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On TLC right now: Hoarding:Buried Alive, Season 4, Episode 4 (originally aired in 2012). A married couple. Wife is a hoarder on steroids who has been hiding her hoard (and the mounting costs of storing them) from her husband, Jeff, in various places for years AND has roped her grown children into hiding what they know from their dad. BTW, poor Jeff has already had a heart attack and has high blood pressure. God Bless this man for putting up with and still loving, barely, this woman.

Definitely want to say more on this episode later.

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We just watched that one, too.  I thought it was one of the best episodes, no horrible piles of used adult diapers and serious mental illness, just a straight ahead, hard core hoarder.  About half way in, I was all for Jeff leaving her, but she really did seem to turn around and it had a fairly happy ending.  I liked seeing the dark haired psychologist, Julie again, she seems to get good results in spite of being soft as a marshmallow.

Questions my husband and I had:  How does someone like Jeff put up with it for 26 years?  How does she pay $264  a month for storage units and he doesn't know?  Where do the hoarders get the money for their constant shopping?  Why is eveyr generation getting so much fatter than their parents?

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14 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

We just watched that one, too.  I thought it was one of the best episodes, no horrible piles of used adult diapers and serious mental illness, just a straight ahead, hard core hoarder.  About half way in, I was all for Jeff leaving her, but she really did seem to turn around and it had a fairly happy ending.  I liked seeing the dark haired psychologist, Julie again, she seems to get good results in spite of being soft as a marshmallow.

Questions my husband and I had:  How does someone like Jeff put up with it for 26 years?  How does she pay $264  a month for storage units and he doesn't know?  Where do the hoarders get the money for their constant shopping?  Why is eveyr generation getting so much fatter than their parents?

Hi JudyObscure. She definitely was the cleanest hoarder I've ever seen! Heh heh, maybe she knew that even understanding hubby would have had his limits if he had to put up with the filth, stench, cockroaches and, finding the occasional mummified family pet who everyone thought ran away by the usual hoarder. 😏

Not only how did she pay for and hide the increasing costs of the storage units, but what about that 9,000 square foot commercial space she was leasing? Did they ever say how much that cost per month and how did hubby miss it?

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That was a former grocery store or clothes store in downtown Colorado Springs, and judging from the area, was probably empty for a long time before she rented it.    I'm betting it didn't cost much more than the storage units did, because that is a terrible area of town.   You notice that there weren't any glass doors or windows that a regular storefront would have?   That's the part of town it's in.    She's lucky she survived that place.   

I guess she handled the household bills, and he never saw the checking account.    Did they ever say that the son's basement mom had hoarded out was cleared out?     

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On one of the episodes TLC (re)ran yesterday, there was one of my pet peeve scenes from this series. IIRC they did it a lot, and it always bugged me: Cleaning Out The Hoarded Toxic Nasty Refrigerator.

In that episode, the the hoarder's fridge was full of nasty nasty old rotten food *and* the hoarder had already acquired a new fridge which was somewhere on the property. In the opening scenes a friend/relative was scolding the hoarder, saying yeah, and how do we know the new fridge won't end up like this? then, later in the episode during the cleanup, they show these young guys who work for some pest control or clearance company, emptying that toxic fridge with *bare hands*(!!!!) and literally vomiting because the smell is so bad. The guy didn't stop after he vomited, he just kept reaching in and yanking rotten stuff out, some of which had become almost glued to the fridge shelves and sides with hardened ooze. With his bare hands.

In the final shots of the cleaned up house? There is a new fridge in the kitchen. (The old one had the freezer on top; the new one was a side by side, so yes I'm sure the fridge was replaced.) I was stunned that TLC would have those guys rummaging around in that toxic fridge with bare hands, no masks, no hazmat suits, and all for the camera because the fridge wasn't even kept.

This contrasts with something I always appreciated in How Clean is Your House?, the Brit TV series with Kim and Aggie. Sure, they had a schtick where Aggie would don a white lab coat and take swabs of various household surfaces, and later we'd be presented with the lab analyses of the micro-nasties living in the house. It was a little schticky and a little serious. But, where they got dead serious and didn't screw around? Was when fridges and freezers were full of nasty rotten former food. They treated those, IMO appropriately, as biohazards. They were sealed up and professionally disposed of; people in hazmat suits hauled them off. NOBODY stuck their hands in there and emptied the nasties into regular trash bags. They did clean up some grungy fridges, but they had their limits. Good for them!

And yesterday, after that Hoarding: Buried Alive episode, TLC ran another episode, with those young guys cleaning out another really really nasty fridge. With bare hands. 

I just can't with that.

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10 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

That was a former grocery store or clothes store in downtown Colorado Springs, and judging from the area, was probably empty for a long time before she rented it.    I'm betting it didn't cost much more than the storage units did, because that is a terrible area of town.   You notice that there weren't any glass doors or windows that a regular storefront would have?   That's the part of town it's in.    She's lucky she survived that place.   

I guess she handled the household bills, and he never saw the checking account.    Did they ever say that the son's basement mom had hoarded out was cleared out?     

Thanks. I recall from another post from you that you are familiar with that area. Probably because I live in the Washington, D.C-Metropolitan area, the idea that one could cheaply rent any space, let alone a 9,000 square foot one, really threw me off. Heck, you would definitely pay more for just 900 square feet, or much less, than she did for that storefront space even if it was located in the most dangerous, drug infested, gang banging area you could find here.

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1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

On one of the episodes TLC (re)ran yesterday, there was one of my pet peeve scenes from this series. IIRC they did it a lot, and it always bugged me: Cleaning Out The Hoarded Toxic Nasty Refrigerator.

In that episode, the the hoarder's fridge was full of nasty nasty old rotten food *and* the hoarder had already acquired a new fridge which was somewhere on the property. In the opening scenes a friend/relative was scolding the hoarder, saying yeah, and how do we know the new fridge won't end up like this? then, later in the episode during the cleanup, they show these young guys who work for some pest control or clearance company, emptying that toxic fridge with *bare hands*(!!!!) and literally vomiting because the smell is so bad. The guy didn't stop after he vomited, he just kept reaching in and yanking rotten stuff out, some of which had become almost glued to the fridge shelves and sides with hardened ooze. With his bare hands.

In the final shots of the cleaned up house? There is a new fridge in the kitchen. (The old one had the freezer on top; the new one was a side by side, so yes I'm sure the fridge was replaced.) I was stunned that TLC would have those guys rummaging around in that toxic fridge with bare hands, no masks, no hazmat suits, and all for the camera because the fridge wasn't even kept.

This contrasts with something I always appreciated in How Clean is Your House?, the Brit TV series with Kim and Aggie. Sure, they had a schtick where Aggie would don a white lab coat and take swabs of various household surfaces, and later we'd be presented with the lab analyses of the micro-nasties living in the house. It was a little schticky and a little serious. But, where they got dead serious and didn't screw around? Was when fridges and freezers were full of nasty rotten former food. They treated those, IMO appropriately, as biohazards. They were sealed up and professionally disposed of; people in hazmat suits hauled them off. NOBODY stuck their hands in there and emptied the nasties into regular trash bags. They did clean up some grungy fridges, but they had their limits. Good for them!

And yesterday, after that Hoarding: Buried Alive episode, TLC ran another episode, with those young guys cleaning out another really really nasty fridge. With bare hands. 

I just can't with that.

You know Jeeves you are obviously a much braver person than I am since I usually turn my head when those scenes pop up. I am way too busy not watching and waiting for those scenes to be over to notice that the workers aren't even wearing gloves when they're cleaning out the refrigerators!☺  Funny thing is that I do notice when people aren't wearing gloves, face masks or anything else when handling their nasty "precious treasures" in the rest of the house or apartment.

I think the scene you are referencing is from one of the episodes shown yesterday with the woman whose 17 year old son had to move out when he was 12 and go live with his grandmother who lived near by because her hoard left him no place to live in the house. As I recall, it wasn't just the stuff in the refrigerator, it was also piles and piles of rusted cans of food and packages of unrefrigerated meat she decided to hang on to. I really disliked this woman in particular because, as her own brother said, she was always making herself out to be the victim. Really liked her son, a very insightful young man, who correctly observed that that she had chosen her hoard over him.

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I don't know why they clean the fridges out, in many situations like that they just seal it, and haul it out closed to a haz mat location, and bury it or something similar.       

The 17 year old was very smart to stay at grandma's, because you know that woman will always choose her hoard over him.    Look at how she reacted to him moving next door to grandma's when he was twelve, when she hoarded his room full the second he left.   Plus, after the clean up (I suspect it's usually going into storage sheds, not the dump) when the same nasty bedding and mattresses were on the bunk beds that said everything about how little she cared about him.    

Very few hoarders actually clean up and stay that way, and since the episodes we're older (the filming dates on the end of the episodes were 2012 mostly yesterday), I'm sure all of the houses are just as bad within a year or two.

I can't forgive the people who inflict their hoard on children and animals.      

Why do I have the suspicion that the remarkably clean after scenes are followed by the hoarder running down to Chucky's Self Storage, (hope there really isn't one by that name) and bringing all of their garbage back a car load at a time?    I do not believe that one hoarder show cleans every single place out to the bare floor in every room, and the other one can't get people to get rid of more than half of their junk.    

They're showing Gary, the one near Denver (I think) who had a wife disappear over 30 years ago, leaving him with two kids who haven't seen him in years, and the inside and outside of his home is awful.      He was sleeping outside, and the narrator said it was 20 degrees at night, and it's simply not true, there are lots of nights near there that are way below 20 degrees, and some days the high isn't much more than that.     

The episode before that was Kay, who lived near Houston, and had the stunning roach problem.   Since she kept talking about the HOA or management people foreclosing, I'm betting it was the house in the Woodlands, which has very strict enforcement.    I think it may have been the house that had some workers get sick, but at least it was a false positive for hantavirus.      I can't believe that the house cleaned up so nicely.   I wonder how the legal issues worked out?   

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On 2/19/2019 at 8:10 AM, CrazyInAlabama said:

The episode before that was Kay, who lived near Houston, and had the stunning roach problem.   Since she kept talking about the HOA or management people foreclosing, I'm betting it was the house in the Woodlands, which has very strict enforcement.    I think it may have been the house that had some workers get sick, but at least it was a false positive for hantavirus.      I can't believe that the house cleaned up so nicely.   I wonder how the legal issues worked out?   

Ooh, TLC had a marathon yesterday that included Kay's episode. I hadn't seen it for years and surprised myself by actually watching all of it. The therapist (Julie IIRC) said late in the episode that Kay was living in a fantasy world. That was just so striking from all we saw during that episode. That was a nice house, but apparently for 18 (!) years following her husband's death she hadn't lifted a finger to clean up or throw out anything. 

The main expression on Kay's face throughout the show, no matter the situation, was this kind of creepy smile. Like, she was being pleasant on the surface but was just checked out and avoiding engaging with anything except on her own terms. A few examples:

  • When the pest control guys explained to her, nicely, that her house was the absolute worst case of infestation they had ever seen, she was all, well that's your opinion. The senior guy of the team tried again, told this was the worst he'd seen in 20 years and the house wasn't safe? Made not a dent in her attitude.
  • Her daughter - obviously shaken to the core - showed Kay the dead/mummified copperhead snake (deadly poisonous if you didn't know that) they found IN HER BEDROOM when shoveling through the piles of books and trash. And Kay responded with some nonsense about, oh you're just getting dramatic over something the cat must have brought in. I'm just staring at the TV thinking WTAF????
  • After the cleanup, it was discovered that there was some structural damage to the house, including a rotting area of the floor near the front door. Kay and her daughter and some repair guy were there looking at it. In the course of the conversation Kay allowed as how she couldn't afford to fix everything right then. And disclosed she'd spent $1200 on season tickets to the Houston Symphony. And typically, her daughter was just flummoxed and frustrated, and of course Kay was totally impervious to any criticism.

Kay's bedroom was literally heaped and stuffed with books. That pile had to be years in the making. From what I could see, they were those mass market paperback romance novels that were (and I assume still are) pumped out in big numbers every month. We saw Kay lying on her bed reading one of them before the cleanup. IMO that is so consistent with her living a fantasy life. I can imagine it; she comes home, feeds the cat, and flops down on her bed to lose herself in the current romance novel. And, from what we saw, just tossed the book on the ever-growing book mountain when she was done with it.

I wonder whatever happened to her.

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15 hours ago, Kyanight said:

This afternoon I watched an old episode with Mary whose home was about to be condemned.   They took 6 truck loads to the dump and gave up and Mary moved in with her sister down in Florida.  The city inspector condemned the house saying they just gave up - there was at least 4 more dumpsters with of crap left in the house.   https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/hoarding-buried-alive-mary-and-penny-video_n_1320610.html

No surprise there.  Mary wouldn't get rid of ANYTHING!  The very FIRST little tiny grocery store plastic bag of stuff they put in the dumpster she demanded they bring it back out.

(^^This, and my response below, have been moved over from the other hoarding show topic. My bad for not posting in the correct discussion.)

Oh man, Mary was a piece of work. What a hostile human unit. Totally impermeable. When the therapist (I think) started out by asking her how she'd feel about discarding some old computer stuff, her instant reaction was nasty. "Oh. So you're a computer expert?" I mean, the therapist was holding up a MOLDY hard drive and Mary instantly attacked her for daring to say that was not an operable thing because. Computer expertise. 

Mary was vicious to everyone including her sister. I remind myself, these people are mentally ill. But I just can't dredge up any sympathy in my heart for Mary. I've encountered vicious people like that, and I do all that's possible to keep them out of my life.

When I got past the viciousness, it was clear that Mary was living in a fantasy world. Sure, Mary, someday you were going to retrieve the incredibly valuable information that was stored on the moldy hard drive, and old floppy disks, and the rest of that ancient crusty computer stuff that for years had been decaying quietly away in that hellhole of a house. Classic hoarder fantasy stuff.

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I can't believe friends or relatives are stupid enough to let a hoarder move in with them, and think the hoarder won't keep doing this in their house.      

They're showing the Buried Alive episode with Deborah, the former nurse who collects model horses.   I can't believe how much she spent on one model horse in particular.     She was paying many thousands more than they originally sold for, and there isn't anything that's all that expensive.    Her episode also shows Mary, lovely house from the outside, but not inside.     Mary has only lived in the house for five years, and it's not dirty, but full of junk.    Her seven year old daughter with asthma, is living in this dust bowl of junk also.     Mary seemed so nice at the beginning, until they tried to organize her stuff, and the fire works started.  

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On 5/19/2015 at 5:32 AM, Giant Misfit said:

Ugh. Yesterday I caught the rerun of the woman whose home was overrun by roaches. She claimed to be "disabled" and sat in a lounge chair in her living room surrounded by a mountain of trash -- comprised mostly of empty 12-pack containers of Pepsi. Her ex-husband allowed the kids to live in the filth because the wife would "lose her benefits" if he pressed for custody. So, instead they live in a home filled with roaches and a bathroom with a mountain of used sanitary pads piled high on the floor.

She was a loathsome beast.

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I watched this repeat last night. I was waiting all episode for someone to ask the the kids dad WHY he left them there in that filth?  His ex-wife losing her benefits was no excuse for allowing his kids to live like that........

HE JUST DIDN'T CARE!!!!

or maybe the kids really didn't live with the mom and were only brought in for dramatic purposes?

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Thank the Non Specific Deity that someone else caught that mess with Sherry and her teenagers. So many questions about the Dad and all of Sherry's disabilities that made her have to LIE DOWN IN HER BED while dudes in hazmat suits SHOVELLED garbage from around her, and what exactly it was that caused her to be such a hateful b!$?h. But i was worried about those kids. It was so "normalized" for the daughter that she was fine with throwing trash on the floor because "i dont have a trashcan" or her apathetic.. " I was going to clean up, but i didnt know what to throw away" ( hint:Anything!!) she kept touching stuff to get those lazy sleepy roaches to start running around. Who is going to teach her how to take care of herself and her own home? 

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I happened to catch the "A VCR for Every Day of the Week" episode tonight in reruns, and I have rarely wanted so badly to be able to reach through my TV screen and slap multiple people. I sometimes feel sorry for hoarders when it's obvious they have some major mental illness going on, but not this time.

I don't think the father was mentally ill, at least not in any serious way, so much as just lazy. He was able to comprehend what he needed to do to avoid going to jail and possibly losing the house, but came off as he just didn't want to be bothered. Yes, there's obviously some underlying pathology or he wouldn't be a hoarder, but he seemed able to function reasonably well. He lost any sympathy I might have felt when I saw the 12 cats, all locked up in cages, and all yowling in desperation to get the fuck out of there. When the psychologist went in there and saw the first cat, she was taken aback but by the time she saw the cats in the basement, she was horrified. It was a "hell, yeah" moment for me when she decided to call the SPCA. And the father can go to hell with his comments that he feels betrayed by what she did. Psychologists and other health care professionals have an obligation to preserve patient confidentiality, BUT if they see something that indicates a child is being abused, they are obligated to notify the authorities. Those cats, while not human, were clearly being abused. I could understand putting the cats into cages on a very temporary basis, such as a trip to the vet, or even just to keep them confined for a few hours while strangers are tracking in and out of the house and constantly opening exterior doors to haul stuff off. But this was how those cats were living 24/7. No fucking excuse for that. 

The son was a piece of work, entirely too prone to confrontation and probably violence. Someone upthread mentioned possibly Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, and maybe that is part of the problem. His speech patterns were odd, to put it mildly, and he seemed unwilling to accept the reality that the house was entirely unfit for a baby (or anyone else, for that matter). You could tell he was slightly willing to go along with cleaning out the house so the baby could live there, but he had no instinctive sense that it would have been  unsafe to bring a baby into the filth. He seemed volatile, and I would have been afraid to interact with him. 

The son's girlfriend was apparently as dumb as a box of rocks. First, why on earth would you ever have had sex with the son?  Nothing about the son was in any way attractive (physically, intellectually, or emotionally). And second, what kind of delusional world are you in, that you would think it okay to bring  your infant, who has spent 2 months or something in NICU, into that house without having all the junk cleaned out and then having the entire house scrubbed down with bleach or something to kill off all the bacteria, mold, and who knows what else is there? I have gone through the horrible experience of having a newborn in NICU (thankfully, only for 3 weeks and for what turned out to be something very minor, gastrointestinal bleeding caused by an allergy to the protein in milk, which was fixed by using a very expensive baby formula with the protein already broken down). As a parent, generally you can be in the NICU with your infant except during shift changes, so there's maybe a couple of hours a day total when you can't be there. And in fact, the NICU nurses encouraged me and other parents to be there as much as possible, because they said the infants whose parents spent a lot of time there were more likely to survive and do better than those whose parents didn't come very often. Now that might be because for infants who are unlikely to survive, the parents just can't deal with being there that  much, but certainly at the time my daughter was in the NICU, I spent every possible moment I could there. The girlfriend in this episode, though, seemed like she wasn't spending any huge amount of time at the hospital, and was way more wrapped up in trying to mollify the son. Wasted effort there. As for the stepmother, I suspect she would have been willing to have her stepdaughter and the infant come live with her but on the condition that the son not join them. The stepmother was also obviously appalled at the condition of the house, and I suspect the reason she didn't haul the stepdaughter out of there on the spot was fear of physical violence from the boyfriend. The girlfriend needs a serious reality check: how on earth do you think a guy who has let a house get so bad, and who contributed to the hoarding, will be able to help take care of an infant?

That entire trio were just disgusting excuses for human beings. 

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2 hours ago, BookWoman56 said:

I happened to catch the "A VCR for Every Day of the Week" episode tonight in reruns, and I have rarely wanted so badly to be able to reach through my TV screen and slap multiple people. I sometimes feel sorry for hoarders when it's obvious they have some major mental illness going on, but not this time.

I don't think the father was mentally ill, at least not in any serious way, so much as just lazy. He was able to comprehend what he needed to do to avoid going to jail and possibly losing the house, but came off as he just didn't want to be bothered. Yes, there's obviously some underlying pathology or he wouldn't be a hoarder, but he seemed able to function reasonably well. He lost any sympathy I might have felt when I saw the 12 cats, all locked up in cages, and all yowling in desperation to get the fuck out of there. When the psychologist went in there and saw the first cat, she was taken aback but by the time she saw the cats in the basement, she was horrified. It was a "hell, yeah" moment for me when she decided to call the SPCA. And the father can go to hell with his comments that he feels betrayed by what she did. Psychologists and other health care professionals have an obligation to preserve patient confidentiality, BUT if they see something that indicates a child is being abused, they are obligated to notify the authorities. Those cats, while not human, were clearly being abused. I could understand putting the cats into cages on a very temporary basis, such as a trip to the vet, or even just to keep them confined for a few hours while strangers are tracking in and out of the house and constantly opening exterior doors to haul stuff off. But this was how those cats were living 24/7. No fucking excuse for that. 

The son was a piece of work, entirely too prone to confrontation and probably violence. Someone upthread mentioned possibly Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, and maybe that is part of the problem. His speech patterns were odd, to put it mildly, and he seemed unwilling to accept the reality that the house was entirely unfit for a baby (or anyone else, for that matter). You could tell he was slightly willing to go along with cleaning out the house so the baby could live there, but he had no instinctive sense that it would have been  unsafe to bring a baby into the filth. He seemed volatile, and I would have been afraid to interact with him. 

The son's girlfriend was apparently as dumb as a box of rocks. First, why on earth would you ever have had sex with the son?  Nothing about the son was in any way attractive (physically, intellectually, or emotionally). And second, what kind of delusional world are you in, that you would think it okay to bring  your infant, who has spent 2 months or something in NICU, into that house without having all the junk cleaned out and then having the entire house scrubbed down with bleach or something to kill off all the bacteria, mold, and who knows what else is there? I have gone through the horrible experience of having a newborn in NICU (thankfully, only for 3 weeks and for what turned out to be something very minor, gastrointestinal bleeding caused by an allergy to the protein in milk, which was fixed by using a very expensive baby formula with the protein already broken down). As a parent, generally you can be in the NICU with your infant except during shift changes, so there's maybe a couple of hours a day total when you can't be there. And in fact, the NICU nurses encouraged me and other parents to be there as much as possible, because they said the infants whose parents spent a lot of time there were more likely to survive and do better than those whose parents didn't come very often. Now that might be because for infants who are unlikely to survive, the parents just can't deal with being there that  much, but certainly at the time my daughter was in the NICU, I spent every possible moment I could there. The girlfriend in this episode, though, seemed like she wasn't spending any huge amount of time at the hospital, and was way more wrapped up in trying to mollify the son. Wasted effort there. As for the stepmother, I suspect she would have been willing to have her stepdaughter and the infant come live with her but on the condition that the son not join them. The stepmother was also obviously appalled at the condition of the house, and I suspect the reason she didn't haul the stepdaughter out of there on the spot was fear of physical violence from the boyfriend. The girlfriend needs a serious reality check: how on earth do you think a guy who has let a house get so bad, and who contributed to the hoarding, will be able to help take care of an infant?

That entire trio were just disgusting excuses for human beings. 

OMG, BookWoman56 I am watching this right now too! I will gladly join you in repeatedly smacking all of these numb nuts upside each of their stupid heads. I saw this one a while ago but can't remember what year this episode was shown and too tired right now to look that info up. Seriously, a VCR for every day of the week? Who the Hell wants a VCR these days anyway!?

I know this doesn't sound very politically correct to say it these days but sometimes people are just plain STUPID! Actually, in this case, it's hard to say which one is dumber but I'd have to put my money on the son's girlfriend. I cannot even conceive--pun intended--of sharing a cup of coffee with the son let alone dating him and having his baby.

And definitely, as you said, I have zero compassion for anyone whose behavior harms or negatively impacts the well being of either children or animals. I also feel so sorry for the neighbors as well. Can you imagine watching the biggest investment of your life losing value by the nanosecond? Can't stand these idiots.

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7 hours ago, BookWoman56 said:

I happened to catch the "A VCR for Every Day of the Week" episode tonight in reruns, and I have rarely wanted so badly to be able to reach through my TV screen and slap multiple people. I sometimes feel sorry for hoarders when it's obvious they have some major mental illness going on, but not this time.

John Clements, the homeowner/father/junker, was in jail not long after the episode aired, on account of the condition of the house, according to this story from March 2014, updated in July 2014:  http://www.fox19.com/story/24944451/hoarder-in-court/

In March 2015 the judge was just over it. Said it was a waste of taxpayer money to fund yet a third attempt to clean up the place and verbally tore a strip - as the Brits would say - off Junker John Clements: https://local12.com/news/local/judge-speaks-frankly-to-hoarding-homeowner

I don't know if TLC aired any updates about these hoarders. 

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Hello all. Does anyone here remember this infuriating woman?

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Her episode was shown recently but she annoyed me so much I had to turn it off. As you can see in the image above, there's an adorable dog next to her -- she has another one I believe -- which made me automatically hate her for keeping them in her filthy home. Of course she said how much she loves them and that they are like her children.😡

She lives in Ontario and the code enforcement officer assigned to her was annoying as well. He was so mild mannered and sweet talking her which really pissed me off even as he step over piles of dog poop and even pointed out a full bag of poop and asked her why she didn't throw it out. She mumbled something about not getting around to it. He was so laid back with no sense of urgency which he should have had because those poor dogs were at risk. Then, he actually left them there and said nothing about having them removed!

Also, there was something about her face that really ticked me off. She always seemed to have this smug smirk about the whole situation and her face looked more like a cartoon character to me than a real person.

Anyway, just wanted to know if anyone here knows the outcome of this case.

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47 minutes ago, DC Gal in VA said:

Hello all. Does anyone here remember this infuriating woman?

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Her episode was shown recently but she annoyed me so much I had to turn it off. As you can see in the image above, there's an adorable dog next to her -- she has another one I believe -- which made me automatically hate her for keeping them in her filthy home. Of course she said how much she loves them and that they are like her children.😡

She lives in Ontario and the code enforcement officer assigned to her was annoying as well. He was so mild mannered and sweet talking her which really pissed me off even as he step over piles of dog poop and even pointed out a full bag of poop and asked her why she didn't throw it out. She mumbled something about not getting around to it. He was so laid back with no sense of urgency which he should have had because those poor dogs were at risk. Then, he actually left them there and said nothing about having them removed!

Also, there was something about her face that really ticked me off. She always seemed to have this smug smirk about the whole situation and her face looked more like a cartoon character to me than a real person.

Anyway, just wanted to know if anyone here knows the outcome of this case.

That was Beverly. She was discussed not too long ago on this thread. She died.

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1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

That was Beverly. She was discussed not too long ago on this thread. She died.

Hello Jeeves. Thank you for your response.  Wow, I did not know that she had died. I hate to say this but, to be honest, I just don't feel all that bad about hearing this. She was a detriment to her community but especially to those innocent dogs and I just can't muster any sympathy for any hoarder whose hoarding behavior brings harm to others.

She looked rather young to me; late thirties, maybe in her forties?

Do you know anything else about her demise of what happened to her dear dogs? I will skim through this topic as well.

Thanks again.

Edited to add: I read her obituary through this link https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/beverly-harris-obituary?pid=174250250&view=guestbook

People had so many wonderful things about her; not knocking them for what they had to say about but their comments left me a bit confused. I say this because I saw her treat a very dear friend horribly when she volunteered to come in and help her clean up. She was just so many levels of ungrateful and nasty to her. Oh well, I hope that those dogs found a happy and healthy home.

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@DC Gal in VA, thanks for the obit link. I also found Beverly annoying - but she said something about having never felt loved, during her episode, that resonated with me and made me feel some pity for her. OTOH I hated that she was one of those people who say (and probably truly believe) that they love their dogs, but don't give the dogs a decent clean place to live. And that sick hoarder behavior can just be so ugly to everyone in the vicinity.  But now Beverly's gone on, and maybe she's in a better place where she's feeling loved and not hoarding the place up. 

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16 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

@DC Gal in VA, thanks for the obit link. I also found Beverly annoying - but she said something about having never felt loved, during her episode, that resonated with me and made me feel some pity for her. OTOH I hated that she was one of those people who say (and probably truly believe) that they love their dogs, but don't give the dogs a decent clean place to live. And that sick hoarder behavior can just be so ugly to everyone in the vicinity.  But now Beverly's gone on, and maybe she's in a better place where she's feeling loved and not hoarding the place up. 

That's very compassionate of you to say about her; I know that I sound like an absolute meanie by contrast, LOL! When it comes to the loved ones of people like her, I always wonder if they feel love or, in this case, mourn the person that they used to be or the person that never existed but wish they were?

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5 minutes ago, DC Gal in VA said:

That's very compassionate of high to say about her; I know that I sound like an absolute meanie by contrast, LOL! When it comes to the loved ones of people like her, I always wonder if they feel love or, in this case, mourn the person that they used to be or the person that never existed but wish they were?

^^I've wondered the exact same thing.

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On 9/10/2018 at 11:34 AM, CrazyInAlabama said:

I'm watching the rerun of "It's Just Sex" with Herv and Janet who used their young sons death years ago as an excuse to neglect their other son, and trash their house.   This is the one where they were swingers, and Herv is still screwing his girlfriend Wendy.   Herv claims he and Wendy the Huge are just friends, but he invites her to clean the hoard, and shows her around his house, and discusses his sex life with the wife while standing on the bed.    Yes , Wendy is  the one that the narrator called the "elephant in the room", and the production crew showed a butt shot of her huge rear.   He claims he's no longer screwing Wendy, but he treats her way better, and talks to her much more intimately than his poor wife.    I did love when Dr. Becky was telling Wendy to leave, and she said she slept with Janet too.      The look on Dr. Becky's face is classic.   

If anyone thinks Herv and Wendy are over, they need to get a clue, it's obvious that the real relationship is Wendy and Herv, and Janet has been dumped years ago.     The poor son knew all of this, so he was living in a tent in the back yard because his parents are living with Wendy.     The son's friend in so nice, and helpful.     I can't believe the authorities let these people move back into a house that is falling down after the clean up.      Janet is fooling herself if she thinks anything will change.   

I disliked this couple, for a variety of reasons, but among them is that they may make other people think that most swingers are equally dysfunctional crappy human beings. As someone who has been in an open marriage and gone to actual swingers' clubs, I can say that this couple is in no way representative of the average couple who swings. Also, it ceases to be an open marriage or "swinging" when one spouse decides he/she is no longer comfortable with the arrangement. At that point, the couple needs to talk through options and the person who still wants an open marriage needs to decide if he/she is willing to give up sex on the side in order to maintain the marriage. If not, then the couple needs to split up rather than do this BS where Herv is having sex with Wendy and Janet is blaming Wendy for what Janet regards as Herv's infidelity. I disagreed with the psychologist when she commented that the state of the house reflected the state of their marriage; that's true to some extent, but it seems obvious that their marriage was already majorly fucked up well before Herv and Wendy became sex partners, and it sounds as if Janet was also having sex with Wendy. Maybe she just meant that she'd had a threesome with Herv and Janet; some of that situation was not entirely clear to me. But in any event, their marriage is not going to magically become wonderful just because Herv quits having sex with another woman for a while.

This is one of those episodes where I can feel only a slight amount of sympathy for the hoarders. Yes, it is a horrible thing to have your child die. I can envision being so out of it for a few weeks that stuff piles up because you just can't deal with it. But FFS, their other kid was 4 or something when the other child died, and if neither Herv nor Janet were even bothering to remove food scraps from the house, there is no way they were taking care of the 4-year-old adequately. I agree that the son's friend was incredibly nice; I'm happy for the son that he has a good friend because his parents are useless. I know that everybody grieves in different ways. But even in the midst of extreme grief for the loss of one child, shouldn't it register with you that you need to take care of your other child, or if you're unable to do so, that you need to get professional help to enable you to function well enough to take care of basic household maintenance? That couple, with their self-absorbed wallowing in grief for a dozen years or so, have left major psychological scars on their son who's still alive. And I seriously doubt their house will remain uncluttered for long unless both of them have some ongoing therapy. My gut feeling is that Herv managed at some point to work through the worst of his grief, and Janet didn't. Unless Janet has really done a 180 in terms of dealing with present reality effectively, Herv will hook back up with Wendy or someone else , and move out of the house and in with another woman at the earliest opportunity. 

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On 5/18/2015 at 10:55 PM, Beaner said:

I also caught the "last chance" episode with the woman whose name escapes me. She's the one who was a model back in the day, inherited a lot of money, had tons of clothes but wore pajamas in both episodes. It seems like many of the hoarders will clean if their backs are up against the wall, but this one wouldn't/couldn't do it & lost everything. What a sad waste.

On 5/19/2015 at 1:45 AM, lovesnark said:

Louise was her name. She's clearly so mentally ill and out of touch with anything related to reality that I wasn't surprised at all to see her fawning over her tons of clothes in her storage unit after she'd been evicted from the apartment she lived in. I've never seen any of the hoarders say their clothes tell them when they want to go out and that she takes several outfits out at a time because the others would be sad if they were left behind.

I'm glad she had a friend that owned an apartment building and was willing to let her rent a room. For someone like her, having concrete limits on what she could bring into her room, inspections and a contract is the only way for her to have a safe place to live without the possibility of her filling it with stuff. 

I saw this episode a few evenings ago, and Louse is one of the very few hoarders that I feel sorry for, without a ton of qualifiers. She obviously has some kind of mental illness or cognitive dysfunction going on where she's just not able to process reality. She reminded me a bit of someone I used to know, who at around age 18 had suffered traumatic brain injury as a result of a car accident. If you talked to her for 5 minutes, you'd think she just had a bubbly personality; 10 minutes and you'd think she was slightly tipsy; 20 minutes, and you'd realize some of her cognitive functions were just not right. With Louise, it was like she just could not comprehend that it was better to select the stuff she wanted the most and get rid of the other things, rather than to sit there with all of her clothes and stuff intact until she was evicted  and as her friend kept telling her, all of her stuff would probably end up in dumpsters. I don't know if her mental problems began only after her parents died, but she's someone who would have been a lot better off if her parents had put the money into a trust and had some sort of conservator oversee her expenses and so forth. While that wouldn't have necessarily stopped the hoarding, it would have meant her rent and utilities would be paid and only the money left over each month after those basic needs had been taken care of could be spent on the stuff she's hoarding. 

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