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Why did they always do time jumps? I am not sure it worked for this show for me.

I loved Tate Donovan's character.

I was thinking of that also... time jumps and suicides. Not that I minded all that much but it caused me to replay some episodes.

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I just finished season one and I loved it and am starting season 2. Wish there was some discussion about the show, but I realize it's old.

You can discuss it with me. I just finished the entire series. Binged watched it last week...

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Ok, but remember I have just finished one season so do not want spoilers! Do we know for sure that Patty tried to kill Ellen? And why was her son home that night and why did he lie about it? These are two things that left me confused.

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No spoilers here. I mistakenly read one on my favorite show and it devastated me.

 

The answers to your questions involve too many episodes so I will refrain. 

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I guess there may not be discussion until many more episodes have been watched since the plotting is so intricate. About the storyline. How about that Cocoa, cutest dog ever!!

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I LOVE this show. It had its ups and downs but I'm glad it ended on a high note. Season 5 was great. The best after the first season (which is hard to beat). I also really loved season 3 which seems somewhat unpopular.

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I never bought Ellen as a foil for Patty. Neither the character nor the actress could stand up against Patty or Close. It seriously made it not 100% enjoyable for me. I loved the show but it would'be been better if Ellen was written stronger and/or if a better actress played her. Close is a powerhouse. Byrne is very much...not.

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Ok, but remember I have just finished one season so do not want spoilers! Do we know for sure that Patty tried to kill Ellen? And why was her son home that night and why did he lie about it? These are two things that left me confused.

 

I watched all of the seasons when they were first on, and though I don't remember a lot of details I'm pretty sure "these are x things that left me confused" is something you will be saying a lot :)  I enjoyed every season of the show.

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I am through season 3 now. I will say that I found it infinitely better than season 2. I do think the show is a bit heavy-handed sometimes with the frequent time jump reminders, but I found the resolution of the various plot lines to be pretty satisfying.

I think I wish the time jumps didn't exist at all though. Tom's death in the finale would have been a truly shocking, raw moment if it had all played out in sequence. But since it had been played up all season, you're just kind of numb to it. I really liked Tom's character. I agree that Ellen is kind of the weak link.

I can't tell if I'm supposed to root for Party as a main character or not. Deliberately disobeying doctor's orders in order to kill your unborn child is a pretty terrible thing to get past. But I suppose it can't be all black and white.

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I just started rewatching and I remember the reason why I loved it so much. While Byrne is nowhere near the actress Glenn Close is, she and Glenn have insane chemistry. I've never seen a TV show that has such sexual tension and chemistry between two females who are not in a relationship, and who's played mentor-mentee for most of the time.

 

Their back-and-forth banter makes the series worth rewatching again and again.Lots of double entendre between the two. I think this may be the one I liked the most:

 

Patty: So you're not mad I replaced you?

Ellen: Patty, you hired someone. You didn't replace me.

 

My favorite is Season 1. Season 3 was great up until the finale, I was just mostly WTF with that. I think the series ended ok, but I wish it would have been better, if that makes sense. The less said about Season 2, the better. Ugh, all that momentum and goodwill from Season 1 washed away by the stink of that season.

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And that's a wrap.  5 seasons in the books.  Overall it was a very good show.  FAR from perfect, but greatly enjoyable.

 

I did not particularly care for season 4, until the last few episodes.  Way too many times that season of the bad guys about to go down until some magical twist in the last 2 minutes of the episode that saved them for another week.  Though I did like the resolution.

 

Season 5 was good.  I literally just finished the finale, so I think it may need time to sink in a little bit, but overall I'm not sure I liked it.  I was actually very excited for the McLaren trial to begin since we've spent the whole season building up to it, and all of a sudden it ends before it begins.  And I was thinking it was kind of amazing that for a legal show, I don't think we were ever actually in a trial until that brief cameo in the finale.

 

As for the rest of the episode, I understand they wanted a continuity factor of Patty and Ellen talking on the same dock they did at the end of prior seasons, but was that place unavailable or something?  The green screen effect was HORRIBLE and really took me out of the scene.  I didn't really think Michael's death was earned.  I understand that he abandoned his child for the first few years of her life, but I had kind of migrated over to his team as the show went on (I guess Patty being such a horrible person could be responsible for that).

 

The story of the show was very good, but I must admit that the format of how it was told really grated on me by the midpoint of the second season.  The flash forwards served no purpose other than to continually yell "gotcha!" to the viewers, and endlessly supply cliffhangers.  There were a lot of cheap editing tricks at work, which really annoyed me when the core show underneath it was really good.  There was also some really cringe-worthy dialogue from time to time, but I guess that's standard for any show.  Overall, the Patty and Ellen dynamic is what holds the show together, and although Byrne can't stand up to Close, it's fascinating to watch these two characters evolve over the course of the series.

 

This had always been on my Netflix bucket list, and I'm glad I finally got around to it.  Pretty good stuff.

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I don't believe this series got its due. Yes, Rose Byrne and Ted Danson are revelations in this season. Don't let the muddle of the second season get you down. It regains form for the rest of the run.

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I don't believe this series got its due. Yes, Rose Byrne and Ted Danson are revelations in this season. Don't let the muddle of the second season get you down. It regains form for the rest of the run.

Yeah, the second season was a disjointed mess. I think Marcia Gay Harden had a contract clause which required the camera to pan over her legs in every scene.

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I love season 1, 3 and 5. I thought the show ended GREAT. I don't think season 2 was as awful as people keep saying and feel it's an exaggeration. Compared to the rest of the show season 2 and 4 aren't up to snuff, but still better than many other shows. But, yeah, as a whole it's a bit uneven season to season but not WILDLY uneven like, i.e, a Ryan Murphy show. 

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I remember S2 annoying me a lot at the time, with too many twists and trying to replicate what made S1 work. I've been meaning to rewatch.

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I remember S2 annoying me a lot at the time, with too many twists and trying to replicate what made S1 work. I've been meaning to rewatch.

S1 will always be he best for me. It's been a while but I think I remember S2 was good but not as good as S1 and maybe it was the third season that lost me. The one with the JG(I'll just use initials) Wasn't into that one at all. Then the finale season brought me back, that was good stuff.

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  23 hours ago, ApathyMonger said:

I remember S2 annoying me a lot at the time, with too many twists and trying to replicate what made S1 work. I've been meaning to rewatch.

S1 will always be he best for me. It's been a while but I think I remember S2 was good but not as good as S1 and maybe it was the third season that lost me. The one with the JG(I'll just use initials) Wasn't into that one at all. Then the finale season brought me back, that was good stuff.

I've just started the JG season. I'm glad to hear the final stretch is good. If S4 drags me down, that'll give me a reason to keep going.

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11 hours ago, MarkBlankenship said:

I've just started the JG season. I'm glad to hear the final stretch is good. If S4 drags me down, that'll give me a reason to keep going.

Aaah...Pressure! It's all subjective right? But I hope you do like the final season. It wasn't perfect,I remember there was a storyline that I thought, well why did they do that, it didn't really go anywhere. But after not liking S4, S5 made it all better.

Now see what you've done, you made me go and do some scanning of the S5 eps on Netflix to jog my memory.  Just generally speaking,the Patty/Ellen dynamic was a highlight for me. Glenn Close is downright scary sometimes in that role. I remember all throughout the series, I always had the feeling that she'd snap at anytime.   She deserved any awards she's gotten for it too.

And of course there had to be a HOLY SHIT! moment or two thrown in there. Whoo boy,there was one right in the first ep, and like Damages does, it will draw out that WTF? moment until the end....and make you speculate the hell out of what you think happened. I liked that about the show....even though I'm awful at guessing.    Being as vague as possible here.

I tried to look back to see if I commented on the forum but don't see anything. I probably did post something at TWoP though. I'm curious what my initial reactions to S5 were, but I'm not going to look in the Wayback Machine to find it,takes too much digging around. Maybe one day though. 
But I will be curious to read your take on the rest of the seasons, especially S5. 

ENJOY Mark!   I hope!

BTW- do you watch Bloodline on Nextflix,since it's the same creators/writers of Damages?  It has a similar feel to it, with flashback/flashforward usage and such. It's really good.

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On 8 juli 2016 at 6:09 PM, MarkBlankenship said:

I've just started the JG season. I'm glad to hear the final stretch is good. If S4 drags me down, that'll give me a reason to keep going.

Season 4 lost me a bit, but season 5 is goddamn great. 

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Logic? In a legal thriller? :-) With the strength of the principals' acting, this season was a big improvement over S2 for me. I would still rank D'Onofrio as quirkier than Noonan.

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Yes! S4 WAS that good. Chris Messina and John Goodman were excellent, but Dylan Baker and the writers simply created one of the all time best TV antagonists that people don't know about.

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Was every actor in Hollywood a guest on this show???

Pretty much! I'm on Season 5 now, and I've already seen Janet McTeer, Victor Garber and Alicia "Roseanne's original Becky" Goranson

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OK--yes, the Patty/Ellen conflict and resolution dominated this season. But Ryan Phillippe was looking pretty and acting pretty well as a Julian Assange type. Jenna Elfman of all people was good as a whistleblower. Janet McTeer proved what a great actor can make of not much of a part. And it's always nice to see John Hannah, excellent here in a fairly substantial role as Phillippe's second.

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Thanks for a great review.
I too enjoyed season 4, despite kind of reaching the point of being done with the show after too many red herrings and unfulfilled flashforwards in past seasons (e.g. Ellen asking Tom's wife in a season 3 flashforward, something in the lines of: "Did anyone else knew about us?" meaning her relationship with Tom, or at least what the show apparently was aiming at early on that season).

Absolutely agree about the dreams this season. Apart from the one in which Michael hugs Patty, the one that stood with me particularly with its use of symbolic imagery was Erickson's dream of 'crucifying' Sanchez in his compound, in front of his kids. As if Sanchez was symbolically being sacrificed for the sins of his "father", which in this case would be the head of High Star, Erickson himsef. Knowing how religious Erickson was, the dream made perfect sense imo. .

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I am having a season 1 marathon, and am totally sucked in AGAIN....this show was so f--king good.  Hey, don't make fun of Glenn's butch blouses, it's part of her being a power "top".  And, don't forget she always wears dainty little drop earrings that would be a year's salary for the rest of us.  She is so wonderfully evil evil evil.......I was just in the mood for something that I knew was going to be great, and it is just as nasty as I remember, ahhhhhhhh.   

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I am doing a marathon as well...have seen them all before, but enjoying again...I'll tell you they drink more on this show than the actors did in Mad Men.  There should be a drinking game for this show. Drink every time Patty just stares at another character and doesn't answer, drink every time every time Patty just gives a knowing look without saying anything, drink every time anybody just stares into space.  Oh, and drink every time Patty fires an attorney.  Drink every time Patty shows up in a butch button down shirt. Snort.

Martin Short is knocking it out of the park, comics really make the best dramatic actors don't ya think? 

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I am just watching this now, I'm not spoiled so far. I'm on ep 1.6. Took me a while to really get a sense of Frobisher and whether he was guilty or not. I guess he is.

The chick stalking David too much. I mean I assume Patty is paying her to break up David and Ellen, but I feel like the plot is convoluted.

The structure of the show with the flashbacks is identical to the Affair, which came after. Doean't surprise me if Treem ripped it off. I don't like Treem lol.

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