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Yes. While I generally prefer to see films I'm interested in on an actual big screen in a cinema, I like the indies and art house films also having venues (and revenue streams) that don't pit them directly in competition against big budget blockbusters for a limited number of screens.

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Late to the party re “Parasite” but I finally watched it.  I thought it was a good movie overall.  I thought it was going to be a stark examination of class warfare, the traditional haves vs have nots.  I was prepared to watch the have nots claw their way to the top and cheer them on.   And then... midway through, it just got really weird.   Was not prepared for that at all.  This is definitely a Best Picture unlike any other winner.

I think my biggest problem with the movie is that I didn’t find any of the characters particularly sympathetic.  I liked the poor family until all the nastiness to get into the rich family’s lives began.  I found the rich family to be vapid, particularly the scene where rich wife is on her phone the whole time while shopping and just puts items into the cart while poor dad walks a few paces behind her like a modern day slave.  Part of my issue is that there wasn’t much background on how they got to be so rich, unless I missed it.  Does the husband work really really hard?  Or did they inherit it all?   I didn’t even feel much sympathy for the old housekeeper, who was deceiving her employer.

In the end, I found myself feeling empty and wanting more of a satisfying resolution.

I also wish that if the Academy had considered this movie to be so worthy of Best Picture, that a few of the actors would have been nominated.  I would have nominated Poor Son, Rich Wife and Poor Dad.  Why is it so hard for Asian actors to get nominated for acting awards at the Oscars?  So few and far in between.   Just like with Crouching Tiger and The Last Emperor where the movies were deemed among the best of the year but no recognition at all for the actors.
 

For sure, this movie benefited from the backlash against the almost entirely white slate of acting nominees   It’s like Hollywood was protesting a bit too much   “See we aren’t racist!  We will name a Korean film as Best Picture and make history!”

Who was the lady that spoke who got the lights shut off on her until the audience clamored to let her speak?  Was that a producer or an actress?  I hadn’t seen the film before the ceremony so now trying to picture her face again, was it the old housekeeper?

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2 hours ago, blackwing said:

I think my biggest problem with the movie is that I didn’t find any of the characters particularly sympathetic.  I liked the poor family until all the nastiness to get into the rich family’s lives began.  I found the rich family to be vapid...

I know what you mean. I think it's inherent in the movie's title, and the puzzle it presents. Are the poor family the parasites because they're living off the rich people when they take over their house? Or are the rich people the parasites, feeding off the labor of the poor? You can make an argument for either point of view, and I think the movie's title is meant to make us consider that you can make an argument for either point of view.

However, that's an intellectual reason to admire the movie. Not an emotional one. The movie left me cold as well.

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3 hours ago, blackwing said:

Who was the lady that spoke who got the lights shut off on her until the audience clamored to let her speak?  Was that a producer or an actress?  I hadn’t seen the film before the ceremony so now trying to picture her face again, was it the old housekeeper?

Miky Lee, who was an Executive Producer on Parasite.
From 'Parasite' to BTS: Meet the Most Important Mogul in South Korean Entertainment

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On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 5:08 PM, TattleTeeny said:

What was incoherent about Joaquin's--was it how he said it? I didn't watch the show last night but I read the transcription, and the words/sentences themselves made sense to me. 

A lot of it was in the delivery, but also in how disconnected the various parts of it were.

On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 5:45 PM, slowpoked said:

I find the Academy's love and hate affair with Netflix interesting. I think the Academy should like it that Netflix is participating, because they're so willing to drop the BIG bucks during awards campaigning. And having huge money spent can only eventually benefit the Academy itself.

My problem with Netflix stuff being nominated for Oscars is the argument that their stuff should be nominated for Emmys because it's television.  But it's also movies.  If Netflix is television, then their movies shouldn't be eligible for Oscars because they've run on tv.  Unless they run the movies in theaters first so they do qualify?  I guess I'm just confused about how they decide which is which.  Obviously multi-part stuff would count as television but still, confusing to me.

On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 6:07 PM, blackwing said:

I’m curious about when the decision to have these young, mostly minority, actors introduce themselves and the presenters was made.  The cynic in me says it was after the nominations were announced and there was backlash about the almost entirely white acting nominees.  “See we do care about young minority actors!”   Eh.  I thought it seemed a bit too obvious.  Like they were checking off boxes.  “We need an Asian... Kelly Marie Tran!  We need a Hispanic... Anthony Ramos!  We need a black person... Zazie Beetz!”

Just seemed really tacked on.  At least when the announcer announced presenters, he would say what they were known for.  I had no idea who most of these people were, and in some cases they said their name so quickly I didn’t even catch it so couldn’t even Wikipedia them if I wanted to.

They pretty much had to introduce themselves to me because I had no idea who most of them were.  And still don't know what they did.  Hell, I only knew George Mackay because I've seen 1917.

On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 6:55 PM, rmontro said:

As for Eilish, the first time I saw her, I thought why is she singing like that?  She doesn't project, it's almost a whisper.  But once you get used to the way she sings, then... you get used to the style, I guess.  It fits her emo image, or whatever it is.  At least it's not the same as everyone else.

For me, it wasn't her style of singing that was the problem.  It was her inability to stay on-key.

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21 hours ago, blackwing said:

Does the husband work really really hard?  Or did they inherit it all?

The husband was the CEO of an IT company - that's his company where Mr. Kim picked him up. There were also shots of newspaper articles displayed at home where he was featured as a hotshot CEO.

As for the wife, who knows. Either she married rich, or was a trust fund baby. She gave off the vibe to me that it was the latter, due to her quip of "I haven't been in the subway in ages..."

22 hours ago, blackwing said:

I would have nominated Poor Son, Rich Wife and Poor Dad.

This is my feeling as well. It was a great ensemble, but Mr. Kim and Mrs. Park stood out especially.

As much as a non-English film finally broke through the biggest award, Asian actors still cannot break through the acting categories at all. When was the last time an Asian actor got nominated? (and good God, don't say Hailee Steinfeld)

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On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 8:09 PM, Nordly Beaumont said:

Made sense to me, too. It didn't seem off the cuff to me, I think he said what he wanted to and planned to say.

He may have, but it was incredibly poorly thought out and badly delivered.  It was a rambling mess.

On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 8:30 PM, paramitch said:

Again, which I found really upsetting that the camera people couldn't find native American actor Wes Studi for his moment after his fucking honorary Oscar (or fellow honoree Geena Davis).

Agreed, and I was pissed that neither award was given during the ceremony like they used to be.  I'd rather have watched them receive honorary Oscars than any of the best song performances (minus Eminem who was awesome) and whatever that mess was that Maya Rudolph and Kristin Wiig were doing.

On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 8:30 PM, paramitch said:

I'm all in favor of am American or female Bond

Hell to the no from on either one.  Of course, I'm one of those "Idris Elba or nobody!" people, so . . .

On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 8:30 PM, paramitch said:

love that you brought these up. I adore Renee as Bridget (she's absolutely wonderful).

I thought she was okay but not great as Bridget.  Part of that was because I'd pictured someone else when I read the book, though (Patsy Kensit to be specific) so that definitely colored my opinion of her performance.

On ‎02‎/‎11‎/‎2020 at 12:01 AM, Crs97 said:

I didn’t find his BAFTA speech rambling at all.  He said he was honored, but conflicted to receive the award because the lack of diversity in nominees made it clear to POC that they aren’t welcome.  He said he is part of the problem for not requiring inclusion clauses in his contracts, and it is the responsibility of the people benefiting from systemic racism to bring it down.  It was a beautiful speech IMO.

Here it is

I saw it at the time and found it rambling.  Not as bad as his speech at the Oscars but only marginally better.

On ‎02‎/‎12‎/‎2020 at 3:16 PM, aradia22 said:

loved Sandra Oh's gown. It's doing a lot but it's doing it successfully. It's polished and it commits. 

I thought it swallowed her up.  And made her look like she was wearing something she'd found in Grandma's attic.  To each, their own.

On ‎02‎/‎12‎/‎2020 at 8:44 AM, Milburn Stone said:

Any pauses and body language and ums and ahhs uttered were mere distractions.

But how it's delivered is part of any speech.  It's not just the words on a page.

Now, because I don't want to become that person, I'll leave my thoughts on Joaquim Phoenix's speech there.

On ‎02‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 5:01 AM, paramitch said:

I was so thrilled Brad thanked the stuntpeople -- I'm a huge supporter of the Academy adding stunt categories, and it's way way past overdue. Stunt persons make the impossible look possible. They do things that could get them killed to make the stars look good (and plenty have died doing so). So many great stunts through the decades are legendary. It needs an Oscar category.

Yes, if any category deserves to be added to the Oscars, it's stunt work.

On ‎02‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 5:01 AM, paramitch said:

Charlize Theron is basically bathing in the magical sacrificial blood of a thousands virgins at this point (along with Keanu Reeves), because she just continues to look so fresh and amazing. And I love that when awards season comes out, she just crops her hair down to a few inches and still manages to look like this is not the most difficult look in creation to carry off as flawlessly as she does.

Yep, she has to be.

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Not having seen Parasite yet I can't comment on its actors' performances. But, for example, I loved 1917 and thought it a worthy Best Picture contender without feeling that George McKay or anyone else in the cast was particularly slighted by not getting an acting nomination.

I do think Michelle Yeoh not at least being nominated as Best Actress for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was a travesty. Hers was my favorite film performance that year, full stop.

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1 hour ago, Bruinsfan said:

I do think Michelle Yeoh not at least being nominated as Best Actress for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was a travesty. Hers was my favorite film performance that year, full stop.

Ugh, another big miss by the Academy. And that was the year that Julia Roberts won over Ellen Burstyn. Just travesty all around.

Even if CTHD committed some kind of category fraud and tried to slip Michelle Yeoh in the Supporting Category, I thought her performance should still have had a stronger chance over someone like Judi Dench. 

I was hoping she would have a fighting chance for CRA, but also not meant to be. 

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8 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

For me, it wasn't her style of singing that was the problem.  It was her inability to stay on-key.

Interesting.  I'm a big Beatles fan, and I thought she did a good job with it.  Surprisingly good, considering her age, and her image.  I think she falls more into the artist category than the straight singer category.

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On ‎02‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 9:28 PM, rmontro said:

Interesting.  I'm a big Beatles fan, and I thought she did a good job with it.  Surprisingly good, considering her age, and her image.  I think she falls more into the artist category than the straight singer category.

Really?  On my tv she sounded terrible, and it wasn't the tv.  I'm not a Beatles fan, nor do I particularly like that song - maybe that makes a difference?

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18 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

Really?  On my tv she sounded terrible, and it wasn't the tv.  I'm not a Beatles fan, nor do I particularly like that song - maybe that makes a difference?

No it doesn't. Because I AM a Beatles fan, a Sir Paul McCartney fan, and I LOVE This song. And she did a horrible rendition of it. Like I posted up thread, she looked like she was gritting her teeth when was singing this.

No one but Sir Paul should sing this song. Yes, I said it.

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