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After seeing Alex Smith's amazing 30 for 30 on ESPN, I'm not at all surprised he might try for a comeback. Dude was a rockstar mentally and physically in dealing with his life-threatening injury. His doctors were blown away by his effort and spirit, so if he is fit for it, I think he deserves a chance. 

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Alex Smith is starting camp on PUP.   He did not pass his physical.   

The NFL is NOT going to get it right on Covid.   They have baseball's example right in front of them and Roger Goodell still sent out that fan letter that was basically "Yaaay football is back, have fun."   It's gonna be a hot mess.

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Are voluntary opt outs starting to trickle into everyone’s teams? Patriots have three so far: FB Danny Vitale, LB D’ante Hightower, and RT Marcus Cannon, who is a cancer survivor. 

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1 hour ago, Fukui San said:

Are voluntary opt outs starting to trickle into everyone’s teams? Patriots have three so far: FB Danny Vitale, LB D’ante Hightower, and RT Marcus Cannon, who is a cancer survivor. 

We've already had guys, some very early in their careers, say no to CTE and opt out of football, so it's only surprising that even more haven't opted out rather than catch a deadly virus.  They should listen to players like Von Miller who survived COVID-19 but had a rough go of it.

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2 hours ago, Fukui San said:

Are voluntary opt outs starting to trickle into everyone’s teams? Patriots have three so far: FB Danny Vitale, LB D’ante Hightower, and RT Marcus Cannon, who is a cancer survivor. 

From this ESPN story updated this morning, at least 10 players have opted out, including 5 from the Patriots.

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Hightower's fiancee just gave birth, so he doesn't surprise me, nor does Goodwin. Marquise and his wife have been through the ringer trying to start a family. Now that she finally carried a baby to term, I can't blame him for not wanting to risk it.

I wonder if this will open the floodgates for other players opting out?

 

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Meanwhiiiiiiiiiiiile, our darling MVP just became the youngest owner in MLB!

 

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I love the Patrick Mahomes story.   I don't know any other active player who bought part of a team in another sport.  

The opt out deadline is 7 days from the signing of the revised CBA.   The revised CBA has not been signed yet.    I fully support any player who opts out -- even if its "ya know I just don't think they got this right."   Especially after seeing baseball's reaction to NINETEEN players on one team being exposed -- eh, that team won't play for awhile everyone else, keep playing.  

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No opt outs for the Colts. 

I heard CJ mosely is opting out for the Jets. 

So you get $150K if you opt out with no medical excuse and $350K if you opt out and have a medical excuse. 

Not huge money compared to some salaries, but a nice chunk of change for doing nothing for an average person. 

No opt outs for the Colts, good news for me as a fan

I was thinking recently the NFL really could have, and really had time to set up, a rotating "pod bubble" system.  The schedule the way it is actually lends itself to this and is an advantage.  You can set it up and rotate on a monthly basis, splitting up based on division and interdivision match ups and have from 6-8 sights across the country, rotate then each month.  And you do a bye week at the end of each month.  You may not get to 16 games, would probably get to 14, still working out the details in my head, but it would have been doable. 

But the NFL won't do or probably never considered it.  Their attitude just seems to be we're play a regular schedule, screw it.  Opt out if you want and maybe fans and preseason games reduced, but they are playing a regular 16 game schedule and don't care how any of it turns out

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Pod bubble plan for the NFL :

14 games each year are made up of 6 divisional games, 4 games with another division in conference and 4 games with another division out of conference.

Month one :  Set up 4 pods across the country made up of the 8 teams that play intra-conference division games each year.  This year that would be :

AFC North/AFC South

AFC East/AFC West

NFC South/NFC North

NFC East/NFC west

You still in that one city, all the teams, for 4 weeks and play the 4 games.

Month two :  4 pods based on inter-conference division games 

AFC South/NFC North

NFC South/AFC West

NFC East/AFC North

NFC West/AFC East

"Month" 3 :  This would really just require division teams, all divisional games for 6 weeks.  You could set up 8 pods for each division or 4 and double up again with two divisions in each place

You have a bye week in between the changing between sites after month one and two.  If you want, since they are traveling anyway, you can schedule the two games based on record each year (intra conference games against the two division not played) in those travels weeks since traveling is happening anyway

Of you could just skip those games OR wait until the end of the season, hope things are better by the first of the year and play them then.  

This adds an extra bye week.  AT worst its a week longer season.  If you take away the two extra games and go to a 14 game season its one less week overall.  

 

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I hope he recovers, but training camp has opened.   How many people were exposed?    This is what happened to baseball (and they STILL haven't shut down).    They started having positive tests, and it spread.   

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16 hours ago, merylinkid said:

I hope he recovers, but training camp has opened.   How many people were exposed?    This is what happened to baseball (and they STILL haven't shut down).    They started having positive tests, and it spread.   

The difference, IMO is that baseball is, was, and will be more focused on money before safety.  That part was a mess even before things got started.  While it's early, it doesn't appear to be the case for the NFL.  MLB had a major breach; I don't think that'll occur with football

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7 hours ago, Carey said:

The difference, IMO is that baseball is, was, and will be more focused on money before safety.  Tha

Serious question, what leads you to believe that the NFL puts safety before money?    The concussion danger was deliberately hidden by their own doctors for years.   They used to hand out pills like candy, toradol is STILL a thing so they can get players on the field.   The players are openly laughing at the NFL doctors who say its safe to play.   

Players are in training camp, where they are too busy to get into trouble.   Once the season starts you will have the same thing baseball is having -- players breaking isolation to go to dinner or, my personal favorite stupid act, a CASINO.   

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I love the NFL but I in no way think they care about player safety over money.  I can't say if they are more or less concerned about safety than MLB because I don't follow the MLB, but the NFL has had months to prepare for this and really hasn't done much.  

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2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Serious question, what leads you to believe that the NFL puts safety before money?    The concussion danger was deliberately hidden by their own doctors for years.   They used to hand out pills like candy, toradol is STILL a thing so they can get players on the field.   The players are openly laughing at the NFL doctors who say its safe to play.   

Players are in training camp, where they are too busy to get into trouble.   Once the season starts you will have the same thing baseball is having -- players breaking isolation to go to dinner or, my personal favorite stupid act, a CASINO.   

The NFL putting safety before money happens when their star players express concern about the possible conditions, which was done not too long ago.  If an unknown expressed concern about it, then the NFL would’ve suggested he opt out.  However, if it’s people like Mahomes, Wentz, and others like Watt & Brees, then that is a different story.  The NFL can’t afford to have their big stars opting out.
Really, while it looks like the league would put safety first, it is fair enough to say that it’s about money.  As for the misbehavior during the season, the league has been known to be tough on players for things that jeopardize the sports.  In addition to that, I can’t imagine a team that has two dozen players test positive and then say nothing.  Players breaking the rules (and getting in trouble for it)?  Absolutely.  
Maybe I’m wrong, but I can’t picture the Cleveland Browns pulling a Miami Marlins to the point of putting the NFL season on life support.  If, say Cleveland has 2 or 3 dozen players test positive because they went to Atlanta to party, then the Browns would likely get punished to a point where they're kicked out for 2020.  I think they would be smart enough to report it, which would help avoid a spread.

I think the biggest concern, as mentioned, is with the injuries (over COVID) that'll happen this year due to the lack of training and conditioning.  The thing that'll suck is if there's a major injury that trickles into 2021.  People will say that these athletes could have worked out on their own & that they should've known better.  The problem is that they couldn't this year, obviously.

2 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I love the NFL but I in no way think they care about player safety over money.  I can't say if they are more or less concerned about safety than MLB because I don't follow the MLB, but the NFL has had months to prepare for this and really hasn't done much.  

The NFL assumed that this would've gone away by now.  They concluded that they were luckily immune since they were in their off season while the other sports had their stuff cancelled.  The league would lose no time or no games and proceed normally.  That is not good on the NFL's part.  Those that said back in March they'd be shocked to see football are starting to look smart right now
 

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The NFL has some positives and negatives going for it. 

A positive is that they can see how things work out with other sports.  They have time to consider the options; although we're coming up on opening weekend pretty quickly.

A positive is that there are usually seven days in between games.  So if Player X on the Vikings gives it to Player Y on the Bears, Player Y will likely be tested and his teammates can also maybe be tested to see if there is team spread before they play their next opponent.

A negative is that there are usually seven days in between games.  They can't bubble up like the NBA is doing where they can stick players in a quarantined area for a week, test and then hold all the games at once.  The NFL is such a physical sport that they need that week in between games. 

Compared to other sports, there are so few games in the NFL.  I think that once games start getting cancelled, it's going to be a mess for records and seeding.  What is going to happen if a team gets this during the playoffs?

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't even think the NFL has a plan for these scenarios.  I'm kind of getting a "cross our fingers" vibe.

 

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You know what makes me sad?

Broken ass Ben Roethlisberger is oozing his way back to camp, Fertile Phillip Rivers is starting over in Indy...and healthy as hell Eli Manning is sitting at home, tweeting about Frank’s Red Hot.

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I see Jerry Jones has oozed out of whatever crypt he spent his summer in so now we start another go-‘round of “is Dak worth anything?”

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He's also insistent about playing games in front of fans. Social media had a field day - "They can sit in the end zone because no one catches anything there."

 

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Seattle has waived a rookie CB who tried to sneak a woman into the team hotel. 

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7 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Seattle has waived a rookie CB who tried to sneak a woman into the team hotel. 

I wonder how many they haven't caught yet?

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6 hours ago, Moose135 said:

I wonder how many they haven't caught yet?

That's the scary thing. Still, I don't think anyone is surprised. 

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11 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

He's also insistent about playing games in front of fans. Social media had a field day - "They can sit in the end zone because no one catches anything there."

 

I actually don't have a problem with him wanting fans there.  I wouldn't go.  I'm not sure I would pay the regular price for part of the fan experience.  When attending a game, you'd want the full deal with a ton of fans, full concessions, etc.  No restrictions.  Health and safety are important; that aside, no disrespect there, but it's like going to an amusement park where it's different, yet the prices are the same as they would have been with or without a pandemic.

 

AT&T Stadium would be the perfect place to allow fans, at the end of the day.  It is advanced and big enough!

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1 hour ago, catlover79 said:

That's the scary thing. Still, I don't think anyone is surprised. 

After the Earl Thomas incident it’s relatively small potatoes. 

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21 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Seattle has waived a rookie CB who tried to sneak a woman into the team hotel. 

The football teams are keeping a very close eye on this kind of stuff. This kid apparently dressed up the woman in Seattle gear to "disguise" her as a Seattle player. (heh)

Seattle is lucky it wasn't one of their important players.

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Alex Smith officially cleared for football activities.   But if you see the pictures of his family celebrating, you can clearly see he is wearing some sort of stabilizer/brace on his ENTIRE leg, like from his toes to his hip.   To me that does not scream "ready to get under center."    It's great he has healed up and can walk again, but if I were his wife I would be seriously questionining whether he really needs to play football again.

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On the new ESPN Radio morning show, they keep mentioning that Keyshawn Johnson is a Super Bowl champion, but have failed to mention which team that was with.  I can’t imagine why!

On 8/16/2020 at 8:03 AM, merylinkid said:

Alex Smith officially cleared for football activities.   But if you see the pictures of his family celebrating, you can clearly see he is wearing some sort of stabilizer/brace on his ENTIRE leg, like from his toes to his hip.   To me that does not scream "ready to get under center."    It's great he has healed up and can walk again, but if I were his wife I would be seriously questionining whether he really needs to play football again.

Oh I thought that was a compression sleeve to help with the grafts in his legs.

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35 minutes ago, mojoween said:

On the new ESPN Radio morning show, they keep mentioning that Keyshawn Johnson is a Super Bowl champion, but have failed to mention which team that was with.  I can’t imagine why!

Oh I thought that was a compression sleeve to help with the grafts in his legs.

It might well be -- but still, if you need a compression sleeve still because of grafts, maybe you shouldn't be out there playing just yet.   But that's just me.

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Perhaps Alex just wants to be able to be in a real game, make a play or two, and then go out on his own terms.  It may mean more money, or it just may be a pride thing.

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On 8/16/2020 at 5:03 AM, merylinkid said:

Alex Smith officially cleared for football activities.   But if you see the pictures of his family celebrating, you can clearly see he is wearing some sort of stabilizer/brace on his ENTIRE leg, like from his toes to his hip.   To me that does not scream "ready to get under center."    It's great he has healed up and can walk again, but if I were his wife I would be seriously questionining whether he really needs to play football again.

I honestly don't understand it either. Does he really want to risk some 300 lb. lineman falling on his leg? 

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11 hours ago, Ladybugnine said:

Is there no thread for HBO's Hard Knocks?

No there is not. I guess we typically just talk about it here. 

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6 hours ago, JTMacc99 said:

No there is not. I guess we typically just talk about it here. 

I went to go watch it, and I saw that it was Hard Knocks:  Los Angeles.  And was confused for a few seconds to see Anthony Lynn instead of Sean McVay.  After all this time, still don't have it burned in my brain that the Chargers are not in San Diego.

But then they have both the Rams and the Chargers.  First time they've had two teams on at the same time, I'm pretty sure.

Interesting how they are trying to reduce infection by moving many of their normally indoor facilities outdoors.  Which you can do in Southern California.  Don't know how well that would work in the burning furnace here in Phoenix.  Or cities with a lot of rain. 

Also funny to watch these macho guys who will gladly slam their bodies into the turf freaking out about having a swab placed in their nose and a tube of blood drawn. 

Not funny that the lab technicians who are getting up close and personal, over and over, don't seem to be wearing N95 respirators, only ordinary surgical masks.  And not funny at the suggestion face shields can substitute for masks.  They are substitutes for goggles, not masks.

Are we even sure at this late date if they're going to try to have a season?  The only way it could possibly work is setting up a bubble like the NHL and NBA, and that's not happening.

 

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14 hours ago, meowmommy said:

.  First time they've had two teams on at the same time, I'm pretty sure.

before the Rams were in St. Louis, they were in LA.    During the 80s and into the 90s, the Raiders were also there.   Both teams eventually left.   LA was held out as a threat to teams wanting a new stadium by saying they would move there if they didn't get one.    To which people would point out -- they HAD 2 teams and couldn't keep them.   LA despite being a huge tv market really is not a pro football town.   The Rams which had great attendance in St. Louis is struggling and the Chargers which did not have great attendance in SD, cannot even fill a soccer stadium in LA.   

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3 hours ago, merylinkid said:

before the Rams were in St. Louis, they were in LA.    During the 80s and into the 90s, the Raiders were also there.   Both teams eventually left.   LA was held out as a threat to teams wanting a new stadium by saying they would move there if they didn't get one.    To which people would point out -- they HAD 2 teams and couldn't keep them.   LA despite being a huge tv market really is not a pro football town.   The Rams which had great attendance in St. Louis is struggling and the Chargers which did not have great attendance in SD, cannot even fill a soccer stadium in LA.   

I know the history.  My point was that Hard Knocks has never had two teams on at the same time.

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NFL puts some teams on hold while looking into COVID-19 tests from New Jersey lab

After further tests, they think this is a lab error that produced false positives, but not good.

I really hope all of the sports leagues are providing data to public health authorities, epidemiologists etc.  They have multiple tests a week testing for everyone involved, retests for positive results, multiple types of tests used and fast return on results. There's got to be useful information on test effectiveness, false positives etc. there.

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