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Anyway, the reason I bring that up, is, unless you've already done so.. how about a fic about Elle and Reid over this issue?  :)  While I'm not a Reid/Elle or Reid/Prentiss or Reid/JJ shipper per se, where it's romance, I would certainly adore a 'this is what friends really are' type story. (Attention anyone! I'm looking for Reid fic that falls into this sort of category, if you have any, please lemme know)

 

It took me a while, but this is what I finally came up with. It might not be entirely what tyou had in mind, and I'm not fully satisfied with it, but being able to write anything is better than not being able to write. :-)

 

http://archiveofourown.org/works/5222294

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and the muse is in full bloom....

 

I'm in the middle of writing another longer story, trying to meld Reid's personal story with the crime story I have and decided to take a break from it yesterday.

 

Instead, the mind conjured up Reid returning home very late after a very long day.... and this is the result (and unlike the previous story, this one got an M rating)

 

http://archiveofourown.org/works/5226269

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ReidFan, it's not public, so I can't read it. Wah.

I'm sorry Normasm.... I'll check the settings to see what I screwed up O:-)  (that's just so me! messing it up!)

 

okay, I had it set to members only cause I'm really kind of paranoid about sharing stuff with the whole world, but my 'real' name isn't on it anywhere, so I'm okay.... I changed the settings on both stories there to public so you should be able to read Love and Family now too (hint hint :-P  )

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another one I've been sitting on for a while, trying to decide whether to let it stand alone or incorporate it into a longer story. Stand alone won. Reid's 'first time' rated M for obvious reasons

 

http://archiveofourown.org/works/5251055

 

or if you prefer ffnet:

 

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11625088/1/The-First-Time

 

If I can make a very small suggestion, could you put both names of the characters in your heading? It doesn't matter to me so much, because I know who they are, but a newcomer to your stories might not, and so might pass them by out of unfamiliarity. CM is a decent sized fandonm, but in comparison to something like Harry Potter, its pretty small. You're doing a great job with the writing, though, so keep it up. :-)

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If I can make a very small suggestion, could you put both names of the characters in your heading? It doesn't matter to me so much, because I know who they are, but a newcomer to your stories might not, and so might pass them by out of unfamiliarity. CM is a decent sized fandonm, but in comparison to something like Harry Potter, its pretty small. You're doing a great job with the writing, though, so keep it up. :-)

I'd love to, :-(  but my problem,  CStar, is that Loker is not one of the options in the listed characters :-( I wrote in that it's her in the ones where it most definitely IS her, but it's also 'unspecified female' in a few of my stories so the reader can pretend it's her.

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AO3 let me do that, Reid/Loker actually comes up as an option now. But I must be doing something seriously wrong at ffnet. Loker's not an option, Unspecified is not an option. I've posted four stories in just over a week, and only one of them is listed under the 'new stories' for CM.... 

 

oh well......

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Excellent work, ReidFan. I look forward to more. The only character I shipped Spencer with was with Elle because they had an established relationship and I sensed a certain spark between them. To this day I know Spencer lost his V-card to her, and CoStar has the proof!!!

 

I would have shipped Reid with Loker (especially since she's a fellow redhead), but she disappeared into the ether because apparently Reid is lady repellent to stupid-ass MESSer!

 

I do play out fan fiction in my head (basing Spencer's lady love on me, of course, because I am a selfish whore), but I haven't had time to really write it. And most of my writing is non-fiction. Perhaps, I should shake things up a bit. If anyone wants to offer me advice, please feel free.

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it feels good knowing exactly what fic sparked this lol

 

I personally don't mind it as long as you tag it a T or above if you're on ff.net, where there are more young kids. AO3 has been the porn-y fanfiction website since when ff.net kept purging all the M+ rated fics so I generally don't give a damn there, but if you rate your profanity-laden fic as a K+ on ff.net you can bet I'm leaving a passive-aggressive review.

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At the risk of sounding like the sterotypical grandma, why do some fanfictions have so much profanity?!

you'll never see the f word, the c words or any vulgar terms in any of my fiction. I try desperately to stay in 'parallel canon'. If they don't say a particular word in the film/tv show/book (original work I suppose) you won't see it in my stories either. In fact, although I use it freely in real life, nothing turns me off faster reading a fanfic than to see the f word in a world (Harry Potter, Star Trek, Criminal Minds etc) where it's never used. Except maybe for non canon pairings that just aren't feasible. :)

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I don't think there should be a hard and fast rule against profanity. It should just be used appropriately- I.e., only with characters for whom you would expect them to swear and only in situations where they would.

I'd probably agree...Harry Potter wouldn't likely swear (although I've seen more than a few mouthly 11-year-olds). Same would probably go for Spongebob or the Powderpuff Girls, because it would just seem too...weird.

Our CM gang...well, if they were in “the real world”, I'd say they'd probably swear quite a bit. Law enforcement officers are a stressed bunch, and stress tends to bring out the worst in us- including forgetting our manners and dropping f-bombs. I don't think the team would be uniform in their willingness to swear. If I could make a list from most to least, I'd probably say it looks like this:

1. Morgan (former sports player)

2. Prentiss (just based on Paget Brewster's delivery)

3. Garcia (she's already salacious with Morgan and didn't have the awareness to control herself in front of Strauss)

4. Rossi (he's already snarky)

5. Elle (she was the snark queen until Rossi became the snark king)

6. JJ 2.0 (being on the “front lines” will do this)

7. Reid (wouldn't be common but he's known to be emotional at times)

8. Gideon (only in moments of stress, but they happened a lot)

9. Hotch (See above)

10. JJ 1.0 (since she's a media liaison she's likely “trained” herself in professional communication, so f-bombs just wouldn't come naturally for her. She'd only swear in private)

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I generally think Reid would be the least likely to swear, and not just because he's a precious flower. I just see him as supremely erudite and unwilling to express himself that way, and MGG has said he is a throwback to another era (although I know MGG hImself doesn't have those same compunctions).

While I think perhaps Reid could surprise the team in many ways, I just don't think he would be one to curse, and if he did, perhaps he would do it in a different language. Same with Blake, although I see the short-termers didn't make your list. Otherwise, I'm pretty much in agreement, especially with Rossi -- since I think Rossi drinks a lot of neat double Scotches that loosen his tongue. :-)

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The only time I can recall Spencer using salty language was when Morgan messed with his phone calls and Spencer claimed, "Son of a bitch!" I did crack up a bit at that, mostly due to Matthew's delivery.

 

But no, I don't think Spencer is a big time curser, only at moments of extreme stress or when he's feeling quite at the end of his tether can I imagine him dropping a couple of f-bombs.

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The only time I can recall Spencer using salty language was when Morgan messed with his phone calls and Spencer claimed, "Son of a bitch!" I did crack up a bit at that, mostly due to Matthew's delivery.

 

But no, I don't think Spencer is a big time curser, only at moments of extreme stress or when he's feeling quite at the end of his tether can I imagine him dropping a couple of f-bombs.

...and I do remember him yelling, "Where the hell are the medics?!" when he was holding pressure on Nathan Harris's wrists in "Sex, Birth and Death." I can easily picture him talking like that occasionally, but again, only under extreme duress.

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At the risk of sounding like the sterotypical grandma, why do some fanfictions have so much profanity?!

 

 

it feels good knowing exactly what fic sparked this lol

 

I personally don't mind it as long as you tag it a T or above if you're on ff.net, where there are more young kids. AO3 has been the porn-y fanfiction website since when ff.net kept purging all the M+ rated fics so I generally don't give a damn there, but if you rate your profanity-laden fic as a K+ on ff.net you can bet I'm leaving a passive-aggressive review.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't know how much swearing is excessive swearing. Considering the kind of work the characters do, and the sort of people they meet doing that work, I think if the show was on Showtime or something, they'd be cursing up a storm all the time. Yes, they're professionals, and Reid in particular seems the least likely to drop a F bomb just because, but OTOH the running theme of how they see the worst of what humans are capable of doing to each other seems like enough reason for a little profanity.

 

As for my own stories, since I mostly write 'adult-themed' works, I stick to AO3 for posting. No offense to the fine folks who use FF.net for their writing, but the site's past policy of deciding what they think is dirty and what isn't, as opposed to letting readers pick and choose what they'd like to read, is annoying, IMO. I'm an adult, and if you're reading my work, I try to put up proper tags so people know what they're getting into when they click.

 

I mean that less meanly that it likely sounds, and I'm not saying the characters should talk like they're on an episode of (cocksucking) Deadwood. But considering the stress I'd be under doing that kind of work, their language is a lot cleaner than mine would be. :-)

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I'm finding this whole conversation fascinating.  There seems to be a pervading belief that stress must be relieved with profanity, so there is an assumption that it must be a natural part of the vocabulary of those in stressful occupations.  

 

That has simply not been my experience, working in one of those occupations.  People manage to express themselves in other ways, And it's not generational.  In our medical training program, swearing is enough to bring one up for review, because it's so unusual to hear it, either inside or outside of the professional situation.  And, believe me, there are plenty of stressful, scary, sad and even dangerous situations.  Those who resort to it are often suffering from emotional maladaption to the situation they're in.  It's a sign that they need help.  So, it happens, but it's not a given.  

 

I think, used as above, it has its place in the arts.  But, all too often, in the entertainment world, foul language is touted as 'adult', and marketed as something desirable.  Something 'sophisticated' or 'mature'.  

 

To my eye and ear, it's just a sign of a vocabulary that is greatly in need of expansion.  There are better, clearer, and more accurate ways to express oneself..

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...and then, there's The Trailer Park Boys who make swearing into an art. :)

I think the key difference in the law enforcement world is that LEOs are required to deal with people whose vocabulary isn't all that expansive, as well as the fact that- to my knowledge- until recently police officers didn't need to get past a high school level of education. Furthermore, LEOs are required to know the street lingo of their day and place, because knowing it means they can converse with those on the street and understand better when crimes are taking place.

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These are two different things, Danielg.  

 

Being able to communicate on the street---or even in the doctor's office----does, indeed, require the professional to understand, and sometimes speak, 'street lingo'.  But four letter words aren't inherent to the lingo.  They're the 'enhancements'.  Even in such conversations, they are unnecessary.  It's remarkable how quickly they can disappear from someone's vocabulary, when they need to.

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The use of the F word in Canada..... google 'bowser and blue' and listen to it. O:-)  It's the truth. We Canadians use the f word as a verb, a noun, an adjective etc.

My husband is a cop. And yes, they use that and worse words. But in the situation where it's called for. He routinely punished our children for using 'salty' language as kids. There's a place for it, and there's a place for it NOT to be.  Personally, I just don't like seeing it in stories.

 

And I'm reminded of that hilarious scene in 'Blood Relations' where Reid is reading off his files about the two families: "Then, in 2011, Matthias Lee filed a civil complaint against Clark Howard "to kiss his ass." Clark Howard responded with a motion to go f..... You can't actually do that with the male anatomy."

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Out of the entire BAU crew, I can imagine Rossi swearing the most with Morgan coming in second. I can't imagine Spencer swearing a great deal, not because he is an uptight pearl clutcher but because there is something very gentlemanly and courtly about him. This, along with his deep empathy and kindness, is why I like him so much. He seems like the type to open doors for women (and not just women he finds attractive), get on an elevator first, help a lady with her coat and for those of us on the petite side, reach on high shelves to get something we can't.

 

As for Spencer in the boudoir? Well, he might get a bit naughty when it comes to language, but I can't imagine him being totally vulgar and gross. And what he lacks in experience, he makes up for in curiosity.

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I think, used as above, it has its place in the arts.  But, all too often, in the entertainment world, foul language is touted as 'adult', and marketed as something desirable.  Something 'sophisticated' or 'mature'.  

 

To my eye and ear, it's just a sign of a vocabulary that is greatly in need of expansion.  There are better, clearer, and more accurate ways to express oneself..

 

In the movie Burn After Reading (see it if you haven't), John Malkovich and Brad Pitt both use the word 'fuck' in various forms all through the film. John plays an analyst for the CIA, and Brad portrays a trainer at a high-end gym. That they both choose that particular word to express themselves is because John's character always seems thisclose to having a full-on flip out, and Brad's because he's too dense to pick another option. So I think as far as entertainment goes, there can be exceptions where an F bomb explosion is acceptable.

 

Most of the reason I think cursing has to do with stress is becaise I know what my stress level is like when it comes to work, and I've got an office job. I can't imagine having to deal with a guy like Dahmer, or even his fictional counterpart.

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I'll say this- I'm not the kind of guy who mixes swear words into his regular vocabulary. I'm a learned man, so I learned how to express myself without a curse word.

However, I work in a factory. Full of people who, to put it mildly, are not “learned” people. They're rude, crude and inappropriate many times, with some people espousing views that I had thought in the 21st century we'd gotten rid of. For many of these people, their vocabulary and their ability to express themselves is limited.

Thus, I hear a lot of f-bombs, and, being a product of my environment, I've picked up a few in my speech, especially inside the factory.

So when it comes to the police- at least at the “front lines”- I see them as too, “products of their environment”. Police officers have to be able to have rapport with the people of the community they're tasked to work with, and if that community is a poorly educated one, more than likely the police officers are going to pick up some salty language- it's unavoidable. Certainly a police officer going undercover to infiltrate a drug ring has to be able to talk to converse with those inside the ring, and the undercover officer can't do that if the officer can't “speak at their level”.

Thus, I see it as a case of the police having to deal with the “lowest of the low” on a regular basis- they're going to pick up some choice words, whether it was their choice or not.

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I don't know, Danielg.  I grew up in an NYPD household, and was surrounded by cops (not with my hands up!) much of the time.  Can't say that it infiltrated their language.

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I think some people pick up the language of their environment more readily than others. For example, I know I very easily pick up on phrases that I hear others say repeatedly, and then it can sometimes be very hard to shake those habits. It's gotten to the point where when I meet someone new and notice that they have a phrase that they say a lot (e.g. "darn it all" or "i agree" or anything really) I have to make a conscious effort right from the get-go to NOT start using those phrases. But I know that not everyone picks up on others' language so easily.

 

I usually have good control of my language, but I do swear in the occasional situations where it is genuinely the best word I can think of to describe something (and then I can censor myself if the situation requires), or if something goes wrong - and not necessarily something major - it's often out of my mouth before my brain catches up. For example, if I do something wrong in an experiment, mess up the printing settings and waste a bunch of paper, etc.

 

I can't imagine using it much while writing though, since generally I can censor myself, and I don't find writing (or reading) swear words to have nearly the same effect as saying them.

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I think there's always a better option than swearing. I swear occasionally in writing, like on a forum, not necessarily very much, but I don't swear IRL, generally. Maybe that's weird. I sort of think there is a foxhole-type mentality, and in moments of extreme stress, people will say things they wouldn't normally, and I generally give them a pass.

There are movies sometimes where there is swearing and it is sort of fitting, for whatever reason. And then there are movies I turn off after five minutes because of the language. I just don't want to subject my ears to it. If someone is in a highly-emotional state and says, "Damn," I hardly bat an eyelash. But calling someone a c*** in everyday conversation, for example, makes my skin crawl. And as a Christian, I really bristle at J**** C***** and G**d***. I just don't like to hear it. My personal preference.

I'm a nurse, and I'm stunned and amazed at the language I hear at work. I think I'm sheltered, because some of it is truly shocking. That said, if the wrong (right?) people hear you swear at my hospital, you are fired, point-blank. I cop to belting out a "Shit!" on occasion, say during a code when we are trying to get IV access on the patient but cannot.

I never say never, personally, because I always prove myself wrong,

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Swearing- like its literary type cousins violence and sex- is an important story choice to consider and examine fully. There are far too many authors that will wantonly apply swear words- or mangle things so badly to avoid using them- so I think an in-depth discussion is necessary. After all, this is still a thread about story-writing.

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Oh wow, my question seemed to have generated a lot of discussion. Oops. I didn't mean to have everyone talk about why they swear in real life. To clarify, I just meant to do a tiny rant that might get liked by someone but never discussed. It's like reverse psychology, well, not really, but I think you know what I mean. If I post something that I want people to pay attention to, it might get one like. Post something that doesn't mean anything, accidentally creates discussion. I'm terrible at this.

On the contrary, qwerty, never apologize for generating civilized discourse, conversation, and even argument. It provoked discussion because we find it an interesting topic! So, you are good at it!

Well, I screwed up this reply, because I'm on my iPad, sorry!

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Oh wow, my question seemed to have generated a lot of discussion. Oops. I didn't mean to have everyone talk about why they swear in real life. To clarify, I just meant to do a tiny rant that might get liked by someone but never discussed. It's like reverse psychology, well, not really, but I think you know what I mean. If I post something that I want people to pay attention to, it might get one like. Post something that doesn't mean anything, accidentally creates discussion.   I'm terrible at this.

 

normasm has already said it, but you shouldn't apologize, because discussion can be a good thing.

 

I guess I do curse more online than I do in 'real life' at my current job, but when I was working in customer service a few years ago, the bar was set a lot lower because eight times out of ten you were dealing with people who were impatient and annoyed with you (me) because their problem wasn't being resolved quickly enough. On a show like CM, where the characters tend be be written sketchily more often than not, I think it depends on the fanfic writer as to whether or not they swear a lot. Generally speaking, teenagers tend to think cursing is funny because their parents don't want them to use those words, and as younger people often write stories based on TV shows, they might have the characters say those things until they realize its not really all that shocking. Or funny.

 

For some reason when I read this I got the mental image of Spencer trying to help a woman with her coat and accidentally degloving her in the process. 

 

Now that you can maybe apologize for. (j/k)

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Oh no, I wasn't complaining. I was just trying to share the irony from my point. The in-dept discussion is great, just completely unexpected in response to a tiny attempted rant. Sorry if it seemed like I was complaining!

 

Actually, Qwerty, I think you spurred one of the more interesting discussions we've had on this thread----so, thanks!  Of course, the fact that the most interesting thing we can find to talk about is swearing in fanfiction---or even what causes us to swear----speaks volumes about the quality of the episodes we've been given this season.  I venture to say that there has been a fair amount of swearing at our TV screens on Wednesday evenings!

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I've noticed that one of the main complaints regarding the later seasons of Criminal Minds is that many cases are way over the top and unrealistic, with little to no actual real life inspirations. I actually didn't mind it as much until the latest two- three seasons ("The Inspiration"-ugh...). A few posters have mentioned some of the more realistic later episodes ("All That Remains", "Gabby", "The Edge of Winter") and I really enjoyed those a lot.

This is maybe more of a fanfiction related topic (thought I am not sure will I turn any of this ideas in fanfictions), but I think that I have a few ideas that could actually work as the episodes and be interesting while still somewhat realistic. You can comment on my ideas, leave your own or even make a rewrite of the episodes you think had potential but were handled badly!

Idea #1

The basic premise: The team is assigned to a serial sniper case in Brooklyn. The unsub has shot three random people within a week, murdering one (a young woman in her car, on her way to work: a gang member in the alleyway: and an eldery woman on the city market).

The unsub(s): It turns out that a local teenager accidentally shot and killed the first victim. He was actually aiming at the man who molested him when he was a child, who just got out of prison. Heartbroken, he confessed everything to his mother, who shot two other people non fatally while her son was at school (an alibi), so the first murder would seem like just a first murder in a series of random shootings her son couldn't have been involved in.

Real life inspiration: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo (they murdered ten people in order to cover up the murder of John's wife)

Idea #2

The basic premise: A young local homicide detective from Portland, Oregon, reaches out to the BAU, asking for their help. A young Native American woman was found dead in her house, raped and strangled to death, on October 20th. A year prior, another young Native American woman, a store cashier, was raped, robbed and strangled to death late at night at her workplace, on October 20th. That case has never been solved and she thinks that the two murders may be connected.

The unsub(s): Ryan Booth, the first victim's boyfriend and a petty criminal. He snapped and murdered her after finding out that she had been cheating on him (she was also pressirung him to find a new job at the time). He felt a sadistic pleasure at extracting his revenge on her and felt thrilled by the fear and outrage present in the community following the murder.

But that soon died down, the case turned cold, and he later lost his job. He snapped and, on the anniversary of the murder, murdered the woman who resembled the first victim in the same manner. After getting caught, he claimed that he "just wanted to have control, be powerful" and "to feel like "somebody" again".

Real life inspiration: The February 9th killer

Idea #3

The basic premise: Somebody posts a video on young woman being raped, tortured, and then murdered by two young men, on YouTube. The video can not be removed or traced to the author because whoever posted it did so on a YouTube account made by the use of an anonymous email account, and uses a few high quality proxy servers. The pen name is "TheSlaveMasters".

Sometime later, another video is posted from the same account. This one actually includes the killers issuing taunts to the police, FBI, and the community in general at the end. The videos (except for the taunts at the end) are actually composed out of smaller parts of many different tapes, so it's hard to say when the victims were murdered and are some being held captive at the moment. In both videos, the killers wear leather marks, like the ones used in BDSM sex acts, and have muffled voices. They also gag their victims and make them wear the same masks. Some of the phrases used and details in the description of the video suggest that the crimes may be happening in Wisconsin.

Some of the sayings featured on the end of the second video suggest that the unsubs were checking on the comments a lot, so one of them may even be posting there. Since there are no comments made by the pen name "TheSlaveMasters", they must be using some other account. After zeroing in on one, equally well protected, the team tries to start a conversation and get the unsubs to reveal some information about themselves.

The unsub(s): Michael (21) and Johnny Bell (19), brothers. Their father was an abusive drunk who would regularly abuse them and their mother, sometimes even raping her in front of them, and the mother would then take out their rage on them. Their father died from alcohol poisoning when was ten, leaving them alone with their mother, who would also drink regularly, abusing them physically and emotionally. They raped and murdered her when the older was twenty, got away with it, and cashed her life insurance policy.

They moved to the nice house in the suburb, started the private furniture business, and soon began abducting, torturing, raping and murdering young women that they were somehow familiar with and would get fixated on (a co worker, a pizza delivery girl...), after building a dungeon designed for that in the basement. They would usually murder the women after raping and torturing them for two or three weeks, videotaping every detail. They would then butcher up the bodies with an axe, store the body parts in the trash bags and dump the bags in the river.

Real life inspiration: Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, John Edward Robinson

Idea #4

Basic premise: There was a female serial rapist active in Philadelphia from 2007 to 2010. She claimed fifteen victims: ten girls and five boys, all between ages of fourteen and seventeen (don't ask "how"-I'll just say the objects and... medications were used at times). She then stopped all of the sudden. In 2015, one of her former victims, Lucy Eggers, publishes the book about her experience, revealing her identity, and that she has since worked hard to raise awarness about the female sex offenders and started several support groups by herself.

Soon after the book promotion, a fifteen year old girl is found beaten, raped and stabbed to that in her room-other than the murder, the M.O. matches to the one of the serial rapist to the T. The killer wrote a message, in blood, on the wall: "BECAUSE OF YOU, LUCY EGGERS."

The unsub(s): Heather Sanders. She was raised alone by an abusive father, her mother having left the family when Heather was five, unable to take the abuse anymore. One night, when she was fourteen, she got into an argument with her father, and he beat her up, then locked her outside. She was ruled in the car by a hebephile and a fetishist burglar, who abducted her and kept her captive for months, raping her repeatedly. He often commented how he had been trolling in different neighborhoods, lusting after those "stuck up, rich girls", but abducting one of them would always feel too risky for him, so he was "undescribably happy" once he found "her".

Her father eventually confronted the known sex offender in the area, whom he deemed responsible. He ended up murdering him and was convicted of manslaughter. Heather's abductor eventually tried to abduct another teenage girl, a low risk victim from an upscale neighborhood, with Heather's help, but that attempt failed. Enraged, he brutally beat Heather and raped her multiple times. She eventually managed to grab the knife he used to threaten her with and stab him to death, then find help.

The murder was ruled self defense and she wasn't legally charged: she spent the rest of her teenage years in a foster home. She eventually started living on her own and found the job at the chocolate factory. She also started attending support meetings for rape victims regularly.

When she was twenty, she found out that her father got killed in a prison riot. That was her trigger, and she began her attacks against teenagers a month later, wanting them to experience the same thing she had: that is also why she targeted low risk victims from upscale neighborhoods.

She stopped due to a growing possibility of being discovered and since she started dating a woman that she had met on the support meetings: who was submissive, petite/young looking, and would go along with her sadistic fantasies. But when one of her former victims made her story public, showing how much she has recovered and managed to help other rape victims, she decided to strike again.

Real life inspiration: The Original Night Stalker, John Joubert

And yes, I know that "The February 9th Killer" already served as a loose inspiration for "Nanny Dearest" :)

I actually think that the idea #1 may be the most realistic one, while the idea #4 is probably the least realistic.

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