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Just read that Chris Noth and Danny Pino are starring in a new series to be shown on WGN. Says they are FBI agents working with a woman they saved, to track down child abductors. It's called "Gone" and is supposed to show up in the New Year.

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Unfortunately sometimes the news is depressing.... RIP Actor and Comedian Richard Belzer, Munch of “SVU” and “Homicide,” Famous for Dry Sense of Humor

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Damn, RIP Richard Belzer/Munch. He was an absolute legend. Munch was such a great character on both SVU and Homicide, one of tv’s most memorable detectives.  I really hope SVU pays tribute to him be

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John Munch and Richard Belzer gave this show a much-needed sense of levity amidst the sorrow and despair. And it was invaluable, as we now see how dreary the show has been without it. John Munch

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23 hours ago, QueenMab said:

Just read that Chris Noth and Danny Pino are starring in a new series to be shown on WGN. Says they are FBI agents working with a woman they saved, to track down child abductors. It's called "Gone" and is supposed to show up in the New Year.

I found the link and I wonder if it will be better than SVU. Does WGN have a lot of money to put out quality dramas? I am not trying to criticize, it's just that I thought you had to be an HBO, Showtime or some other premium channel to make a decent show.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/3a496f76-3fd3-3f81-8bce-3191047e2937/ss_two-former-law-and-order.html

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balmz

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10 minutes ago, dttruman said:

I found the link and I wonder if it will be better than SVU. Does WGN have a lot of money to put out quality dramas? I am not trying to criticize, it's just that I thought you had to be an HBO, Showtime or some other premium channel to make a decent show.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/3a496f76-3fd3-3f81-8bce-3191047e2937/ss_two-former-law-and-order.html

well to be fair it won't have mariska on the show so it's probably going to be better that way already

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dttruman

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7 minutes ago, balmz said:

well to be fair it won't have mariska on the show so it's probably going to be better that way already

If this show becomes a hit and SVU is cancelled the following season, do you think MH would have the nerve to demand a guest spot for her character Lt Benson (or does Wolf control that)?

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QueenMab

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The article says WGN doesn't have the $$ to produce shows but contracts to show other productions. This one is, as near as I can make out, Australian, German, I think Canadian, a bunch of international production companies who produce series then find a channel to show them. So, Dick Wolf, SVU, all that NBC shit has no part of this. It is totally independent. No chance of Benson hogging the screen on this. In fact, it looks like these guys went as far afield as you can get from anything to do with her!

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dttruman

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2 hours ago, QueenMab said:

So, Dick Wolf, SVU, all that NBC shit has no part of this. It is totally independent. No chance of Benson hogging the screen on this. In fact, it looks like these guys went as far afield as you can get from anything to do with her!

Well said again!

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shapeshifter

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7 hours ago, dttruman said:
On June 12, 2018 at 1:09 PM, QueenMab said:

Just read that Chris Noth and Danny Pino are starring in a new series to be shown on WGN. Says they are FBI agents working with a woman they saved, to track down child abductors. It's called "Gone" and is supposed to show up in the New Year.

I found the link and I wonder if it will be better than SVU. Does WGN have a lot of money to put out quality dramas? I am not trying to criticize, it's just that I thought you had to be an HBO, Showtime or some other premium channel to make a decent show.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/3a496f76-3fd3-3f81-8bce-3191047e2937/ss_two-former-law-and-order.html

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WGN's Manhattan was very high quality, but this show looks like Without a Trace but with a gimmicky main character. The other new WGN show mentioned at the end of the article, Carter, looks like it has a more promising premise.

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Joe Hellandback

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Just watched MH's documentary 'I am evidence' and although some aspects of SVU hack me off no end I thought it was really good and highly commendable what she was doing. It wasn't perfect, it was positively misandrist in some places but it was extremely moving and worthwhile. 

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Xeliou66

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I’m sick of Rollins and her personal drama!! Rollins gets shoved down our throat almost as much as Benson, I’m sick of her revolving door of boyfriends and her constant unethical behavior and fuck ups on the job, she’s a terrible cop, she should’ve been suspended after her treatment of the victim in Service and after she slapped the guy in Gone Baby Gone. I want more of Fin and Stone, and less of Benson and Rollins, their brats and their revolving door of boyfriends. This show has become the Benson and Rollins show. 

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ChristiKRN

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 I make no secret of the fact that Rollins is one of my least favorite characters ever.  She took it to a whole new low in how she treated the escort who had been horribly victimized simply because her boyfriend cheated on her with a prostitute; I still can't figure out why Benson didn't tear her a new one with her behavior.  I think what bothers me the most about her is that she screws up regularly on the job, but never has to suffer the consequences of her actions so she never learns. 

My second thought when I read the news about George Newbern (after thinking "Good God-more Rollins drama!") was Kelli Giddish must be pregnant or planning on expanding her family soon to give her the groundwork for another baby daddy.  Please let me be wrong; I can't handle another kid. 

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dttruman

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14 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I want more of Fin and Stone, and less of Benson and Rollins, their brats and their revolving door of boyfriends. This show has become the Benson and Rollins show. 

I wonder if they are going to give Stone, Carisi, or Fin equal time? Will one of them get to adopt a little boy or girl? It would give the writers a chance to address this social issue, I just wonder what kind of a warped spin they would put on it.

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Xeliou66

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2 hours ago, dttruman said:

I wonder if they are going to give Stone, Carisi, or Fin equal time? Will one of them get to adopt a little boy or girl? It would give the writers a chance to address this social issue, I just wonder what kind of a warped spin they would put on it.

No, they won’t be adopting anyone, that would be absurd, they just wrote in Benson adopting Noah because mariska wanted to show off what a terrific adoptive mother she is since she is one in real life, Rollins’ pregnancy was written in because of the actress being pregnant in real life. This is the Benson and Rollins soap opera most of the time now. Mariska wants to dominate the screen time, play super mommy and preach to the audience, and Rollins is obviously her second favorite character, Mariska wants the show to be all super single mommies Benson and Rollins saving the world, while their 2 brats and revolving door of boyfriends get more time than Fin, Stone and Carisi. 

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12 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

No, they won’t be adopting anyone, that would be absurd, they just wrote in Benson adopting Noah because mariska wanted to show off what a terrific adoptive mother she is since she is one in real life, Rollins’ pregnancy was written in because of the actress being pregnant in real life. This is the Benson and Rollins soap opera most of the time now. Mariska wants to dominate the screen time, play super mommy and preach to the audience, and Rollins is obviously her second favorite character, Mariska wants the show to be all super single mommies Benson and Rollins saving the world, while their 2 brats and revolving door of boyfriends get more time than Fin, Stone and Carisi. 

If they spend a lot of time on Rollins and her new squeeze, will Benson take off an episode or two and Hargitay goes behind the camera to direct more? I believe that NBC has found their version Cagney and Lacey.

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Xeliou66

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I’m going to guess that this John Conway character is going to be based on the Papa John’s founder and his fall from grace, I have a feeling that’s what the season premiere will be about, too juicy of a story for SVU to pass on, they will just throw in a sex crimes angle to go along with it, but that’s my guess about this character, the self made entrepreneur (beverages instead of pizza) and the name John, I think that’s where this story is going, could be wrong, I’m just guessing, but I have a feeling this is what the SVU season premiere will be about. 

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Gigglepuff

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I'll check it out, but honestly, I'd have been happier if they would have gone for a more general crime show like the original. Oh well. I'll give it a chance and hopefully it won't be as cheesy as SVU can be. I do kind of like how they're going to introduce the new cast through guest roles on SVU though - I wonder if that's why Carl Weathers is guest starring? 

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wknt3

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2 hours ago, Gigglepuff said:

Spin off coming. 

 

https://m.eonline.com/amp/news/965376/law-and-order-hate-crimes-unit-coming-to-nbc-as-svu-spinoff-from-dick-wolf-and-warren-leight?__twitter_impression=true

More info here

https://deadline.com/2018/09/law-order-hate-crimes-series-nbc-dick-wolf-warren-leight-1202456899/

The parts most relevant to SVU:

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Law & Order: Hate Crimes follows the route that Wolf’s FBI drama originally was supposed to take — launching characters on SVU before becoming its own series on NBC.

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Dick Wolf and Warren Leight are creators and executive producers. Peter Jankowski and Arthur Forney will also serve as executive producers. Law & Order: Special Victims Unit is a Wolf Films production in association with Universal Television. Dick Wolf is creator and executive producer. Michael Chernuchin, Julie Martin, Mariska Hargitay, Alex Chapple, Arthur Forney and Peter Jankowski are executive producers.

From my POV this is potentially a good thing for SVU if we get to see an episode or two completely dominated by the case at hand with no personal life subplots with some new detectives. And if it provides a outlet for the activist preaching that some of the creative forces involved in both shows have indulged in a bit too much the past few years. I do hope that it is either a hit or a flop and not a borderline case so we aren't constantly doing crossovers and bringing back past characters from the L&Overse there instead of SVU. And that the tone is along the lines of Season 17's first half instead of what we got after that or some of Warren Leight's other work, but that doesn't really directly affect SVU...

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Gigglepuff

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26 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

And the franchise cheats death again. So, even if SVU ends soon (20th year and Thursday can be make or break, especially opposite ABC), there will still be another series after all.

Shades of zombie Lewis. 

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wknt3

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3 hours ago, Gigglepuff said:

I'll check it out, but honestly, I'd have been happier if they would have gone for a more general crime show like the original.

I'm pretty sure that TPTB aren't interested in a more general show with the L&O brand after Trial By Jury and L&O:LA.

 

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

And the franchise cheats death again. So, even if SVU ends soon (20th year and Thursday can be make or break, especially opposite ABC), there will still be another series after all.

Maybe or maybe this is the CSI Cyber of L&O...

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wknt3

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14 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I'd say L&O: TBJ and/or L&O: LA already have that distinction as both were blink and gone.

I meant it as the spin-off that was going to keep the franchise going forever and instead was just its death rattle.

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WendyCR72

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3 minutes ago, wknt3 said:

I meant it as the spin-off that was going to keep the franchise going forever and instead was just its death rattle.

Ah! Then yeah, I agree. Let's hope the end - whenever it is - isn't by a total whimper/silence, but with it being so old, I guess it's a real possibility.

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Fellaway

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I'm glad Leight is back in the L&O fold, though I'd prefer him back as showrunner on SVU than on a new show.  And, oh good grief, more characters eating up screentime on SVU as they're "introduced"?  If Carisi has any storyline at all this season, I'll (gladly) eat my hat.

I'd be totally down with Carisi being shifted over to the new show, though, because Leight knows Carisi.

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dttruman

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With this new L&O: Hate Crimes series, I am all for it. I just have a couple of reservations. Will they be following the same format as the present day "SVU"? If so, I am against it immediately!! These are my terms.

1. 95% of each episode must cover the investigation of the crime.

2. Better accurate story lines, that won't fudge realism so as to create cheesy melodramatics

3. The star of the show can not be an executive producer

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Gigglepuff

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15 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Ah! Then yeah, I agree. Let's hope the end - whenever it is - isn't by a total whimper/silence, but with it being so old, I guess it's a real possibility.

They need Barba back to dramatically pull the plug. 

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shapeshifter

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On September 4, 2018 at 5:12 PM, wknt3 said:

More info here

https://deadline.com/2018/09/law-order-hate-crimes-series-nbc-dick-wolf-warren-leight-1202456899/

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based on New York’s actual Hate Crimes Task Force, the second oldest bias-based task force in the U.S. The unit, which pledges to uphold a zero tolerance policy against discrimination of any kind, works under the NYPD’s real Special Victims Unit and often borrows SVU’s detectives to assist in their investigations.

I wonder if this means older SVU actors can semi-retire by signing contracts to do x-number of HC episodes per year.

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WendyCR72

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16 hours ago, Fellaway said:

I'm glad Leight is back in the L&O fold, though I'd prefer him back as showrunner on SVU than on a new show.  And, oh good grief, more characters eating up screentime on SVU as they're "introduced"?  If Carisi has any storyline at all this season, I'll (gladly) eat my hat.

I'd be totally down with Carisi being shifted over to the new show, though, because Leight knows Carisi.

Makes me wonder what happened with Leight's Sony deal. Isn't that why he left the franchise in the first place?

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Fellaway

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5 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Makes me wonder what happened with Leight's Sony deal. Isn't that why he left the franchise in the first place?

That's a good question.  He did have a three year deal with Sony that overlapped his final season on SVU.  I had a look at his IMDb page, and there's only one credit, post-SVU, for a movie/pilot called Shelter in pre-production.

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dttruman

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17 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

New York’s actual Hate Crimes Task Force, the second oldest bias-based task force in the U.S. The unit, which pledges to uphold a zero tolerance policy against discrimination of any kind, works under the NYPD’s real Special Victims Unit and often borrows SVU’s detectives to assist in their investigations.

After thinking about this a while, the story lines may get a little complex and probably even a little bias, since that is what the producers and writers are notorious for in many past episodes of SVU. Some episodes maybe cut-an-dry, but what about the ones where a hate crime is committed but the producers and writers skew it so much that they make the suspect look justified with his (or her) actions?

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WendyCR72

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I'm just not sure how this will translate to TV. Yes, SVU can also be depressing with all the pervs, but just seeing the worst that humanity has to offer week after week? I get this is a real unit, but I'm not sure how long people will watch a show with the subject matter unless casting and writing is really good. We'll see, I guess.

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wknt3

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On 9/5/2018 at 11:29 PM, shapeshifter said:

I wonder if this means older SVU actors can semi-retire by signing contracts to do x-number of HC episodes per year.

There are no SVU actors in that position though. Mariska is the show in the eyes of TPTB and Ice-T also seems to be considered too valuable to the show (besides being semi-retired already and wanting to stick around until the end.) I could see them cutting Ice for another episode or two and him going over to the new show instead of doing another reality show or commercial though. If it was a few years ago they almost certainly would have shifted Florek or Belzer over, but at this point I don't think anybody will get to that point before the show ends.
 

14 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I'm just not sure how this will translate to TV. Yes, SVU can also be depressing with all the pervs, but just seeing the worst that humanity has to offer week after week? I get this is a real unit, but I'm not sure how long people will watch a show with the subject matter unless casting and writing is really good. We'll see, I guess.

Yeah it's all about the writing. I think it's possible to pull it off since Leight basically did it in the first half of Season 17, but I do have my doubts based on SVU as well. I will check it out and give it a chance.

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WendyCR72

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No idea if anyone watches SVU repeats on MyNetwork during the week (which have aired on Monday nights from 8 to 10 ET), but as of the 24th, they have surprisingly been pulled from the fall schedule. CI is oddly being kept and put in its slot from Thursdays (and I say that as someone that actually prefers it to SVU, but the latter has many more episodes to rotate versus the former - maybe the cost got too high?), while adding Chicago P.D., The Good Wife, and CSI: Miami, along with Dateline to round out the M-F schedule. The X-Files and American Ninja Warrior are also being dropped from the weekly airings.

Still, if you have the station and watch, check your local listings as some areas do deviate and maybe the scheduling will be different.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

No idea if anyone watches SVU repeats on MyNetwork during the week (which have aired on Monday nights from 8 to 10 ET), but as of the 24th, they have surprisingly been pulled from the fall schedule.

There's a lot of broadcast programming shakeup going on right now. I'm trying to keep up with it in a Google Doc spreadsheet, LOL.
SVU is still running all day Saturday marathons on ION.

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Fellaway

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Maybe SVU is more expensive to acquire, even if you were just going to buy a block rather than the entire run.  It's still a current show, has way more eps, and is (arguably) more popular than CI, so maybe SVU has a higher price tag.  I don't think channels like ION, etc. have a lot of money to throw around.

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WendyCR72

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Maybe it also comes down to which seasons are more often shown. Like the DVDs now being MOD for the past few seasons, etc., maybe later seasons have diminishing returns/ratings, which can be a pitfall for shows that run so long.

Or maybe that has zip to do with it.  :-P  Just spitballing.

But as an aside, for all the talk I read on the forums of how great the Mothership was again at its end with Sisto and Anderson, etc., well, many I talk to in real life always say how the show "just wasn't the same without Lennie" and they quit. So maybe it's a matter of separate audiences for separate periods for the Mothership and SVU.

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Jaded

Jaded

I'm not sure what the USA Network would do if it had to stop airing SVU since it takes up so many hours on their schedule. Everytime I look at the Titan TV Guide online it seems like it's what's always on outside of the few original programs that they air.

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17 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I'm not sure what the USA Network would do if it had to stop airing SVU since it takes up so many hours on their schedule. Everytime I look at the Titan TV Guide online it seems like it's what's always on outside of the few original programs that they air.

It can always go back to its pre-bought-out-by-NBC Universal roots and go back to schlock! (USA Up All Night, Silk Stalkings, Duckman, etc.)

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