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I don’t need to see the COO of FC without his shirt ever again. Can we not admire this man for his brains, his education and his accomplishments? Now we’re sexualizing men as it’s been done to us women for so many years. Oh and Quinn? You screwed the pooch, honey. Move along to your next conquest. And Hope? Get a damn functioning brain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I agree with everyone else that it’s not so much that we are opposed to Quinn having an affair with Carter, but that the way it is being written is cringe inducing. The constant objectification of Carter over the years instead of giving him a real storyline is horrible. I’m happy for the actor that he has had the opportunity to be front and center of storylines as of late, but his relationship with Zoey and now with Quinn has just not been written well. I know Covid has played into some of the issues, but they are capable of more.

I don’t get why Eric allowed Quinn to move back into the house if he wasn’t ready to work on their issues. When he invited her back he acted like he was ready to forgive and forget and now he won’t even cuddle with his wife. Damn you show for trying to make Quinn a sympathetic character.

Hope was complaining that Liam was doing too much by sending all the gifts and calls, etc and now she wants to complain that he stopped. Why is show also acting like he hasn’t been around in forever? I think it’s unbelievable that Liam would give up time with his kids even with everything going on. I also want to complain about the constant jokes about Liam’s masculinity (“it’s probably all the soy he eats”) as if there is only one way to be a man. It’s not a good message to send. 
 

This show is so frustrating with their redemption of Thomas and acting like he’s a great father all of a sudden. This is the same guy who tortured  his kid with nightmares to manipulate Hope. 

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Bill had the line of the day. “You have the opposite of a poker face. You have the let me show you all my cards face!”

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I can’t take much more of whiny Liam. I wish Bill would smack him up beside his head. He’s so annoying. 
 

They are really pushing LSV as the slab of beef for B&B. He’s been a glorified extra and on call priest for years and now they put him on contract for this. It’s kind of insulting. We all know he’s in awesome shape but now after all these years it’s naked Carter 24x7. I’m just glad he wasn’t giving Zoe the time of day and she will be soon leaving but it’s pretty obvious where the show is going with Quinn & Carter. The worst part of it is that’s being done during COVID where neither will actually be able to touch each other which will be all the more awkward. I guess LSV’s wife will be soon be sporting a Quinn wig. 

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I'm realizing that I might be more of a fan of the actress herself than the character, but I'm about done with Hope.  She can't possibly have any doubt that Thomas is still aiming for her after today and his lame ass nice guy pickup lines.   I really understood where she was coming from up up until right about now, and that she wasn't so much upset that Liam stopped sending her gifts and crap, but just the extreme and sudden change in his behavior. But now she actually seems just interested in getting attention, if she's gonna put up with Thomas- of all people- like this.  Or at best having some facade of a happy family, but that's not much better.

In a way I feel like I should on some level feel sorry for Liam, because it was in fact an accident through no real fault of his, and Bill put him in a terrible position.  But I can't.  The constant crying and sad facing.  Letting Bill speak for him like he's a little boy.  IT's a bad situation, but by now DO something.  Pick a lane instead of just passively revealing your own guilt.  This is like the zenith of his Waffle personality on display here. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Angeleyes said:

Hope was complaining that Liam was doing too much by sending all the gifts and calls, etc and now she wants to complain that he stopped. 

Why can't the show pick a side and stick with it? Why is Hope now waffling like it's 2014 all over again? If she wants to leave Liam, then leave but expecting him to grovel at her feet forever is the same obnoxious princess behavior that put me off of Hope the last go-around.

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n a way I feel like I should on some level feel sorry for Liam, because it was in fact an accident through no real fault of his, and Bill put him in a terrible position.  But I can't.  The constant crying and sad facing.  Letting Bill speak for him like he's a little boy.  IT's a bad situation, but by now DO something.  Pick a lane instead of just passively revealing your own guilt.  This is like the zenith of his Waffle personality on display here. 

Exactly. I've often compared him with Y&R's Sharon, but even at her lowest points, even she had glimmers of agency, like choosing to date Adam despite everything and hiding the fact that the baby she thought she had with Dylan was (presumed) Nick and Hammertoes' kid (I cannot remember the characters actual name bc she was there for maybe a year). And even for Sharon Case's bug-eyed performances, Sharon Newman kept her cool better than Liam, who is supposed to be a sane person.

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Chief Hot Dog and Detective Mustard can theorize about which is more important Vinny changing the paternity test or dealing drugs but can’t theorize what Vinny was doing in Bel Air. 

Carter’s best acting occurs when his  pecs and abs are showing.  

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Damn, those Logan women get twitchy when their Spencer men don’t return calls. Katie rolls up on Bill to ‘check in’ when he’s MIA for two days and only texts. Hope takes Liam back after he bails on lunch and tucking in the kids one time. Is Flo gonna have Wyatt on a short leash too?

Of course we now get the laying it on thick of Bill’s devotion to Katie and Will now that we know he’s got a whopper of a secret and in danger of going to jail. Meanwhile Liam now has incentive to keep his mouth shut with Hope taking him back - but will that be enough? Liam’s conscience seems like it won’t let him enjoy the reconciliation for long. And you just know one day Thomas will visit and Liam will mistake him for Ghost Vinny and say something incriminating 🙄

Katie being involved means the secret will be out before you know it. Maybe Katie will turn Liam in to save Bill which would be an interesting betrayal to see play out.

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If it's Friday Hope must be wearing another outfit that infantilizes her. The boots didn't help, AFAIC. Meh.

I'm with Det. Sanchez. Vinny's having messed with the paternity test doesn't seem to me like a reason for someone to kill him. Everything about the baby has been made right, and Liam's marriage problems started when he got fooled by a mannequin. Liam's not psycho enough to murder someone who wasn't even involved in that. Nah, IMO it must be drug dealing- or some other criming-related, if not an actual accident.

Liam, you'd be better off taking Bill up on his offer to send you away for a while. Hope is relentless and she will get the secret out of you one way or another. Plus, your BFF Tom practically lives there now and you won't be able to complain about it.

Whoa, Liam and Hope actually hugged and kissed! No stand-ins and camera angle trickery involved. Guess AN and SC are both vaccinated now.

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Chief Hot Dog and Detective Mustard can theorize about which is more important Vinny changing the paternity test or dealing drugs but can’t theorize what Vinny was doing in Bel Air. 

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21 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Meanwhile Liam now has incentive to keep his mouth shut with Hope taking him back - but will that be enough? Liam’s conscience seems like it won’t let him enjoy the reconciliation for long

Pfft. His conscience didn't bother him all that much when Bill and Caroline got between Thomas and Sally and his skag wife had enabled that. He just pushed Bill outta the office for a few weeks and went about his business. 

Liam is very much a selective white hat when he wants to be.

21 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Katie being involved means the secret will be out before you know it.

Sure will. Boy, will it ever.

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On 4/24/2021 at 7:04 PM, ByaNose said:

Who will find out first? Wyatt or Katie? 

Probably that horrible Flo woman.

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Liam and Hope = same old 💩. Zoey and Carter = can’t give 💩💩‘s. Eric and Quinn = old man can’t get it up anymore. Actually Eric needs Viagra just to not wet himself when he takes a piss.  Now Quinn and Carter = a project in progress 🤞.  Once you go Quinn there is always a grin. 

Is Zoey wearing a dress or the drapes from the dressing room.  

 

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55 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

Is Zoey wearing a dress or the drapes from the dressing room.  

 

The drapes.

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Shut up, Katie. You weren't concerned about Hope's pain when you foisted babysnatcher Flo upon her again without so much as a wink and a nod. Backstabbing Auntie is who you are, not Concerned Auntie.

So, did Zoe wake up late and have to wear her bed sheets to work? WTAF? 🙀

Mind your own business, Paris. Carter's got some lady parts on his mind and they ain't Zoe's. How many times does he have to hear the same arguments for reuniting with Zoe and then tell you all NFW again?

Heh, Zoe, Quinn's gonna convince Carter of something but it won't include you. She's not looking for a three-way, haha.

Oof, Quinn's outfit was kinda out there too. I did like the belt. And red is always a good color for her IMO.

My guy $Bill has a decent poker face but he fell into the trap of saying too much. He needs to keep the lies short and to the point, especially with Det. Baker.

I can't wait until the next time Liam makes Hope regret trusting him. Because he definitely will. I guess she gets off on being magnanimous. 😑

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I’ve been dumped before. It was an office romance. I never NEVER asked anyone to intercede on my behalf. Do people actually do that? Or do most real people act like a grownup and handle it themselves? 

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And like Quinn had nothing better to do during her work day (probably not, actually) than to run to Carter and plead Zoe's case. Get over yourself, girl. 

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Zoe and her “outfit” were quite hideous today. The new designer wardrobe person that Brad Bell hired for the show really outdid herself. That thing was ugly in color and sizing. Hot mess alert. In fact, they (she) are dressing all the younger cast way OTT. All they do is sit around at Forrester all day wearing these clothes. It’s so ridiculous. 

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12 hours ago, Runningwild said:

I’ve been dumped before. It was an office romance. I never NEVER asked anyone to intercede on my behalf. Do people actually do that? Or do most real people act like a grownup and handle it themselves? 

My first big dumping (for lack of a better word since we were never a thing to begin with) was my junior year of high school in '02, and I can tell you with certainty than even high schoolers would be embarrassed of the way Zoe acts.

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Donna made Eric wear a sleep mask because he wanted it to be pitch black and Donna wanted a nightlight. I guess Donna wanted to see what she was doing and Eric thought Donna looked better in the dark.  Musical chairs or should I say musical beds?  Let Donna have the half dead Eric and you should jump on Carter. Carter is an E Ride (old Disneyland reference)and Eric is a Zonk. 

I can’t believe why the Death of Vinny is becoming a Strauss Waltz.  Chief Hot Dog still doesn’t ask what Vinny was doing in Bel Air and Bill doesn’t give Liam an alibi for the time of the accident.  Chief Hot Dog just hears The Blue Danube playing in his head as he strolls around Bill’s office and trying to catch Bill off guard. 

I think Hope has pulled Liam’s head out of his ass so he will stand up to Chief Hot Dog  

 

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Oh Liam. Hope owns you now. She'll never let you forget what you did and how she forgave you for it. The self-satisfaction is oozing out of her pores. 😼

Only $Bill has the stones to mock a police detective to his face. He may live to regret that once certain puzzle pieces start falling into place for Baker.

I like Donna with the darker hair and think she looks refreshed as a honey blonde.

Quinn, you are putting Carter in an awkward position. He may not want to take sides in your troubles with Brooke and Ridge. He might not have any trouble boinking his boss' sexually frustrated wife though. 😉

Why did I think Quinn was wearing a jumpsuit? Today it was clear it's a maxi shirt dress. Hmm. Between her outfit and Zoe's, there must've been a sale on leftover bolts of fabric.

Liam, when someone asks you if you killed a guy, you don't take a beat or three and pull a guilty face before you answer. Do you want to go to prison?

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Just wait until Hope finds out that all of the tears and self-flagellation are all about his killing Vinny and nary to do with his ONS with Steffy. 

Clearly, he’s forgotten all about his ONS. 

And is lying to Hope yet again. While the act of infidelity, itself, can be a marriage killer all on its own, it’s much more often the LIES that put the nail in the marital coffin. 

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The same old same old. Zoey is delusional, Hope is the eternal optimist, and Quinn eye fucks Carter. Carter could have put his shirt on before answering the door but he knew Quinn was at the door because it was in the script.  

 

Chief Hot Dog asks Liam if he killed Vinny but doesn’t ask him where he was when Vinny was killed. 

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It's honestly been a good, long while since we've had a steamy affair. The last one that I recall was Quinn & Ridge, & they only kissed. I'm here for Quinn & Carter. Every other couple on the show is more boring than watching paint dry. They're both pretty, inappropriate, hurt, it's the perfect storm. 

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No insult intended to anyone but are the new wardrobe people blind? These clothes are ugly, ill fitting and sad for the women who are forced to wear them.

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I don't what it is but something about Hope just makes me want to smack her. From one week to the next she can do completely opposite things yet justify both actions. Now she's all about the kids needing Liam to be home. So, they didn't need him a month ago? 😒

Carter, Victor Newman has a saying, "You are playing a very dangerous game." You sure you want to be your boss' estranged wife's confidante? She's telling you things you may have reasons to wish you didn't know if your job gets jeopardized because of it.

Why are they going to all this effort to redeem Zoe if the actress is on her way out for greener pastures? Surely B&B is not going to recast such an unpopular role. 🤔

Interesting to me that AN and KKL are still keeping socially distanced in their scenes, yet AN and SC are not.

OMFG, how hard is it for Bill to tell Baker that Liam will have nothing to say until and unless his attorney is present? Liam hasn't been arrested but he still has a right to keep his stupid mouth shut.

Lol, Carter answers the door like that? What if it had been a group of nuns collecting alms for the poor or something? They'd have gotten quite an eyeful, bless their holy hearts. 😉

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6 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

What if it had been a group of nuns collecting alms for the poor or something?

It might make them reconsider their vocation 😍

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Well, what to say about this mess?

Hope makes no sense. At. All. You and Liam can't work on your issues if he is not there? You wanted some time alone to work on your issues and your feelings Hope, so now you need Liam back home in order to do that? The kids miss him? How long has it been since they have seen him; like 3 days or something? Nah, what the issue is, is that you thought Liam was pulling away. He cancelled your lunch date, and he stopped showering you with love-me-nots, he refused to come home with you to "spend time with the kids", and he was acting all kinds of weird. So, you panicked, and were suddenly able to find forgiveness, and a way to forge ahead for your family. I call BS on it though. And just wait until you find out about your man's latest troubles. ONSs will seem like small potatoes,

Zoey just needs to stop. She is so annoying with her begging. How to say this in a way girlie will get; 

CARTER DOES NOT WANT YOUR CHEATING ASS

CARTER AIN'T HAVING IT

HE JUST ISN'T THAT INTO YOU

YOU BURNED HIM, AND NOW HE IS DONE

I simply could not imagine running to my boss, and her husband, and my boss's boss, and my sister, to plead my feeble ass case to the man that dumped me with cause. Zoey is pathetic. And there better not be a recast. Bring back Rick, or Bridget, or Kristen, or Felicia, or Sally, or Thorne (only the real deal). Just make it someone who brings something to the story. 

Quinn is a hot mess. I guess Shauna is no longer her bestie, cause she now spills all her confidential stuff to Carter. And didn't he answer the door shirtless, and didn't Quinn get all giggly and goo goo eyed. Miss me with it Show. You could have made this interesting, and naughty, a good old fashioned soap dalliance. But as with all good possibilities; you have ruined it. 

"Did you do it Liam?" "Did you run Vinnie Walker down?" The idiocy of it is almost too much. "Yeah, I sure did Lt. Baker, I went out in my car looking for Vinny so I could run him over. Imagine my luck that he was right there when I left Hope's house that night." 

Bill only made Liam look guilty. 

Quinn lamenting how Brooke always gets a pass, something I totally disagree with. I won't say Quinn was wrong in her accusation that Brooke has hurt those she is supposed to love, because for sure she has, but that is pretty much the sum of Brooke's "crimes". Brooke's type of criminal activity is far easier to overlook and forgive than yours Quinn my girl. I mean, Brooke does have lines she would never cross; kidnapping, attempted murder, rape, and outside of that, Brooke is not really a plotter and a planner. She doesn't orchestrate her criminal activity; she just goes with what her heart is telling her, and her wayward heart has lead her down some very painful and horrible paths. But she has never mapped things out, and she has never worked with someone to break the law and engage in faux marriages. The problem with you Quinn, is you are jealous. You do these absolutely ridiculous things, and expect understanding and forgiveness. In a way, you are just like Stephanie, who lived her live making Brooke's life hell, and always expected everyone to forgive her and understand her motivations. I am glad that Eric is giving you a cold shower. He forgave you for all the shit you pulled before he married you, and he forgave you for your affair with his son after he married you. I think Eric see's the Stephanie pattern starting, and maybe he is just tired of living his married life that way. So, tootaloo sweetheart. 

I have no idea what Zoey has been wearing, but I find it necessary to don sunglasses. And the cut is awful, and so ill fitting.

Hope looks like she is dressing for third grade. And what is with the flaring sides of that skirt. And the boots do nothing to help the ensemble. 

I liked Brooke's dress, but that belt looked like it weighed about twenty pounds, and destroyed it. 

I do like Quinn's dress; RS is amazing in red. 

Carter wasn't wearing clothes again. And Eric is out of town. And Quinn is horny.  

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I have no idea what Zoey has been wearing, but I find it necessary to don sunglasses. And the cut is awful, and so ill fitting.

According to Worn on Tv it's a Balenciaga skirt and top set. Which just goes to prove, IMO, that couture is largely b.s. Eventually fashion designers start getting lazy and resting on their laurels. Plus, I don't think Zoe has enough height to pull that look off. She looks to me like she bought a Tall when she needed a Petite, haha.

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what the issue is, is that you thought Liam was pulling away. He cancelled your lunch date, and he stopped showering you with love-me-nots, he refused to come home with you to "spend time with the kids", and he was acting all kinds of weird. So, you panicked, and were suddenly able to find forgiveness, and a way to forge ahead for your family

Exactly. As soon as Hope got an inkling that Liam's attention was inching away from her, suddenly she's all about getting the family back together. Ugh, those two deserve each other.

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Zoey just needs to stop. She is so annoying with her begging. How to say this in a way girlie will get;

CARTER DOES NOT WANT YOUR CHEATING ASS

CARTER AIN'T HAVING IT

HE JUST ISN'T THAT INTO YOU

YOU BURNED HIM, AND NOW HE IS DONE

Carter needs to invite Zoe over to watch a movie. (It's only 22 seconds but still probably NSFW.)

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Paris, a little judgmental are we?  Quinn dissing Zoey with Carter is clearly out of the blue.  

Wow!  Liam travels lite. He moves in with his father and moves back home without even needing to transport his clothes. 

Carter flirts with his abs and pecs and Quinn flirts with her eyes and legs.  Go for it Carter.  Why settle for a bony insecure little girl who doesn’t know shit about life when you have a real woman sitting on your couch.  Forbidden fruits can be very rewarding.  

 

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On 4/26/2021 at 3:35 PM, Foghorn Leghorn said:

Zoe could hardly walk in that yellow nightmare today! 

Social distancing is OVER I guess!

 

 

 

I have figured it OUT !!!   Costume dept is influenced by "Little Edie" (Grey Gardens) !!!

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My favorite looks of the week were that shimmery goldish dress Katie wore and I also liked Quinn's long red shirtdress. I thought they both looked great and I also like Quinn's softer hairstyle. Bangs never have been RS's friend. I always think they are hiding bad Botox or fresh microblading.

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What's that bumpy fabric of Bill's shirt? Is it dotted swiss? It's distracting me, gosh darn it.

Looks like Paris is going to be the one to suss out the impending (fingers crossed!) dirty dealings between Quinn and Carter. Hmm. She'd do well to stay far away from mess involving Quinn though.

Hope a strong independent woman. Pshht. 😒 She lives 100 yards away from her mommy in a cabin owned by her mommy. She works for a company mommy married and divorced her way into partial ownership of. She can't go more than a few days without a man kissing up to her, preferably Liam but Thomas will do in a pinch. Hope seems like the opposite of strong and independent to me. Has she ever stood on her own two feet and not been propped by someone?

Has LSV lost weight? He seemed thinner in the face to me today. His body is a lot leaner too; I didn't hate it as much. 😼

Seriously, Wyatt? Aren't you a little old to be trying to borrow dad's car? Get a rental, you spoiled baby. Besides, surely Flo has a vehicle.

Vinny's Ghost: don't get too comfortable back in Liam's arms, Hope. Just sayin'.

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11 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Hope a strong independent woman. Pshht. 😒 She lives 100 yards away from her mommy in a cabin owned by her mommy. She works for a company mommy married and divorced her way into partial ownership of. She can't go more than a few days without a man kissing up to her, preferably Liam but Thomas will do in a pinch. Hope seems like the opposite of strong and independent to me. Has she ever stood on her own two feet and not been propped by someone?

A spot on description of Hope.  Plus, she dresses like mommy's little girl.

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So we’ve taken a break from Bill screaming at the top of his lungs all the time and we’ve moved onto Brooke whispering half the time. 
 

Dang. Where’d I put my hearing aids?

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2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

 

Seriously, Wyatt? Aren't you a little old to be trying to borrow dad's car? Get a rental, you spoiled baby. Besides, surely Flo has a vehicle.

 

She's certainly been ridden many, many times from the looks of it.

 

 

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15 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

Hope makes no sense. At. All. You and Liam can't work on your issues if he is not there? You wanted some time alone to work on your issues and your feelings Hope, so now you need Liam back home in order to do that? The kids miss him? How long has it been since they have seen him; like 3 days or something? Nah, what the issue is, is that you thought Liam was pulling away. He cancelled your lunch date, and he stopped showering you with love-me-nots, he refused to come home with you to "spend time with the kids", and he was acting all kinds of weird. So, you panicked, and were suddenly able to find forgiveness, and a way to forge ahead for your family. I call BS on it though. And just wait until you find out about your man's latest troubles. ONSs will seem like small potatoes,

Alllllll of this. It's like it's 2014 all over again and I hate it.

Despite all his many flaws, Liam has been splitting his time between two families from day one of fatherhood and I'd buy him growing a spine before I buy him pulling away from his kids for any reason. Hope is once again turning into the fickle, selfish toolbar who wants to have her cake and eat it too and I hate it. Switch out Wyatt for Tom-ass and it's basically the same bullshit but with no sex appeal and even less emotional honesty.

Yawn.

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Anyone want to guess the actual date that Carter & Quinn hook up? From the look he gave her yesterday, I'm thinking under a month, although, this show moves along at snail-speed, so that could be like an actual day in show time. My actual date guess is 5/14. 

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Quinn can miss me with her whining about Brooke never paying for her misdeeds. 

Because (1) not true (Stephanie orchestrating Andy's rape of Brooke is but one example) and (2) when has Quinn spent one day in jail for her actual crimes of rape, attempted murder, kidnapping, assault, and some I'm probably forgetting (and she may have actually killed the Hope diamond guy whose name escapes me now)?

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Anyone want to guess the actual date that Carter & Quinn hook up? From the look he gave her yesterday, I'm thinking under a month, although, this show moves along at snail-speed, so that could be like an actual day in show time. My actual date guess is 5/14. 

I'll go with 5/10 but if they cliffhanger it, the pre-game festivities will begin on 5/7.

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2 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Quinn can miss me with her whining about Brooke never paying for her misdeeds. 

Because (1) not true (Stephanie orchestrating Andy's rape of Brooke is but one example) and (2) when has Quinn spent one day in jail for her actual crimes of rape, attempted murder, kidnapping, assault, and some I'm probably forgetting (and she may have actually killed the Hope diamond guy whose name escapes me now)?

As someone explained earlier, Brooke has definitely dealt in her fair share of malarkey but the most 8ntentionally malicious thing I've ever recalled her doing is sending a "congratulatory" drink over to Macy and Deacon after they got the company taken from under her. Not a great thing to do to alcoholics, sure, but it's not illegal and Macy immediately dumped the drink on her head. Which is still more consequences than Quinn faced for kidnapping.

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1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I'll go with 5/10 but if they cliffhanger it, the pre-game festivities will begin on 5/7.

I'm figuring it'll end on a Friday cliffhanger, because it'll be "a shocking event that'll rock daytime." The first time Carter & Quinn had an alone scene together, they were setting the stage, & they were both batting bedroom eyelashes in yesterday's show. 2 weeks is my guess. I'm still saying, I hope it's a steamy, drawn-out, naughty, delicious affair. It's been too long, & no, Steamless rolling on the couch doesn't count. I'm honestly looking forward to this, & it's usually only $Bill that I look forward to watching.

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So, I was way off on my date guess, but I'm not mad. I didn't take into account that it's Carter, & he moves fast. He'll probably propose by Tuesday. ;-)

Having said that...damn! That's the hottest scene this show has had in ages. I truly can't remember the last time the show was so saucy, even pre-COVID. Still, maybe? That was like 4 years ago. Wall sex? Shoulder kissing? Carter, I didn't know you had it in you. It was what I was hoping, delicious, naughty, hot, it was an elicit affair, or at least the beginning of one.

Now, Paris is totally going to walk in & catch them. I hope they sneak around for awhile, I'm thinking an affair like the Phlick (on Y&R) original affair. It was what I hope Carter & Quinn turn into. 

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I'm pretty lukewarm on Quarter still but I'll take anything new at this point xD

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