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Ok, I'm hoping others are watching this show. I happened to catch the first two eps and I actually liked it. There were moments of wtf and pissing me off but I'm in it till the end. I think it's only 6-8 episodes and the next season will focus on something completely different so at the end of the season we will know who the Executioner is.

 

So....who do I think is the killer?.... I don't know, I'm planning on re-watching the first two eps today or tomorrow. I wanted to say the husband...but I think the writers will have it be one of the towns folks who knew about whatever crazy shit was going down with Sarah's parents and the porno business. I'm thinking it's gonna be something random like the newspaper owner lady. They keep going out of their way to say man or woman..even though we know in the real world 99.999% it would be a man. Plus a woman probably wouldn't be able to drag a 13-15 year old unconscious boy on the ground like he weighed nothing but I'm sure little stuff like this wont be explained when the person is revealed. 

 

Things I liked:

  • Most of the characters were interesting, no one I truly hated except the crazy hateful neighbor lady and she died real quick so yay that.
  • Lots of deaths/near deaths right off the bat, I cringed when Sarah's mom tried to run when she saw her husband was being murdered and she slipped in the blood and landed hard on her stomach.

 

Things I Don't Like So Much:

  • Sarah going to the prison and hanging out with the dude that murdered her parents and cut her out of her mothers stomach. 
  • That she takes advice from him regarding evidence and then runs off by herself in the woods after a killer. I was hoping she would die right there, would have been surprising and apt. I got frustrated when psycho killer told her not to go off on her own and she was like, "don't tell me what to do!"...you know you should actually listen to that piece of advice.
  • That the good lucking gay guy died, I would have liked to look at him a little more. I had a feeling he was a goner when his husband survived. Did we see both of them in a bed with another couple and him snorting cocaine at one point? I wasn't sure I saw that right...so when Hubby was computer cheating I was like..maybe he isn't actually doing anything wrong???

 

I hope whomever it is is someone we have seen and it makes sense.

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I'm watching! Just saw the first episode. I'm also the mod for this thread. I think unless traffic picks up, we'll stick to discussing the episodes right here.

I loved the episode! Scary and not campy at all. The opening scene was really well done, in my opinion. I can't wait to see where this goes, and I hope more people end up watching & discussing it. ;-)

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I watched it with low expectations and thought it was surprisingly engaging. Having the story revolve around adults was refreshing, and as much as I disagree with the main character's decisions (which is par for the course with this genre) I find the actress oddly charming. 

 

The killer isn't all that scary to me - the executioner's garb is a bit too on the nose - but the murders have been pretty effective. The rest of the show is really clean and pretty, so when someone suddenly gets their hands and legs chopped off on-screen, it's appropriately jarring without being over the top. 

 

I'm in.

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I saw all three episodes yesterday. A friend rec'd it to me and said that it was basically everything that the TV show Scream should have been only with an older cast. I have to agree that it's already better than Scream so there's that. 

 

One thing that I like about the killer is that he moves so fast. It's not that Michael Myers slow walk of doom where you're wondering why these dumbasses can't get away from him. This guy is a fucking sprinter! I honestly was not expecting him to just take off running after that chick when they were in the middle of the road. 

 

As far as the opening scene, I'm curious as to why the guy dressed as a king was allowed to escape. He took way too long to run. I physically cringed when the pregnant woman fell hard like that. Jeez, this show is brutal especially for basic cable. 

 

I will say that I'm a little tired already of the female lead having a bunch of close calls with this guy. I get that she's the lead but when she was in that closet there was no reason for him to not kill her other than she's the lead. Stuff like that is going to get old. I also sort of wish that they'd allowed the lead actress to use her normal accent because the girl is struggling like for real. 

 

I'm still confused about the original killer. Basically my thoughts right now are that Tom Winston is the father of Sarah. I'm not even sure if he really killed anyone and am on the fence about that. He seems weirdly concerned about her and I thought it was odd that he mentioned that she's the only person who is allowed to visit him other than lawyers. 

 

I'm super confused about everything that happened with the grandmother and admit that I was kind of multitasking during the third episode. Why was the girl who wasn't the target of the grandmother in the car? Does the bitchy girl suspect that the grandmother was involved? Clearly the killer knows what the grandmother did so that suggests that the killer is older or is connected to someone who knows what happened. 

 

I can't say I had much sympathy for the grandmother considering what she did and how she seemed to think that she'd already personally suffered enough. What a selfish woman. Even if the girl hadn't been in the car and she'd hit her intended target that shit still wouldn't have been right. She's sitting there giggling next to the woman whose life she ruined and she has attitude with the woman who was her intended target?   

 

Suspects:

 

The preacher is definitely shady I'm just not sure how shady. The cop son quickly showing up after Sarah's attack was suspect and makes me think that he and the preacher could be working together. 

 

Next in line is the husband of the neighbor who was murdered.

 

Third choice is the husband of Sarah mainly because he's been in the vicinity when stuff has gone down. 

 

Dean McDermott's character is on my radar only because physically he seems to match best with the killer. More so than Sarah's husband.

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The Executioner's speed is what really drew my attention. Him sprinting after his prey is terrifying to me!

I'm really loving this show; eons better than Scream and Harper's Island.

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I really do have to watch Harper's Island. I keep hearing it mentioned with Scream, Scream Queens, and now this. 

 

I have read speculation that Sarah is the Executioner and that these chases are all in her mind. I really, really, really hope that this doesn't turn out to be the case because that would pretty much be the definition of underwhelming. 

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I agree, l hope it's not Sarah, but having just read that while watching the 3rd episode again, I can certainly see how that would be possible!!! Like multiple personality disorder? A little underwhelming, sure, but I'd love to see the "truth comes out" episode & her growing horror at the realization.

And Harper's Island was fun, but I felt like most of it was telegraphed way in advance; or maybe I just watch too many horror/slasher genres and am jaded. :-)

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I'm still confused about the original killer. Basically my thoughts right now are that Tom Winston is the father of Sarah. I'm not even sure if he really killed anyone and am on the fence about that. He seems weirdly concerned about her and I thought it was odd that he mentioned that she's the only person who is allowed to visit him other than lawyers.

 

 

This I agree with. The way he was holding her in the original murder scene when the cops showed up was very telling. He was holding that kid like it was his or someone he loved. And yes he seems oddly concerned about her in the prison visitation scenes.

 

I'm super confused about everything that happened with the grandmother and admit that I was kind of multitasking during the third episode. Why was the girl who wasn't the target of the grandmother in the car? Does the bitchy girl suspect that the grandmother was involved? Clearly the killer knows what the grandmother did so that suggests that the killer is older or is connected to someone who knows what happened.

 

 

Sarah's grandmother (Brenda) was best friends with Coma Girl (Adda) who was sitting in the middle seat of the car. The driver of the car was Sonya, older lady in the present that was visiting Adda and whom Sarah talks to in the end about her husband possibly being her grandfather. The boy in the front passenger seat was Sonya's boyfriend and now husband Ronald (Ronnie) Edwards.

 

All three girls were friends but it seems Sarah's grandmother slept with Sonya's bf in 1968 and that made her an outcast around the time of the prom. Sonya was calling her a slut during the car ride and saying she slept around and couldn't keep her legs closed ("right Ronnie?"), was probably just jealousy of her having been with her bf. Best friend Adda said she was planning on staying home (because Brenda wasn't going) but was made to go by Sonya... so she wasn't supposed to be there for the brick attack. The brick attack was for Sonya so she could be with Ronnie or just as punishment for Ronnie leaving her. She says in the woods to Sarah that she was targeting Sonya the driver. She was pregnant in the bridge scene with what we are supposed to suspect is Ronnie's baby since she was trying to kill one of them over this, but it might have been someone else's. Bitchy girl (Sonya) suspected, as she said, but never had proof. Sarah told her in the end it was her grandma.

 

I don't believe we have seen present Ronnie? 

 

The hallucination in Sarah's head theory sounds really plausible now that I've read it here. But I can't see Sarah being able to do most of the things we have seen the Executioner do strength wise...but it fits otherwise. Sarah, the executioner and someone else have never been in the same scene as far as I can recall. And Sarah's confession of trying to kill herself reveals some mental instability.

 

Like all of you I like that the Executioner runs, that shit does make it scary...and besides with Sarah he usually gets shit done.

 

Next in line is the husband of the neighbor who was murdered.

 

 

He is dead (supposedly), his name was Peter Mcdermott(?) McBride and was found dead in the cave. The Executioner note with coordinates sent Sarah to his body. They quickly deduced that the wife shot him for sleeping with Sarah's mom in the pornos but I don't know how they got to this without much proof.

 

I think Preacher guy is definitely high on my list. And his son Cam...too goody two shoes at the moment.

 

ETA Ronald is the mayor of Waterbury and the one who Brenda almost had sex with again in present time at the bar....I was distracted during that scene. He just jumped onto my killer list. lol

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The thing about the attack on the car that bothered me was that it was anachronistic for a girl to have been driving. Even with her own car she would have gotten one of the guys to drive just for appearances. Also, as with many of us, Brenda's aim did not get better with age, as she proved useless with the gun. Lastly, a sobering realization to be careful what one wishes for, as gay marriage means, just as with straights, that you assume all your spouse's debts.

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I wondered why Sonya (thanks jvr!) was driving too. Maybe her parents didn't want anyone else driving the car?  

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Really digging this show! Just binged the first three episodes. I'm also confused about Sarah's investigatory visits with her parents killer and miffed about hunky gay's demise (although Robin is definitely more fun). Also pleasantly surprised by how gory it is. I never watched Scream the Series (looked horrible) but Harper's Island was never this gruesome (fun as it was). Eight episodes seems like a good amount of. Not too many to fuck it up (hopefully).

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The ACTING was horrific in this last episode! Poor Sarah. Just as we find out that hubby is a creep, hunky cop gets single but thinks she is a plague upon the town. We also have a clue as to the Executioner from the final scene. Obviously someone with experience in cosmetology.

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The actress playing Cam's wife is not very good at emoting...I got that from her in earlier scenes and it was just worse with this episode focused on her. 

 

It looks like Executioner I is going to get himself a DNA test with that hair from Sarah's asshole husband. This will either confirm or deny what we hypothesized last week that he is her daddy.

 

I still have no idea who Executioner II is, I still want to go with Cam. Has there been any scene so far that rules him out?

 

I think Chief Vaughn seems to be ruled out because he was at Cam's house when June was taken from the church.

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That ending creeped me out. That's like something out of Seven in a way. 

 

I'm starting to be sold on the theory that Sarah is the killer. I'd like to rewatch the episodes with the theory in mind. 

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That ending creeped me out. That's like something out of Seven in a way.

 

Funny, if you play the Slasher game on the Chiller website and ask the Executioner his favorite movie...he says Seven. :) https://slasher.chillertv.com/

 

I tried to see if it would reveal any clues but not really. I kept trying to get him to reveal his relationship to Sarah or her parents, it kept leading to the question of whether I believed in god and every time I sad no he would kill me :( lol I finally said yes so I could get past that part and he asked me if i liked the old or new testament...I thought saying new might get me killed again so I said old and he seemed pleased. Haven't played the sequence again because I got killed for annoying him with too many questions.

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Ok, latest episode seems to be pointing to Dylan but that seems way too obvious. Same for Chief Vaughn, I had already eliminated him from being the Executioner (he was at Cams house when June was taken from the church) but now we know that he was the one who kidnapped that teenage girl which brings together the storyline with the crazy lady Heather Peterson who keeps talking about her disappeared daughter.

 

That was a very creepy scene where he went into his little sealed bunker to where that girl has been living trapped for what? 6 years...and to see that child...ugh. Can't wait for the Executioner to kill his ass...but hopefully he releases the girl and little boy first so they don't starve to death without their capture/rapist coming to visit anymore.

 

Newspaper lady got it, which I knew was going to happen. How stupid to meet with a dude that is killing people who have committed past misdeeds knowing you have a shady past. You (seem to) escape this little stupid mission and then decide nows the time to reveal my prior stupid misdeeds to someone!

 

I guess I'm going to go back to Sarah being the killer (even though it doesn't fit physically)...Dylan must have told her about what he heard newspaper lady say and we didn't see it. June didn't die until Sara found out she was in the ambulance car the night teenage girl was allowed to get home by herself. It's her or... sigh I don't know..Alan Henry seems too obvious. So Sarah or Cam still.

 

The one thing the game on the Chiller site does reveal is that the Executioner says he is working alone, I'm going to take his word for it.

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I'd be very surprised if The Executioner is working alone (do they ever?). I don't know if I have a preference, exactly, but I'd be surprised.

That was some shout-out to Room that last scene with the police chief and the teenager.

What about Robin? He's gotten close to Sarah and if he has an accomplice they could've enacted the Robin chase together.

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Yeah, it surprises me that the game on the site says that the Executioner was working alone -- misdirection, maybe? After this episode, I was almost sure that it was two people working together.

 

I knew the Newspaper Lady/Dylan's Boss was going to bite it, but I was shocked by the reveal of where Ariel Peterson has been all these years. I did not see that one coming at all.

 

Really enjoying this show! Like a lot of people have said already it reminds me of Harper's Island and also has a cool '90s slasher film nostalgic feel to it. My vote is still Cam + someone else (Cam mostly because he's one of the few guys who seems tall enough and strong enough to actually fit the physical body type of the Executioner, and because Sheriff Vaughn -- really the only other person with the right body type/height -- is evil, but has been revealed to be a different kind than serial killer evil), but now I'm starting to become suspicious of Robin which sucks because I really like him. I actually think Dean McDermott is doing a great job, for me he steals every scene he's in and he was truly scary at the end when he was smiling at Ariel and the child, gave me chills. The main actress keeps slipping out of her American accent, it's kind of distracting.

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Just looked up the actor who plays Dylan because I thought he looked familiar and, lo and behold, he played Danny on Harper's Island!

So I have four suspects: Dylan (too obvious?), Robin (but only if it's a team), Cam and Officer Sharma (who's name I just looked up on IMDb). Sharma has pretty much been background only but he's there, so why not. Oh, and split personality Sarah, because it's a fun theory that probably won't make any sense. So five suspects. Which at this point are kind of almost everyone except the police chief and New York journalist lady...

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You guys kept mentioning Harper's Island, which I had never seen, so I just binged that shows season all day today. It was ok, there were dumb moments just like in most slasher/horror movies and shows but overall I was entertained. 

 

Man, the one person I wanted to die...that little creepy, lying, withholding information, playing with strangers little girl! Man I wanted her dead, what a little piece of shit. Also I hate when they try and deceive the audience by having a character act weird for misdirection. The minute Jimmy started acting weird I was like, yup...the child of the serial killer is Henry. Henrys reason for helping his psycho dad, that he was mad his mommy gave him up for adoption to be raised in a loving home with two parents, was so fucking infuriating! Or him just flat out being crazy but able to hide it from everyone his entire life until psycho daddy came back into his life. Anyway despite all that I'm happy I watched it lol.

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Well, I think it's safe to say that Chief Vaughn isn't the Executioner. In fact, I'm pretty sure he'll be the Executioner's next target (I refuse to call this guy a 'victim') and that's why we got the reveal now. What the hell, does the wife seriously not know that her husband is a psychopath? She's never heard the crying baby? Or she does know and she's just playing stupid because she doesn't want to face the truth? Ugh.

 

I was honestly not expecting that reveal and coming off of seeing both Room and 10 Cloverfield Lane I was reminded again of how these sorts of kidnappings really do happen. That pale little kid who looks like he's never seen the sun before was just startling. 

 

It'll be kind of ironic if the Executioner ends up being the one to free the girl and her son.

 

All of the people who work at the newspaper kind of bug. 

The main actress keeps slipping out of her American accent, it's kind of distracting.

Seriously. They really should have just made up any excuse for why the character has an accent. Her adoptive parents or whoever raised her ended up taking a job Ireland or Britain or wherever she's from. Her accent is all over the place. I see she's from Ireland but sometimes it sounds English. 

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This ep was so creepy...the women in Chief Vaughn's life were such lowlifes. I hope that wife is going to see the inside of a jail cell (probably not a popular opinion), or maybe a seriously long community service req (and therapy). At a certain point you have to show some damn fortitude, if not for your own life at least for someone else's. The executioner made me wait way too long for that kill.

 

I don't think there were any clues in this one concerning who the killer is. Once again though it's not until Sarah knows who is a 'sinner' that that person dies. Dylan and NY reporter lady had nothing at all to do with this story. Cam was in on it though so I'm still him or Sarah.

 

I hope Sarah is playing Tom Executioner 1, and is just going along with this "we are family" bs to get info out of him.

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Man, this show got real dark. Kind of expected Ariel and the son to actually die (it is horror, after all) but ultimately I'm glad they didn't. I really liked this episode, although it was weird to have it be so Vaughn-centric. It felt like our supposed protagonist barely had any scenes, and the executioner was literally on screen for one second.

 

I've been suspecting Cam since the very first episode (mainly because the actor looks like he could be Tom Winston's son), so I hope it's not him. The other one I suspected early on was Alan Henry (for anyone who watched Nikita, how could Roan not be the killer?) but since he's the most obvious candidate, it's clearly not him.

 

As for the possibility of it being Sarah, I'm all for it at this point. It's the kind of ending that everyone brings up for all mysteries ever and consider it to be cliché, but I almost never see it happen? Like it's so cliché that nobody ever really does it, so to actually do it would be weirdly mindblowing? I don't know, I still expect it to be Cam, and I'd be fine with pretty much anyone else.

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Even though this episode wasn't centered on the main character I thought it was fairly compelling in a cheesy way. 

 

I guess it has to be Cam or Officer Sharma in addition to possibly one other person. The reason I think it has to be a cop is the way Chief Vaughn was killed. How would a non authority figure get a live body in there unnoticed? Also, how did the executioner know where Vaughn would head? He wouldn't go to his own house if he's on the run for kidnapping, rape, torture and whatever else, right? How did the killer know where Vaughn would go? 

This ep was so creepy...the women in Chief Vaughn's life were such lowlifes. I hope that wife is going to see the inside of a jail cell (probably not a popular opinion), or maybe a seriously long community service req (and therapy). At a certain point you have to show some damn fortitude, if not for your own life at least for someone else's. The executioner made me wait way too long for that kill.

 

I don't think there were any clues in this one concerning who the killer is. Once again though it's not until Sarah knows who is a 'sinner' that that person dies. Dylan and NY reporter lady had nothing at all to do with this story. Cam was in on it though so I'm still him or Sarah.

 

I hope Sarah is playing Tom Executioner 1, and is just going along with this "we are family" bs to get info out of him.

Jvr, I am right there with you although I feel like this might not be an unpopular opinion. Even if the wife was scared that the husband would kill them all in that moment, I feel like she could have/should have done something after the fact. She didn't want to know, she didn't care about the hell that girl had been put through for five years, and if it had been up to her she would have pretended until her dying day that the incident never happened. It was so sickening and sad to watch. No normal person is going to let their spouse have a fucking cave in the house that they aren't allowed to ever go into. Ridiculous. I have no sympathy for her. 

 

I have to say that it's a little harder to understand how Ariel didn't try to escape sooner. She was in a way better situation than the girl in Room. All she needed to do was slit Vaughn's throat while he was in his sleep and then she could have taken the keys and fled during the night. I'm guessing that she had a Stockholm thing going where she didn't want to hurt him because I didn't get that. If nothing else she should have bashed him over the head a few times instead of just once and then locked his ass in there. 

 

I also got so annoyed that she wasn't holding onto that kid while they were trying to get out. The kid running down to Daddy was totally frustrating and seemed like something that she could have prevented. The mom in Room at least indicated to her kid that his father was a bad man. Ariel seemed too afraid to do anything like that. 

 

The kid's name is Jake and the kid in Room was named Jack. There's no way that this was a coincidence, right? 

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So....we were all right? I think every single one of us was saying Cam almost from the beginning, especially leading into this ep with most suspects ruled out, and just hedging with an additional name. His father was too obvious and Cam is the only tall man with a religious connection and a connection to Sarah and the first Executioner murders. It will be interesting to see what his motivation is besides just plain lunacy. Maybe his father put some crazy shit in his head when he lost his mind and turned toward faith after escaping death from Executioner 1? Maybe he feels like Sarah denied him romantically prior and he is using that as some type of motivation for the crazy? Who knows...I'm not disappointed by the reveal, it's not egregious..maybe they will give us one more twist in the finally, I expect at least an epic monologue from Cam telling us why he did all this.

 

ETA: I meant to say I don't know if that last creepy faith based convo with his father about the town being "cleansed" was to show that Cam and his father were in on this together? Or at least that Daddy knew what Cam was doing and/or maybe put him up to it? That would be a little bit of a twist since we all kind of dropped Alan as a suspect because it was too obvious and went with his kid instead of saying both of them. Alan could have been just conveying that its all over (the murders for the deadly sins) and have no clue Cam was behind it.

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Tom is even crazier than I thought. He thinks murdering two people was the only way to save his child? What a load of crap. I was annoyed too when he killed the woman and said that he didn't feel sorry for her. 

 

I also don't understand why the killer isn't still going after her friend Robin. (Is that the character's name?) He attacks the guy once, Robin freaks out and narrowly escapes, and now he's no longer a target? Isn't that strange or has Cam just not been able to find the right opportunity? 

 

Sarah seemed more angry than frightened when she found out about Dylan.  

 

I will say that the actor who plays Cam had the perfect facial expressions towards the end. He totally looked like a creepy psychopath. 

 

The stuff between Tom and Rachel was just bizarre. When she walked into the church it seemed weird for him to address her at all. He was acting like some virgin who'd never had sex before. Also, Rachel seems like she feels sorry for this guy so why announce to Brian that she doesn't want to do it anymore? Why not just wait until Tom leaves, tell Brian she's over it, and cut it off with Tom? The situation was handled so poorly. 

 

Brian is such a sleaze bag, wow. Telling his wife to wash Tom off of her and then wanting Tom to tell him how he liked it. What a fucking sicko. 

 

For a series that's on basic cable, this show is as gory as they come, yikes. Every death has been incredibly vicious. The least gruesome death was probably the murder of the grandmother and that was still a horrifying way to go. 

 

I too am confused regarding Cam's motives. 

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I also don't understand why the killer isn't still going after her friend Robin. (Is that the character's name?) He attacks the guy once, Robin freaks out and narrowly escapes, and now he's no longer a target? Isn't that strange or has Cam just not been able to find the right opportunity?

I think Cam "figured out" and said that Robin wasn't ever the real target, but his boyfriend, and that Robin was misdirect. Although I don't know why. Seems the boyfriend could've been killed anyway? And if Robin hadn't been rescued he would have probably still been killed, but that would have been outside the kill code, right? Although I guess being gay is sin enough for these lunatics that either or wouldn't have mattered.

So Cam and his dad is in on it together, right? That's what I took away from it. It's always two killers.

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I think Cam "figured out" and said that Robin wasn't ever the real target, but his boyfriend, and that Robin was misdirect. Although I don't know why. Seems the boyfriend could've been killed anyway? And if Robin hadn't been rescued he would have probably still been killed, but that would have been outside the kill code, right? Although I guess being gay is sin enough for these lunatics that either or wouldn't have mattered.

So Cam and his dad is in on it together, right? That's what I took away from it. It's always two killers.

I'm unconvinced that his father is involved. Mainly because Cam seems like he's being secretive with his little collection of mementos. I think we're still in for another twist of some kind. I feel like there's a personal connection or something that we're missing. 

 

One thing I wondered was why they bothered to show that flashback in 1968 where we see what Sarah's grandmother did. She could have told the story without the visual and that brings me back to the friend who didn't die. What was the point in having the character live? Why do we meet Sonya and Ronnie? Are they going to factor in again? 

 

I'm just trying to come up with some sort of personal connection for Cam as a motive in addition to him already being a fanatical psychopath. We've never heard about Cam's mother, have we? There's no way that there were two babies, right because it would have been mentioned by Tom. 

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I don't remember if Priest Dad was at Robin's husband's house when he died, but Cam was with Robin at the hospital and I don't know how easy it would be for Cam to spike the drink of death so far in advance if he wasn't present when it happened.

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I think this officially qualifies as anticlimactic. 

 

I don't feel like the finale told me anything that I didn't know already apart from Cam's incidents of bed wetting and mother killing. 

 

I'm still confused as to what all Cam's father knew about the recent Slasher stuff. I thought he was talking about Cam killing his mother. 

 

Sarah having sex with Cam made no sense to me.

 

I guess a season of The Bad Seed could be interesting if there ends up being more to it than that. Part of the fun is guessing who the killer is and they basically already told us that there's going to be a little Rhoda on the loose. 

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God she took forever to kill Cam. That wasn't so much self defense as pre meditated murder but of course noone cared because... these shows never address that playing executioner should have some consequences, if not legal then psychological. 

 

I liked the show but this last episode just felt like a complete failure. 

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I liked it! Didn't love it but, eh, it was totally okay. I wasn't expecting much more than I got, apart from Terrible NY Reporter not getting murdered. Glad Robin survived (a stabbing to the heart?!).

Also it gave us shirtless Cam working out which was just one of the best things all season.

I'm not expecting next season to be about Lil' Rhoda, I just saw it as a fun little coda. I hope it will be a new setting with new characters. If it comes back at all, which I really hope it does!

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God she took forever to kill Cam. That wasn't so much self defense as pre meditated murder but of course noone cared because... these shows never address that playing executioner should have some consequences, if not legal then psychological.

I liked the show but this last episode just felt like a complete failure.

I thought the same thing about premeditated murder, and was surprised (not really though) that nothing happened to Sarah. Also, I half expected she would be pregnant by Cam & that the child would be the "bad seed" due to its lineage....

Oh well, it was a fun season, and heaps better than Scream, so I guess I'm satisfied. I hope we get another season. :-)

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I thought it was better than Scream too. I guess the ending was better than Scream Queens. That's the best thing I can say.

 

I agree though that I hope the show gets renewed and that they have a mostly new cast. I still want one of these horror shows to do a summer camp idea. 

 

Also, I half expected she would be pregnant by Cam & that the child would be the "bad seed" due to its lineage....

I literally thought that's what would happen. She'd broken up with her husband for about six minutes so I thought maybe they threw this in there so that audiences would wonder if she'd have a Cam Jr on her hands. 

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I liked the ending.  Yeah, Cam was kinda obvious from about episode 3 on, but still, it was good.

 

Unlike some, I especially enjoyed that Sarah cut him repeatedly.  I've always been annoyed at the end, when the heroine runs out the door and leaves the person who has been DESTROYING their life alive.  She locked that door and I cheered.  I didn't stop until she slashed the throat.  I'm glad she did, but DAMN.

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God she took forever to kill Cam.

 

I know right! Just kill that crazy fucker quickly.

 

 

That wasn't so much self defense as pre meditated murder but of course noone cared because... these shows never address that playing executioner should have some consequences, if not legal then psychological.

 

I don't agree. I think people in real life kill (in self defense or grey areas of defense) and there are no legal or psychological ramifications, even for people who are sane and probably will never kill again. Regarding self defense, who is gonna prove it really? Who is going to be looking to prove it? This dude killed 9 (? mommy + daddy) people and had run around that day stabbing a few more. There were clear signs of a struggle, the only witness is her husband who I don't think will rat her out since he held the dude down. I'm sure a half assed investigation could come to the conclusion he was struggling against Dylan to still kill them and she stabbed him a few times and sliced his throat to finally stop him. 

 

 

Unlike some, I especially enjoyed that Sarah cut him repeatedly.  I've always been annoyed at the end, when the heroine runs out the door and leaves the person who has been DESTROYING their life alive.  She locked that door and I cheered.  I didn't stop until she slashed the throat.  I'm glad she did, but DAMN.

 

Total agreement from me. Only part I liked in the finale.

 

 

If Cam had learned to clean up after himself he'd still be around. Don't they have bleach in that town? It was a mindless diversion, though.

 

Too busy running around trying to frame Sarah's hubby and get into her pants to cleanup Daddy properly.

 

Sarah sleeping with Cam made me so nauseous. Part I hated the most in the finale.

 

 

I'm still confused as to what all Cam's father knew about the recent Slasher stuff. I thought he was talking about Cam killing his mother.

 

I was right that Alan Henry didn't know he was the Executioner, the cleansed town talk last ep was just a bit of misdirection. But it was interesting that he had covered up Cam being a little psycho as a kid and killing his mom. Religious people are so fucking creepy.

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I don't agree. I think people in real life kill (in self defense or grey areas of defense) and there are no legal or psychological ramifications, even for people who are sane and probably will never kill again. Regarding self defense, who is gonna prove it really? Who is going to be looking to prove it? This dude killed 9 (? mommy + daddy) people and had run around that day stabbing a few more. There were clear signs of a struggle, the only witness is her husband who I don't think will rat her out since he held the dude down. I'm sure a half assed investigation could come to the conclusion he was struggling against Dylan to still kill them and she stabbed him a few times and sliced his throat to finally stop him. 

 

Well people in real life kill all the time and those that don't experience guilt are usually those with sociopathic disregard for human life..

 

Plus the cops busted in a second after she slit his throat so they could probably see him in what's his face's arms and her with a murder weapon splashed with blood. Which would make what she did an execution as he was essentially defenseless at that point. Also adds a couple of witnesses to the situation that aren't as entangled with the criminal.

 

Also previous to this murder attempt she stabbed him in the chest and or stomach in a failed attempt to murder him. So premeditated. Also she had already told Executioner 1 that she was going to find and kill Executioner 2 so it's not like there isn't motive. As for prosecution, I'd doubt anyone would bother but there a basic coroners exam would find that he was seated and had his throat sliced after multiple stab wounds... Not exactly clear cut self defense or even grey self defense. She just decided to end his life to get revenge for what he did.

 

I don't even really care that she murdered the guy, it bugs me that she was terrible at it, even with help. 

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I don't even really care that she murdered the guy, it bugs me that she was terrible at it, even with help. 

 

I thought it was clear she wasn't trying to be swift or kind or good at killing him.  She was torturing him, the way he had done to her, through killing so many in her life.  She hurt him with her words and every stab wound.  And then when he thought there was going to be a ray of hope as the police approached, she dispatched any chance of that.

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Well people in real life kill all the time and those that don't experience guilt are usually those with sociopathic disregard for human life..

I don't agree! lol That's a very simplistic view of how people behave and react to things.

Plus the cops busted in a second after she slit his throat so they could probably see him in what's his face's arms and her with a murder weapon splashed with blood. Which would make what she did an execution as he was essentially defenseless at that point. Also adds a couple of witnesses to the situation that aren't as entangled with the criminal.

For the first stabbing she was clearly trying to kill him, straight up murder, and she was sloppy there and it made me mad. She could have explained that away too though as him trying to kill her and she stabbed him. Once they find out he is the serial killer no one will be trying to figure out if she went there trying to murder him, they will believe she was the next victim (and he almost killed Robin at the same time). The knife she used was actually his murder weapon so that's easily to say it was his and he had it yadda yadda...

In real life if you stab someone deep in the stomach like that, most likely they won't be chasing you around after, but this is tv land so she should have been more decisive in her actions there. I actually could see her line of thinking a little, call the cops on a cop that just obviously framed your husband, they might call him on the way to his place, they might mess things up and he gets away etc.... chances are this mofo will get out of this and kill your ass. Plus he killed your grandma and you just slept with that nut, kill him lol.

The actual killing scene, I agree with Azgard12, she wasn't sloppy, she was trying to torture him, but I wanted her to just hurry up already before he somehow ended up surviving this and someone else dying.

I disagree that the cops saw anything except her in a position next to Cam with the murder weapon, that doesn't negate self defense. There is nothing in that scene that shows clearly what happened to anyone but her husband. And him sitting down being held doesn't conclusively say anything I don't think, he could have been struggling and about to get the upper hand on Dylan and she was saving both their lives. Many ways to explain away their positioning and how he was killed. Sarah has defensive wounds and clearly there was a struggle etc. Plus it's fucking tv.. in real like the cops suck ass a lot of the time so it's easy to see ways out of situations in scripted shows.

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I don't agree! lol That's a very simplistic view of how people behave and react to things.

For the first stabbing she was clearly trying to kill him, straight up murder, and she was sloppy there and it made me mad. She could have explained that away too though as him trying to kill her and she stabbed him. Once they find out he is the serial killer no one will be trying to figure out if she went there trying to murder him, they will believe she was the next victim (and he almost killed Robin at the same time). The knife she used was actually his murder weapon so that's easily to say it was his and he had it yadda yadda...

In real life if you stab someone deep in the stomach like that, most likely they won't be chasing you around after, but this is tv land so she should have been more decisive in her actions there. I actually could see her line of thinking a little, call the cops on a cop that just obviously framed your husband, they might call him on the way to his place, they might mess things up and he gets away etc.... chances are this mofo will get out of this and kill your ass. Plus he killed your grandma and you just slept with that nut, kill him lol.

The actual killing scene, I agree with Azgard12, she wasn't sloppy, she was trying to torture him, but I wanted her to just hurry up already before he somehow ended up surviving this and someone else dying.

I disagree that the cops saw anything except her in a position next to Cam with the murder weapon, that doesn't negate self defense. There is nothing in that scene that shows clearly what happened to anyone but her husband. And him sitting down being held doesn't conclusively say anything I don't think, he could have been struggling and about to get the upper hand on Dylan and she was saving both their lives. Many ways to explain away their positioning and how he was killed. Sarah has defensive wounds and clearly there was a struggle etc. Plus it's fucking tv.. in real like the cops suck ass a lot of the time so it's easy to see ways out of situations in scripted shows.

 

Well there's the fact that he was unarmed at that point... and she was armed so I'm not sure what rationale she'd be using lethal force for self defense, especially since slitting someone's throat isn't very easy if someone is coming for you while sitting. The mechanics of that story don't really line up.

"Your honor, my husband had him pinned and he was unarmed on the floor and he already had multiple stab wounds but he looked at me funny so I slit his throat."

 

I'm not sure how thinking someone should experience some psychological side effects from having someone's life blood splash all over your face and hands after you slit their throat is simplistic but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. 

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I was right that Alan Henry didn't know he was the Executioner, the cleansed town talk last ep was just a bit of misdirection. But it was interesting that he had covered up Cam being a little psycho as a kid and killing his mom. Religious people are so fucking creepy.

It totally reminded me of Charlie Brandt!

 

Sarah killing him and torturing him didn't really sit right with me. At the time of viewing, I wondered if the writer was trying to make some sort of point that by her doing that, she wasn't acting that much differently than what Cam did as the Executioner II dispensing vigilante justice. I do think Cam deserved to be punished severely, but it made me uncomfortable that the hero/protagonist I assume we're supposed to root for takes justice into her own hands in what I saw to be a rather over-the-top and egregious torture then murder scene of someone who was at the time unarmed. It leaves me feeling kinda squicked out, because I suspect the writer wasn't trying to make that point but was instead trying to subvert the horror film trope of Final Girl escaping with either her hands figuratively clean or at least having dispatched the psycho killer by wrenching the gun or knife away during a struggle and acting in clear-cut self-defense. I think the writer wanted the audience to be all 'F yeah, you go girl!' when she locked the door and then took such a long time killing him. I just felt...yeah, uncomfortable.

 

And the Sarah and Cam sex scene was major ick, which I'm sure was the point, so kudos to the writer for that, mission accomplished.

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Canada carried this series on SuperChannel.  I just watched the finale last night.  I enjoyed it.  But I thought it was quite obvious that Cam was the Executioner.  I was surprised they didn't cast actors closer to the same height to confuse us.  Most of the cast was ruled out as the killer just because of their height.  When Sarah was told that her hubby Dylan was the killer I don't know why she didn't immediately question it.  She was often right up beside the Executioner.  He was much taller than her.  Yet her hubby was pretty much the same height as her. 

I did think Dean Mc did a good job as the evil chief of police.  I believed him when he got creepy.  Actually I think the female lead was the weakest actor on the show. 

I do hope they do another season with a new cast and new killer.  Or will we get the Bad Seed type season with the little cat-killing girl as the killer?

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Just learned about this show today and binged it on Netflix.  It was definitely better than Scream, but certainly had it's dumb moments too. 

On 4/2/2016 at 11:14 AM, jvr said:

This ep was so creepy...the women in Chief Vaughn's life were such lowlifes. I hope that wife is going to see the inside of a jail cell (probably not a popular opinion), or maybe a seriously long community service req (and therapy). At a certain point you have to show some damn fortitude, if not for your own life at least for someone else's. The executioner made me wait way too long for that kill.

This is what infuriated me the most.  I cannot believe nothing happened to the chief's wife.  At the very least, she needed to be in jail; I personally was hoping for her head to be chopped off.  Once I saw that the secret room wasn't actually hidden, I knew she knew.  And that she let her husband keep that child hostage and as a sex toy was so vile.  Ugh. 

I called that it was Cam back when his wife was first being interrogated and he gave her a look of disgust.  But you know what, his dad let him develop his sociopathic tendencies by not saying anything when mom tumbled down the stair.  Also, what counselor or teacher sees artwork like that and lets it go?

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Seems the show dropped a few plot points along the way. What ever happened to the kid from the first episode who was found alive in the woods? You'd think the police, Sarah, or Dylan would want to talk to him at some point. No revisit to Ariel after being found? Any investigation into Vaughn to see if he was also the Executioner (especially as his body was never found). I feel like I missed something why 3 months after Tom killed himself the town was secure the Executioner was gone? Did something happen in that slaughterhouse that I missed?And why did the Executioner stop running? In the first episode, it was something striking and unique to see the killer running, then in this episode when he is following Sarah through the streets he's just strolling along yet still very close behind her. I realize Cam was guiding most of the police investigation but I would have liked to see some investigation after he died. If I ignore all this stuff, I did enjoy the show just for being something different.

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Also, how did Cam know about all the "sins" everyone committed?  A good number of them occurred before he was born or when he was a kid.  Was he, in fact, such an awesome police detective that he solved all these unknown crimes on his own and decided to take care of them himself instead of through lawful means? 

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On 3/29/2016 at 1:32 AM, Avaleigh said:

Seriously. They really should have just made up any excuse for why the character has an accent. Her adoptive parents or whoever raised her ended up taking a job Ireland or Britain or wherever she's from. Her accent is all over the place. I see she's from Ireland but sometimes it sounds English. 

Katie McGrath is indeed Irish and so is her (real) accent - basically 'South Dublin posh' spoken by young upper middle class Dubliners. I get that it sounds more English to non-Irish people but I live in Dublin and went to same college and know dozens of young women with an identical accent who have never set foot in England.

If you want to compare check out any interview she does and then check any role where she is playing a Brit (like Zara in Jurassic World, or for a lot more dialogue Lucy in Dracula.)

(It's kind of funny since I remember when she first started working on British TV I read a few reviews complaining that her English characters sounded Irish!)

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