardner is the best ( I wasn't aware that's an unpopular opinion). I can't compare him to news personalities in the South but he is the best in Philadelphia news and has been for as long as I can remember.

I think he'd make an excellent host of Jeopardy, when Alex decides it's time to step down.

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On 10/3/2019 at 6:31 PM, BlackberryJam said:

Truly unpopular opinion, I despise animals in TV shows. The dogs aren’t cute, the cats aren’t amusing, the monkeys can go away. Add an animal to the ‘cast’ or episode and it’s a hard NO.

You are brave, my friend.  I don't haaate animals on TV shows per say, but I don't care about them.  I don't look for them and I don't blink if they're not seen/mentioned in a given episode.  They're a non-entity for me.

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21 minutes ago, kiddo82 said:

You are brave, my friend.  I don't haaate animals on TV shows per say, but I don't care about them.  I don't look for them and I don't blink if they're not seen/mentioned in a given episode.  They're a non-entity for me.

Domestic animals in a TV show are fine - dogs, cats, hamsters. Whatever. They've evolved to be around humans, and to be part of the human world. But wild animals that are trained to perform? Monkeys, apes, big cats? Absolutely not. I do not want to see them, because their lives are usually sad, lonely and unnatural.

And any TV show that thinks a monkey is going to make things funnier? It doesn't. Ever. Friends was a great show, but all the stuff with that monkey was awful.

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40 minutes ago, Danny Franks said:

And any TV show that thinks a monkey is going to make things funnier? It doesn't. Ever. Friends was a great show, but all the stuff with that monkey was awful.

I was totally on the side of the animal control woman when that monkey was taken away. I just thought Ross was a jerk for having that monkey at all. (Also don't really believe he'd have him, but I can't even remember the story behind him.)

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18 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

I was totally on the side of the animal control woman when that monkey was taken away. I just thought Ross was a jerk for having that monkey at all. (Also don't really believe he'd have him, but I can't even remember the story behind him.)

IIRC, the monkey was supposedly from a lab that Ross had either started doing tests on and/or had rescued in his research.

 Of course, what infuriated me about the whole business was that Ross became immediately obsessed over this monkey (and all his chums supported him) but, in the meantime, had left his firstborn son behind with his wife and her companion and barely visited (or even mentioned) him! Yeah, I stuck with that show longer than I should have!

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50 minutes ago, Blergh said:

had left his firstborn son behind with his wife and her companion and barely visited (or even mentioned) him!

Until Emma was born, he mentioned and visited with him quite often.  There's no way he would have gotten majority, or probably even equal, custody had he filed for it.

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But Ross didn't even TRY to seek out any more custody or visitation- just passively let his ex do whatever. A most infuriating fail! 

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4 minutes ago, Blergh said:

But Ross didn't even TRY to seek out any more custody or visitation- just passively let his ex do whatever. A most infuriating fail! 

He demanded a weekend, and they gave him a weekend.  I'm not really sure what you want, but he had visitation that they had agreed on.  I'm not sure what Ben's last name is, but he certainly argued about that.  And, he and Susan came up with Ben's first name together, effectively naming him after Phoebe.  It's better for Ben for them to get along instead of acrimoniously fighting everything out in court.

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1 hour ago, Katy M said:

He demanded a weekend, and they gave him a weekend.  I'm not really sure what you want, but he had visitation that they had agreed on.  I'm not sure what Ben's last name is, but he certainly argued about that.  And, he and Susan came up with Ben's first name together, effectively naming him after Phoebe.  It's better for Ben for them to get along instead of acrimoniously fighting everything out in court.

This was actually one of the things I hated about that show. It seemed like everyone including Ross was expected to celebrate his ex's relationship when the woman had an affair behind his back and kept it secret until she was ready to move in with the woman and raise the baby she'd conveniently conceived right before leaving. As if her being gay made it not a betrayal. They even wanted to give Ben a hyphenated name of of the two women, iirc, and the wife whined at the kid's birth that there was no official title for her as the mistress. (Which was stupid anyway, since she was going to be stepmom/mom.)

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I maintain that Ross Gellar as an emotionally abusive asshat whose behavior was never called out and who never suffered the consequences he deserved. If he had grown and changed throughout the course of the show, that would be one thing, but he never did.

Still love the first five seasons of Friends, in spite of its flaws (however glaring they may be).

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21 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I maintain that Ross Gellar as an emotionally abusive asshat whose behavior was never called out and who never suffered the consequences he deserved. If he had grown and changed throughout the course of the show, that would be one thing, but he never did.

Still love the first five seasons of Friends, in spite of its flaws (however glaring they may be).

I always found it really creepy to think of Rachel being with a guy who seemed to have never stopped resenting her for not returning his crush in high school and still, in his 30s, thought that being the nerd made him fundamentally better than she was because she was a cheerleader and worked in fashion. 

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54 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

This was actually one of the things I hated about that show. It seemed like everyone including Ross was expected to celebrate his ex's relationship when the woman had an affair behind his back and kept it secret until she was ready to move in with the woman and raise the baby she'd conveniently conceived right before leaving. As if her being gay made it not a betrayal. They even wanted to give Ben a hyphenated name of of the two women, iirc, and the wife whined at the kid's birth that there was no official title for her as the mistress. (Which was stupid anyway, since she was going to be stepmom/mom.)

I definitely agree with all that. My point was, though, that since that was the situation, it's better to just agree on what you can about the kid.  Kids are innocent and they do need to be used as pawns for fights, and they don't need to be a rope in a tug-of-war.

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53 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

This was actually one of the things I hated about that show. It seemed like everyone including Ross was expected to celebrate his ex's relationship when the woman had an affair behind his back and kept it secret until she was ready to move in with the woman and raise the baby she'd conveniently conceived right before leaving. As if her being gay made it not a betrayal. They even wanted to give Ben a hyphenated name of of the two women, iirc, and the wife whined at the kid's birth that there was no official title for her as the mistress. (Which was stupid anyway, since she was going to be stepmom/mom.)

Yep, and let's see how good a parent a character would have been had a woman done EXACTLY the same thing re her newborn and ex as Ross did! She'd have been considered a VERY lousy mother that no one would have been surprised had the kid grown up to totally resent re the neglect and solipsism. So why should Ross have gotten a free pass because he was a father and his ex gotten a free pass merely due to her preferences? 

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4 hours ago, Blergh said:

IIRC, the monkey was supposedly from a lab that Ross had either started doing tests on and/or had rescued in his research.

Which was a dumb storyline, because lab monkeys are usually very badly socialised, due to spending their entire lives in solitary cages. I've seen Capuchins that have lived their lives like that and, for a lot of them, if they were human we'd say they were insane.

There is no way on earth that someone would be able to take a lab monkey as a pet. And I guess this sort of misinformed writing is another reason I hate to see wild animals in cutesy roles on TV shows - they do not make good pets. They're not designed for it, even if raised from birth. I guess, at least, that Friends showed that in the end, but it still annoys me that there will have been people who watched those episodes and thought, 'what a great idea. A pet monkey."

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1 minute ago, Katy M said:

I definitely agree with all that. My point was, though, that since that was the situation, it's better to just agree on what you can about the kid.  Kids are innocent and they do need to be used as pawns for fights, and they don't need to be a rope in a tug-of-war.

Oh yeah, I didn't think fighting between them would have been good for Ben at all. It just seemed weird when people seemed to go beyond that.

1 minute ago, Blergh said:

Yep, and let's see how good a parent a character would have been had a woman done EXACTLY the same thing re her newborn and ex as Ross did! She'd have been considered a VERY lousy mother that no one would have been surprised had the kid grown up to totally resent re the neglect and solipsism. So why should Ross have gotten a free pass because he was a father and his ex gotten a free pass merely due to her preferences? 

I always thought he was supposed to be seeing the kid regularly per their visitation agreement off-screen and we just didn't see the kid because he was boring.

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Michael Sheen is a hammy, scenery-chewing, show-ruining actor in both The Good Fight and Prodigal Son. (I did like him in Good Omens.)

The cheesy soundtrack in Stumptown spoils an otherwise good show. It's like the music editor found a 99 cent bargain bin "Now That's What I call Music" compilation cassette tape and went with it.

Walton Goggins is miscast as a warm-and-fuzzy CBS sitcom dad.

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1 minute ago, 2727 said:

The cheesy soundtrack in Stumptown spoils an otherwise good show.

I watched the second episode of the show and she spent the whole time fighting people.  It was OTT.

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20 hours ago, 2727 said:

The cheesy soundtrack in Stumptown spoils an otherwise good show. It's like the music editor found a 99 cent bargain bin "Now That's What I call Music" compilation cassette tape and went with it.

The thing about Stumptown is it's a fucking tape stuck in the car. We have nearly hit the limits to how many songs can be on it before we get repeats. The bane of my mix-tape making days was how few songs you could get on a tape. But I'm certain we will have new songs sneaking in there every week and it bugs me.

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On ‎10‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 2:50 PM, 2727 said:

Michael Sheen is a hammy, scenery-chewing, show-ruining actor in both The Good Fight and Prodigal Son.

Michael Sheen is capable of being a wonderful actor.  He was fantastic in The Queen and Frost/Nixon.  As well as most things in which I've seen him.  However, he's also capable of being hammy and scenery-chewing, and when that doesn't match the tone of the show or movie, it can be difficult to watch.

Edited to note: he was great in The Damned United, as well.  And maybe a little bit hammy, but it suited the role.

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On 9/28/2019 at 7:51 PM, Silver Raven said:

Inspector Morse is horrible.  I watched Inspector Lewis, and loved it, and I watched Endeavour, and loved it, but I could barely get through the first episode of Morse before thinking that he was really an unlikeable asshole.

I hadn't seen Inspector Morse since its original run but after enjoying Inspector Lewis and loving Endeavour, I am re-watching it.  I really want to like it but I am having trouble connecting Morse to Endeavour.  They have certain things in common, but you may be right that Morse is an unlikable asshole.  There is a sweetness and sensitivity in Endeavour that has turned sour in Morse. 

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4 minutes ago, Suzn said:

I hadn't seen Inspector Morse since its original run but after enjoying Inspector Lewis and loving Endeavour, I am re-watching it.  I really want to like it but I am having trouble connecting the Morse to Endeavour.  They have certain things in common, but you may be right that Morse in an unlikable asshole.  There is a sweetness and sensitivity in Endeavour that has turned sour in Morse. 

I like the show Morse but like Endeavour more. The character Morse annoyed me because he was so quick to say crass things about what he considered an unattractive woman but was no catch himself. This made him even more unattractive.

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I don't know if this would be considered a UO but I wish that show runners and fans (like myself sometimes) would get that there are shows that can run for 5-7 seasons, shows that can run for maybe 2-3 seasons and shows that should only run one season.   I think about some of the new shows I'm watching:

I like Emergence, but I can't see it lasting more than one season.  There is a little girl at the center of it and next year she's going to look a lot older.  How will they explain that (the same thing happened with Walt on "Lost.")

I can see Prodigal Son lasting for a few seasons unless it gets too off the rails the way Hannibal did in its last season.

I like Stumptown but if Dex doesn't change somewhat, the show will get silly for me, I mean how many times can she get the shit kicked out of her?

I liked Empire the first season, but it got silly after the third season.  How many times will the Lyon Empire be in danger?  

The first two seasons of Prison Break were great, but after that...I didn't like.  

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12 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I don't know if this would be considered a UO but I wish that show runners and fans (like myself sometimes) would get that there are shows that can run for 5-7 seasons, shows that can run for maybe 2-3 seasons and shows that should only run one season.   I think about some of the new shows I'm watching:

I like Emergence, but I can't see it lasting more than one season.  There is a little girl at the center of it and next year she's going to look a lot older.  How will they explain that (the same thing happened with Walt on "Lost.")

I can see Prodigal Son lasting for a few seasons unless it gets too off the rails the way Hannibal did in its last season.

I like Stumptown but if Dex doesn't change somewhat, the show will get silly for me, I mean how many times can she get the shit kicked out of her?

I liked Empire the first season, but it got silly after the third season.  How many times will the Lyon Empire be in danger?  

The first two seasons of Prison Break were great, but after that...I didn't like.  

I agree about wanting more seasons but in order to get more original, shows are becoming more gimmicky and when they do that the shows tend to die quicker.

Take the show "Forever" great show (I wanted it go on BTW) but the gimmick was he was immortal trying to find the secret to his curse. In the first season he found the secret and it didn't leave much story left to tell.

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34 minutes ago, juno said:

I agree about wanting more seasons but in order to get more original, shows are becoming more gimmicky and when they do that the shows tend to die quicker.

Take the show "Forever" great show (I wanted it go on BTW) but the gimmick was he was immortal trying to find the secret to his curse. In the first season he found the secret and it didn't leave much story left to tell.

Agreed. Sometimes, it's a creative blessing in disguise when a show lasts only one season. Case in point? The Comeback. The premise was delightful (a fake reality show chronicling a washed-up actress Valerie Cherish's attempt at a comeback), but it only lasted one season. Ostensibly unfortunate (after all, critics and audiences loved it), but I viewed it as unintentionally brilliant, because the premise of the show is all about the tenuous nature of show business and how failure is part of the game, and the fact that the actual show itself didn't last feels like a meta commentary of the fate of Valerie's reality series. 

Which is why the years too late second season of The Comeback annoyed the crap out of me. It defeats the purpose, not to mention that I can only watch Valerie fail so many times.

That's another thing: Either end a show or don't (preferably do), don't pull a bogus "new season" out of your ass literal years after the fact.

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