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Of course. The traditional round between "semifinals" and "finals".

 

If this is nothing but 10 randomly-paired 3-minute sets I will be very disappointed. Last year's format was great and I would have loved that again.

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If we're already paring it down to 5, what is the show this season, like a miniseries? I don't get it.

 

I don't blame the judges for putting Clayton through, because I like him. But I do blame the producers for putting him up against Joe List, who I thought was one of the strongest comics in the whole group.  When Norm said they both had a chance to win the whole thing, I was nodding my head yes. So save both of them! What kind of thinking went into that?

 

I hate that the judges like the dorky lady comic so much. I had to fast forward through her set after about a minute. She grates so much. I don't think this final 5 represents the best comics at all.

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The last three pairs were well paired. Sheng/ Dominique, Andi/ Ryan and Clayton English/ Joe List each did very well and I would have been okay if the other of the pair had made it ( instead of the three who did.)

 

I missed Taylor Thompson and her "partner"'s sets, but I caught the other four. I enjoyed Francisco's set about as much as Ian's but neither really got me laughing like the last six. Obviously, mileage is going to vary.

 

There are people who didn't enjoy Gillian Anderson's character on Hannibal due to how her character spoke. I want them to sit through a supercut of Norm's critiques in full.

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Of course. The traditional round between "semifinals" and "finals".

If this is nothing but 10 randomly-paired 3-minute sets I will be very disappointed. Last year's format was great and I would have loved that again.

That's exactly what it was. This season doesn't even make any sense. I thought all the shows leading up to the top ten were basically audition rounds and that the regular show would start this week. Now I find out that once the top ten is selected that there are only two episodes left. I felt like the real show just stated and now next week is the finale already. What happened to the regular show? I was hoping we would get a chance to get to know the top ten before they slashed the numbers in half.

Anyway, first match up, I preferred Taylor over the other guy (Matt?) but I thought they were both pretty good.

I was annoyed that Francisco and Ian went head to head because I was hoping to lose them both. Out of the two I guess Ian is less obnoxious but that's not saying much. I don't know what's dumber, jokes about stupid sex faces or jokes about saggy vaginas.

I'm really disappointed that Shang didn't make it. I thought Dominique was better this week than last week but Shang was still funnier tonight.

I wasn't really feeling Andi or the other guy (Ryan?) so I didn't really care who went. I did kind of like her wing joke though.

I thought Clayton and Joe were both good tonight but I liked Joe just a little bit better. Maybe it's because I have a baby right now and I'm in baby mode but I really liked his jokes. Maybe my baby's just itchy.

My perfect final five would have been

Taylor, Shang, Clayton, Joe and Guy that went against Taylor

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My perfect final five would have been

Taylor, Shang, Clayton, Joe and Guy that went against Taylor

 

Michael is the one who went against Taylor. Those would be my choices too. 

 

Dominique usually has an interesting setup,  but her punchlines are never as funny as they could be. She needs a joke doctor. I think if Shang could cut down on the setup to his jokes he would go over better. He probably has fewer punchlines than any other comedian in the competition. 

 

The host may have been the funniest guy on stage tonight, zinging Roseanne and Norm.

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What's the point of this show? Turns out a comedian will only need to perform four times at most. That's $62,500 per set for the winner. The competitors from American Ninja Warrior get more coverage than this crop of comics. Hell of a gig for Anthony, Keenan, Roseanne and the Colonel.

 

May NBC put this show back six feet under, and may they never get the urge to dig it up yet again.

 

ETA: Turns out Comedy Central will be running the last two episodes of Key & Peele next week. I'm thinking I'm going to DVR LCS and take my sweet time getting around to watching it.

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If we're already paring it down to 5, what is the show this season, like a miniseries? I don't get it.

 

I don't blame the judges for putting Clayton through, because I like him. But I do blame the producers for putting him up against Joe List, who I thought was one of the strongest comics in the whole group.  When Norm said they both had a chance to win the whole thing, I was nodding my head yes. So save both of them! What kind of thinking went into that?

 

I hate that the judges like the dorky lady comic so much. I had to fast forward through her set after about a minute. She grates so much. I don't think this final 5 represents the best comics at all.

Right!  Save BOTH Clayton and Joe Lis, and get rid of BOTH Francisco and Ian.

 

Dorky-lady , Andi?  I can't even watch.  Her right wing/left wing shit was STUPID,  I hated that Roseanne was cackling so much about it. 

I'm not crazy about Dominique, either.  Hasn't that all been done before?  Not one thing she said was funny.

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Ian Bagg sucked. First time he did cheap boob "jokes," this time he did cheap big-vagina "jokes." Are any of his jokes NOT intended to humiliate women? I'm not some pearl-clutching Bible thumper, but saying women who have had big babies have big vaginas is just STUPID.

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This was just disappointing -- the truncated season, the lack of challenges and getting to know the contestants, and the utterly transparent forcing through of inferior comics just to fill roles. There weren't many funny women this season, but I am positive there were at least two better than Dominique (meh) and Andy (UGH SHUT UP and stop standing pigeon-toed). Sheng absolutely should have gone farther than MFing Ian Bagg and his whimsical world of female anatomy abuse. As frustrated as I was with last season, it seems like a beautiful fairy tale compared to this insulting throwaway.

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Inconceivable to me that Dominique beat Sheng Wang.  (The recapper doesn't believe it either.) 

 

Each of the three times I've seen Sheng, I wound up considering something in a slightly different light, so I'm putting him in the "cerebral comedy" category--which I find the most interesting and most difficult, if not always an instant rib-splitter.

 

Dominique's shtick last night was to describe something odd--a guy wearing sweat pants at his own funeral, a casket that's too short--and then conclude "THAT AIN'T RIGHT!"

 

Which is exactly what I said about the whole show.

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I thought it was a wash between Taylor Tomlinson and Michael Palascak. Found Ian Bagg just naturally funnier than Francisco Ramos - I would actually watch a one-hour standup special with Ian Bagg. And I guess I'm alone on my little island but I've watched three of Sheng Wang's sets now and have never so much as cracked a smile. Didn't get the bit with the landlord at all - maybe it's too New York specific for me. Dominique's set was weak too but she has better delivery. Sheng Wang's delivery is just so slow and dull. 

 

However, I would have definitely picked Ryan Conner over Andi Erikson. Erikson is just weird. She has a comical personality but her jokes are something an eight-year old would tell. The judges' gripe about Ryan seemed to be that his joke was too edgy for his persona or something. Seemed like a lame excuse to push the "quirky" comic through.

 

I did think Clayton English was better than Joe List, but I pegged Clayton as the winner back in the invitational rounds. The judges are overly enamored with him, and I'm just not. Cards on the table - I just can't relate to his whole "I'm black and poor" shtick and that seems like his whole act.

 

 

the utterly transparent forcing through of inferior comics just to fill roles.

 

This. For the past several weeks I've been sort of flummoxed by the choices in who advances. None of the top ten are really star material IMO. It feels more like typical reality show casting - an effort to fill "roles" and have as much diversity in the top 10 rather than the 10 funniest comics who competed in this thing.

 

That being the case it's for the best that this is such an abbreviated season.

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I'm just so disappointed in the format I can't even get into any of the comics.  They're all fine in their own way, although I thought Andi had one of her weakest sets and Ryan's "porn name" bit probably gave me the longest continuous laughter of the night.

 

IMHO the only clear winner of the season was Jeselnik. He's got the mix of pre-written introductions and ad-libs and is easily the best host the show's ever had.

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The little duo challenge seems unfair to me because it is the luck of who you are paired with. I'm not crazy about Taylor, for example, but I thought she was better than the dude who booted her out. Weeding them out by the twos kind of blows for me.

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It feels more like typical reality show casting - an effort to fill "roles" and have as much diversity in the top 10 rather than the 10 funniest comics who competed in this thing.

 

 

This. See my posting in the media thread for what past contestants have said about their experience on LCS.

 

I've come to the conclusion (real or imagined) that my sense of humor is so vastly different from the rest of the world's, including that of the judges on this show. The biggest laugh of the night was my guffaws from my couch when Dominique won her round. I didn't like her last week and liked her even less this week. Then she WON! Most hilarious moment EVER on this episode.

 

The only set I agreed on was the last one, Clayton. But by that time I didn't care who went through.

 

I've discovered Norm is offended by anything that doesn't align with his views of religion and politics. Don't you DARE make fun of a conflicting view, or you are toast. He clearly was "burnt" by Andi's political wing joke. I'm guessing he was the Jesus arm with the gun. Ouch, Norm!

 

I hated Ian Bagg last week for his entire set consisting of "jokes" (I'm being generous as NONE of it was funny) about punching women in the boobs. This week I would have castrated him for his entire set being about saggy vaginas that make noise when one of his audience members (whom I assume made the mistake of PAYING to see him) went outside, and physical "comedy" about popping a baby out ... "Look, I'm so funny, this is how I birth a baby!" "Sploosh!"

 

I was offended by Roseanne laughing at his "joke" at her vagina's expense.

 

I'd LOVE to see Bagg do a full set of old-man-limp-penis-and-saggy-testicle jokes. Turn about is fair play, Bagg you cretan. Bring it on.

 

Bye, Sheng. You are too good for this show.

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OMG I totally LOVE Sheng. His set was not his best, but he is so hilarious. I will follow him and hope to see him make it huge.

 

If Ian is going to do vagina jokes he should mix in some dude anatomy material as well. Otherwise he comes off like an ass.

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I hated Ian Bagg last week for his entire set consisting of "jokes" (I'm being generous as NONE of it was funny) about punching women in the boobs. This week I would have castrated him for his entire set being about saggy vaginas that make noise when one of his audience members (whom I assume made the mistake of PAYING to see him) went outside, and physical "comedy" about popping a baby out ... "Look, I'm so funny, this is how I birth a baby!" "Sploosh!"

 

I was offended by Roseanne laughing at his "joke" at her vagina's expense.

 

I'd LOVE to see Bagg do a full set of old-man-limp-penis-and-saggy-testicle jokes. Turn about is fair play, Bagg you cretan. Bring it on.

 

 

*standing ovation*

 

I do NOT understand how anyone can find Ian Bagg funny. There are a couple fans in this thread and I'm like "what?" My husband watched the latest episode this morning with me and when this guy won he was like "that wasn't funny. At all." I said, "you should have seen his last set. He said he wanted to line up a bunch of women and punch them in the boobs." He stared at me and said "...and somebody thought that was funny?" See, Bagg isn't even funny in the abstract!

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I hated Ian Bagg last week for his entire set consisting of "jokes" (I'm being generous as NONE of it was funny) about punching women in the boobs. This week I would have castrated him for his entire set being about saggy vaginas that make noise when one of his audience members (whom I assume made the mistake of PAYING to see him) went outside, and physical "comedy" about popping a baby out ... "Look, I'm so funny, this is how I birth a baby!" "Sploosh!"

 

Yeah, his set made me uncomfortable, then angry, then outraged.   

If a woman who has given birth wants to make fun of the changes in her body - go for it.   If you're a man, look down, find something about your OWN body to make fun of.  

Ian isn't funny, he's just an asshole who hates women.  

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Yeah, his set made me uncomfortable, then angry, then outraged.   

If a woman who has given birth wants to make fun of the changes in her body - go for it.   If you're a man, look down, find something about your OWN body to make fun of.  

Ian isn't funny, he's just an asshole who hates women.  

 

Exactly! He might have saved the set if he had looked down and said "yeah, I should talk. I look like I'm about to enter my third trimester." A little self-deprecation can make some of his garbage forgivable, but he seems to think he is just King Shit of Turd Mountain or something.

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I liked how they've done this show in the past, when the final 10 would all move into a house together and, each week, they'd have some competition to win.  They'd go to Universal Studios and take over as a tour director, or they'd have to entertain a group of 1st graders or something.  Then, they'd each vote for the weakest comedian, and the bottom two would go head-to-head.  Or something like that.  

 

One season, the 2 lowest-ranked comedians had to ride a short school bus to the venue where'd they'd compete for survival!

 

(I remember in S1, nobody in the house liked Dat Phan, the eventual winner, because he was a new, inexperienced comic who was extremely serious.  Everyone convinced him to play Hide-and-Seek with them, and then they didn't bother looking for him.  He emerged from his hidey-hole 2 HOURS later, wondering why no one could find him! LOL)

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I was so disappointed in Sheng; this was his weakest performance.  Hated that he lost to Dominique, who did her best performance, even though it still wasn't that good.  

 

I knew the judges would put the silly woman Andy through, no matter how much she sucked or who she went up against.

 

I hate that they put Joe List up against Clayton because I liked both.  

 

I like Ian Bagg.

 

This is a rather mediocre bunch compared to past seasons.  I predict the final two will be Ian and Clayton.  

 

I don't care who wins as long as it's not Dominique or that other stupid woman. 

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I'm okay with Clayton going through because I liked Clayton's set more than Joe List's tonight (and I'm a fan of Joe's). Same with Sheng Wang. I just wish the producers could have put them up against Francisco Ramos and Ian Baggs so we would get to see their final 5 set. The whole head-to-head thing seems like an unfair way to find the best comedian since you could theoretically boot out the second best person on the show before their time.

 

Andy Erikson was insufferable as usual. She had a joke about the element of surprise that I suspect was taken from one of the more watched stand up videos on Youtube (1.5 million views): https://youtu.be/Ej8EaLF382c?t=312

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Can someone who likes Ian Bagg just please try to explain the appeal? Obviously many folks find him amusing, so I will keep an open mind about this, but just please explain why he is funny. Or what he says that is funny, even. Just a list, or something. Thank you in advance for your cooperation on this matter :)

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I will concede that Ian Bagg is an ass, but I did giggle at "get me my eatin shorts"..... because ...I have eatin shorts. [/TMI]

 

The whole baby weight/vagina thing was a horror, especially since the first thing everyone asks after a birth is, "how much does the baby weigh?"  -- which seems kind of personal imo. [/im weird]

 

I agree with all who said the duet thing can knock out someone good and a lesser comic skates through because of how they were matched. I think they should have had the option of keeping both or booting both.

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Lots of negativity here! 

 

Let me add to it :)

 

What a weird, clunker of a season. There are some good comedians there, but the format of the show hasn't let them really shine. By the end of the season we'll have seen each of the top 5 for all of 13 minutes screen time? I don't know what they were thinking here.

 

I don't think Ian Bagg is offensive in a "he hates women" sort of way, but he clearly enjoys walking the "that's so crude/gross it's offensive" line. I laughed a few times, but that's not generally the kind of comedy I like. But as the judges point out, he is clearly a master at working the audience. They were so into him. That just doesn't translate well to TV.

 

Francisco has a good gag - he makes funny-weird facial expressions and body movements. But that's all he's got. His "material" is just buildup for making another funny face. He might make a good opening act, but I don't see much else there.

 

Dominique has some funny concepts but I don't think she's very good at turning them into funny jokes, or a funny act. Guy in sweats in a casket? There's a good set to be had there, but she didn't have it. (The only time she made me laugh was last week's Paula Dean bit!)

 

Clayton was a shoe-in, the judges love him, so I really wish they'd paired a weaker comedian against him. Sad to see Joe gone.

 

Sheng has some of the best material of all of them, but I'm not sure his persona is working. There's so much buildup that he can never get into a rhythm. Might be bad editing though.

 

Andy is a disaster. It's sort of cutesy-funny for a few minutes, then it gets intolerable for me. 

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The only time she made me laugh was last week's Paula Dean bit!

 

 

I believe you are thinking of Ms. Pat, not the completely unfunny Dominique. You know, Ms. Pat, who did not make it to this week.

 

I guess it doesn't matter who was paired with whom since I am positive TPTB if not the judges made the pairings and the winners were pre-determined. I agree with the poster who said the host was the real winner, with the best lines of the night. HIM for the win! (Okay, so I can't remember his name. You guys know who I mean.)

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Yes, that's him! (I will never remember "Jeselnik" though.) Thanks! I do like him, he's snarky, although I get the feeling he would really  "let it blast" in a live unscripted show though. But he's a good fit on LCS IMO (So many initials!). I thought he was funny trying to get Andi off the stage.

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I thought he was funny trying to get Andi off the stage.

I've warmed up to him--a little.  I was cracking up though when he was trying to get that woman off the stage.

 

I still find it hard to believe that out of all the female comedians who tried out that Dominique and Andy are left standing.  

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I believe you are thinking of Ms. Pat, not the completely unfunny Dominique. You know, Ms. Pat, who did not make it to this week.

I guess it doesn't matter who was paired with whom since I am positive TPTB if not the judges made the pairings and the winners were pre-determined. I agree with the poster who said the host was the real winner, with the best lines of the night. HIM for the win! (Okay, so I can't remember his name. You guys know who I mean.)

Darn it! I guess I can't recall ANY of Dominiques previous performances then.

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Ms. Pat was the one who got hit by the dump truck, right? I liked her better than Dominique, for sure. A lot of the comics kind of blend together for me, though, because they have raced through this season so quickly. 

 

That guy who went up against Taylor Tomlinson, I don't even remember his name...his mis-buttoned vest was super distracting. Did anyone else notice that?

 

I will concede that Ian Bagg is an ass, but I did giggle at "get me my eatin shorts"..... because ...I have eatin shorts. [/TMI]

 

 

"Eatin' shorts" wasn't a bad line, I concur that one must own a pair of eatin' shorts (mine have an elastic waistband for easy bingeing). ;)

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There is already one Maria Bamford. Andy is 2.0 imo.

 

Sheng got screwed. This was not his best set, but overall, I love him.

 

Jeselnick (sp?) is so dry and sarcastic. I enjoy that. Norm is a downer for me, but I've never really been a Norm fan. So there's that.

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I guess I can't recall ANY of Dominiques previous performances then.

 

 

Count yourself lucky. Although I have to admit that I mind-wandered during her set last night, so I pretty much can't remember any of her performances, either. I DO remember Ms. Pat talking about wanting more chefs to talk racist so she could get their pots and pan on cheap sale. 

 

Although you'll have another chance to see Dominique next week (heh) since she WON! her set last night. (Ugh.)

 

The only other LOL I did last night (other than seeing the above beat Sheng) was the guy who had the shampoo that could also be used on horses. Having horses, that struck me as funny. I totally relate to sharing shampoo with the "kids in the barn."

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Can someone who likes Ian Bagg just please try to explain the appeal? Obviously many folks find him amusing, so I will keep an open mind about this, but just please explain why he is funny. Or what he says that is funny, even. Just a list, or something. Thank you in advance for your cooperation on this matter :)

I'll try, although he's not really my style of comedy either.

 

It's often said that comedy comes from the unexpected. Bagg does rapid-fire absurdist comedy with a great deal of crowd interaction, and in so doing is constantly conveying weird concepts that surprise the audience. It works even better in person and with an audience member being interrogated, as you're surrounded by the premise of "this is so ridiculous there's no response to it."  

 

For example: "How long have you been married? Wow, how do you guys keep it interesting? Ever swap false teeth and grin at each other? Does he ever jump out of the closet naked with a boner and a box of Cheeze-Its?"  That's not a clever observation which holds up in repetition, nor is it meant to be. It's part of the momentum of a set that just overwhelms with absurdity. Especially delivered with the right inflection and pacing for the room.  Think of it like an five-year-old's imagination but with the depth and experience to craft a full set.

 

(And if you're in disbelief that anyone would find a five-year-old's imagination entertaining, I'd point you to the success of Axe Cop as another example.)

 

Now again, not my thing. I prefer something that's a little more cerebral. But I think he'd be funny in person, and I bet any of us would find him hilarious to have dinner with.

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I'll try, although he's not really my style of comedy either.

 

It's often said that comedy comes from the unexpected. Bagg does rapid-fire absurdist comedy with a great deal of crowd interaction, and in so doing is constantly conveying weird concepts that surprise the audience. It works even better in person and with an audience member being interrogated, as you're surrounded by the premise of "this is so ridiculous there's no response to it."  

 

For example: "How long have you been married? Wow, how do you guys keep it interesting? Ever swap false teeth and grin at each other? Does he ever jump out of the closet naked with a boner and a box of Cheeze-Its?"  That's not a clever observation which holds up in repetition, nor is it meant to be. It's part of the momentum of a set that just overwhelms with absurdity. Especially delivered with the right inflection and pacing for the room.  Think of it like an five-year-old's imagination but with the depth and experience to craft a full set.

 

(And if you're in disbelief that anyone would find a five-year-old's imagination entertaining, I'd point you to the success of Axe Cop as another example.)

 

Now again, not my thing. I prefer something that's a little more cerebral. But I think he'd be funny in person, and I bet any of us would find him hilarious to have dinner with.

 

Thanks Amarsir for an excellent explanation! I guess his audience-participation style works better in person, because he's not really engaging the viewing audience, just the audience in the room. He probably would be more fun at a dinner party...like the drunk, inappropriate uncle at the family Christmas that offends the shit out of everyone, but they've got GREAT stories about it for years to come. ;)

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Now again, not my thing. I prefer something that's a little more cerebral. But I think he'd be funny in person, and I bet any of us would find him hilarious to have dinner with.

I really don't think I would. I'm so tired of stupid, juvenile comedy, I would actually avoid him. It bugs me a bit that none of the judges says anything about the sexist nature of his sets, and won't, I'm sure, because the only woman judge is completely useless. Where's the loud-mouth, opinionated Roseanne of years past? That's who we need here.

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So the best two of the whole night have to go against eachother last and one has to leave? I can't believe some of them made it over others just because of the pairings.

It's silly to have this show if the season is going to be so short. They used to give much more mentoring and help. They just Eliminated half of the people and are going to have a 5 person Finale. No shows do this.

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I guess it doesn't matter who was paired with whom since I am positive TPTB if not the judges made the pairings and the winners were pre-determined.

 

This.  I hated that the pairings were pre-determined. They should have shown the comics picking a name from a hat or something. This just seems like the judges chose the winner weeks ago and are just working backward now to make the eliminations work out "coirrectly".

 

The only ones of the Top 5 that I like are the first guy (Mike? Michael?) and - relunctantly - Ian Bagg. I hate Andi and Dominique and the other 2 are take-'em-or-leave-'em.

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So, all along I have been thinking that maybe the reason why I didn't find some of the people that went through to the next round as hilarious as the judges did was because I didn't hear their whole set.  I figured that they left out some of it so that they could do those jokes at a later point in the competiton.  But, no.  There is no later part o the competition for them to bring out that material.  Which means that what I saw/heard was the best of their set.  Sigh. 

 

I'd LOVE to see Bagg do a full set of old-man-limp-penis-and-saggy-testicle jokes. Turn about is fair play, Bagg you cretan. Bring it on.

 

I wouldn't mind watching that too, but only if he includes a "joke" about lining up a bunch of men and slapping their penises like a picket fence. 

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She does it on purpose to look quirky. Each time I have seen her specifically place her feet that way. Like her hair style--it's all a gimmick. She told 3 jokes I think. 3 jokes.

Well I hate it! It doesn't look quirky. It looks like her parents should've had her in physical therapy 25 years ago.

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 This just seems like the judges chose the winner weeks ago and are just working backward now to make the eliminations work out "coirrectly".

 

I agree. 

 

I was immediately disappointed when I saw the first two were Michael and Taylor, because I like them both.  It was almost 50/50 for me, but I think I preferred him a bit.  But I wanted to see more from both.  :(   Then I can't even believe Sheng and Dominique.  I don't get her appeal at all!  Sheng was my favorite.  So original.  I would have preferred the top 5 to be Michael, AND Taylor, Sheng, Clayton, and Joe List.  I never need to see Ian Bagg again, period.  Very disappointed.  I think Clayton will win, but then again, I can't figure out what these judges are thinking.

She does it on purpose to look quirky.  Each time I have seen her specifically place her feet that way.  Like her hair style--it's all a gimmick.  She told 3 jokes I think.  3 jokes.

At least she told jokes.  Dominique just tells some rambling, sort of funny story about a dead relative, with no punch line.  I felt like I was listening to someone blathering away next to me at the hair salon.

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