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The funniest part of the exchange today was when Jenny was making a joke about doing "The View" game and she said that you would get points for not interrupting.  Then they cut to Whoppi getting annoyed by that and said "You know what babe, that game will only apply to those that are still here". BURN!!! The exchange sort of got lost in the shuffle but Whoppi was pissed. 

WOW - sorry I missed the show today!  I love it when Whoopi gets genuinely pissed (not just pretending to be pissed at some 'Hot Topic').   This brings to mind Jenny saying she was going to pursue doing something she's good at - "talking without being interrupted". I guess Jenny is playing the victim role Bitsy used to play.   Poor jenny, nobody lets her talk!  

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Are my views now old-fashioned?   I'm 74 years old and would never equate anyone's posing in Playboy (nude or nearly) with performing sex acts in movies, on tape, or any other recorded methods.  Playboy photographers have always been among the best and demand to work under professional conditions.  Most "sex tapes" are produced by amateurs--amateur "actors" and videographers.   In the 60s posing for Playboy was considered a bit risque` but this is the 21st Century--no progress? I'm surprised it's considered so offensive...by anyone.

@Former Nun, I didn't mean to equate Jenny "not being down to do a sex tape" with posing for Playboy although I realize that's exactly what it sounded like when I wrote:

 

I did chuckle at Jenny letting us know she has never been down for a sex tape though - I guess she only gets naked if there is money involved, like posing for Playboy.

I was being flip.  I don't consider those two thing equal. 

 

It grated that Jenny thinks her brand of celebrity is somehow above Kartrashians because she's been at it longer and has a resume with legit media gigs.  I'd put both at the same level of attractive talentless celebrity but I realize that's an opinion.   In fact, I don't have any use for either one of those women, although I do covet Jenny's shoe collection most days.

 

 

ETA:  Or maybe I just really really really don't like Jenny McCarthy. 

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Are my views now old-fashioned?   I'm 74 years old and would never equate anyone's posing in Playboy (nude or nearly) with performing sex acts in movies, on tape, or any other recorded methods.  Playboy photographers have always been among the best and demand to work under professional conditions.  Most "sex tapes" are produced by amateurs--amateur "actors" and videographers.   In the 60s posing for Playboy was considered a bit risque` but this is the 21st Century--no progress? I'm surprised it's considered so offensive...by anyone.

I'm with you. Posing for Playboy is in no way like starring in pornography. Not even close. I wouldn't compare Jenny to Kim Kartrashian either, but I know YMMV.

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It continues to astound and baffle me why any victim of a crime, especially a woman or young girl, would come to this shitfest of a show to talk about it. I cringed and wanted to muzzle each and every one of these women, and that includes SuChin for the questions they asked her. ESPECIALLY Meghan and Jenny. Really? You're going to ask her questions about how she was found, when she already stated that she didn't fucking KNOW what happened or how she was when she woke up? Let's just put it out there again, as if the pictures and video aren't bad enough, that her underwear was around her ankles. I don't think the audience, in the studio and whoever is watching, knew, so they have to be told. If it were me, I wouldn't ask her to relive the incident, due to her age, but ask how she is going after those that are responsible. At least it's not like raping her all over again. Or maybe that's just me.

 

As for today, what the fuck was Sherri trying to say? That Kim Kardashian is the ONLY woman EVAH to become famous and make a name or herself and become a famewhore  to the point where even if you didn't know who she was, you knew who she was, due to making a sex tape? Oooh, that's really something to be proud of, I'm so sure.  Seeing Tony Goldwyn and Cynthia Nixon were SO not worth recording the past two shows. UGH.

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I thought Whoopi, alone, should be the one to talk to Jada. I wouldn't trust any of the others to do a non-sensationalistic job; none of them have the warmth and empathy that Whoopi has. She's raised children - daughter and granddaughter, and I think she would know how to speak to a young teen without sounding like she's interviewing a media celebrity. 

 

Barbara Walters got to do solo interviews but I guess they don't trust Whoopi with that responsibility? No, she's not a "journalist," but I'd like to hear what she would say to the child without the other hyenas chiming in. 

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One on one with "rape rape" Whoopi?  Nope don't think so.  Which is why they do need to hire someone with a good journalistic background.

And stop booking/exploiting fragile teen rape victims as guests. Good grief.

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Rolling Stone has an article about Jason Patric up, and his custody battle, and it calls out the ladies of The View for being sympathetic to him during his appearance, when the reality of the situation is he was a sperm donor to an ex-girlfriend he was in an abusive relationship with and was never a daily part of his son's life, a lie he continues to tell and the press lets him get away with.

And the thing is, if BW had known, she probably would have grilled him harder just to create a stir, but the truth is everyone on the show was too lazy to do any research.

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I'm with you. Posing for Playboy is in no way like starring in pornography. Not even close. I wouldn't compare Jenny to Kim Kartrashian either, but I know YMMV.

Hmm. There are obviously differences between a sex tape and a Playboy photo shoot (movement, for one), but going by the most basic definition of pornography -- nude images designed to produce sexual arousal -- I consider at least some of Jenny's nude pics pornographic. The various poses, hand placement, facial expressions, makeup and clothing signal rather strongly that the pictorial is intended to be something more than an anatomy lesson or a nod to aesthetics, to me anyway. No judgment intended (although in my perfect world, nudie mags and beauty pageants would both go the way of the dinosaur. On second thought, maybe that is a judgment....)

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Thanks...and SORRY, Cosmocrush.

No apology needed @Former Nun.   My post sounded exactly like you said it did and I'm glad you gave me the chance to explain that in reality, I agree with your point of view on that subject. 

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Milk-Eyed Mender I am in your camp I think.  Playboy has always been confusing to me and never more so than the last 20 years as the 'girls' surrounding the brand are increasingly hard looking - yes a judgement - it doesn't seem to be porn and sadly, yes, I have seen porn.  Playboy is on the surface higher class than that.  It is by no means innocent and it certainly exploits the women it pretends to celebrate.

 

Let us be really clear here, there is a quid pro quo to being a 'bunny' or whatever the star of the month is.  You don't get to live at the mansion for free.  So when rent isn't charged or paid, how do you pay your debts?

 

You don't get flown to oil rich places for dinner and then fly home.  I can't quote anything, but common sense is common sense and over the years there have been books and articles. 

 

NO, I am not saying she was a prostitute, there have never been charges of coercion or pay for services (beyond the quid pro quo) many women marry well, etc.  Gratitude and many other factors will lead us all to behavior we might otherwise regret.  In my opinion Jenny has some issues and she has to deal with them.  It does grate on me when she pretends on The View to be all upstanding and then we get the 'dirty, sexy, funny' tour while pretending she was with her son advising him about the lemonade stand.  Pick a persona - so far, you are not a porn star, you can pose nude and have a crude comedy bit, you are not a celebrity altho' you are marrying one, you have loads of family backup for your son (unlike Sherri apparently) so you are setting yourself up to do whatever you want and we are all supposed to accept it because you are the fabulous Jenny.  I can applaud anyone's growth, but long dresses and glasses on The View and the exact opposite on the weekend - -not my cup of tea.

 

Lord I sound like a bitter old maid don't I.  Yes I am old, no I am not a maid. 

 

This is not an innocent lifestyle we are talking about here.

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Hmm. There are obviously differences between a sex tape and a Playboy photo shoot (movement, for one), but going by the most basic definition of pornography -- nude images designed to produce sexual arousal -- I consider at least some of Jenny's nude pics pornographic. The various poses, hand placement, facial expressions, makeup and clothing signal rather strongly that the pictorial is intended to be something more than an anatomy lesson or a nod to aesthetics, to me anyway. No judgment intended (although in my perfect world, nudie mags and beauty pageants would both go the way of the dinosaur. On second thought, maybe that is a judgment....)

EXACTLY. I so agree.

 I think for me I also got the impression Jenny was trying to imply she was sooooo above a sex tape.  Perhaps they are not the exact same form of art but you are still being sexual - in action or a still shot. I don't care if Playboy is supposed to be so tasteful or the best photography or whatever.

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I haven't looked at a Playboy in decades, ha!  That said, it used to have decent essays and well done art, and I thought some very well done photography (as in, artistic and beautiful).  That said, after watching Hef & Co on that trashy reality show and reading some excerpts of one book, and seeing how "the Mansion" has turned into a dirty deteriorating mess, I'm not convinced at all it's the same as it was.  Still think that Christie turned out well.

 

I do not equate amateur sex tapes with Playboy, but using one's sexuality and looks to gain fame in my estimation is a form of "fame whoring" all the same, so one judging another for it seems disingenuous to me.  At least?  The Kardashians are not causing whooping cough and measles outbreaks and tricking desperate parents into fake and dangerous "cures" that cost thousands and thousands of dollars that will never help and may hurt children, when concentrating on valid methods to ameliorate issues would be far more effective.

 

Jenny is disgusting and not above anyone.  I'm glad that Whoopi took a bite out of her nasty ass yesterday.

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Rolling Stone has an article about Jason Patric up, and his custody battle, and it calls out the ladies of The View for being sympathetic to him during his appearance, when the reality of the situation is he was a sperm donor to an ex-girlfriend he was in an abusive relationship with and was never a daily part of his son's life, a lie he continues to tell and the press lets him get away with.

 

 

I remember when JP was on and I can't believe that not one of these morons asked JP if he and the woman had sex to conceive or if he donated sperm.  That's a big difference.

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remember when JP was on and I can't believe that not one of these morons asked JP if he and the woman had sex to conceive or if he donated sperm.  That's a big difference.

 

 

 

Wasn't it Sherri who said they didn't need to do any research? 

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If someone I worked with was already fired but showed up everyday subtly and not so subtly trashing the place I know I'm going to be at for at least another year, it would get on my nerves too.  That's of course besides all the more obvious reasons someone like McCarthy would get on someone like Whoopi's nerves. 

I agree, but I can also see the point of view that if I was fired, made to feel like I was the reason for all the problems, and then forced to plaster on a nice smile for a month that I would be completely passive-aggressive just like Jenny McCarthy. Besides, the interrupting on this show is one of its worst problems so I hope Jenny keeps pissing Whoopi off about it.

 

Btw, I also missed that exchange on the show. This has definitely been the best part of this entire season...if there was a good part at all, I mean. I have to admit that I enjoy these awkward moments the most for this show. It reminds me of once a few years ago when Whoopi interrupted a serious argument by telling the table to shut up so she could move to the next topic, and Joy very awkwardly (nobody else talking at the time) said, "NO. I will NOT shut up." It was such a you-can-hear-a-pin-drop moment that I couldn't help but burst out laughing.

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They came back from the break and was all upset because Riana tweeted #FreePalestine ..... then she removed it and apologized.... and the hosts on The View were berating her about her "mistake"

 

What am I missing here?? Why is it a mistake to be on the side of peace.... why is it a mistake to support people who are being killed for not being Jewish..... why is it a mistake to want the killing to stop.... I just don't get it

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Wasn't it Sherri who said they didn't need to do any research?

 

Yes it was. She said it when Jenny apologized for the show repeating a George Clooney story that they had to end up saying contained things that weren't true. Jenny said they need to do research before repeating stories. Sherri said there was no reason to apologize and that they "don't have time" to do research.

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Wasn't it Sherri who said they didn't need to do any research?

 

 

Yeah!  Wasn't that one of her bug-eyed thuggy dis-agreeances?  When she behaves like that you KNOW Barbara's not around--not gonna be around!

 

That said, it used to have decent essays and well done art, and I thought some very well done photography (as in, artistic and beautiful).

 

 

It still does.  It has great short stories by great writers, the best in movie and music reviews, political commentary...all kinds of stuff. I can't forget the cartoons. I bet both of my middle-aged sons would still read Playboy regularly even if nude women weren't featured.  Well....maybe.

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Well Jenny thinks celebrities should stay out of politics, they apparently should just stick to medical advice

 

As much as I dislike celebs who give advice about things they  have no business talking about I also have to blame the people who listen to them.  On what planet does someone choose to listen to a woman who became famous for posing for Playboy on the topic of childhood vaccines instead of doctors and scientists?  And the same goes for Sherri too.  She "wrote" a book on weight loss and diabetes and we all have seen how she shovels the food in during on air food demonstrations.

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Imagine that.... The View has another one sided... anti-man story ..... no representative for the other side and vilifying the person who won in court

Oh, please -- it wasn't "anti-man";  it was about the inefficiency of a court system that took a little girl from the loving family who raised her and gave her to the convicted criminal sperm donor who calls himself her "father."  That SOB doesn't deserve her.  The judge did not follow the law and neither the sperm donor nor his attorney accepted the View's invitation to present their side of the story. The "person" who won in court is a convicted CROOK and presented no evidence that he will be a better parent than the couple who raised and love her.  That poor child . . .

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Ya, Rog, I have to agree with Lava.  I'm thinking there MUST be some reason why the sperm donor, aka bio dad, wanted this child so bad & there's more to the story than meets the eye.  The case presented by everyone today is just heart-breaking & totally astonishing.

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Sperm donor??.... SOB??.... How about biological father who had his parental rights removed from him? How much time did "The View" give him to respond before they went on the air?? Where was his lawyer??  It was a complete one sided story, they didn't want both sides..... and since he didn't want to parade his child on national TV his voice is silenced.

They said.... and tried to make it sound terrible... the he fought for his child while he was behind bars. He got his sentence reduced from 15 years (the law is you lose parental rights if you get convicted for 10 years) down to 7 years so he wouldn't lose his parental rights.

 

The biggest question I had was why didn't they get his permission for the adoption in the first place instead of weaseling away his rights...... if this story was a convicted mother losing her rights there would be outrage

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Let's take a breather. Just a reminder that you can disagree with your fellow posters and be respectful in your replies as well. We don't want things to get out of hand.

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Roger, I agree with you. They only presented one side of this story. The story-as presented-was heartbreaking, but there are two sides. I am so tired of media with an agenda. Don't even get me started on the prison industrial complex and the human rights abuses taking place in our penal system.  When Sherri kept repeating "violent criminal" when describing the biological father, I smelled Getty's greasy hands all over this one.

      What the hell was that Leanne Rimes performance? "Help me make it through the night" sung slowly and dramatically with a disco beat? One of the worst things I have seen/heard on this show and that is saying a lot. Leanne Rimes has a beautiful voice, but she clearly has no idea how to choose songs that showcase that talent. 

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What a breath of fresh air Sarah Haines is! Articulate and informed.

I agree, Haleth.

 

 

And probably too good for this show.

And sadly, you're probably right!

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I haven't watched yet, but is it this case?  Seems far more complicated than than the adoptive parents expressed it on CNN awhile back, if it is.

 

My feeling is when dealing with a complicated two-sided story it's best to present both sides.  If that isn't possible then don't even do the story.  Especially one involving children.  I have no doubt if the other side had been there today instead the View would have tilted things their way. 

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Roger, I agree with you. They only presented one side of this story. The story-as presented-was heartbreaking, but there are two sides. I am so tired of media with an agenda. Don't even get me started on the prison industrial complex and the human rights abuses taking place in our penal system.  When Sherri kept repeating "violent criminal" when describing the biological father, I smelled Getty's greasy hands all over this one.

      What the hell was that Leanne Rimes performance? "Help me make it through the night" sung slowly and dramatically with a disco beat? One of the worst things I have seen/heard on this show and that is saying a lot. Leanne Rimes has a beautiful voice, but she clearly has no idea how to choose songs that showcase that talent. 

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Im glad you posted this about Leanne Rimes...... I was trying to figure out what was wrong with the song she sung and you hit the nail right on the head.... it was quite bizarre

I haven't watched yet, but is it this case?  Seems far more complicated than than the adoptive parents expressed it on CNN awhile back, if it is.

Yes this is the story

 

I read how the baby was lost in the first place... it sounds like a kidnapping

 

from the article

McCaul hired Jennifer Gunn, a trusted family friend, to baby-sit Sonya while he worked.

After Sonya's first birthday, Gunn told McCaul she needed to visit Tennessee to help care for an ailing relative. She sought permission to take Sonya with her. McCaul agreed.

Gunn drove Sonya to her parents' home in Dickson, where she and Sonya stayed.

And stayed.

And stayed.

What happened next is in some dispute.

According to Grandma McCaul, her son thought Sonya would be back in a week.

“He just figured, 'OK, a little vacation,' ” she said.

According to the grandmother, as the week stretched into a month and then longer, the McCauls got nervous. Then the baby sitter broke off contact. Sonya's dad contacted Dickson County authorities, who told him that he had abandoned his daughter and would be arrested if he set foot in the state.

At that point he sent the baby sitter's husband to Tennessee to pick up Sonya. Separately, Grandma McCaul drove there on the same mission.

Meanwhile, baby sitter Jennifer Gunn fled, leaving her mother, Joy, to look after Sonya.

“I didn't think the whole thing was responsible,” Joy Gunn said. “That was a messed-up situation.”

She said her daughter hadn't intended to take anyone's child. She said that she felt their family was being threatened by her son-in-law and by John McCaul and that she “wasn't going to send the baby back like that.”

“So we went to court,” she said. “We were happy with (Sonya) to go with her family if they could provide a safe environment.”

But she wasn't convinced it was safe. Nor did she see herself as the long-term solution.

“I ended up,” Gunn said, “being put in the middle of something I didn't ask for.”

Meanwhile, Sonya's grandmother appeared at a Tennessee court hearing. She pleaded in vain with the juvenile court judge to let her take Sonya back to Nebraska.

On Oct. 5, 2005, Sonya became a ward of the State of Tennessee. Joy Gunn was named as her caregiver.

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This custody story case should be either discussed in print with both sides presented or on a show with intelligent presentation of all the facts. It just isn't a five minute story.

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I just saw the segment and my feeling upon completion was there was most likely another side to this. The way it was set up and presented - including having Dunn there to trash the dad for being a felon and a loser and not willing to phone the adoptive parents - was to make the bio-dad look evil.

Maybe he is, I don't know. I just feel The View was pushing that one side awful hard and I'd be interested in seeing/hearing the father come on and present his

 

Leanne normally has a great voice but today it sounded a bit flat. And the beat did not fit.

Not a fan of the cutout dress.

But she is talented. There is just something about her that makes me not be able to really like her. I don't know what it is - maybe she is too guarded and sometimes comes off as insincere...? Maybe it has to do with not having a normal childhood (her words) and comes off as socially inept....?

I do feel it may be a mistake doing a reality show but whatever.

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It seems as if Leann Rimes, Eddie Cibrian and Brandi Glanville have made a cottage industry out of trashing each other publically. Their children should be taken away.

And the cut out dress? We get it, Leann. You're thin.

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It seems as if Leann Rimes, Eddie Cibrian and Brandi Norwood

It's Glanville, Brandy Norwood is the singer/actress best known as Mo'esha.  But that would have been an awesome fight too. 

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Thank you RodgerFromOhio for bringing up the details regarding the custody story.  After spending the first half of the show using the word research over and over to prove they know what they are talking about, they have the gall to present a superficial one-sided summary of a very complicated story.  Some research!

 

I knew something was off when the comment was made somewhere about the judge not following the law - seemed an odd blanket statement to me.

 

And, as usual, the story was discussed with no analysis or thought by anyone - every single person who developed the story, wrote the blue cards and sat on the panel today should be ashamed of themselves.

 

The story is convoluted and I am not sure who is telling the truth, but frankly it sounds like everyone involved is a scofflaw or maybe a bit crooked.

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I'm  replaying tape because I missed that Whoopi comment or maybe my brain shut down after she said people are angry because they do not take the time to "drop a log" and Sherri says going in to the bathroom is when she can text. Idiot.

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Sperm donor??.... SOB??.... How about biological father who had his parental rights removed from him? How much time did "The View" give him to respond before they went on the air?? Where was his lawyer??  It was a complete one sided story, they didn't want both sides..... and since he didn't want to parade his child on national TV his voice is silenced.

They said.... and tried to make it sound terrible... the he fought for his child while he was behind bars. He got his sentence reduced from 15 years (the law is you lose parental rights if you get convicted for 10 years) down to 7 years so he wouldn't lose his parental rights.

 

The biggest question I had was why didn't they get his permission for the adoption in the first place instead of weaseling away his rights...... if this story was a convicted mother losing her rights there would be outrage

 

After the interview, they did mention that they tried to reach out to the biological father, but didn't hear back from him or his lawyer. I don't know how much time they gave him to actually respond to request for his side of the story though.

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Sherri says going in to the bathroom is when she can text. Idiot.

 

 

EGAD, AThousandClowns...Sherri cannot listen and process information.  SHE is the model for the employee the employer is upset about.  SHE is the employee who always (always!) screws up everything for others...and I'd bet she's unaware--sincerely oblivious.  She'll talk badly about people who do the things she does every day.  Yep, I agree.  IDIOT!

 

And the cut out dress? We get it, Leann. You're thin.

 

 

Or...Lnmop, we get it, Leann...you're not emaciated--this week.

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I thought LeAnn sounded awful. But, the cut-out dress didn't look bad on her. I loved how Sherri told LeeAnn she wouldn't be able to wear it if she got pregnant. Not pregnant, Sherri shouldn't wear 90% of what she does.

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I'm with you, kaygeeret, on Jenny's split personality life.  Medical expert and tiger mom during the week, and dirty, sexy, crazy, funny on weekend.  Yuck.  I saw her show a year or two ago during one night I could not sleep.  It was icky dirty and profane--much worse and slutty than Chelsea Lately.  I don't see where she's gets any credibility for anything, except her body. 

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Seems to me Jeff Sr is not out of Jeffrey's life and not involved at all. He fought for custody and Jeffrey was moved clear across the country by Sherri. And then....as a single mom....began. Yet father and son see each other as court ordered.

Making Jeff Sr seem like an uncaring father that fought for custody then and now is a very low thing to do, imo. Since then she has moved Jeffrey from an apt below Tracy Morgan (remember the flood), to a Harlem brownstone, to NJ and now who knows where.

Even at Joyfest (mc job for Sherri) her BFF Jawn Murray brought his kid from Seattle - lots of rides at the amusement park where the venue was held...not Sherri. Jeffrey just seems to get in the way of her fun at mcing.

Jeff Sr's causes for applying for custody are quite serious especially considering unskilled nannies with a high turnover - and Jeffrey's special needs. And Sherri gone when in town or not.

As for research by Sherri - yeah on her phone in the bathroom. About the Kartrashians.....

Or suffering through Jeffrey's "interests" like track, or camp. Or her interests- reality tv, celebrities, selfies.....Or her views are ok because she is on tv and paid to do it - everyone else are haters for their views.

But she has evolved - now she can strut, dance, bounce on her way out to her chair on the show all at the same time. And pose for endless selfies on her time off.

Can you tell I am not a fan?

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SHE is the employee who always (always!) screws up everything for others...and I'd bet she's unaware--sincerely oblivious.  She'll talk badly about people who do the things she does every day.

 

On the money!  Remember her entitlement about Jeffery using the First Class bathroom?  Wasn't there a tweet some time later that she considers it her right to use the first class bathroom whenever she wants?

 

She is every employers and anyone involved in service to the public - their worst nightmare!

 

Not a person I would care to be seated next to for sure.

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Damn, my dvr refused to record this shit show today (sometimes it has better taste than I do) but it sounds like another show where The View tried to cram a case that belongs on Dateline into a five minute segment.  Is it worth watching online? 

 

I'm thinking probably not since it's not like there won't be another opportunity to watch this show make a mess out of story or spew misinformation and half baked opinions based on, oh I don't know, a tweet by a Kartrashian.  I don't like to watch too many episodes in a row out of the fear I might either go insane or throw something at the screen.  There is always tomorrow and always a new low for The Spew to reach.  I wonder where the bottom is?  We must be halfway to China by now.

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