Episode Discussion: TFGH

[sunflower]

 

Wow, Sonny's compensating through clothing now?

 

Wonder was it MB or TPTB that demanded the dye job, shave, and the leather jacket?  Dude is too old for this shit, unless it's character writing, because that I'd buy from a good soap writer.  I mean, it's pathetic. 

 

I find Julian and Co pathetic also.  This whole mob war whatever over mysterious packages from Canada?  Who gives a living fuck?  Is this really the story to tell?  I think, just from Duke's look to Michael during that lovely rant, that Duke does have a soul--as he's a more old school character.  Is this crowded mob scene a plot point to show Michael is right?  Will he actually win in the end or lose his soul showing Sonny and co how wrong they are?  That's probably too deep for this regime, right?

[General Days]

I find Julian and Co pathetic also.  This whole mob war whatever over mysterious packages from Canada?  Who gives a living fuck?  Is this really the story to tell?

 

Right? I mean what are they smuggling into town -- maple sugar candies or maple syrup? This is why they should have Sonny running guns or drugs (unless I'm not clear on what the mob does, these days). But no, we can't do that, because he's a hooker, er I mean mobster with a heart of gold. It sucks. 

[twoods]

It does suck. Who knows what Sonny ever uses his territor for, and Julian can't be dealing drugs since he was against it to Fluke. Makes no sense.

I sort of want to watch today for the Duke smackdown and the low IQ duo, just so I can laugh at how dumb they are. I can't believe how unlikable they are making Morgan.

[Kitty Redstone]

This show is so fucking gross.  People do not choose to be addicts, but they do choose to be gangsters, murderers, racketeers, drug pushers, and the kind of human filth that takes advantage of young women.  Morgan and Kiki need to DIAF, along with Morgan's greaseball of a father.

 

Why in the name of all that is holy does this entire show revolve around Sonny again?!?!?!  So, so stupid.

[General Days]

twoods, Michael's smack down of Duke is epic. If you're not currently watching, it's worth FFing through the other scenes to watch. Just don't want Duke and Lucy's later scenes, because then we're back to Pod-Duke.

The scenes with Jordan, Anna, and Nathan aren't bad, either.

Edited March 18, 2015 by General Days

[boes]

This show is so fucking gross.  People do not choose to be addicts, but they do choose to be gangsters, murderers, racketeers, drug pushers, and the kind of human filth that takes advantage of young women.  Morgan and Kiki need to DIAF, along with Morgan's greaseball of a father.

 

He and Kiki were really disgusting, weren't they?  What wastes of space they are.  I'm only hoping their general incompetence stops this from happening.  

If they do, and even worse, if they do something like drugging Michael or getting him drunk on purpose, will Carly back them up?  Will she win another shiny Monster of the Year award?

And this is all so Morgan can hear his dear old dad thank him, and maybe this time, even remember his name.... pathetic.

 

twoods, Michael's smack down of Duke is epic. If you're not currently watching, it's worth FFing through the other scenes to watch. Just don't want Duke and Lucy's later scenes, because then we're back to Pod-Duke.

The scenes with Jordan, Anna, and Nathan aren't bad, either.

 

I almost forgot, in the general horror of Moobs and Morgan and Kiki, how beautiful Duke's smackdown really was.  Michael was terrific, and on point in every instance.  He didn't have to stretch the truth or exaggerate one single thing to drive home what a worthless tool that kilt hanger has become.  

He couldn't find a more deserving partner than Lucy, either.   If he can't see that his life has gone straight into the toilet, then losing Anna and gaining Lucy should certainly prove it to him.   

Lucy is like choosing Curtain #3 and finding out you've "won" a weekend with Richard Simmons and Pauly Shore.  

[rur]

 

Wonder was it MB or TPTB that demanded the dye job, shave, and the leather jacket?

 

I'm thinking (today, anyway) that since Sonny's allegedly "out of the business," that's being visually shown by his no longer wearing suits. 

But, hey, wardrobe folks, dressing him in a leather jacket so he looks like a hood from the '60s doesn't really indicate upstanding citizen. 

(Will he have a pack of cigarettes in the rolled-up sleeve of his T-shirt if he takes off his jacket?)

I'll stop now: I'm showing my age. 

[Lillybee]

Morgan, if Sonny is not a criminal, what the hell is he? You do know that he murdered your brother's father and left him to bleed out on the floor. You do know that he fucked the woman you loved on AJ's crypt. You do know that he would do anything to keep his power.

Morgan, whatever you think, your father is not a nice, kind or good man. Morgan, you are also lucky that your mother sent you off to military school to keep you away from your father and the life that he leads and puts his kids in danger.

 

Sonny does run guns, it was Todd, whose name can not be mentioned these days who called him out on his gunrunning. Sonny is also involved in gambling, he owns a casino on his island and who knows how many more he owns in the tri state area.

[Pete Martell]

Yah that is kind of weird. They seemed like such close brothers and now they are BOTH overblown with anger at the other, b/c as bad as it is that Morgan wants to frame Michael as a bad dad, it is also not right that Michael is so mad at Morgan for lying to him for like a minute about Sonny killing AJ to the point no one can see Avery but him. It isn't a good look for Michael to be this vindictive to Morgan either.

 

When Morgan came back, didn't he go on for months about how "Mikey" had always gotten everything he always wanted and Mommy and Daddy always loved him best? I always thought they'd go back to that rivalry. I'm sure all will be forgotten in three months. Hell, we're lucky Ron even remembers their names - he could just start calling them "The Porker's Toxic Son" and "Ooh Look At That Ass." 

 

The main writing goal, as with Guza (although with Guza this was more of a priority with Jason than Sonny), is to make sure we remember at all costs that Sonny is the true victim here. 

For sweeps, I envision Michael locking him in a coffin and raging at him for a month via walkie-talkie, Vivian Alamain style.

Edited March 18, 2015 by Pete Martell

[Chairperson Meow]

I miss FonDuke. That guy was a decent bartender and melty.

[sunnyface]

On a show called General Hospital, there are only four regular cast members (Liz, Silas, Lucas and Patrick) that are employed by the hospital.  None of these characters have any major storylines by themselves.  Liz and Patrick exist for the Jason/Sam relationship.  Lucas is barely a regular character and Silas just has not gelled into the show.  They should just rename the show already to the "Corinthos Family Hour". 

Edited March 18, 2015 by sunnyface

[BestestAuntEver]

On a show called General Hospital, there are only four regular cast members (Liz, Silas, Lucas and Patrick) that are employed by the hospital. None of these characters have any major storylines by themselves. Liz and Patrick exist for the Jason/Sam relationship. Lucas is barely a regular character and Silas just has not gelled into the show. They should just rename the show already to the "Corinthos Family Hour".

Lucas is recurring just like Brad. Sadly, Sabrina is on contract thou.

[TeeVee329]

Lucas is recurring just like Brad. Sadly, Sabrina is on contract thou.

 

But Sabrina's no longer a GH employee, she's a nanny.

[Chairperson Meow]

But Sabrina's no longer a GH employee, she's a nanny.

I heard the term was "Professional Child Care Taker", but I hear she may get a promotion; ) *drumroll please*

[Tiger]

Morgan, you are also lucky that your mother sent you off to military school

Carlyle needs to get a refund from that military school, Vandy, and any other educational institution that Morgan attended.

[ulkis]

On a show called General Hospital, there are only four regular cast members (Liz, Silas, Lucas and Patrick) that are employed by the hospital.  None of these characters have any major storylines by themselves.  Liz and Patrick exist for the Jason/Sam relationship.  Lucas is barely a regular character and Silas just has not gelled into the show.  They should just rename the show already to the "Corinthos Family Hour". 

 

However much it may reflect the truth, I would still hate for Sonny to get the title renamed after him, officially.

When Morgan came back, didn't he go on for months about how "Mikey" had always gotten everything he always wanted and Mommy and Daddy always loved him best? I always thought they'd go back to that rivalry. I'm sure all will be forgotten in three months. Hell, we're lucky Ron even remembers their names - he could just start calling them "The Porker's Toxic Son" and "Ooh Look At That Ass."

 

If he actually did call Morgan that I wouldn't be able to blame him to be fair.

 

I wish that would be Morgan's new nickname for Michael. Porker's Toxic Son > Mikey. 

Edited March 18, 2015 by ulkis

[boes]

I think that means a pope shits in the woods, ulkis.

 

And all bears are catholic.  If a bear shits in the woods do catholic popes hear it, I think that's the saying.

 

Or so Morgan told me.....

I'm thinking (today, anyway) that since Sonny's allegedly "out of the business," that's being visually shown by his no longer wearing suits. 

But, hey, wardrobe folks, dressing him in a leather jacket so he looks like a hood from the '60s doesn't really indicate upstanding citizen. 

(Will he have a pack of cigarettes in the rolled-up sleeve of his T-shirt if he takes off his jacket?)

I'll stop now: I'm showing my age. 

 

Don't worry about your age.  I'm thinking of Sonny's.  By now those cigarettes should have been replaced with single-serving packets of metamucil.

[ulkis]

Don't worry about your age.  I'm thinking of Sonny's.  By now those cigarettes should have been replaced with single-serving packets of metamucil.

 

Oh, they have been. Don't you remember that Duke was staying at his house? "What, what is this shit all over the house? All I want is one goddamn towel and the only thing in the bathroom drawers is this orange ice tea crap!"

And all bears are catholic.  If a bear shits in the woods do catholic popes hear it, I think that's the saying.

 

Or so Morgan told me.....

 

I'm pretty sure Morgan does not know what "Catholicism" is. "I'm Catholic? Oh, God, what's a Catholic?? Is Michael a Catholic??"

 

He might have vaguely heard of the pope. "He's, like, a super priest, right?"

Edited March 18, 2015 by ulkis

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Oh, they have been. Don't you remember that Duke was staying at his house? "What, what is this shit all over the house? All I want is one goddamn towel and the only thing in the bathroom drawers is this orange ice tea crap!"

 

Between Duke and his tea and Sonny not being able to find the towels, I'm surprised either of them can get out of the house in the morning.

[ulkis]

He and Kiki were really disgusting, weren't they?  What wastes of space they are.  I'm only hoping their general incompetence stops this from happening.  

If they do, and even worse, if they do something like drugging Michael or getting him drunk on purpose, will Carly back them up?  Will she win another shiny Monster of the Year award?

And this is all so Morgan can hear his dear old dad thank him, and maybe this time, even remember his name.... pathetic.  

 

In character? No. Carly would never support this plan of Morgan's. I don't even really buy her supporting Sonny this hard against Michael, but at least that's Sonny, she's always done that to an extent. Second son? Over Michael, who in her head is Jason's surrogate son? Noooo.

[KerleyQ]

He and Kiki were really disgusting, weren't they?  What wastes of space they are.  I'm only hoping their general incompetence stops this from happening.

 

 

I'm hoping they ask Shawn to help, and it somehow leads to Morgan looking like the drunk. 

[peachmangosteen]

"I'm Catholic? Oh, God, what's a Catholic?? Is Michael a Catholic??"

 

He might have vaguely heard of the pope. "He's, like, a super priest, right?"

 

You truly have Morgan's tone and character down perfectly.

 

In character? No. Carly would never support this plan of Morgan's. I don't even really buy her supporting Sonny this hard against Michael, but at least that's Sonny, she's always done that to an extent. Second son? Over Michael, who in her head is Jason's surrogate son? Noooo.

 

I don't really know enough about Carly to have an opinion on her being in or out of character and, as I've said before, I don't really consider anything OOC because the writing is so bad, but anyway ... It seems clear to me now that in Carly's head she truly believes she's torn between supporting Sonny and Michael. Obviously, that's not actually true, but do you think it would be in character for Carly to convince herself she's torn and not realize (or just outright be lying to herself) she's actually just up Sonny's ass? That's probably too deep and interesting for this regime.

 

Ugh, honestly so many aspects of this story, and really all of them, could truly be very good if the writers were even halfway decent. Sigh.

Edited March 18, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[Bishop]

And I think this is the whole point. It isn't that Michael is wrong it is how smug he seems to be to think he is right and WHEN(not if) something happens to Avery everyone else can say I told ya so.

 

I often wonder if I watch a different show.(no not the one in my head) While Michael might have truth told to Duke HE came up and accosted Duke. Duke really said little and let Michael spout off like a vindictive little prick. 

 

I just don't see how Michael looks that good in all this, 

I didn't see this.  Michael was walkign through the Metrocourt and overheard Duke leaving a message for Sonny about their plans, which confirmed for Michael that he was right that Sonny was lying to the court and the judge that he was not in the business.  He didn't accost Duke.  He certainly confronted him and gave him a piece of his mind, but anyone would have done the same in Michael's shoes.  If my father had helped a man and given him a job and a purpose when he was down on his luck and that same man turned around and gave his killer an alibi, I certainly wouldn't pass up the opportunity to tell off said person to his face.  That's what Michael did, and it was a thing of beauty.  I didn't see smug or a prick.  Michael looks good, imo, because he's right.  The only thing Michael has done is take Avery out of a violent family - and let's face it, they are ALL proving him right.  Sonny and Duke are planning the murder of a cop; Morgan and Kiki are planning on drugging and/or harming Michael to set him up; and Carly is moving another mobster into her house while both sides plot a mob war.  Michael IS the good guy in this.  He took Avery, yes, but from what I'm seeing, he spends every minute with her, and is trying to give her a good life while he builds a legitimate company business.  What are Sonny, Morgan, Kiki, and Carly doing right now?

 

 

A) Morgan and Kaka (we're back to that until she gets her head out of Sonny's butt) don't "have to" do anything. They're adults, chronologically at least, and they don't have to hurt Michael unless they want to. If they want to, it's because they're assholes.

 

B) Let's not act as if "cheating" isn't something Sonny would have done if he had only thought of it before Michael had. Of course, in Sonny's case, that probably would have involved framing the judge for rape, as he did with Jax, or blowing him up with a car bomb. Of course, Sonny is a mob boss, so him cheating is totally allowed. (I've learned to anticipate your defensive strategy. ;-) )

 

C) Of course Michael has to be taken down a few. If he isn't, Sonny might not reign supreme as the good Lord...I mean...MoRon Carvilati has decreed that it should be. Once he has been properly ground underfoot, he will crawl on his hands and knees to kiss Sonny's ring, and then his mouth will replace Morgan's on his "father's" backside.

 

Blech. Blech, blech, blech.

I agree with all of this.  I am actually hoping that Morgan's actions mortify his parents and MAYBE get them to see what their actions have done over the years.  I can see Morgan saying to them "But you did the same thing!"  I would be surprised if it happened, but I would like to see SOME self-awareness on Sonny and Carly's part.  I know, I won't hold my breath.

 

I'm actually happy about Ron's tweets for once because it makes it seem like he's sort of on Michael's side or, at least, in his mind writing the story evenly.  

 

Yeah, those tweets make me happy because Ron seems to be confirming that Michael is NOT a drunk.  I DON'T want Michael AJ'd.  PLEASE!

Yah that is kind of weird. They seemed like such close brothers and now they are BOTH overblown with anger at the other, b/c as bad as it is that Morgan wants to frame Michael as a bad dad, it is also not right that Michael is so mad at Morgan for lying to him for like a minute about Sonny killing AJ to the point no one can see Avery but him. It isn't a good look for Michael to be this vindictive to Morgan either.

I don't see Michael being vindictive.  Frankly, I think Michael would allow Morgan to see Avery considering that he didn't toss Kiki out when she showed up at the Qs.  SHE is the one that got in Michael's face and left on her own.  Michael didn't throw her out or demand she leave or threaten to call the cops.  So when she sees Morgan at Kelly's, she flat out lies to him and says that Michael will never let them see Avery.  Based on what??!  She just saw that Michael DIDN'T toss her out.  The reason Michael is so angry is because Morgan and Kiki constantly get in his face.  Morgan confronted him at Kelly's and punched him.  Now Kiki shows up at the Qs and yells at Michael about Sabrina.  Then she storms out of on her own accord and yet tells Morgan that Michael will never let them see Avery.  WTF??

 

I was defending Morgan for a long time after the AJ secret came out - he DID apologize, and Michael threw it in his face. 

That's not what happened.  I don't ever recall Morgan apologizing to Michael.  I remember him telling Michael that "it was complicated," and as Michael found out that Morgan and Kiki lied about AJ's death, in that same moment, he found out that they had been lying to him about a BUNCH of other stuff.  Michael asked them both.  How long have you been lying to me?  It wasn't one lie that Michael caught them in.  It was several, and Morgan was not sorry.  It was more like "Mikey, I know you're mad, but you need to get over it because it's complicated."  I never heard Morgan sincerely apologize to Michael for hurting him and lying to his face multiple times for Kiki.  Instead, he considered Michael's anger over AJ's murder a "grudge" that he needs to get over.  I don't blame Michael for being mad.

 

And Kiki's attempt at an apology was infuriating because she kept insisting that Michael was just confused and once she explained/reframed things, he would realize she actually didn't do anything wrong and he should apologize to her.

That's one of the most infuriating things about Kiki, which is this idea that she's always right and that when Michael cools down, he's going to realize what a prize she was and how wrong he was for getting mad at her.  Yeah, that still hasn't happened, sweetie.  I think I do like this more evil version of Kiki because at least the writing isn't trying to make her sympathetic anymore.  I've hated her since she showed up, but now I can hate her with abandon.  You know what else is nuts about Kiki?  She is mad at Sabrina for drugging her mother, which almost caused her to miscarry, but Kiki is fine with the murders her mother and Sonny committed and she is now plotting with Morgan to drug Michael.  (I can't see any other way for them to make Michael look drunk, if he's not drinking, unless they drug him.)  So Kiki is doing exactly as bad as her mother and/or Sabrina, but she can't see that it's bad.  As we all know, Kiki is always right.  NOT.

[ulkis]

I don't really know enough about Carly to have an opinion on her being in or out of character and, as I've said before, I don't really consider anything OOC because the writing is so bad, but anyway ... It seems clear to me now that in Carly's head she truly believes she's torn between supporting Sonny and Michael. Obviously, that's not actually true, but do you think it would be in character for Carly to convince herself she's torn and not realize (or just outright be lying to herself) she's actually just up Sonny's ass? 

 

Yeah I do actually. But I don't think Carly would reach that delusional level for Morgan, at least not when it comes to him over Michael. She has ever actually tried to get Michael to reconcile with Morgan? Or has she? Or pushed harder for Morgan to go to and apologize to Michael and try to save thier relationship even if it means cutting off ties with Sonny and Carly (which even Sonny was thoughtful enough to do with him and Carly - he told Carly to tell Michael that she cut off ties with Sonny and to save her relationship with Michael.) I actually think Carly has had a lot of nice scenes with Morgan, but I can't picture her approving this at all. And actually, I think she would be horrified to see history repeating itself, to see Morgan do what she did with AJ when she was young.

I'm hoping they ask Shawn to help, and it somehow leads to Morgan looking like the drunk. 

 

All of Morgan's head bobbing and hand waving should help out with that.

 

I think the way they're gonna frame Michael for alcoholism is, every time he takes a drink now we'll hear an ominous note of music. Pan to Morgan hiding in a corner with an accordion, playing a single key every time Michael takes a sip.

Edited March 18, 2015 by ulkis

[peachmangosteen]

The only thing Michael has done is take Avery out of a violent family - and let's face it, they are ALL proving him right.  Sonny and Duke are planning the murder of a cop; Morgan and Kiki are planning on drugging and/or harming Michael to set him up; and Carly is moving another mobster into her house while both sides plot a mob war.  Michael IS the good guy in this.

Great points. Honestly, TPTB are actually doing a great job of showing just how awful Sonny and co. are and just how right and justified Michael is. But I still just can't believe that's what they really want us to see. Mostly just because of history, but also because they still won't let anyone really support Michael yet they continue to have everyone bend over backwards to explain how much Sonny deserves his child. Sigh.

Edited March 18, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[TeeVee329]

I think I do like this more evil version of Kiki because at least the writing isn't trying to make her sympathetic anymore.

 

The writers don't think Kiki is being evil (neither apparently does Hayley Erin), but I'd be on board for Kiki full-on manipulating Morgan, that's why I was wondering if she told him that she wanted custody for herself.  Imagine Morgan starting to waver and Kiki seducing him into keeping this mission against Michael on track.  That'd be so much better than Morgs and Keeks falling back in lurv while they plot to destroy a man they both claimed to love.

Edited March 18, 2015 by TeeVee329

[peachmangosteen]

I think the way they're gonna frame Michael for alcoholism is, every time he takes a drink now we'll hear an ominous note of music. Pan to Morgan hiding in a corner with an accordion, playing a single key every time Michael takes a sip.

 

I'll allow it.

[ulkis]

The writers don't think Kiki is being evil (neither apparently does Hayley Erin), but I'd be on board for Kiki full-on manipulating Morgan, that's why I was wondering if she told him that she wanted custody for herself.  Imagine Morgan starting to waver and Kiki seducing him into keeping this mission against Michael on track.  That'd be so much better than Morgs and Keeks falling back in lurv while they plot to destroy a man they both claimed to love.

 

Well, to be fair, I don't think Kiki is nearly anywhere near evil territory either. Your idea is awesome though. And that would be very Morgan to just latch on like that.

I'll allow it.

 

Can't you just imagine Morgan's frowny face of concentration, his knees slightly bent as he's playing? I need it now.

[peachmangosteen]

Can't you just imagine Morgan's frowny face of concentration, his knees slightly bent as he's playing? I need it now.

 

I'm gonna be so disappointed now if that doesn't happen. Oh well, it will in the show in my head at least!

 

The promo for this week cracks me up because at the end it says something about how shocked we'll be by 'today's final minutes!' and it says that every day. LOL. 

Edited March 18, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[dubbel zout]

He might have vaguely heard of the pope. "He's, like, a super priest, right?"

 

"He's Olivia Pope's dad, right? I love that show!"

 

I think she would be horrified to see history repeating itself, to see Morgan do what she did with AJ when she was young.

 

I agree. Carly hasn't done enough to reconcile Michael and Morgan, but on the other hand, it's up to the brothers to do that. But I can't imagine Carly would approve of Morgan trying to set up Michael in this way. It would be one thing if Morgan wanted to out Michael as some sort of hypocrite, but setting him up as an alcoholic is going too far. Carly's not going to let one son ruin another that way.

Edited March 18, 2015 by dubbel zout

[TeeVee329]

I think she would be horrified to see history repeating itself, to see Morgan do what she did with AJ when she was young.

 

And that could be a great moment for Carly to FINALLY show some self-awareness and/or remorse that Laura Wright could absolutely sell.

 

In other news, Ron is all bent out of shape on Twitter that people "misread" the juxtaposition of Morgan/Kiki planning to frame Michel as an alcoholic with Michael having a drink with the baby in a bar.

Edited March 18, 2015 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

In other news, Ron is all bent out of shape on Twitter that people "misread" the juxtaposition of Morgan/Kiki planning to frame Michel as an alcoholic with Michael having a drink with the baby in a bar.

 

LOL. Because that cut was entirely innocent. Oh, Ron.

[Harmony233]

In the old days kiki and morgans scheme would backfire or they would be found out and be the town pariahs for awhile but since carly did te same thing and got away with it not holding my breath here either lol.

[testardo]

I cannot believe I watched  today, when suddenly I realized Re-Ron has returned. Michael all of a sudden is a drunk ,and they have to give AJ back to the mumbling mooobster. I shut the show off. Does Re-Ron have any ideas of his own. Stick a fork in me, I'm done. I was hoping to enjoy a little of Michael winning and Sonny getting a little what comes around go's around. But ? Duke has been turned into a complete idiot. Morgan and Kiki are a real pair. Little AJ is safe ,and they are plotting. I hope they get her back ,some of Sonny's enemies blow her up, no one should have to grow up with two murderers for parents, and two mobs for family. !

[sunnyface]

"He's Olivia Pope's dad, right? I love that show!"

 

By now those cigarettes should have been replaced with single-serving packets of metamucil.

 

Huge smile of appreciation for y'all!

[testardo]

Yeah I do actually. But I don't think Carly would reach that delusional level for Morgan, at least not when it comes to him over Michael. She has ever actually tried to get Michael to reconcile with Morgan? Or has she? Or pushed harder for Morgan to go to and apologize to Michael and try to save thier relationship even if it means cutting off ties with Sonny and Carly (which even Sonny was thoughtful enough to do with him and Carly - he told Carly to tell Michael that she cut off ties with Sonny and to save her relationship with Michael.) I actually think Carly has had a lot of nice scenes with Morgan, but I can't picture her approving this at all. And actually, I think she would be horrified to see history repeating itself, to see Morgan do what she did with AJ when she was young.

 

All of Morgan's head bobbing and hand waving should help out with that.

 

I think the way they're gonna frame Michael for alcoholism is, every time he takes a drink now we'll hear an ominous note of music. Pan to Morgan hiding in a corner with an accordion, playing a single key every time Michael takes a sip.

 

 

I don't think Carley  would care. She never thought she did anything wrong to AJ. She never thought she was guilty of anything. She wanted it her way ,so she thought she was right. She might even give them the laundry cart to dump Michael in, and provide the booze. Carley never , until she took Morgan from Sonny and sent him to Military school under an assumed name cared what she did to Michael. Raising him in a mob home, with a mobster. Plus what Sonny did to Jax. .   Carley is for Carley first and foremost, always has been Michael was a means to an end, to get Tony. when AJ got in the way ,friend or not it was off with his head. Michael will now be an alcoholic and we know that's WORST THAN A KILLER. CArley is every bit as evil as Sonny !

[Turtle]

Fucking please.

And we have a new t-shirt slogan!

[Chairperson Meow]

The online GH merchandise store is booming. We can almost afford sets without gray paint.

[tricknasty]

Is that a reddish/brown henna rinse Sonny's sporting lately?  Shoe polish = Mob Boss. Henna rinse = Regular Joe. Got it

[thewhiteowl]

I don't think Carley  would care. She never thought she did anything wrong to AJ. She never thought she was guilty of anything. She wanted it her way ,so she thought she was right. She might even give them the laundry cart to dump Michael in, and provide the booze. Carley never , until she took Morgan from Sonny and sent him to Military school under an assumed name cared what she did to Michael. Raising him in a mob home, with a mobster. Plus what Sonny did to Jax. .   Carley is for Carley first and foremost, always has been Michael was a means to an end, to get Tony. when AJ got in the way ,friend or not it was off with his head. Michael will now be an alcoholic and we know that's WORST THAN A KILLER. CArley is every bit as evil as Sonny !

 

 I agree with this. Michael's stock is devalued since Jason's death. He is no longer something she can use to manipulate Jason so he's fairly worthless to her. If Jake regains his memories I would imagine Carly to have some explaining to do as far as her treatment of Michael. At least, I would hope...

[Francie]

So now I think that Ian Buchannan was thinking "Why did I come back to play a character who's been reduced to a one-dimensional cartoon?"

 

I think when Ian Buchanan thinks about GH nowadays, the extent of his thinking is, "Did the check clear?  When's the next one coming?  Should I use it toward a trip to Spain or a trip to Rome?  Will I be out today by lunch? That would be lovely."

LOL. Because that cut was entirely innocent. Oh, Ron.

I believe that's called being too clever for one's own good.

Edited March 18, 2015 by Francie

[tvgoddess]

Are we actually supposed to be cheering when Morgan douchily declares, with Kiki looking on adoringly, that he's going to make Michael look like a bigger drunk than AJ?  It's seriously disgusting.

 

Here's my two cents. I actually think Ron thinks he is giving the audience exactly what they want (hear me out). This is a classic example of "be careful what you wish for." A vast majority of people said that Morgan had gotten boring, that he doesn't do anything. Well, now he's finally doing something. This is his "plan", not Kiki's, he was the one who came up with it. And everyone's complaints about Kiki (besides the fact that she still exists), was that she needed to be more scheming and devious, like her mother. She was ill-defined when KA played her. Now it seems like she's an all-in Jerome. KA maybe had one scene with Julian the entire time she was there, if that. The smile at the end was ill-advised, but if she turns from the ingenue into a vixen I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

 

The fact that this plotting and scheming is against poor little sainted Michael is why everyone is upset. If it had been against anyone else, they'd probably be cheered. You can look at this in one of two ways: 1) either they are not smart enough to mount such an attack on Michael, and it backfires, or 2) they aren't smart enough, but they are devious or pissed off enough to do it. 

 

Why they have put these two back into each other's orbit is beyond me, or why has Morgan not been considered good enough to cast a decent love interest for him if they aren't going to put him back with Ava. There is no other place really for either of them to go. And they need a storyline, although this is a lousy one that will just make everyone else (I'm still waiting to see how it plays out) that watches hate both of them even more than they already do. I don't know one viewer, except maybe those ridiculous FB Sonny proppers, that like Morgan or Kiki. Most actively despise them.

 

Really hard to watch for someone who once thought of Morgan as my second favorite character.

[Chairperson Meow]

I should have known Morgan was garbage when he folded after barely grazing Max. It's Max! Who cares? I've seen so many damn bullets fly by these idiot mobsters and the only person they kill is the character I was mega excited for. So none of them beyond Micheal Quartermaine and whatever Billy Miller is playing have my loyalty.

[ulkis]

The fact that this plotting and scheming is against poor little sainted Michael is why everyone is upset. If it had been against anyone else, they'd probably be cheered. You can look at this in one of two ways: 1) either they are not smart enough to mount such an attack on Michael, and it backfires, or 2) they aren't smart enough, but they are devious or pissed off enough to do it. 

 

I think if it were against Sonny, people would cheer. Here, at least. But it's a pretty mean scheme to do in general to anyone else. I just wish Morgan was showing a little more nuance.

 

Why they have put these two back into each other's orbit is beyond me, or why has Morgan not been considered good enough to cast a decent love interest for him if they aren't going to put him back with Ava.

 

I'm gonna post my thoughts on this in the press/media section, because it has to do with Bryan Craig.

[Lillybee]

I thought that the way Sonny was dressed in a black tee and leather jacket was a homage to his beloved "dead" hitman.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

The fact that this plotting and scheming is against poor little sainted Michael is why everyone is upset. If it had been against anyone else, they'd probably be cheered. You can look at this in one of two ways: 1) either they are not smart enough to mount such an attack on Michael, and it backfires, or 2) they aren't smart enough, but they are devious or pissed off enough to do it. 

 

FWIW, I don't think Michael is a saint, either a little or a big one. The main reason I'm pulling for him at all is because he finally woke up and smelled the stank about his so-called father. Scummy did a chickenshit thing when he killed AJ, and he barely paid for it because he "saved the life" of some dayplayer chick I give no fucks for. If Ivy hadn't been the Governor's daughter, there would have been no pardon. Because apparently one kinda-sorta-not really good thing cancels out coldblooded murder. To reiterate, Michael is no saint.

 

But.

 

To watch Morgan and Kaka plan to use AJ's drinking problem against Michael as a way to help Sonny win makes my stomach knot up. Alcoholism is not fucking genetic, Ron. Yes, the chances that the child of an alcoholic might drink exist, but it isn't bred into their damn DNA. I should know, and using that logic, you could also say that Sonny was inclined to lock his own kids in a closet if they made him mad enough, since fuck knows we've heard that story eleventy billion times. I wonder what made him genetically inclined to be a mobster?

 

I cannot imagine what Bryan Craig must think of this crap right now. As was mentioned upthread, both he and Morgan have a fair amount of potential, and its just being wasted in the most disrespectful way. Is this to serve Maurice's ego, since I'm pretty sure this storyline is yet another way to restore the status quo of Sonny as the bestest ever? Is it to serve Ron's ego, that he can write whatever horseshit he wants to and if we don't like it, we're whiny piss-babies? The idea that he thinks this is actually a good story leaves me boggled, but knowing Ron, that's probably exactly what he thinks.

 

In sum, I hope Michael burns his "family" to the ground, and while he's at it I hope he arranges it so that Kaka gets caught in the crossfire. They are wastes of carbon. Even Morgan, which makes me sad.

[kassa]

In other news, Ron is all bent out of shape on Twitter that people "misread" the juxtaposition of Morgan/Kiki planning to frame Michel as an alcoholic with Michael having a drink with the baby in a bar.

 

They've been dropping anvils about Michael's drinking long before Morgan came up with his brilliant plan.  Going back the last few weeks , multiple times Michael has stormed over to the Quartermaine bar, poured himself a drink, and slammed it down.  Sometimes he's the only one in the room (either somebody just left who pissed him off, he has just hung up the phone from being pissed off, or somebody is about to walk in).  These are carefully scripted, blocked, and shot scenes, and they've been laying a trail.

 

Not necessarily to say he is an alcoholic, but maybe just to get a bunch of characters who love and support him, but couldn't possibly tell a lie in court to testify that he drinks regularly.  I can see Sabrina wringing her hands -- "I don't want the baby going to Sonny, but... I saw what I saw!  Oh, whatever will I dooooooooo?"

[OnceSane]

I agree with this. Michael's stock is devalued since Jason's death. He is no longer something she can use to manipulate Jason so he's fairly worthless to her. If Jake regains his memories I would imagine Carly to have some explaining to do as far as her treatment of Michael. At least, I would hope...

Jake is already so far up Carly's butt that I'm sure he'll tell Michael to get over it. AJ was fat, he didn't deserve to live.

[magnolia11]

Jake is already so far up Carly's butt that I'm sure he'll tell Michael to get over it. AJ was fat, he didn't deserve to live.

 

I wish so much that, much like Jake said that Sam "wasn't his type," he would have found Carly to be a shrieking harpy and been repulsed by her/wanted to run away from her instead of predictably being up her butt.  That would have been SO much more fun.

[Bishop]

Great points. Honestly, TPTB are actually doing a great job of showing just how awful Sonny and co. are and just how right and justified Michael is. But I still just can't believe that's what they really want us to see. Mostly just because of history, but also because they still won't let anyone really support Michael yet they continue to have everyone bend over backwards to explain how much Sonny deserves his child. Sigh.

Yeah, it is curious why Michael is still an island unto himself in this story with no allies and no one to talk to except that every-now-and-then scene with Tracey.  

 

The writers don't think Kiki is being evil (neither apparently does Hayley Erin), but I'd be on board for Kiki full-on manipulating Morgan, that's why I was wondering if she told him that she wanted custody for herself.  Imagine Morgan starting to waver and Kiki seducing him into keeping this mission against Michael on track.  That'd be so much better than Morgs and Keeks falling back in lurv while they plot to destroy a man they both claimed to love.

I like the idea of a scheming and evil Kiki.

 

Here's my two cents. I actually think Ron thinks he is giving the audience exactly what they want (hear me out). This is a classic example of "be careful what you wish for." A vast majority of people said that Morgan had gotten boring, that he doesn't do anything. Well, now he's finally doing something. This is his "plan", not Kiki's, he was the one who came up with it. And everyone's complaints about Kiki (besides the fact that she still exists), was that she needed to be more scheming and devious, like her mother. She was ill-defined when KA played her. Now it seems like she's an all-in Jerome. KA maybe had one scene with Julian the entire time she was there, if that. The smile at the end was ill-advised, but if she turns from the ingenue into a vixen I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

 

I agree.  I can at least buy that Kiki would side with the Jeromes.  I never bought that she was a friend to everyone (Franco, Michael, Morgan, Silas, Ava, etc) after being raised to be a grifter by her mother.  Let's face it - Ava put her up to luring in Morgan and setting him up on the gambling website.  Kiki was never suppose to be a good person, and then suddenly RC tried to recapture the Michael/Starr redux (and Michael and Starr were never a good couple btw - Michael was better with Brenda, frankly).  So watching her pit two brothers against each other and Carly never saying boo to her made me want to scratch my eyes out.  Throw in her siding with Franco over Michael and that Michael should THANK her for it, I wanted to give Kiki a lobotomy.  At least now I can hate her and there are really well defined reasons to hate her that follows with the storyline.  Morgan and Kiki just got interesting.

 

The fact that this plotting and scheming is against poor little sainted Michael is why everyone is upset.

 

No, it's not because it's against "sainted" Michael.  It's becaues Morgan is planning to HARM his brother physically.  I would feel the same way if Morgan was targeting Dante.  You don't hurt your brother, and certainly not with drugs or alcohol because you want to prove HE'S the unfit parent.  Hello??  Do these two have any sense of irony?  

 

If it had been against anyone else, they'd probably be cheered.

 

Not me.  I can't think of a single person I'd be pleased abuot that got drugged and manipulated because even if I hated the character, it would garner sympathy for that character.  MOrgan and Kiki don't look good because their motives are horrible, and it's truly only about revenge.  Sonny has already moved on to getting in Jake's face and marking Carly as "his."  Is Sonny spending ANY time thinking about getting Avery back?  No, he's left it up to Ric and the courts.  Morgan and Kiki are just inserting themselves because Kiki is pissed, and Morgan wants to please her. That's what I'm seeing here.

 

You can look at this in one of two ways: 1) either they are not smart enough to mount such an attack on Michael, and it backfires, or 2) they aren't smart enough, but they are devious or pissed off enough to do it.

 

 

It's easy enough to pull off.  I mean it doesn't require geniuses.  All they have to do is follow Michael to a public place like Kelly's or the Metro Court where he may order a drink, then one distracts him, and the other slips him a drug, and then watch as he unravels publicly.  

 

Why they have put these two back into each other's orbit is beyond me, or why has Morgan not been considered good enough to cast a decent love interest for him if they aren't going to put him back with Ava.

 

I thought Ava and Morgan got very silly after a while.  He was more the dumb boy toy that she pulled out and he strutted around shirtless.  I never saw those two in love, and their "chemistry" wore off pretty quickly for me.  I do agree that Morgan is wasted with Kiki, but that's because she's just evil, and he can't seem to see it.

 

I still love Morgan.  I don't despise him as a character.  I still hate Kiki - that hasn't changed since she first opened the door and declared her name was KEE-KEE.  I've loathed her every since.  Frankly, I can trace all the animosity and poor behavior between Michael and Morgan back to Kiki.  She is the albatross that needs to go.  Morgan can stay.