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[Artsda]

Does Ivy have brain damage? She goes from cheating on Wyatt with Thomas, to cheating on Wyatt with Liam in Wyatt's own house? Get the hell out Ivy!

[Bill C.]

Honestly?  If Show suddenly busted out that having several thousand volts zipping through her body jacked up Ivy's brain and that was why she's suddenly sprung on Liam again, I'd be of a mind to allow it.  As grisgris so aptly noted, right this second Ivy is pulling a Taylor (see also: the flaming, infuriating, forty-odd-seconds-long demise of Trick) and while it never looked good on that poor lady it really, really looks horrible on this gal.

 

When have Liam's ladies ever enjoyed themselves? Hope went to fucking THERAPY because she had sex to keep him around. Steffy was barely boarded to Paris after her miscarriage before he was going back to Hope. Enough said.

About the only thing that Liam has on Ridge is that he hasn't slept with drunk/drugged women who were taken by his brothers. But storytelling wise, I find Liam to be lower on that totem pole than pre sex change, doe eyed Maya because he never ACTS, he just always REACTS or gets led around the nose by someone else. This drives me crazier thst even Brooke's repeated bullshit I've been sitting through for the last 16 years.

 

That's an interesting consideration.  In fairness, AIUI, Ridge has always been portrayed as a larger-than-life, grand gesture-fancying playboy (albeit with a huge shift in scale due to the transition from Ronn Moss to Thorsten Kaye) and, for better or worse, something of a sexual dynamo.  That's something they've thankfully veered away from trying to seriously replicate with anybody else except (of course) Brooke; by extension, though, that does tend to make all the other couplings on the show look a trifle dull and drab by comparison.  "Cha cha cha!" only goes so far, show.

 

As for the newest intruder to Bell-A: other than the admittedly ridiculous legporn, I'm not really feeling Sasha yet.  Or at least not as a character in her own right, rather than just as an apparent dirty little secret in some fashion of Papa Avant's; if the show had held off on that particular tidbit until a later time, she might have had a chance to be interesting for herself rather than as Secret Plot Point Indicator #264.  And it doesn't help that she's getting lumped in with Nicole and Zende, who are some purty wallpaper designs.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Bill C.

[Anna Yolei]

I wouldn't mind Liam so much if they've ever explain WHY he gets dragged around as he does. The closest we've gotten was that one off comment Steffy threw out about him playing hero because he couldn't save his mom from cancer (or whatever she died from), but that was earlier this year. Liam's been on the show nearly six tedious, long years.

I think RM had charisma to make Ridge work in the early years, before he got a pass on everything and every male character lost out to him. But I wouldn't mind seeing the guys make some effort to woo their ladies again. Granted, the budget no longer allows for many trips to Lake Como and Venice and St Thomas but surely there's a prop around for a fancy Los Angeles restaurant lying around somewhere at CBS Studios.

[Bill C.]

Unless Rick did some wooing with Maya and I missed it, the show's been rather light on classic wooing for a while now.  Which is odd for it, on a couple of levels.

[Cupid Stunt]

In lieu of wooing by Bill C. ...

 

Merry Christmas from someone's family to ...um ... I can't imagine who would be to the recipient of this ... 

 

 

 

 

Makes my family look pretty good.

 

 

Especially when they wear clothes.

[Anna Yolei]

Well...that's something! LOL!

[Kitty Redstone]

Those poor kids!

[bittersweet4149]

What in the bluedilly fuck?!?!?!

Hope the parents put aside money for therapy. Those kids are gonna need it.

[smartyshorts]

That's certainly ...different.  Beats whatever cowl necked, zippered, off patterned monstrosity I caught St Maya wearing the other day.  And the "Coochie Cutter" , casino flooring patterned nonsense Sasha's been prancercizing around town in.  Every time that girl takes a step, I can feel a Ghost Wedgie.

Get her a better weave, she's a good looking girl. She got her Weave at Steffie's house of "Too much is never enough".

Ivy needs a fall off a balcony or something.  She's already been pushed off a bridge into a river, then electrocuted in a wall of Silly String (seriously, what the hell kind of electrical set up is that!!!??) whats one more potentially brain damaging event.  maybe she'll fall for Zende or Carter or something.

Edited December 20, 2015 by smartyshorts

[Snaporaz]

Oh, Cupid, you are one seriously twisted individual. Which is why I think I <3 U!

I'm already planning to come trick-or-treating at the Stunt house next Halloween!

Edited December 21, 2015 by Snaporaz

[Cupid Stunt]

<curtsy>

 

Thank you, Snaporaz. You're on the list.

 

When I find this ... erm ... stuff, I count my blessings.

 

 

For the dog-lovers ... The Holy Family ...

 

 

Joseph, Mary and baby Dweezil

Edited December 21, 2015 by Cupid Stunt

[Anna Yolei]

Ivy needs a fall off a balcony or something. She's already been pushed off a bridge into a river, then electrocuted in a wall of Silly String (seriously, what the hell kind of electrical set up is that!!!??) whats one more potentially brain damaging event. maybe she'll fall for Zende or Carter or something.

Hey, Steffy hit her head on a tub and woke up in love with Liam!

I just realize this show no longer does the balcony fall, which when started watching was damn near a year event. Morgan fell lover, Jackie's fallen, Rick....hell Caroline fell over and went from Hope 2.0 to actually interesting overnight.

If Ivy falls and discovers she's in love with someone else (or even better that she chooses herself and hops the first flight to Sydney away from the insane asylum.....er, Forrester mansion), I'm all for it.

<curtsy>

Thank you, Snaporaz. You're on the list.

When I find this ... erm ... stuff, I count my blessings.

For the dog-lovers ... The Holy Family ...

Joseph, Mary and baby Dweezil

WTF?!

I live in San Diego, and I've seen all kinds of pets in the malls here to include birds and snakes, but wow. I'm laughing my ass off!

[LittleIggy]

Cupid, I've had a rough couple of weeks, so thanks for the laugh (a gut busting one). I needed that's! :-)

[photo fox]

Ivy, I love you, but I love Wyatt more.  Don't make me hate you.

 

<snip>

 

Why on earth is Bill Bell messing with one of his few decent couples?  And the only one who's currently any fun?  (I don't count Pam/Charlie, because I want to shove her flapping maw full of lemon bars until she suffocates.  And we hardly ever see Batie.)

 

Quoting myself here.  I actually wrote this in response to whatever-the-fuck that was with Thomas, but it's a thousand times more apropos to whatever-the-fuck this is with Liam.

 

Poor Chicken.  :-(

[KerleyQ]

Quoting myself here.  I actually wrote this in response to whatever-the-fuck that was with Thomas, but it's a thousand times more apropos to whatever-the-fuck this is with Liam.

 

Poor Chicken.  :-(

 

Seriously.  She's looking to dump him for the guy who dumped her ass, at her cousin's funeral, for the life size Bratz doll, because she brought 10 cent parachute men and cold truffle fries to the party.  You never look back, honey.  Never. 

[catalogrrr]

Watching Friday's episode and this is what I got:

Steffy is still playing victim when she's really an evil mastermind.

Liam is still a self-serving waffling idiot.

Ivy is in the right but is looking like she's all wrong. And what have they done to her hair?!

Zende has weird facial hair.

Nicole is still mopey. That actress still can't act.

Sasha? Who dat? And, WTF is that outfit?

Maya ... zzz ... also, mopey.

Rick ... zzz

Making Papa Avant the Voice Of Reason means that no one will ever see the light.

Team Ivy! Everyone else can shove it.

ETA: forget Team Ivy! WTF was that crap with Liam? I don't get why he's such a prize.

I'm firmly Team Catalogrrr. Back to my hiatus.

Edited December 21, 2015 by catalogrrr

[KerleyQ]

Team Ivy! Everyone else can shove it.

 

ETA: forget Team Ivy! WTF was that crap with Liam? I don't get why he's such a prize.

 

 

If the show doesn't get what a problem it is that viewers can literally turn on a dime on a character like this, I don't think there's much hope. 

[ByTor]

In one way or another, they have made basically every character unlikeable/unrecognizable/unrootable and so on. Right now, I'm strictly Team Loading Dock Guy.

[KLovestoShop]

Do any of these writers have any talent?  It certainly doesn't appear so because if they did, they wouldn't be recycling the same stories month after month.  Didn't we recently have this same old shit of love waffling Liam?  Now we have love waffling Poison Ivy?  No wonder why I've stopped taping both Y&R and B&B.  They both suck puss balls.  

 

Papa Avant was dipping on the side?  Bad Boy.  

Edited December 21, 2015 by KLovestoShop

[tessaray]

In one way or another, they have made basically every character unlikeable/unrecognizable/unrootable and so on. Right now, I'm strictly Team Loading Dock Guy.

 

This is about the only reason I'm still recording the show.  (LDG is my favorite character right now.)  That and waiting to see if the CaRidge magic ever reappears.

 

I can't believe I'm saying this but the show was 10 times better when I first started watching - and I hated the Hope/Liam/Wyatt Paris ultimatum/wedding. And the stupid red ribbon crap. 

[Waldo13]

Christmas is coming but instead of the 3 wise men we get the 3 saints. Saint Maya, Saint Nicole and Saint Zende. Nicole, I'm sorry, Zende, no Nicole, I'm more sorry than you. What a crap fest. Even more disappointing is the Ivy/Liam crap fest. All the evidence is right there, with the switching of girlfriends, when Wyatt's commented that Quinn is crazy about Steffy plus all the praise Wyatt laid at her feet. Am I off team Ivy? Not really but I do think Wyatt and Steffy would make a better couple. Liam/Ivy = Toyota Corolla while Wyatt/Steffy = Ferrari 458 Spider.

Daddy Avant you bad boy. Just suck it up and let Sasha live in LA. Your just going to bring suspicion on yourself as Ridge is in not forgiving Thomas. Not that he deserves it though.

[jenrising]

Why, show? I can forgive (not really) laziness when you've got nothing interesting going on. But why keep coming up with actually fun, engaging storylines and then immediately dropping them for more trite retreads? Are they planning to kill the entire cast off and this is the way to make sure we don't care?

[NinjaPenguins]

Please tell me Ivy's desire for stale waffles is a direct result of high voltage rattling her synapses. What does Liam have to offer a woman? He has no sense of style, no agency, and no sex game. Sure, he's got money, but the dopes who fight over him aren't hurting for cash. He likes to get married, which I guess might appeal to some women, but that's one paltry positive in a sea of negatives. Whatever, show. You can try to sell it but we don't have to buy it.

Wyatt, if you sleep with Steffy, you are dead and coated with Shake N' Bake to me. Have some dignity, man.

[Anna Yolei]

I can't believe I'm saying this but the show was 10 times better when I first started watching - and I hated the Hope/Liam/Wyatt Paris ultimatum/wedding. And the stupid red ribbon crap.

I can't cosign to that, because Katie and Ridge had the worst chemistry of any couple ever on this show and it was beyond obvious that they were both together to stick it to Brill--and why it fell apart when those two did.

Also, Hope would NEVER GO AWAY. HTom had three years on KM, and the both of them had the same number of episodes by the time KM left. As stupid as all the stories are right now, we do get a few days' reprieve, whereas Hope was ALWAYS front and center. And even on her bi-annual day off, we got idiot Brooke and Taylor continuing their children's battle.

[AussieBabe]

Bell...just throw in the towel. I was underwhelmed by the reveal and even more underwhelmed by Zende. I'm hoping he'll cheat and get Sasha pregnant. I can't take all this sainthood. What is the purpose of making Sasha a child of Julius'? It literally serves no purpose unless Bell is planning on the stress of the news causing Nicole to have a miscarriage or to have an accident on the stairs.

Ivy...ugh. I'm sick of seeing that quad. Please go into the basement and use some of the vets.

[Cupid Stunt]

LittleIggy, on 20 Dec 2015 - 11:35 PM, said:

Cupid, I've had a rough couple of weeks, so thanks for the laugh (a gut busting one). I needed that's! :-)

 

 (((Iggy)))

 

Keep the faith and don't spread it thin.

 

 

 

Does that elf have a sleeve tattoo?

[Gam2]

This show has gotten so stupid and badly written that I've been watching old reruns of "Dr. Phil" on  OWN while it's on. And also while Y&R is on. Yes, indeed. That's how awful these two soaps have become. Hard to believe, I know, but they're even worse than reruns of Dr. Phil. RIP B&B and Y&R.

[AussieBabe]

I'd much rather watch GH or even DoOL. B&B is getting worse. I wonder if Nicole is really their daughter or if there was some Lifetime type of switched at birth type of deal. I'd rather this than another unfaithful man who can't be loyal. Maya wouldn't get her designer baby with Avant and Forrester genes, and Nicole and Zende's dull romance would be wrecked for no reason.

[tessaray]

I can't cosign to that, because Katie and Ridge had the worst chemistry of any couple ever on this show and it was beyond obvious that they were both together to stick it to Brill--and why it fell apart when those two did.

Also, Hope would NEVER GO AWAY. HTom had three years on KM, and the both of them had the same number of episodes by the time KM left. As stupid as all the stories are right now, we do get a few days' reprieve, whereas Hope was ALWAYS front and center. And even on her bi-annual day off, we got idiot Brooke and Taylor continuing their children's battle.

 

Well, I did say I hated the Hope triangle and the red ribbon crap surely encompasses Ridge/Katie.  But there was Paris and Ivy/Ally's friendship and Quinn's crazy on full display.  By the time I was about to check out (thanks to Hope), we got Ridge not being able to draw and Quinn/Deacon.  It was enough to keep me watching.  Now, I last about 3 minutes and I turn off the video. It's like the writers are actively trying to make me hate all the characters.

 

I envy those of you who can make it all the way through an episode.       

[RedRockRosie]

I have nothing to add except WHAT THE HELL ,SHOW? I mean really....why invest in anyone when they are constantly flipping from one thing to another?

 

I used to like Ivy but they've totally ruined her for me.....this Spencer brothers trading...are these guys interchangeable according to the women? I just don't get it...and have no desire to even try anymore.

 

Sick of the whole surrogate thing. They deserve everything they get for having so much stupid. Gah.

 

Show, WTH??

[Kitty Redstone]

This show has gotten so stupid and badly written that I've been watching old reruns of "Dr. Phil" on  OWN while it's on. And also while Y&R is on. Yes, indeed. That's how awful these two soaps have become. Hard to believe, I know, but they're even worse than reruns of Dr. Phil. RIP B&B and Y&R.

 

Totally agree.  When the Hallmark Channel returns to regular programming after the holidays, I'll go back to watching twenty-plus year old reruns of Diagnosis Murder instead of General Hospital.  And there's been plenty of times I've turned the channel from B&B to the dreadful Chew if (and only if) Star Trek:TNG isn't on BBCA, and I've seen every episode of that show more times than I can count.  Soap writers and producers should be ashamed of themselves that their work can't compete with decades-old repeats or some banal talk show.

[Anna Yolei]

Well, I did say I hated the Hope triangle and the red ribbon crap surely encompasses Ridge/Katie. But there was Paris and Ivy/Ally's friendship and Quinn's crazy on full display. By the time I was about to check out (thanks to Hope), we got Ridge not being able to draw and Quinn/Deacon. It was enough to keep me watching. Now, I last about 3 minutes and I turn off the video. It's like the writers are actively trying to make me hate all the characters.

I envy those of you who can make it all the way through an episode.

Hmmm...all good points. What little I remember seeing of Aly and Ivy's friendship is one of the rare intra-Forrester comradery that wasn't build around tearing another woman down over a man (Aly's final bout of Puritan psychosis notwithstanding), so that was something.

Better than the totally predictable schtick with Julius being Sasha's father. What is the point? Why reveal this within a week of her arrival on the show. Mossimo was on the show for MONTHS paling around with Stephanie and stirring shit up with Ridge so when we find out that he was Ridge's bio dad, we actually cared.

I like the actor playing Julius, but I don't have many fucks to give about the character when he's not calling Maya out on her selfishness...and that's still more fucks than I have for Sasha. It's why I barely keep up with Y&R, even by reading the posts on this board.

[TobinAlbers]

Sasha/Zende/Nicole are the Steffy/Liam/Hope triangle all over again. Sexpot/horn dog/dumb virgin.

Let me get this straight, Zende wanted to talk about his issues and Nicole ran away and left him alone because she didn't want to hear what he said? And she's mature enough to handle being a surrogate?

The thing is Ivy's rationale made sense in that she was so angry at Liam's betrayal she denied she still loved him and just went to war with him and Steffy. After nearly dying she's back to realizing who is important to her. Only Liam ain't biting. Yet.

My mom says Liam should give Wyatt a heads up about Ivy's hitting on him again but I'm of the mind that Liam tells Wyatt that all he'll get is Wyatt's sour puss face whining about how Liam is trying to make this all about him (when according to Ivy it really is) and then Quinn up in his grill once Wyatt goes complaining to his mother -which he always does.

[Anna Yolei]

Totally agree. When the Hallmark Channel returns to regular programming after the holidays, I'll go back to watching twenty-plus year old reruns of Diagnosis Murder instead of General Hospital. And there's been plenty of times I've turned the channel from B&B to the dreadful Chew if (and only if) Star Trek:TNG isn't on BBCA, and I've seen every episode of that show more times than I can count. Soap writers and producers should be ashamed of themselves that their work can't compete with decades-old repeats or some banal talk show.

I've seen the excuse that reality TV and the sensationalization of the OJ case in the mid 90s have killed the viewership for soaps. But those excuses are just that. With DVR/streaming, soaps could be a goldmine. Telenovelas are doing well on Hulu Latin line up, and from some of the clips I see, I wish I'd paid more attention in Spanish class to follow them. Most people my age and younger followed Degrassi from its reboot in the early 2000s till the end of its run a few months ago, where the cast had been replaced twice over.

There's a market, but no one wants to do anything different. Bell wants to keep hammering away and retelling the Brooke/Ridge/Taylor triangle over and over. There was some George Lucas-esque poetry to having Hope and Steffy in those roles, but none of that applies with Ivy taking up Hope's mantle as the good girl.

[KLovestoShop]

You know what's even more sad about this show? The fact that Bell only has to come up with about 20 minutes of dialogue every day, when you add in the commercial time. It's not like he has to write for an hour show with a much larger cast.

[tessaray]

The thing about Hope is that with her off-screen, it's like the EPs don't give a damn about the show.  So we get storylines run through at super speed (Maya being outed and Rick is cool after about 20 minutes) or they just get dropped unceremoniously (Aly's "murder" video/Aly's funeral/Aly's anything) or people lately associated with Hope disappear (Deacon, Brooke) because they can't seem to think of anything to do with them if she isn't in the picture. 

 

There's plenty of potential but not the way they keep mangling anything remotely interesting or intriguing.  

[LittleIggy]

(((Iggy)))

 

Keep the faith and don't spread it thin.

 

 

 

Does that elf have a sleeve tattoo?

At least they have clothes on! :-)

[ByTor]

What is the purpose of making Sasha a child of Julius'?

Exactly...they love to write what they consider to be dramatic and shocking, but its just for the sake of that with no purpose/end result in mind. Like what was the purpose of making Ivy interested in Thomas? For her to come full circle and realize that she really loves Liam? Wasn't there a better way for her to come to that realization without nearly boinking her cousin? She even told Liam she has been in love with 2 men, both Spencers...I mean, I know she wasn't "in love" with Thomas, but if you give the show a little while Ivy and Thomas will behave like they barely know each other.

[SweePea59]

I wonder if Nicole is really their daughter or if there was some Lifetime type of switched at birth type of deal. I'd rather this than another unfaithful man who can't be loyal. Maya wouldn't get her designer baby with Avant and Forrester genes, and Nicole and Zende's dull romance would be wrecked for no reason.

Ooooh, that would be so good and serve Maya right - haha, Myron, you strong-armed stupid little Nicole into having that baby and the half Avant baby she's having for you is zero percent Avant!

 

I floved Papa Avant's dramatic reaction to the poorly delivered, "Daddy". Priceless. It was like a giant spider was going to attack him.

 

Boy, do I miss The Clarence Report. I wish they'd bring him back.

[tessaray]

Better than the totally predictable schtick with Julius being Sasha's father. What is the point? Why reveal this within a week of her arrival on the show. Mossimo was on the show for MONTHS paling around with Stephanie and stirring shit up with Ridge so when we find out that he was Ridge's bio dad, we actually cared.

 

 

I am a complete cynic, so the character of Sasha makes me suspect that bringing Maya's family to LA may have always been on the drawing board but now that Maya is transgender and can no longer be the scheming vixen, she's useless. Either that or Karla Mosley's contract is coming up?  (Told you I was a cynic.) 

[blackwing]

Just about every single character on the show right now sucks the big wazoo.  They truly and utterly suck.  The only characters I can tolerate are Vivian, Katie, and Wyatt.  Everyone else can die a horrible death.  Just put those three in an underground bomb shelter and send out the ICBM onto Bell A.  I'd put Brooke in there too, but apparently she has left town and didn't tell anyone.

 

Who would have predicted that the main characters of this crapitudinous crapfest of a craptacular crapola crap crap crap CRAPPY CRAPPY CRAPPY show would be ZZZZZzzzzzzzende and Nicole?!  To think that I once hated the never ending battles between Stephanie and Brooke, the constant rivalry between Brooke and St. Taylor, and complained about the overexposure of Bill and Katie, How I long for those days.  My goodness, this show has gone so far down the toilet, it's in the sewer.

[AManfred]

I know we predicted that Sasha was Julius' daughter, but I enjoyed the soapy cliffhanger. So sue me! This is what I love about these shows; yesterday's ending was soapy goodness to me. :)

 

Merry Christmas to everyone! Enjoy this magical week.

[RedRockRosie]

Boy, do I miss The Clarence Report. I wish they'd bring him back.

 

 

OMG! Me too!!!!! So much better than the actual show!!

[Anna Yolei]

I am a complete cynic, so the character of Sasha makes me suspect that bringing Maya's family to LA may have always been on the drawing board but now that Maya is transgender and can no longer be the scheming vixen, she's useless. Either that or Karla Mosley's contract is coming up? (Told you I was a cynic.)

When was Maya ever a vixen? ;)

And while Maya's transgender reveal has been the worst, I think it's doing a disservice to make her a saint for it.

The thing I've noticed in TV over the last few years is that there are more gay/trans characters on TV without that being their defining feature. Cyrus from Scandal is a good example, as is Laverne Cox's character from OITNB. There's an opportunity for that here in Maya....as much as I hated the gold digging Rick N. Sane cheerleader, I hated the mousey doe-eyed creature she used to be even more.

I guess what I'm saying is Maya doesn't have to lose her edge. No, I don't expect her to be bouncing around the Forrester men like Brooke and Taylor, but she can still be a force to reckon with.

[Anna Yolei]

To think that I once hated the never ending battles between Stephanie and Brooke, the constant rivalry between Brooke and St. Taylor, and complained about the overexposure of Bill and Katie, How I long for those days. My goodness, this show has gone so far down the toilet, it's in the sewer.

I'll grant those story had nostalgia in their favor, but eery one in them had a presence, even Ronn Moss.

Now? Not so much. Those fights had history behind them. All the players now just change at the drop of a damn hat that its almost unfair to single out Liam for being a waffle anymore.

And Brooke? Well, there's no men for her to date, so Bell apparently has no use for her. How many did we hear about her turning over a new leaf and getting new story threads after Flannery's retirement?

I thought this show had fallen off the wagon after the Brooke/Nick/Bridget bullshit and when Rick and Phoebe were hot for each other. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

Edited December 22, 2015 by Anna Yolei

[politichick]

So if Ivy and Steffy are all "we are family," does that mean Ivy is acknowledging that she's an incestuous hobag now since she was making with Thomas, Steffy's biological brother, who also happens to be FAMiLY? And this running after Liam is a new ho low. Ivy needs to get over herself. Liam made his choice and for once has stuck with it.

 

Now Chicken Mouth has overheard his girl begging his brother to give her another chance. Is he going to have some pride and maybe dump Ivy and rebound with Sasha? When Steffy gets wind of this I hope she accidentally on purpose knocks Ivy upside her head.

 

Who is this Sasha chick's mother? Vivienne's friend, perhaps? My closest childhood friends' mothers are friends with my mother.

 

These writers should be fired. If I did my job like they do in this horrendously lazy manner, I sure the fuck would be.

[AussieBabe]

Wyatt kick her trifling bum to the curb. You just heard her spill her guts.

Sasha...please slip and fall off the balcony. Making demands. "Daddy I wanna go to Hawaii!" Silly little twit, he's not funding it, and he didn't plan it. Thanks writers. Another insufferable and whiny character.

[Waldo13]

Wyatt kick her trifling bum to the curb. You just heard her spill her guts.

Sasha...please slip and fall off the balcony. Making demands. "Daddy I wanna go to Hawaii!" Silly little twit, he's not funding it, and he didn't plan it. Thanks writers. Another insufferable and whiny character.

Sasha, you really want Daddy to recognize you, his illegitimate daughter, so you can go to Hawaii? WTF, young lady, that will sit well with everyone. So it looks like if Sasha doesn't go than no one goes. That makes her almost as selfish as her half sister Maya.

Run Wyatt Run! But that won't happen because his ego won't allow it. After all he snatched Hope away from Liam. He will try to do the same with Ivy. And, of course Liam, is really giving Ivy mixed signals. He seems to be avoiding just telling Ivy she has no shot at getting back with him.

[KerleyQ]

And, of course Liam, is really giving Ivy mixed signals. He seems to be avoiding just telling Ivy she has no shot at getting back with him.

 

 

Well, you know, he doesn't like to take any woman completely off his hook.  Do you know how rough those months were for him after Hope left town and before Steffy returned?  He only had the one girl.  How can any self-respecting waffle function without a backup?  

[Anna Yolei]

His experience with Hope should have been enough to run screaming to the hills when Ivy started waffling.

Remember when Bridget told Brooke and Ridge that she was with Nick? It was right after Amber the sociopath's brilliant scheme to get a pic of her and Ridge kissing to use as a way to stay with Thomas. But anyway, Brooke expressed her concerns for Bridget dating yet another man she'd been with...a worry that was mentioned often until well after their first divorce.

Why does no one make mention of history like this here? It's not like they don't name drop Hope twice a week anyway, and it would actually make sense to bring this up.

That said, Wyatt needs to stop picking up Liam's leftovers. Granted. Ivy was a lot more subtle, but Hope went back and forth like she was Steve Harvey announcing Miss Universe (sorry, I had to go there!). And had KM not left, I fully believe the baby would've been revealed as Liam's and she'd been back with him without a second thought.

Edited December 22, 2015 by Anna Yolei