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10 hours ago, supposebly said:

No kidding. Who was asking for this? I loved the few early years (maybe until the 5th?) but no. No more procedurals with the quirky middle-aged white male genius at the helm for me. It's time to put that kind of character to rest. Permanently.

Middle aged? Maybe in 2000 he was, but dude is a senior citizen now. Lol

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6 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

Middle aged? Maybe in 2000 he was, but dude is a senior citizen now. Lol

If you want to see how 68 years looks  on him, here he is just 4 months ago... 

 

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In crazy news, you know that new take on MacGyver? Is it a remake or spinoff? Turns out, there's a lawsuit involved. For fuck's sake, how much money justifies being that nitpicky? Do legal people when they see this sort of nonsense? It has nothing to do with the actual law, it's just making sure certain people get money and others don't. It just feels like petty bickering and a waste of time.

Though if I were forced to make a call, I'd say that remakes aren't spinoffs. Spinoffs share universes. Characters can interact. A remake is a fresh take at the same premise. However, if you want to call a burger a sandwich, I don't care enough to argue about it.

Edit. Do legal types groan when they see this nonsense?

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Ugh. The more I hear about this Flintstones sequel series, the less I like it. Yes, they've actually done Pebbles and Bam Bam as older before, but unlike those other times this one's going to focus on Fred and the others kind of being the Stone Age equivalent of Boomers. Or apparently it's now going to be "The Bronze Age".  Haha. Very funny. 

Elizabeth Banks doesn't get a pass just because it's nice to have a female Producer/creator.  She did the last Charlies Angels and made dog food out of it. And face it, the Pitch Perfect movies are kind of crap.  

Ugh. I'd like to be proven wrong. 

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3 hours ago, Kromm said:

Ugh. The more I hear about this Flintstones sequel series, the less I like it. Yes, they've actually done Pebbles and Bam Bam as older before, but unlike those other times this one's going to focus on Fred and the others kind of being the Stone Age equivalent of Boomers. Or apparently it's now going to be "The Bronze Age".  Haha. Very funny. 

Elizabeth Banks doesn't get a pass just because it's nice to have a female Producer/creator.  She did the last Charlies Angels and made dog food out of it. And face it, the Pitch Perfect movies are kind of crap.  

Ugh. I'd like to be proven wrong. 

Is this series going to be animated or live action?

 

I recall the Flintstone Kids- which was an odd name since 'Freddy' was too young to even date Wilma even though the quartet all knew each other in cave grade school. So I didn't get why they didn't call the show Flintstone Kid+ Pals.  The best that can be said for that it was better than the Jellystone cub days prequel known as . .. Yo, Yogi!

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12 hours ago, Blergh said:

I recall the Flintstone Kids- which was an odd name since 'Freddy' was too young to even date Wilma even though the quartet all knew each other in cave grade school.

I take that show with a grain of salt.  There were two versions that I remember from the original show of how Fred & Wilma got together.  In an early episode, Fred & Wilma met and dated in HS (Wilma goes through some old things and finds some love poems he wrote to her), the other was a flashback in which all four met at a Stone Age version of a Catskills resort in which they had summer jobs and had never met previously.

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 The more I hear about this Flintstones sequel series, the less I like it. 

Makes one yearn for Seth MacFarland's version doesn't it??!!  Never thought I'd say that!

Since he did so well with The Orville, maybe he would have done well with The Flintstones.

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1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Actually, I think I'd be more inclined to give a Seth show a look. 

I'd have been just fine with his version.  Unlike Elizabeth Banks I trust him not to reinvent just for the hell of it, like in that stinky Charlie's Angels, or believe the cheesy aspects are the only ones that matter, as has happened in any Pitch Perfect sequel. McFarlane loves his cheese, but I think understands different applications of it. 

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I just saw that the new version of The Wonder Years got picked up to series. 

My split-second first reaction at seeing that a Wonder Years reboot would happen, and be set in the exact same period was "why?"

But that was before I got to the part about it being about a black family. And set parallel to the original series intentionally. I mean they can't actually do crossovers, due to cast members aging (plus the settings making it pretty unlikely they'd encounter each other) but the contrast being subtle and something you have to think about isn't a bad idea. 

The whole thing is actually an incredible idea.  The stories to be told are very different, and actually probably very necessary.  The reuse of the branding makes a point, and a good one.  This is that rare thing: a reboot that may turn out to be a really good thing. 

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11 minutes ago, Kromm said:

But that was before I got to the part about it being about a black family. And set parallel to the original series intentionally.

When you say set parallel, are they now setting it in the same environment as the original, or is this new one still set in an Atlanta suburb?  Because I'd be a lot more interested in seeing how a Black family in the same area experienced life compared to the Arnolds than yet another period piece set in the South, like that's the only place racism existed.

But, as I said originally, I'll give it a look, as I think it's an interesting idea.  And I'd hope that in this day and age, the gender-based experiences of the female characters will be explored a lot better than in the original.

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48 minutes ago, Bastet said:

When you say set parallel, are they now setting it in the same environment as the original, or is this new one still set in an Atlanta suburb?  Because I'd be a lot more interested in seeing how a Black family in the same area experienced life compared to the Arnolds than yet another period piece set in the South, like that's the only place racism existed.

But, as I said originally, I'll give it a look, as I think it's an interesting idea.  And I'd hope that in this day and age, the gender-based experiences of the female characters will be explored a lot better than in the original.

Still in the South, but in Montgomery, Alabama.  So the epicenter of the civil rights struggle. This would clearly be set years after the bus boycott, but stuff like the church bombings in nearby communities probably would be concurrent with the opening of the series. 

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6 hours ago, Kromm said:

I mean they can't actually do crossovers,

There is one way they could.  (Other than the obvious route of having the old cast play different roles in the new series, and not members of the Arnold family.  (Fun stunt-casting idea: Danica as a math teacher, as a nice reference to her published work.))

The original series had Daniel Stern doing voice-overs as "Present Day" Kevin, telling the stories about his younger life that Fred Savage et al "lived through".  If they're planning to do the same format with this reboot, Stern and the new narrator could have a conversation about their respective youths and how certain major events played out from their different perspectives.

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7 hours ago, Kromm said:

I just saw that the new version of The Wonder Years got picked up to series. 

My split-second first reaction at seeing that a Wonder Years reboot would happen, and be set in the exact same period was "why?"

But that was before I got to the part about it being about a black family. And set parallel to the original series intentionally. I mean they can't actually do crossovers, due to cast members aging (plus the settings making it pretty unlikely they'd encounter each other) but the contrast being subtle and something you have to think about isn't a bad idea. 

The whole thing is actually an incredible idea.  The stories to be told are very different, and actually probably very necessary.  The reuse of the branding makes a point, and a good one.  This is that rare thing: a reboot that may turn out to be a really good thing. 

True, but I feel like I already saw that show, and it was called Any Day Now.

I personally feel like the show should have been set in a black Los Angeles suburb in 1991, leading up to the Rodney King riots. It would have had history that paralleled what we're seeing right now, and it would have had the effect of targeting Gen X parents and educating their kids a little. The 1960's Civil Rights movement has been done so much and interpreted in so many different ways, but the civil unrest in Los Angeles leading up to the 1992 riots is something that hasn't been explored as much.

However, I do think this could really work. The One Day at A Time reboot was well-received. 

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From what I've read that while the new Wonder Years show will bet set in Alabama during the Civil Rights movement, it isn't going to try to Forrest Gump its way through the turbulent political happenings.  It isn't going to try to capitalize on the black trauma of the moment and make it always a teachable moment but rather show that it was nostalgic and a "wonder years" for a young black boy as well.  Which, imo, is refreshing if they pull it off.

The family is a upwardly mobile black middle class family who live in the burbs.  The mother is an accountant and the father is a professor. 

I think it would be fascinating if they use some of the situations from the earlier show that Kevin might have found themselves himself in, growing pains moments or social dilemmas and have this kid experience them as well showing how some experiences are simply universal regardless of race and some may have a different flavor because of race. 

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Oh, that does look quite intriguing. Although, it needs to be said that them just getting a house in the suburbs in an Alabama city had to have been no mean feat during that time, I can imagine that their son  would ponder what  his own future could be during those times in which African-Americans were getting laws on the books to protect their rights which, no doubt, his own parents would have not been able to have imagined happening in their own lifetimes when they were his age (even if they themselves had grown up in the tiny but proud African-American middle class of Alabama).  And why would I not be surprised if his teen sister might wind up shocking their parents by following if not openly admiring Angela Davis and/or appreciating the music of Sly and the Family Stone!

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9 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I personally feel like the show should have been set in a black Los Angeles suburb in 1991, leading up to the Rodney King riots.

I think we discussed this before, but the setting in the 60s seems a cop out to me since it's so removed from us in actually having been around. 

I didn't live in LA in 1991, but I lived through it, watching it unfold in real time. It happened to people that we know and we still remember it. That's the real creative risk. This just strikes me as use of the nostalgia and the IP to get viewers tbh. 

10 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

The 1960's Civil Rights movement has been done so much and interpreted in so many different ways, but the civil unrest in Los Angeles leading up to the 1992 riots is something that hasn't been explored as much.

Which begs the question - what's the fresh take here? 

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1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Which begs the question - what's the fresh take here? 

Reading the description above, the fresh take is the story is not going to be all black trauma all of the time. We need to see black joy as well as the pain.  Middle class and above black families have existed for centuries in America, long before the Jeffersons and the Cosbys.  You have professional parents not maids and field hands.  

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2 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I didn't live in LA in 1991, but I lived through it, watching it unfold in real time. It happened to people that we know and we still remember it. That's the real creative risk.

I am NYC born and raised, but I was in graduate school at UCLA at the time, and it was scary as all get out. Not sure if I would want to watch a fictional version of the events.

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5 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Reading the description above, the fresh take is the story is not going to be all black trauma all of the time. We need to see black joy as well as the pain.  Middle class and above black families have existed for centuries in America, long before the Jeffersons and the Cosbys.  You have professional parents not maids and field hands.  

I hope that's what they deliver and not just do what Good Times (ironic title) already did.

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On 5/14/2021 at 7:22 PM, Kromm said:

I just saw that the new version of The Wonder Years got picked up to series. 

My split-second first reaction at seeing that a Wonder Years reboot would happen, and be set in the exact same period was "why?"

But that was before I got to the part about it being about a black family. And set parallel to the original series intentionally. I mean they can't actually do crossovers, due to cast members aging (plus the settings making it pretty unlikely they'd encounter each other) but the contrast being subtle and something you have to think about isn't a bad idea. 

The whole thing is actually an incredible idea.  The stories to be told are very different, and actually probably very necessary.  The reuse of the branding makes a point, and a good one.  This is that rare thing: a reboot that may turn out to be a really good thing. 

The idea of a different family living in a different state set aside the backdrop of the same era, experiencing situations and events incredibly differently than Kevin Arnold and Winnie Cooper would have is an interesting juxtaposition. The original show never explicitly stated where the Arnolds lived, but I don't think it was Alabama. Honestly, as long as I think about it not as a The Wonder Years reboot but a completely different show that is also set in suburbia in the 60s, I might be willing to watch the first episode if not more. 

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There's a teaser trailer for the new Wonder Years.  Also, that little kid looks like he could have grown up to become Don Cheadle.

 

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First... lucky Fred Savage for still making money off this. 

(never mind the second part!) 

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22 minutes ago, Kromm said:

cky Joe Cocker for still making money off this (even though he's not singing, he'll still get residuals). 

No he won’t, his version was a cover, Lennon and McCartney wrote the song. Whoever currently owns the rights to The Beatles catalogue, it’s been sold a few times, is who would get residuals.

Edited because I was curious Sony now owns it all after buying out the Jackson estate. 

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Duh. I forgot that.  

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5 hours ago, LexieLily said:

The original show never explicitly stated where the Arnolds lived, but I don't think it was Alabama.

I think it was supposed to be Long Island NY (Kevin often wore a NY Jets jacket) even though the exterior of the house they lived in screamed SoCal and no one except Dan Lauria sounded like they could be from that part of NY.

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4 minutes ago, magicdog said:

I think it was supposed to be Long Island NY (Kevin often wore a NY Jets jacket) even though the exterior of the house they lived in screamed SoCal and no one except Dan Lauria sounded like they could be from that part of NY.

They creators made a point to insist it could be  any middle class American suburb though one of the creators was from Long Island and the other Silver Springs, MD and the show drew on both their childhoods in addition to other writers.

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17 hours ago, LexieLily said:

 Honestly, as long as I think about it not as a The Wonder Years reboot but a completely different show that is also set in suburbia in the 60s, I might be willing to watch the first episode if not more. 

I'd be more likely to watch it if it were a completely different show. But the fact that this has no relationship to the other show but has the same name turns me off.

But I happily watched the The Kids are Alright and that got cancelled so what do I know.

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I watched a handful of the original Wonder Years and never got the appeal anyway. I probably wasn't the target demo. 

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On 5/19/2021 at 10:29 AM, DoctorAtomic said:

I watched a handful of the original Wonder Years and never got the appeal anyway. I probably wasn't the target demo. 

I liked the first few seasons.  It was a bit like A Christmas Story in that you see life's ups and downs as a 12 year old kid in 1968.  I was already an adult when it first premiered but I could still relate to some of the things Kevin dealt with - plus the voiceovers were pretty cool.   Seeing it from a black kid's perspective I don't think will change things significantly since some things are just universal (first crush, first kiss, nightmare teachers, sibling issues, etc.).  

If they wanted to do a Wonder Years: Anthology in which we saw less of Kevin (say 1-3 seasons) then focus on another 12 year old in another city (a girl in Detroit before or just after the riots?  A surfer boy living in Malibu or SF during the same time), maybe it would have been a better idea rather than trying to recreate the magic of the original. 

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It's a reboot. They not so much recreating any magic as banking on the nostalgia of original. Choosing a new setting would be too much of a challenge. 

 

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3 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Choosing a new setting would be too much of a challenge. 

 

They did choose a new setting because one they specifically chose one unlike the original and it’s not just going to be “any suburb USA” but Selma during the Civil Rights era.

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I meant era than setting re - the prior discussion about 1991 LA. That's a new setting. 

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I just came across the Leverage reboot trailer and have to say that is one that I'm glad to hear is coming back with 4 out of 5 original cast members plus Noah Wyle.

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On 5/19/2021 at 12:31 PM, janie jones said:

But I happily watched the The Kids are Alright and that got cancelled so what do I know.

Which again, makes me wonder what the audience for this show is, because the Baby Boomer nostalgia well has been so well-tapped at this point.

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14 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

Which again, makes me wonder what the audience for this show is, because the Baby Boomer nostalgia well has been so well-tapped at this point.

Perhaps when told from a white view point but tv certainly hasn’t even begun to touch that well of stories centered on black people that can both be specific and universal in different ways than the original. 

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4 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

I just came across the Leverage reboot trailer and have to say that is one that I'm glad to hear is coming back with 4 out of 5 original cast members plus Noah Wyle.

I've got all my fingers and toes crossed for that one. It has all the right ingredients to be as great as the original - but can they truly recapture the magic? Let us hope so!

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5 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Perhaps when told from a white view point but tv certainly hasn’t even begun to touch that well of stories centered on black people that can both be specific and universal in different ways than the original. 

And there is a dearth of TV and movie depictions of black joy in a historical context.  It's always trauma porn or survival never showing blacks thriving.  Middle class and above African Americans existed in America well before George Jefferson moved on up to a deluxe apartment in the sky.  

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I believe one of the sisters is not American so they plan to lean in on the cultural differences.  I mean, I am American and just seeing the term 'Trap Yoga Studio' makes me realize there is still I have a lot to learn about my own people.  😂

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Greta Gerwig probably would not be a buzzworthy director right now if she had been tied down to a series so the failure of the pilot worked out for her in the end. I adore Christopher Lowell- hope this works out.

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So, the Masters of the Universe: Revelation trailer is out, and I'll admit, I'm curious.  But I said that about Voltron and all the other reboots of cartoons I loved as a kid, and I haven't gotten around to actually watching any of them.

 

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I'm glad that I saw Perfect Strangers mentioned here, because I googled, and the original is on Hulu. Something lighter than I've been watching recently. 

I used to like The Wonder Years. I am the same age as Danica McKellar, and I thought it was sweet, but it's been years since I last watched it. I'll check out the reboot.

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On 2/10/2021 at 10:02 AM, methodwriter85 said:

I was into the first two seasons of the show but bailed by the last year. I think the last thing I remember was Killabelle going through an extreme case of SORAS and everybody on the boards hating her.

I also remember thinking that the little girl was a dead ringer for Miracle on 34th Street-era Natalie Wood, and then seeing Natalie Wood's daughter Natasha actually show up as the free-spirit sister of the agent that takes in Alien Abduction Natalie Wood. 

Knowing the CW everything's going to be sexed up and weird. I'd be shocked if they have the Child Natalie Wood character on the show unless they age her up to "16" and make her a love interest to Chad Faust and Patrick Flueger's characters. 

I liked the show when it aired - I miss being that excited for a TV show to premiere - but I hope they don't include a magic baby, who ages into an adult, in a matter of days or months, so that she can get into a relationship, or just have sex. 

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