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 SunnyBeBe: Logic and consistency aren't this show's strongest suit. Let's all take a moment and remember the sober blackout flashback, wherein Deacon and Rayna had sex and she (who'd been dating an alcoholic for more than a decade) didn't notice he'd been drinking, but in the end he was so drunk that he completely forgot she'd come by at all.

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This is from Eonline:

 

Nicole: Even though we all knew it was coming, Juliette being pregnant is still so shocking! Got any scoop on the who the baby daddy is?
When Nashville picks up this week, Juliette's determined to keep her pregnancy a secret…from everyone. In fact, she's so determined to keep the news from getting out that she actually considers taking drastic measures right away, and that drastic measure starts with "a." We won't say whether or not the country star goes through with that major decision, but viewers will finally get an answer to "Who's the daddy?" by the end of the episode.

 

 

It looks like we find out this week who the father of Juliette's baby is.  Thank God.  She implied last episode that she slept with Jeff last month.  Maybe when she goes for her exam she'll find out she's two months along and realize it's Avery's baby.

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Yeah, either Deacon or Maddie will apologize and all will be well, but that was definitely intense. Though not unrealistic given the hurt on both their parts running under it all. Looks like the apple didn't fall too far from that tree.

 

You know, this is the first time I've ever been angry with Maddie. Not because of the blow up, but because she just sat there for an hour while Deacon put that cabinet together and didn't even offer to help. Maybe it's just me, but I built decks and hung siding with my Dad and learned the ways of all things electrical from him. And those projects usually go faster when two of you are working on it - bonding experience missed!!

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What do you mean? I think that's great a great scene! Here's the thing I like about Deacon most, and I realize it contradicts how lots of people want to raise kids, but so what? He treats these girls and women (Rayna, Scarlett, Maddie) like they are all on equal footing. Sometimes that means it all goes great and he's the cool dad who plays guitar with you like you're both pros. Other times, it means he will fight you toe-to-toe. They punch him in the face (metaphorically) and he just hits back rather than treat them like poor little girls who need the big bad man to be careful with them. Maddie will be fine. She's smart and capable. They can both say sorry for lashing out at each other because they're sad about Rayna, and then move on. He's done this to Scarlett too, and she is at her best when she stands up and tells him to man up. He's inadvertently teaching these girls to be fierce and brave within a very emotionally safe environment; they know he loves them completely. He also lets them walk away when they need to. I say, go, Deacon!

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I loved it-- when I say intense I just meant that it was their first dad/daughter blowup and they're both so emotionally fragile and Lennon and Chip really hit it out of the park.

A lot of people are criticizing Deacon for this scene and chalking it up to his inexperience, saying he should have dropped it and consulted Rayna or Teddy in how to handle it. WTF?

I say nonsense.

He's always been a honest person by nature, just as Maddie has. She's old enough to have honesty with her parents, I think, especially when it impacts her life so tremendously.

Everything people are saying he did wrong, I think he did absolutely right. This is why at the heart of it I think he will end up being the most mature parent. He's a natural, he just has his style-- and I think his style works.

All that said, this is the first time I think Maddie has been a legit brat, but that's to be expected. And I really think Deacon can get through to her and curb that.

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Ah, gotcha. Yes. I don't think Maddie's so much being a brat, though, as just very, very sad. Same with him. When people are sad, they lack patience, and basically Deacon and Maddie are just crabbing at each other. My guess is that they will make up super fast and then lean on each other to work out the sadness.

Deacon has no responsibility to run every conversation by Rayna and Teddy. I agree. Maddie's his kid and he can talk to her as he sees fit. I love that they just lay it out and smack it around. He'll probably feel bad for yelling at her since she's a kid; he always feels bad about doing that to Scarlett too. But Maddie's old enough to have a truth-telling fight with her dad. I agree that the critics are being ridiculous.

The actual exchange between the actors is great. Lennon seems a lot more real here than in most of the clichéd bratty scenes they give her.

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I know I've said this so many time but (MM - Airwair) you guys have always given me things to think about instead of flying off the handle and getting so emotional. I agree with both of you on how Deacon handled that little episode with Maddie. He is a honest man and what Maddie needs right now is someone who is going to tell her the truth and not lie to her. Telling her he did propose to Rayna and she said no is what Maddie needed to hear not someone making excuses or promising something he can't deliver. Love how Deacon (Chip) handled that scene it was so father like but then Chip has had practice and boy did it come off with great emotion.

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Why in the world would he have called in Rayna or Teddy to deal with it? It's not their issue, the issue is between Deacon and Maddie. They've both said their piece and now they can put things back together again. I don't think he handled it poorly at all - no throwing things, no screaming, just the flat out, God's honest truth. 

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I agree with GaT. It could be a late-term miscarriage or a still birth. Both are horribly tragic, and therefore perfect for Juliette. It will probably happen right after she and Avery reconcile and decide to raise the baby together. They'll smile for half a second and then she'll start bleeding.

If they go that route, I'm done.  A friend recently went through a very late miscarriage (6+ months).  It's horrible and awful and it was my biggest fear during both of my own pregnancies.  While I'm sure Hayden would kill it I have less than 0 interest in watching it.  I got on board for the fun, soapy, look at the country music industry; I didn't sign up for dead babies. 

 

I'm completely indifferent to Deacon and Rayna as a couple but I'm all about Deacon and Maddie so I'm thrilled that they're developing that relationship more.

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Loved that scene with Deacon and Maddie. Thanks for sharing the link, airwair.

 

I think it's a little unrealistic that Maddie didn't help him with the dresser, or whatever that was, and I wonder if that's a throwaway line, or if we'll learn Teddy and Rayna don't make Maddie do anything (like chores), and Deacon will decide to treat her differently (make her wash dishes, etc. when she's with him). I did think Maddie's anger at Deacon was realistic and really liked that she blames him for not trying harder to get Rayna back. It's good for him to know Maddie definitely wants her biological parents back together.

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The new sneak for next week is up on abc.com already and oh my. Deacon's "sultry" new "muse" or whatever the hell they called her looks like a porn star and sounds like a man. This is going to be riveting. *rolls eyes*

Also, I can see the wheels turning in Wheels Up's head from here. What vindictive, condescending scheme will he come up with next??

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I wish this show could be interesting and hook Deacon up with someone cool like Laura Benanti. I also wish Deacon would actually move on from Rayna at this point. I get the whole tortured love affair, but it makes me tired.

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I often ask myself why I even want him with Rayna and say out loud that she doesn't deserve him lately, but then I go back and I watch season 1 and Chip and Connie's chemistry sucks me in, I'm reminded of when Rayna was actually good and did deserve him, and I'm back to screaming something about true love or some other nonsense.

I may say I want him to move on; that he deserve to move on, but the second he actually does is when I'll be done for good. :(

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I think that at this point, I'd be OK with it. I just watched that sneak peek and my thought was, "God, Rayna is such an asshole. Maybe she and Luke deserve each other." Yeah, they're boring and shallow as hell, but OK. At least they aren't inflicting themselves on anyone else. If the show could find someone cool for Deacon, I could get on board. The problem is that they keep hooking him up with lame women. At the very least, Rayna's going to need to work to redeem herself with him. If he just falls at her feet, I'll be pretty annoyed. She's really behaving awfully, with no good excuse anymore. I feel like her and Luke driving through Belle Meade was a metaphor for the shiny, but empty life they can look forward to together...built atop the souls of all the people they crush on their journey to a clean slate.

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Pure speculation, obviously, but I have a hunch they're headed towards her showing up on his porch groveling.

I know it's hard to envision Callie and company actually allowing Rayna to accept fault for anything ever, but given how blatantly they are writing Luke as a shallow, vindictive, condescending ass hat and Rayna getting pulled into that rabbit hole while she relentlessly hurts those around her... I feel like eventually that will bite her in the ass and she will be left with no one around to pick up the pieces for her--she will be forced to do it herself, and to look in the mirror while she does.

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That Pam does come off as a porn star, doesn't she? Like...what is that??

Rayna's going to have to beg...and apologize...A LOT. To Deacon and Maddie both. And maybe Daphne too, but she never gets to have an opinion so she might not matter.

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Deacon has no responsibility to run every conversation by Rayna and Teddy. I agree. Maddie's his kid and he can talk to her as he sees fit.

 

While I understand how Deacon let it slip out that he proposed and Rayna turned him down, telling Maddie that is a big parenting no-no.  You don't tell your kid things that are none of their business and that they can use against the other parent.  Sure, he was being honest but Maddie is now set up to pass judgment on things that she doesn't have the knowledge, experience or maturity to understand.  Teddy and Rayna have always done a good job of keeping the kids out of their issues.  I'm glad Deacon acknowledged that he shouldn't have told her and hope he's the one who tells Rayna rather than Maddie.  Unfortunately in this situation it also makes Deacon look like he's using Maddie to sabotage Luke and Rayna's relationship as well as her relationship with her mom. 

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I don't think Deacon was wrong at all and see no reason for Maddie not to know the truth if she asks. He also said that Rayna had made her choice and they had to accept it. If Rayna told the truth more often, Maddie would likely not be so miserable. It's always better not to yell at people, but life happens sometimes. Making sure that Luke isn't insecure about his place in Maddie's life isn't Deacon's responsibility at this point; it's Rayna's, if anyone's. And if either of those adults would act like they care in the slightest how awful this kid is feeling at the moment, I might empathize with them. But as is, Maddie is being treated like a hindrance too their insane plans. I'm glad she has a dad like Deacon who'll talk to her like a normal person, care about how she feels, and tell her the truth. If he wants to tell Rayna so she's not blindsided, OK, but if he doesn't, I don't think he owes her that either. It's OK to have different conversations and confidences with different parents. Maddie already dislikes Luke. Deacon told her what he did so she'd not have incorrect info about Deacon. It wasn't about Luke at all. If Rayna cares, she can ask. If she doesn't trust her child's father to talk to Maddie in confidence, that's really her own problem and failing, not Deacon's.

I do wish that last Deacon/Maddie scene had ended with him getting up a and going to hug her and sit next to her on the couch, something other than just letting her tear up pitifully with her guitar as 2/3 of her parents prepared to leave town, but this is a soap. They think it's good drama not to ever really end a scene, so...whatever.

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I disagree.  It was wrong and even Deacon realized that later.  It was wrong in the same way it's wrong for divorcing parents to give their children details (yes, even the facts!) about why they're splitting up.  Should Rayna have told Maddie and Daphne she only seriously considered splitting up with Teddy when she found he'd embezzled $3 million?  Kids naturally want their parents together whether they've been married or not and even though it wasn't his intent Deacon was using Maddie's natural allegiance to that idea.  Of course it's not Deacon's responsibility to make sure Luke isn't insecure, and I didn't say or imply that.  Although you know Luke's going to see it as Deacon trying to sabotage their relationship and use it against him.  But I do think it's every parent's responsibility to protect their child's relationships with their other parents.  He should have told Maddie he tried as hard as he could but it didn't work out and asked her to trust him on that.  Sure, it's great he can talk to her like a "normal" person and tell her things, but facts that are tangled up in past events/relationships that she has incomplete knowledge of should be off-limits.

 

If they go that route, I'm done.

 

I agree I wouldn't want to see a late miscarriage, but I doubt they'd do that.  I have wondered if given Juliette's own childhood she would consider adoption, which could be an interesting twist if done well.

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I love how Luke's reaction was "is he trying to undercut us?" rather than "is she OK?" Kid's going to be shipped off to boarding school right after the wedding if he has anything to do with it. I did think Rayna was trying to do the right thing in attempting to move the date out of concern for the girls.

 

I didn't see a problem with Deacon telling Maddie that he'd proposed, though he should have given Rayna a head's up on that (and maybe he does) so she wouldn't be blindsided. I don't think it's wrong for Maddie to know that he did stand up and fight for them. And he did say that they had to accept her Mom's decision.

 

I'm with you MM on the last scene, I would have liked a hug too given the circumstances. In her mind, everybody IS leaving her and it's most definitely the wrong time for that. 

 

Wonder if the preview showing Deacon and Rayna in the house is from a different episode or if they have it out over his telling Maddie about the proposal?

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Shron: If Maddie and Daphne had specifically asked Rayna, yes, she should have told them the truth about the money. Maddie knows that lying is a crappy way to live; that's why MADDIE is the one who told her mother about Peggy. But Rayna lies like she's drinking water. Deacon and Maddie will be fine because they love one another and tell the frakkin truth. If Rayna gets cut out of that because she's a liar, that's her fault, not Deacon's. This is their family. Maddie has right to know that her father has changed and this time did do everything he could to right things. And frankly, Deacon has a right to tell her.

Yeah, Clemgo, that response from Luke was telling. So was Rayna sneering about Deacon telling Maddie. At this point, they're both just...total yuck (as my niece would say). Maddie seemed like she'd be OK with Rayna leaving for a year (A YEAR??) if she could have Deacon. But having both of them away from her when she needs them so much is just heartbreaking. And all Luke cares about is how everything looks. That kid is so, so sad. At least Teddy's nice again, but still.

I missed the preview, but heard Deacon say something about not being sorry he told her. I hope he's telling Rayna off. Fingers crossed!

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Shron: If Maddie and Daphne had specifically asked Rayna, yes, she should have told them the truth about the money.

 

But Rayna wouldn't have told her daughters that, not to protect Teddy but to protect them and their relationship with him.  Do you really think they would be happier knowing that?  As long as it was only between Teddy and Rayna and he wasn't arrested, Teddy shouldn't have to explain to his children the reasons he did what he did any more than Rayna owes Maddie an explanation of why she didn't accept Deacon's proposal.

 

Maddie has right to know that her father has changed and this time did do everything he could to right things.

 

I agree she deseves to know Deacon did everything he could, but telling her only that is not lying.  Knowing Rayna turned down Deacon's proposal only has the power to hurt Maddie.  The fact that Rayna has made mistakes doesn't prove she's a liar and doesn't love Maddie, anymore than Deacon proposing proves once and for all that he's changed.

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I think at this point it is completely moot to try and paint Rayna as a rational, loving mother. She is seriously an awful parent at this juncture of the show. Her near roll of the eyes last night in response to Maddie clearly being upset (but actually being mature enough to not rage about it) while she smugly propped her head up with the ring glaring is just the icing on the cake.

And who seriously leaves their kids for a year to make $$$ that she doesn't even need? Wasn't H65 about getting away from the idea that music is all about money and numbers?

The mother of season 1? Apparently something happened in that coma to send her far, far away.

I hope Maddie starts going to wild parties and experimenting with boys while Rayna enjoys Ruke and all its glory to the fullest.

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Do you really think they would be happier knowing that?

 

Yes, I do. Kids aren't stupid. By the time they're eight, ten, certainly fifteen, they know what's going on and vague platitudes or incomplete information do nothing but create confusion, worry, and anger. I don't believe in lying to children, even when telling them the truth is hard. I don't believe in couching difficult or emotional topics in vagueness to protect them. I think that does them harm. I believe in telling them the truth in an age-appropriate way that they can understand. Start small and get into the details as they ask. Use the correct terminology. Explain the definitions. Whatever. That's exactly what Deacon did. Maddie is fifteen years old. She pretty much understands everything an adult does, and she doesn't need lies or lies of omission as protection. What she doesn't know is how to cope with it, and that's why Deacon still had to be the one to go to her, pull her out of her isolation, and assure her that he'll be there to help her sort through it. I thought he handled the entire thing perfectly...except for the fact that he heard her say what was really hurting her ("everyone is leaving me") and just left her there alone on the sofa. But again, I blame the format for that. This show almost always ends scenes in the middle, leaving us to wonder how the hell the characters moved on from this or that moment.

 

Rayna has made mistakes, yes. She's also a liar. They are two separate things. She lies to herself, her kids, Deacon, even Luke. Sure, she told Luke that Deacon proposed, but did she tell him that they'd made out in the kitchen? That the intimacy was palpable? That she kissed him back and went in for more? That she still has the ring he gave her ages ago and was trying it on? No way. Did she tell Luke how when she went over to Deacon's house to announce her decision, she also told him she loved him and then whimpered when he touched her? Doubtful. Rayna lies or tells half truths as a matter of course, and Maddie's life has been upended because that's how her mother copes with life. Deacon's way is a thousand times better. For what it's worth, I think Rayna (the real Rayna, not the shallow shell she is with Luke) would also prefer honestly. She's just way too scared to do it.

 

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And who seriously leaves their kids for a year to make $$$ that she doesn't even need?

 

I think this bothers me the most of anything that happened last night, but I can't decide if the show means for it to bother us or if we're just supposed to accept it as Rayna going to work. Rayna is rich as hell. She has every opportunity available to her, and she can pretty much live whatever life she wants. Yet her choice is to leave her struggling children and go on a year-long tour to try to force sales of an album that doesn't even need sales forced. So she sells fewer. Big frakkin deal. I was horrified by her ego last night and by what she was so willing to easily sacrifice in support of it.

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Her ego is wretched.

I honestly can't think of whatever reason they would have then to set her up for a hard dose of reality.

Also, the more I think about it, I do believe I remember seeing some extras casting for "Maddie party friends/making out teens."

Maybe we will get buck wild Maddie after all, since her mother can't give a shit, one dad is being threatened with lawsuits, and the other is god knows where. (Not babysitting that night, apparently.)

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Also, the more I think about it, I do believe I remember seeing some extras casting for "Maddie party friends/making out teens."

 

Ha! I swear, if Maddie doesn't start drinking, doing drugs, and having sex, it will be completely unrealistic. She's exactly the kind of kid who loses her mind at just about this age. Good job, Mom.

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Dear god, I hope so, though the (very realistic) idea of Maddie drinking and giving blow jobs makes me want to cry. Don't do it, Maddie! If Maddie is the next one to have a "who's the daddy" pregnancy scare, I might actually lose my mind.

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Oh, come on. Grandpa Deacon would be uh-may-zing onscreen. Ha!

In all seriousness, that would be taking it too far, even for them. Unfortunately for us, taking it too far doesn't scare them.

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Kids aren't stupid. By the time they're eight, ten, certainly fifteen, they know what's going on

 

No, kids aren't stupid, just young.  They don't have the adult experiences necessary to understand why someone would do certain things under certain circumstances.  At fifteen, there's no way Maddie has the life experience to even begin to understand what Rayna went through with Deacon to justify turning down his proposal.  And in my opinion she doesn't need to know all of that; the past would just be in the way of Maddie getting to know Deacon as he is now.  Rayna, on the other hand, has a right and obligation to make her decision based on both her past and present experiences with Deacon.

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Maddie already knows about Deacon's past and knows that he fell off the sobriety train when he found out about her. No, she doesn't know the most sordid details, nor does she need to, but all Rayna would have to say is that she loves Luke and feels there's too much baggage with Deacon given their past. 

 

For me, there's a big difference between telling your children that their Daddy's an embezzler and telling them that their mother would rather marry another man. Sure, Maddie's going to be upset that Rayna chose Luke, but she was upset about that anyway. Knowing that her father cared enough to put himself out there goes a long way toward establishing a bond of trust between the two of them without really damaging Rayna in any way.

 

I too hope Maddie REALLY starts acting out. They don't need a pregnancy plot with her, catching her with alcohol would be plenty given her family history. 

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The only way for Maddie to start understanding what Rayna went through with Deacon is for Rayna and Deacon to talk to her about it. She's old enough to be compassionate, angry, hurt, whatever. And if Rayna were forthcoming with her, I think Maddie would understand Rayna a whole lot more. I think too that it really matters what the child asks. If Maddie flat-out asked Rayna, "Did Deacon ever hit you?" or "Did Teddy steal all your money?" I think Rayna should say "yes" and then explain the how and why. I do not think Rayna should sit Maddie down and just lay out all the ugly parts of those relationships. There's a huge difference, and lots of adults push stuff that kids aren't ready for, but if the child asks, that is the adult's cue that she's ready, and the only answer for me is the truth. I still think Deacon should have told Maddie the truth about the "night I was born" thing too, but oh well.

 

I too hope Maddie REALLY starts acting out. They don't need a pregnancy plot with her, catching her with alcohol would be plenty given her family history.

 

Very true. That actually might shock Rayna into paying attention more than sex would. It would crush Deacon, but I guess that means more good scenes, so yay! And he handled things with Scarlett OK in the end.

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Okay guys, it seems that episode 8 is when Rayna is going to talk to the reporter again and he asks really personal questions and somewhere down the line she answers them. Don't know what it entails but I guess I'm reading too many Fan Fiction stories hoping it's going to be how she still has feeling for Deacon. It also seems to be that Rayna and LW are in competition at the CMA awards and it looks like it gets a little testy between them, I hope. Wouldn't it be something if she wins and he can't handle it. I want to see that episode LW hitting something other than the back of the front seat in his car. Does anyone have other spoilers please post...

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I don't have any new ones but a while back I saw someone on another board post photos of Deacon and Pam from a truck stop around ep 4 or 5. He was definitely coming out of the restroom area putting his shirt back on.

Perhaps we have hot truck stop sex to look forward to? This show gets more and more amazing.

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A truck stop?? Pam's just all kinds of classy isn't she?

I read a spoiler that Daphne finally gets to have an opinion. She's "entitled" (whatever that means) in episode five or six, and then the next week she and Maddie have a fight.

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I think "entitled" means she becomes spoiled because Luke makes her think she is a princess fit for country royalty.

Pam is the classiest ever. Coco Chanel has nothing on her.

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We already know Deacon's kind of a man whore when he can't have Rayna, though. Pam's woman whore status is new and thus, worthy of comment. Also she stands in the way of my joy and must be vanquished.

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I haven't seen the sneak peak for this week or the photos that were mentioned, so I have no opinion of the character yet. But I'm generally not on board with declaring that someone is a trashy whore and a pornstar (which some people here were calling her last week) because she slept with one man, even if it was at a truck stop.

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In the clip, Pam has a look about her of one who has been "rode hard and hung up wet." This doesn't make her a bad person, but it also wouldn't surprise me if she and Deacon did the nasty in a truck stop bathroom. She may also be a brilliant songwriter. I have no evidence of this yet, but I did read that she becomes his muse, so either we're headed for more crap songs like Luke was singing last week or there's more to Pam than meets the eye. Given this show's track record, I'm not sure which way I lean.

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Nothing wrong with sex, but truck stop sex is gross. I will barely use a toilet at one of those.

And I promise when I saw the photos I smacked my head and said WTF is he doing, so he isn't absolved of my shaming.

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Where are these photos? Curious to see them.

 

I'll reserve judgment with Pam until I see more than just the clip. I didn't get a "rode hard" vibe from her, but she's definitely been around the block a time or two. But then again, so has Deacon, and he's all hot and broody, which makes him even hotter.

 

It would depend on the truck stop for me - a good Flying J and I just might try it ;)

 

She's supposed to be his muse with a dark past. I'm hoping that the angst-ridden songs come pouring out of him and that it's HIS music that steals the attention from Luke and Will on the tour. And that the CMA award race between Luke and Rayna is for song of the year, with her duet with Deacon being the winner. A girl can dream, right?

 

Will Chase on the View tomorrow - Esten was on Meredith today. When will they stop trying to make Luke and Rayna happen in the viewers minds and hearts? It ain't gonna.

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