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[Just Here]

Adrian Peterson Indicted For Child Abuse, Will Not Play Sunday

 

Can someone explain how in the summer a grand jury dropped the case but then another decided to charge him?

 

Here's a quick primer on state grand juries in Texas (TDCAA.com).

 

But, as merylinkid mentions, the indictment being after the latest Ray Rice revelations may have been what swayed the (apparently different) grand jury.  But, a different grand jury with different personalities and attitudes, may have made a difference.  And, how the prosecutors presented the evidence and witnesses to the grand jury the second time around could have also changed the voting outcomes.

 

Also, Under Texas law, nine grand jury members are needed for an indictment, so perhaps the numbers were almost there with the grand jury (e.g. eight or seven granded jury members voted to indict the first time around).

[BitterApple]

If the photos on TMZ are real, then Peterson went WAY over the line. That little boy had welts and cuts all up and down his legs. I don't have an issue with a parent swatting a kid on the behind or cuffing him on the ear, but when you're leaving a four year-old bruised and bloody, that's abuse. Peterson also admitted to hitting the kid in the scrotum, albeit unintentionally.

 

Now it will be real interesting to see how this plays out. Where does Goodell draw the line? Knocking your wife out in the elevator is no bueno, but beating the shit out of your kid is tolerable because it was done in the name of discipline? Roger must be wondering who put a voodoo curse on him.

Edited September 13, 2014 by BitterApple

[kathyk24]

I can't believe what Adrian Peterson did. You wouldn't hit your pet fourteen times with a stick but it's ok to hit a child? He deserves to have his son taken away for a long time.

[Fukui San]

We are seeing why every other league designates an underling to dole out disciplinary action. Goodell was so enamored of being seen as the hanging judge of the league, it overruled all common sense. His judgments were capricious, arbitrary, and based more on how contrite the offender was to Goodell than the actual crime itself. Sean Peyton and Belichick were unapologetic and Goodell hit them with disproportionate penalties. He took delight in having Pacman Jones followed so that he could surprise him with information about the people he associated with when Jones sought to have a suspension shortened. He loved being judge, jury and executioner and getting blowjobs from the media.

Ray Rice sat and made puppy dog eyes at Goodell and said "I'm sorry, sir. I'll never do it again." And because they appealed to his emotions and overdeveloped sense of paternalism he gave a woefully inadequate, uninformed discipline. It's not even about Rice. It's all about Goodell's decisions being completely ego driven from the beginning to the detriment of football. It's astounding how much he's mishandled this. Goodell must go.

[BitterApple]

I can't believe what Adrian Peterson did. You wouldn't hit your pet fourteen times with a stick but it's ok to hit a child? He deserves to have his son taken away for a long time.

Well the only saving grace is Peterson has six baby mamas, so the amount of time he's actually around these kids is probably minimal. He didn't even meet the son who died until a few months prior to his passing. 

[Jediknight]

We all thought the Niners offseason was an anomaly, it turns out they were just ahead of the curve.

 

With everything that's gone down, I'm just waiting for the revelation that Tom Brady is a time traveler and was actually Jack the Ripper, and The Zodiac.

[Snowprince]

.... and Aaron Rodgers is a Cylon.

[merylinkid]

I believe the Aaron Rodgers is a Cylon.   Except he never killed Bret Favre (not wishing anyone dead really.   It's a joke.   And I really can't stand Favre).

 

One thing that was mentioned on Pro Football Talk during the Ray Rice thing is that he is the only top League official who is not a lawyer.   That may affect how he handles discipline.  Fukui San may have a point about the paternalism vs. hey these be the rules and here be the evidence thing.   Not saying a lawyer would have done a better job, all Commish's first job is to protect the image of the League.   But a lawyer might have foreseen the backlash to the Rice suspension a little better.   He might still have only gotten 2 games, but it might have been handled better.   

 

Adrian Peterson is a top player still in his prime.   Do you really suspend him 6 games?   He already admitted he did it and is sorry.   Do you let the court process play out or do you suspend him now?   He is only inactive for Sunday and that is more a timing thing.   If he has to surrender in Texas and make bail, they weren't sure he would be out in tme for the game.   He already is out but no one knew at the time they announced he would be inactive.   And does that count as 1 of the games of the suspension?   He doesn't get paid if he is inactive.   

 

Man, I was so hoping to just talk about the games.   And how badly I am doing in the football pool.   THanks a lot Steelers.

[Irlandesa]

My concern regarding the domestic violence policy is this: If lots of players start receiving lifetime bans, I think a dynamic could develop where these women DON'T report abuse out of fear their husbands would lose income.

 

Except the women being abused don't exactly report the abuse now.  Janay Rice didn't report her abuse.  The casino's security called the police.  In the cases where the woman calls to report the abuse, it's because she's likely pushed to the limit.  I think the authorities are still scarier than the NFL.  Keeping a lenient domestic abuse policy isn't going to make people report their abuse more often and I don't think someone prepared to confront his/her abuser will suddenly be swayed by the NFL's new policy.

Adrian Peterson is a top player still in his prime.   Do you really suspend him 6 games?   He already admitted he did it and is sorry.   Do you let the court process play out or do you suspend him now?   He is only inactive for Sunday and that is more a timing thing.   If he has to surrender in Texas and make bail, they weren't sure he would be out in tme for the game.

I hate the Vikings but I will give them this, they have responded to domestic violence issues in the past rather quickly.  They suspended Chris Cook and cut AJ Jefferson after their arrests. Granted, these men were no Adrian Peterson in terms of importance to the team but I think they would have deactivated Adrian regardless of whether or not they thought he'd back.  If they were waffling at all, they could have waited to see when he got back.  They don't have to announce the active roster until game day.

 

As for him feeling sorry about it...this is his mug shot, he doesn't look very sorry.  He regrets that he went too far but he doesn't regret beating his son with a tree branch.  Or belts, allegedly.  Adrian has never seemed to me to be super intelligent and I just don't think he gets it. It was the way he was raised and he thinks it's normal.

[KerleyQ]

Adrian Peterson is a top player still in his prime.   Do you really suspend him 6 games?   He already admitted he did it and is sorry.

 

 

He admitted he did it, but I don't know how sorry he is (or even really said he is).  I think he's somewhat sorry that he got him in the crotch, but that's about it.  He's called it a "normal spanking."  And in those texts to the mother, he seemed perversely proud of it, something to the effect of "he'll remember this one!"  

 

As for the duration, that will be interesting.  The memo that he sent out to the teams about the new domestic abuse policy said something along the lines of "more severe punishments will apply if the incident involves a weapon, multiple strikings, choking, a pregnant woman, and if a child witnesses it."  (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.)  Now, if you look at that standard for spousal abuse, and translate it to this, he should actually get a harsher than 6 game penalty.  He used a weapon and he definitely struck him multiple times.  And it actually involved a child.  (And I wonder if other kids witnessed it, since he was beating him for pushing one of his cousins, so, potentially, the cousin could have witnessed it.)  

 

Personally, while both are awful, what AP did is worse than what Rice did.  So if he's indefinitely suspended, AP should be, too.  

 

If Roger throws this a two game suspension, I'm going to lose it.  I have hope that he won't be that lenient, just because there is already so much attention on them for not being aggressive enough (at first) with Rice.  Hopefully, Roger isn't going to want to look soft on this, especially with the pictures out there of his son's injuries, so he can't try the "well we didn't know how bad it was" card. 

[Danny Franks]

 

As for him feeling sorry about it...this is his mug shot, he doesn't look very sorry.  He regrets that he went too far but he doesn't regret beating his son with a tree branch.  Or belts, allegedly.  Adrian has never seemed to me to be super intelligent and I just don't think he gets it. It was the way he was raised and he thinks it's normal.

 

I think that's the key to is. He seems to be operating under the rationale, 'it never did me any harm', like many people do. It's a tough one, because it is an unconscionable act, and one that should merit criminal proceedings but, it does happen a lot and I've seen beating your kids like this as a comedic trope used in American comedy shows.

 

I'm always conflicted about corporal punishment, because sometimes I think it can be effective, where other methods of punishment aren't (I don't have kids, before anyone suggests I've ever used corporal punishment), and I don't believe that it will necessarily lead to kids being inured to violence and treating it as acceptable, nor will it necessarily lead to them becoming bad people as adults. But this was a four year old boy, and I can't think of anything a four year old boy could do to warrant being beaten like that. Surely even staunch advocates of corporal punishment would say, 'that was too much'.

[DrSpaceman]

I think what he did was definetly abuse, but the punishment he should get from the state and the NFL I am less decided about.

It would seem based on the new standard it should be at least 6 games, if not more. Is it worse to do this to a 4 year old than a grown woman? Does the motive behind it matter? I don't necessarily see jail time as being beneficial in this case. education, probation, community service.

[merylinkid]

The Panthers FINALLY got it.   Greg Hardy is inactive.

[Irlandesa]

It would seem based on the new standard it should be at least 6 games, if not more. Is it worse to do this to a 4 year old than a grown woman? Does the motive behind it matter? I don't necessarily see jail time as being beneficial in this case. education, probation, community service.

I read an article at Sports Illustrated about this new domestic abuse and the legal implications.  The author seems to think it's currently only about spouses, not children.  And the policy hasn't been negotiated with the NFLPA which could put its anti-trust exemption under the microscope.  That said, they do still have the personal conduct policy that they could use.

 

The NFL's punishments typically have nothing to do with the law.  The whole point of NFL punishments has been about league image and saying "we won't stand for this."

 

The Panthers FINALLY got it.   Greg Hardy is inactive.

 

I think the Vikings put them on notice.  There was no way they could justify Hardy playing with Peterson off the field.  At this time, the 49ers don't appear to be following suit.

[merylinkid]

The NFL came up with the DV policy that only covers spouses?   Well, then Ray Rice would not have been disciplined under it.   Nor would Greg Hardy or Ray McDonald.   In Ray Rice's case, Janay was his fiancee at the time.   Greg Hardy was convicted by a judge of beating his girlfriend.   Ray McDonald for abusing his pregnant girlfriend.   Not a married one among them.   Plus, kids aren't part of a family so they don't fall under the heading of "domestic violence?"   Most jurisdictions would be surprised to hear that.

 

The League has always had the abiity to act regardless of any action taken by the justice system.   To claim otherwise is just CYA by the League.

[BitterApple]

The NFL came up with the DV policy that only covers spouses?   Well, then Ray Rice would not have been disciplined under it.   Nor would Greg Hardy or Ray McDonald.   In Ray Rice's case, Janay was his fiancee at the time.   Greg Hardy was convicted by a judge of beating his girlfriend.   Ray McDonald for abusing his pregnant girlfriend.   Not a married one among them.   Plus, kids aren't part of a family so they don't fall under the heading of "domestic violence?"   Most jurisdictions would be surprised to hear that.

 

The League has always had the abiity to act regardless of any action taken by the justice system.   To claim otherwise is just CYA by the League.

Peterson will be back on the field next week, mark my words. People are already making excuses for him. "It's just how we do things in the South" "Black families discipline their kids differently" "If more parents whooped their kids like that we would have so many bad ass heathens running around" etc. 

 

The child's wounds looked horrible in that picture and that was AFTER they'd had a week to heal. I can't imagine how bad they must have looked when they were fresh. But it's okay, because Peterson is truly sorry and he's cooperating fully with authorities...

Edited September 14, 2014 by BitterApple

[Irlandesa]

The NFL came up with the DV policy that only covers spouses?  

Spouses was my word, not the articles.

[Jx223]

I think what he did was definetly abuse, but the punishment he should get from the state and the NFL I am less decided about.

It would seem based on the new standard it should be at least 6 games, if not more. Is it worse to do this to a 4 year old than a grown woman? Does the motive behind it matter? I don't necessarily see jail time as being beneficial in this case. education, probation, community service.

I'm not sure what is going to happen here. Maybe Roger will wait a little and see what the law does or maybe he will act in a swifter manner and administer a tough punishment. He might feel pressured to act quickly because of the fallout he and the NFL have received due to the Ray Rice incident. I think that how strongly the public outcry might be over this latest situation with Adrian could factor into how quickly Roger acts and what type of punishment he administers.

 

So far from what I've seen at least on the internet and a little from the media, not as many people are as upset with Adrian as they were with Ray. I have seen a lot of people supporting Ray on places like Twitter and ESPN' s website. I've seen more tweets supporting Ray on Twitter, than tweets condemning him. I think that is due to many people feeling like there isn't anything wrong with spanking a child, (even though this goes well beyond that). Many of the people that don't have a problem with spanking a child, also don't have problem with a parent beating a child with things like switches and belts. Several of these people grew up receiving punishments like that, and feel that it's okay.

 

While I haven't been watching a ton of regular news this weekend it also seems like the media is being quieter on this issue, than they were with Ray Rice. Part of this could be due to this news being released on the weekend. I think that part of it could also be that people don't view this situation as badly as they did Ray Rice. Maybe media coverage of this issue tomorrow will be heavier. Plus I think that a lot of people, (including some people in the media) are just tired of being overrun with all the bad news that we've had to deal with regarding NFL players lately. Maybe even the media wants a break from this and that's why the coverage of this story might seem lighter right now. I think that a lot of people are just fatigued by the constant and continuous coverage of NFL players acting badly.

 

I think that all of these reasons could be why right now it may seem (at least to me) like there isn't as much "noise" regarding Adrian Peterson and his actions. I wonder how much public outcry or lack of it will affect how this story is covered in the media and possibly how Adrian is dealt with by the NFL.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Jx223

[KerleyQ]

I think that's the key to is. He seems to be operating under the rationale, 'it never did me any harm', like many people do. It's a tough one, because it is an unconscionable act, and one that should merit criminal proceedings but, it does happen a lot and I've seen beating your kids like this as a comedic trope used in American comedy shows.

 

 

I can't say I've ever seen the kind of beating AP gave his son used as comedic trope.  Yeah, we've seen the "I'm going to get my belt" kind of thing, but this is so far beyond that.  

 

Sadly, I think we're not going to see the same level of public/media outrage about AP as we did about Rice (even though, personally, what AP did was worlds worse).  And that's for a couple of reasons.  First, there's the already discussed attitude of "well, my parents spanked me, and I'm fine."  Then, there's the fact that everyone seems to love AP.  He was last season's "feel good" story with his return after serious injury.  Then he lost one of his sons.  So I think there are a lot of people who want him to have not done anything that bad, so the cognitive dissonance comes into play where people are trying to handwave it as just "spanking" or "discipline."  

 

I think that's all the more reason for the league (and the legal system) to take a strong stand here.  You have to make it clear that what he did is not OK, it's not typical discipline, and that you can't get a pass on something so vicious just because you're a well liked athlete.  And, especially, the message needs to get out there to kids that, if your parents are doing this to you, it's not OK.  

[merylinkid]

WHY?  WHY?   WHY?   Do I think I can pick games?    Why?

[Jx223]

I am glad that Cleveland won. It looks like they are improving and I continue to be pleased with what I am seeing from their Rookie Running Backs, Terrence West and Isaiah Crowell. These two young men have a spark to them. Also good for Dansby, Brian, Miles and Billy for helping them get the win over the Saints

 

Also I thought that Washington played very well today. I thought that Kirk did a pretty good job of leading them after RGIII went down with another injury. I hope that he ends up being okay and that he won't miss a lot of games or anything like that.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Jx223

[wingster55]

Man my Falcons were awful today. 

Jeez

[xaxat]

So, I guess Adrian Peterson thinks we shouldn't be judging him because . . . God?

[Danny Franks]

Man my Falcons were awful today. 

Jeez

 

They were terrible. The one time I want the Falcons to win a game, to stop the Bengals getting to 2-0, and they just blow it in ridiculous fashion. The Bengals are honestly not that good a team, but their opponents just seem to make a complete mess of everything, when they play against them.

 

I am glad that Cleveland won. It looks like they are improving and I continue to be pleased with what I am seeing from their Rookie Running Backs, Terrence West and Isaiah Crowell. These two young men have a spark to them. Also good for Dansby, Brian, Miles and Billy for helping them get the win over the Saints

 

 

 

I will forever hate the Browns for picking Terrance West just before the Ravens could. A Towson product and Ravens fan, who openly talked about how great it would be to play for them, and who the Ravens coaches and scouts were very high on (seriously, just look at how bummed Ozzie and Harbs were in their press conference after day two of the draft, when asked about West). They were going to take him in that round, and ended up panicking and grabbing Crockett Gillmore after West was gone. West is going to be a very good NFL running back.

 

Sadly, my fantasy football season is a write off, already. I don't take it seriously, like some of the crazies out there, but it's fun to win. But picking Adrian Peterson in the first round wasn't the best move. Then I get alternating great/crap performances from Stafford and Julio Jones over the first two weeks, and bench Sammy Watkins after a bad first game. Oh well.

[bosawks]

So, my family talked me into participating in a fantasy football league.

I'm going to be honest after two weeks I kind of hate it.

[HalcyonDays]

I am glad that Cleveland won. It looks like they are improving and I continue to be pleased with what I am seeing from their Rookie Running Backs, Terrence West and Isaiah Crowell. These two young men have a spark to them. Also good for Dansby, Brian, Miles and Billy for helping them get the win over the Saints

 

Also I thought that Washington played very well today. I thought that Kirk did a pretty good job of leading them after RGIII went down with another injury. I hope that he ends up being okay and that he won't miss a lot of games or anything like that.

 

I'm all for the "underdog' so really glad that Kurt Cousins decimated the Jags (of course I picked the Jags in my pool...*sigh*)

 

I feel really bad for RGIII though - he is constantly getting injured. They say its a dislocated ankle, and he could be out for two months. I have a feeling he's going to be a player that will have to retire early in his career due to injuries. And the commentary is that Cousins looked more comfortable today, then RGIII ever has.

 

Oh, and the Cowboys won. Boo. And the Browns beat the Saints...The heck...

[BitterApple]

I feel really bad for RGIII though - he is constantly getting injured. They say its a dislocated ankle, and he could be out for two months. I have a feeling he's going to be a player that will have to retire early in his career due to injuries. And the commentary is that Cousins looked more comfortable today, then RGIII ever has.

 

 

Damn, that sucks. The good thing for RGIII is he's a smart, articulate guy. If he does have to retire early, I could see him making an easy transition into broadcasting for college football or the NFL. 

Edited September 14, 2014 by BitterApple

[Danny Franks]

So, my family talked me into participating in a fantasy football league.

I'm going to be honest after two weeks I kind of hate it.

 

It can ruin your enjoyment of games, and it's odd to sometimes find yourself getting annoyed over a game that means nothing to your actual real team, just because you have one of the players involved in your fantasy team. It's even worse when you're in a league with people who do take it seriously.

 

I feel really bad for RGIII though - he is constantly getting injured. They say its a dislocated ankle, and he could be out for two months. I have a feeling he's going to be a player that will have to retire early in his career due to injuries. And the commentary is that Cousins looked more comfortable today, then RGIII ever has.

 

 

I think they're wrong about that, or just have short memories. RGIII's rookie campaign started off pretty well, even when he was in a bad Redskins team. He looked just fine, both in the pocket and scrambling out of it. But since that injury he took, where he set off on a run once too often, and was met by Haloti Ngata, he just hasn't been the same.

 

It took its physical toll, just as his injuries in college did, but I think the mental impact was more enduring. He just didn't see anything like as sharp or confident or brave last year, even when in the pocket. I don't think the Shanahans helped him with that, and we've sadly not had the chance to see how Jay Gruden might have helped him. But he can come back from this, with the right preparation and mental attitude.

[HalcyonDays]

I think they're wrong about that, or just have short memories. RGIII's rookie campaign started off pretty well, even when he was in a bad Redskins team. He looked just fine, both in the pocket and scrambling out of it. But since that injury he took, where he set off on a run once too often, and was met by Haloti Ngata, he just hasn't been the same.

 

It took its physical toll, just as his injuries in college did, but I think the mental impact was more enduring. He just didn't see anything like as sharp or confident or brave last year, even when in the pocket. I don't think the Shanahans helped him with that, and we've sadly not had the chance to see how Jay Gruden might have helped him. But he can come back from this, with the right preparation and mental attitude.

 

Well, it is media - they love to whip up the drama. For me, it's like ever since RGIII blew out his knee during KneeGate, he's a different player. He seems so much more hesitant and reserved. I figure he is absolutely terrified of getting another very bad injury that could potentially derail is career and it's mentally affecting him. I really feel bad for the guy and hated Shanahan with 1000 suns for putting RGIII in during that Wildcard game. There was no need to risk it, especially for a really good quarterback with a bright future. That's me, though, thinking long term.

 

If he's really out for 2 months, his confidence isn't going to get any better and once again he loses out on experience. Then there is the implications if Cousins can continue play amazing.

 

That said, the right coach can do wonders for a team. RGIII maybe just needs the right coach around him (see: Andy Reid and KC Chiefs). And to not get injured anymore.

[merylinkid]

ProFootballTalk has the story that Mike Priefer, the special teams coach for the Vikings has been reinstated from his suspension.   He was suspended for allegedly making homphobic remarks that offended Chris Kluwe.   He got 3 games reduced to 2 if he took some training and did a few other things.   Yeah, for words he got suspended for more games than Ray Rice originally.

 

Remember when that, and the Dolphins locker room bullying Jonathan Martin was the biggest scandal the NFL had to deal with?   Now it's almost like "seriously he said some wrong things? Send him to sensitivity training and call it a day."

[Fukui San]

You could have a long coaching career without once having an assistant coach call a last second time out that negates a critical, positive play by your team. Rex Ryan has now had that happen twice. In 2007, he as defensive coordinator of the Ravens called a last second time out on a 4th and short against the undefeated Patriots. They snapped the ball and Brady got stuffed on a QB sneak, but it didn't count because of the TO. Patriots then converted the 4th down and won the game. And today Ryan's offensive coordinator Marty Morningweg calls a TO that negates a long TD bomb for the Jets that would have tied the game against the Packers. They lose by 7.

 

In summation: Fuck Rex Ryan. I hope he loses every game like this.

[merylinkid]

And he wasn't the Ryan who had the worst day.   Rob Ryan's Saints' defense SUCKED.   Sean Peyton was yelling at him on the sidelines.  He was supposed to be this defensive genius that was wasted in Dallas.   He was going to save the Saints and get them back to the Super Bowl.  Yet they are still terrible on defense -- and Dallas is getting better (well relatively). Is it possible that all these years the Ryan twins didn't get a shot at HC not because of who their dad was but because they are terrible coaches?

[Rick Kitchen]

The Seahawks lose and the 49ers can't take advantage of it.  Look out, NFC West, the Cardinals are in first place.  Dammit.

[Jediknight]

I think they're wrong about that, or just have short memories. RGIII's rookie campaign started off pretty well, even when he was in a bad Redskins team. He looked just fine, both in the pocket and scrambling out of it. But since that injury he took, where he set off on a run once too often, and was met by Haloti Ngata, he just hasn't been the same.

His career downfall started because Mike Shanahan wanted to win a playoff game.  There was no reason for RGIII to be playing that playoff game, but of course the future of RGIII and the Redskins was sacrificed.  And it was only made worse by that horrible field.  Last year did him no favors, he obviously wasn't at 100% and the season was a loss for Washington, so he should have been shut down in week 9 at the latest.

 

Guy's career is massively hurt because they had to mortgage the future to try to win 1 freaking game.  And it's worse since Washington mortgaged the future to get him.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Jediknight

[KerleyQ]

His career downfall started because Mike Shanahan wanted to win a playoff game.  There was no reason for RGIII to be playing that playoff game, but of course the future of RGIII and the Redskins was sacrificed.  And it was only made worse by that horrible field.  Last year did him no favors, he obviously wasn't at 100% and the season was a loss for Washington, so he should have been shut down in week 9 at the latest.

 

Guy's career is massively hurt because they had to mortgage the future to try to win 1 freaking game.  And it's worse since Washington mortgaged the future to get him.

 

I was just saying yesterday that what Shanahan did to him was horrible.  You don't put the future of a young player in jeopardy like that for one game.  That's your franchise's future.  

Edited September 15, 2014 by KerleyQ

[merylinkid]

So what were they supposed to do?   If you don't play your starting QB in the playoffs, who do you play?   Of course Shanahan wanted to win a playoff game, every coach does.   

[HalcyonDays]

So what were the-ey supposed to do?   If you don't play your starting QB in the playoffs, who do you play?   Of course Shanahan wanted to win a playoff game, every coach does.   

 

I had two thoughts when I was actually watching the game. 1) If the Redskins win, RGIII needs time to recover before next week so he needs to sit. 2) Man, the offensive line sucks, RGIII's knee is already weak, and why the hell is Shanahan putting a limping QB in there? He's so going to get hurt." Next play, there goes his knee.

 

Yes, Shanahan wanted to win that game, and for all we know, RGIII was arguing that he wanted to play too - the thing is, it's a gamble. If you make it to the next round you need a healthy(er) quarterback who can hopefully win the game. In that wildcard matchup, the Redskins were terrible and were going to lose badly, so to risk RGIII for what seemed like nothing, when he was already hobbling around on a reinjured knee (earlier in the game) seemed to be incredibly foolish.

 

On top of that, the backup QB was Kurt Cousins, who was playing really well at the time. It was just a poor decision by Shanahan, but we can only really get angry with him now because of the severity of the injury. If the Redskins still lost, but RGIII didn't have the torn ACL/LCL, no one would have said a thing, or mumbled a little but moved on. I even remember the commentators (I think it was Cris Collingsworth) questioning the decision big time. It was just a combination of incredibly back luck and bad decision making. Sometimes a coach needs to put ego aside and look at the bigger picture - i.e. the future, not just today. Just my thinking at the time/now.

 

Also, there was a lot of debate at the time about players being adamant about playing while badly injured - it's just who they are - but who should make the final decision. The doctors? The coach or the player who think he feels fine. I would always go with the doctor - only because they be the most unbiased of the lot (that's not saying much).

[xaxat]

I can't remember any athlete having as much drama about an injury that wasn't directly related to the nature of the injury.

 

RGIII versus the Shanahans, RGII versus the Shanahans, RGIII versus the knee brace. James Andrews publicly challenging the decision to play RGIII. The wisdom of  RGIII and Nike's All In campaign etc. 

[BitterApple]

Well it looks like Peterson will be back on the field next Sunday! I guess they decided beating children is negligible after you've gotten your ass handed to you by Brady and the Pats.

 

Peterson Reinstated by Vikings

Edited September 15, 2014 by BitterApple

[topanga]

 

RGIII went down with another injury.

I never thought I'd consider RGIII a fragile player, but it seems he's becoming one. Question for the group: I haven't watched a full highlight of his injury because it makes me sad. Was he scrambling in the pocket, trying to make a pass, or had he taken off running? If he was only scrambling: that sucks. If he was running: stop running, dude.

[merylinkid]

He was running.  BUt it was non contact.   He just came down wrong and you can see his ankle flop the wrong way.   As he put it "when you look down and see your ankle facing the wrong way, you aren't going to be moving too much."   I admit I laughed at that.   I'm sorry he is hurt but that is a HIGHlarious line.

[topanga]

While I believe in physical discpline, taking a switch to the bare bottom of a 4 year old and hitting him repeatedly crosses the line.   And for what?   He shoved one of his siblings while they were playing video games.    You swat him with your bare hand on his covered butt and tell him no more video games.   The punishment was way out of proportion to the problem.

 

Peterson should really have known better.   Last year one of his kids died after being beaten by the mother's boyfriend.

merylinkid, my husband I got into a huge debate about this. Although it really wasn't a debate, since we were both kind of saying the same thing.

 

I don't have a holier-than-thou attitude. I have spanked my kids on occasion--when they were smaller, and I don't condemn parents who have, but there are so many more effective and less barbaric methods for disciplining children and teaching them right from wrong. This is something I now understand.

 

What surprises me is that Adrian Peterson of all people would spank his child's bare bottom with a switch, for the very reason you mentioned: his other son was beaten to death by an adult. Why would Adrian Peterson ever beat one of his living children?

[yourpointis]

Broncos fans start petition to ban CBS' Phil Simms from Broncos broadcasts

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/broncos-fans-start-petition-ban-163030222.html

[topanga]

Who is this Josh Koffman guy singing the National Anthem? With his smooth, soulful voice, I thought I was listening to Peabo Bryson or Jeffrey Osbourne.

[merylinkid]

There are multiple reports that Adrian Peterson "whooped" another one of his 4 year olds and left a scar over the kid's eye.   The kid's actions that resulted in the "whooping?"   Cussing at another sibling.   First, the kid is 4, they really don't get cussing.   They just hear adults doing when the adult is mad so they think that is what you do.   Second, not grounds for a "whooping."   Time out,  something else.   Not explaining, you can't reason with a 4 year old.   But you never, ever, ever ever leave marks on a child.   Never.

 

Full disclosure, my parents used hot wheels tracks on me.   But 1) I was not 4, 2) I richly deserved a whooping to get my attention and 3) my parents would do it oh so much differently these days.   Petersen is 29, he was raised in the generation that did not whoop kids.   And don't give me that cultural crap.   He had a tv, he had a computer, he knew darn well that shit is not supposed to happen.  

[pivot]

Peterson will be back on the field next week, mark my words. People are already making excuses for him. "It's just how we do things in the South" "Black families discipline their kids differently" "If more parents whooped their kids like that we would have so many bad ass heathens running around" etc. 

 

The child's wounds looked horrible in that picture and that was AFTER they'd had a week to heal. I can't imagine how bad they must have looked when they were fresh. But it's okay, because Peterson is truly sorry and he's cooperating fully with authorities...

 

 

Well it looks like Peterson will be back on the field next Sunday! I guess they decided beating children is negligible after you've gotten your ass handed to you by Brady and the Pats.

 

Peterson Reinstated by Vikings

 

That reinstatement isn't going to last with the 2nd allegation of child abuse. Radisson already dropped their sponsorship of the Vikings over Adrian Peterson. I expect more to follow. No brand wants to be associated with a child abuser.

 

AP clearly has a problem. He has an entire room called the whooping room. This goes way beyond corporal punishment and into child abuse. And to those making excuses for him saying it's just a southern thing, remember he was indicted by a Texas grand jury. This isn't some Minnesota Nice grand jury here.

[kathyk24]

This looks really bad for the Vikngs. How can they claim to support the community when they have an abuser on the team? Adrian Peterson doesn't get it he apologizes for hurting his son but claims he isn't a abuser. What exactly does he think an abuser is?

[merylinkid]

Well hell, that was not good.

 

But this only playing one half is going to catch up with the Eagles eventually.   It almost got them tonight because the Colts did not stop scoring like the Jaguars so nicely did last week.   Eventually they are going to be in a hole too deep to climb out or a team is just going to keep scoring (and the calls won't be in the Eagles favor either).

[topanga]

the Eagles would not have scored as much as they did in the 2nd half if it wasn't for some bad calls, e.g. the defender knocked the receiver down then got the interception. ??????   I'm not making excuses. The Colts were missing tackles left and right all night long. Darren Sproles broke how many tackles before getting into the in zone in the 3rd quarter?

 

I'm not a Colts fan. I just don't like the Eagles.

[Ohwell]

Who is this Josh Koffman guy singing the National Anthem? With his smooth, soulful voice, I thought I was listening to Peabo Bryson or Jeffrey Osbourne.

He was the winner of The Voice.  While I liked his singing of the National Anthem, I thought the tempo was just a little too slow.