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Why is that? I know another manager who is so afraid of confrontation or giving criticisms to his employees. He just got a promotion today too. 

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I am going to need bail money.  Going to strangle the Dip co-worker.  I have an all day event tomorrow, and Dip, who said loudly in manager's office, "oh I can help" took the fucking day off.  Apparently, Dip has been working with a caller to get them logged into the shitty website.  Caller apparently called Dip at home and Dip told them to email me, that I could fucking help them tomorrow.  Let me see, it will be me, myself, and I doing everything tomorrow.  Nope.  Plus, I would have to call using my cell phone, no landline at home.  I told this moron that I'd be working from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. at a minimum.  Then I'm supposed to handle calling someone at their home (specified a time to call), nope, not happening.  I almost texted her, going off, but I will decide how to play this, and play it better.  I've not been involved in logging into this website, but I did suggest that Dip write up a Guide to send out to folks.  Oh I did bullet points.  No, you moron, people need to see pictures:  here is screen 1, put your name here, enter, tab, whatever, then screen 2.  But that's too much work and the Dip is too stupid to do it.

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That's classic. Telling the boss they'll take care of something or handle a project then taking the day off or a half day and behind the scenes expecting someone they don't respect to pick up the slack. And it continues because the others aren't petty enough or willing to bitch about it or complain and if they boss realizes they don't give a damn since it still gets done.

it really sends a message though that the person thinks they are better than you and are basically using you as their personal assistant and toady while they get paid to be lazy &/or incompetent. 

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Well, I'm fired up today. I really hate my job sometimes (read: often).

I have an English degree and 20 years of work experience in editing. It really chaps my ass when I'm not given time to properly edit or proofread a document that leaves our department, and there are mistakes in a final version that goes to the client (making us look like fools). It really, really pisses me off when I'm condescendingly told not to "change" another's writing when that person had no problem changing my writing...ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY PLAGIARIZE FROM OTHER SOURCES AND CAN'T EVEN BOTHER TO PUNCTUATE ANYTHING PROPERLY.

I've said it dozens of times, and I'm saying it again: I don't tell brokers how to sell buildings. Don't tell me how to write and edit!

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You have sick time for a reason. That reason is: if you're SICK, stay home! I am so over people who come to work sick so they can save their sick time in case their kids get sick. Not my fucking problem, use vacation/PTO if your kids get sick. When they come to work sick then I get sick and when I get sick I get really, really sick.

Today someone in the lunch room said she woke up with a sore throat, body aches and chills. Uh, take your ass home you selfish bitch! I actually told her "so you woke up sick and decided to come to work so the rest of us get sick? I'll be sure to bill you for the antibiotics I'll have to take when you get me sick".

I don't even know her. The two women on the other side of the cube wall have been coming to work sick too, so they can save their sick time for their kids. Selfish fucking twats. I'm saving my sick time for the payout we're going to get in a few weeks so I'll drag my sick ass to work and repay the favor.

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I understand that except my company does not have paid sick days or personal days. And full time people only get vacation days after a year working there and it's only 5 days. 

Also I am in a 2 person dept and my supervisor is a slacker and selfish. For example I have a nasty cold but she only came in 2 days this week and on those days 3 hrs late and on one took a 2 hour break. Fine or whatever except we do the pricing for the grocery store so ideally if we advertise sales it's a quaint custom to do those changes in the computer so it rings right at the register by opening...and have the shelves and signs be accurate. But that's ok I can come in a 3am and do it all each day. 

besides her I also work with that disgusting derelict creep who aaaulted me yay 

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Oh the sick time thing.  That pisses me off.  People come in sick and if there's a bug within 50 miles, I seem to get it and get it worse.  One ex-co-worker actually made snide comments about it.  You'd better discuss how sick you get with your doctor.  I said, thanks, he's already well aware, as it the specialist I see.  And what was it to her?  Nothing.  She never covered anything I did anyhow.   But she could take time off (save sick time and add to vacation time) for the harvest festival,the winter festival, the spring festival - all at her kids' school, different schools so different days.  Then would have to take off early each day so she'd be home when her kids got off of the bus.  Yeah, she'd log in remotely but never did shit.  Then there were the field trips, zoo, museum, farm day.  Oh and taking off early for any play/recital/karate match, plus taking off early for Halloween.  And if they had to take time off because the kids were sick or do whatever for their kids, my boss would say "well they have kids".  Not my problem.  We had one guy who would login for an hour or two at home, come in around 10, leave by 2, all so he could do whatever with his kids - who were junior high/middle school age.  I said no other boss would allow it.  But another manager with no spine.  We would also have people who would take 2 to 2 1/2 weeks off at one time, one always during year end stuff, which is our busiest/craziest time, saving up all their sick time.  Yeah and they'd come in sick as a dog, infect the rest of us, and I'd be chasing down Christmas ham with Mucinex.

I'm not calling that person that the Dip gave my email to; actually the idiot customer could have gotten off the Dip's out of office email message.  Of course, only my name was on the email.   I'll just say oh I got so busy with this shit today - even the big wigs are acting all concerned, typical chicken little crap.  No one gives a rat's ass until the day of the event.  I've been doing this thing for at least 10 years, same thing every damned year.  And it's always been me doing it.  I think I'm going to schedule a little 1 on 1 time with my spineless boss and tell him someone else has to do it next year.  I'm done.   He did do a special thank you to me during our team meeting this week - said he knew I'd been doing a lot of stuff, so thanks.  Well you can thank me with $$$$.  LOL.

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Today, y'all... My boss says to me today, December 15...with a week left before the Christmas holiday...that he and the other guy on our team have been trying to figure out a time to get together for dinner. They just can't work anything out in the last week left. Can you believe it? So, what was my availability the week after Christmas?

Hold on there, Skippy. I put in months ago for the week off (actually only Tuesday through Thursday; we are closed on the 23rd, 26th, 30th and 2nd) and have frequently reminded him via email about my time off/meetings/appointments--every new meeting/appointment email: "By the way, I'm still off the week after Christmas..." So NO, I won't be joining you and your wives for dinner on the 28th. I am counting down the moments until 6pm on December 22, and the cat and I will celebrate having no work through January 2.

Y'all keep your fingers crossed. We've been so busy and he's been so scattered that he seems to have forgotten to have "voluntold" me to spend a day "volunteering" with him and the other guy for a fundamentalist Christian organization. That was good times last year. Just five more days, y'all.

Santa, please bring me the winning lottery ticket. I'll be happy with just a few million dollars.

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4 hours ago, bilgistic said:

Today, y'all... My boss says to me today, December 15...with a week left before the Christmas holiday...that he and the other guy on our team have been trying to figure out a time to get together for dinner. They just can't work anything out in the last week left. Can you believe it? So, what was my availability the week after Christmas?

Hold on there, Skippy. I put in months ago for the week off (actually only Tuesday through Thursday; we are closed on the 23rd, 26th, 30th and 2nd) and have frequently reminded him via email about my time off/meetings/appointments--every new meeting/appointment email: "By the way, I'm still off the week after Christmas..." So NO, I won't be joining you and your wives for dinner on the 28th. I am counting down the moments until 6pm on December 22, and the cat and I will celebrate having no work through January 2.

Y'all keep your fingers crossed. We've been so busy and he's been so scattered that he seems to have forgotten to have "voluntold" me to spend a day "volunteering" with him and the other guy for a fundamentalist Christian organization. That was good times last year. Just five more days, y'all.

Santa, please bring me the winning lottery ticket. I'll be happy with just a few million dollars.

Well, if you're off, you're off. You may add "I won't be available", and voilà :)

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That's basically what I told him. I dramatically whipped out my calendar on my phone and told him I wasn't available on the 28th (true) and my sister and are are planning a day that week that is yet unplanned (also true), NOT THAT I SHOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT, but he won't leave me alone until I tell him my whole freaking life story. Boundaries, man!

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Might I suggest:

I've made reservations for intensive inpatient care for the week at the behavioral health center for overworked and underappreciated employees

or

I gotta fulfill my community service sentence by year end.

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Bilgistic, I do not in any way understand the mindset that would assume that on your scheduled time off, you should/would be available for a business function (and no matter what it is called, a dinner with colleagues and spouses/whatever still is a business function). There is no damn reason whatsoever that you should have to say anything other than, "I'm off work that week and will not be available." It is none of his business whether you are staying in the same city in your own place by yourself, going across town to spend time with family, or going away for a wild vacation. I'd be tempted to tell him you have an orgy planned for that entire week, or a late week-long celebration of Saturnalia, and see if that shuts him down. Again, your time off is yours, and none of his business. And I know this is your boss and he's an asshat, but I would suggest that if he asks what specifically you have planned or other intrusive questions, just tell him you prefer not to discuss your personal life. Don't give him details of which day you are planning to see your sister, etc. When he asks and you provide that kind of information, it's like you are having to justify how you spend your time off, which is nonsense. 

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I'm in favor of telling people "I'm terribly sorry, but I have plans I cannot break that day!"  and refuse to say more - "it's personal" is fine if they pressure you.   Because you DO have other plans - even if your plans are "finding anything else to do other than your stupid event that I don't want to attend".  

Another tactic is to ramble and be distracted.   Like " well, you know, my family has been through a lot, and my sister only has a day or so to spend with me, oh, I jus remembered, I was supposed to text her this morning! I have to do that right now!  anyway, like I said, it's such a busy time, I have a number of things going on that whole week - so, anyway, excuse me, I really have to text my sister really quickly.  So - I hope the party goes well, I'll try to make it next year!" 

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1 hour ago, backformore said:

I'm in favor of telling people "I'm terribly sorry, but I have plans I cannot break that day!"  and refuse to say more - "it's personal" is fine if they pressure you. 

I wouldn't be able to help myself if pressured - I'd say my colonoscopy is scheduled for that day (or whatever procedure would make the asker the most uncomfortable).

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I work in eCommerce. We have a customer who is requiring all their vendors register for a third party vendor management system. All I do for the customer is reset their portal passwords and provide delivery ETAs. I do not want to sign up for this system, I'm not the appropriate person to sign up for it. I sent it to my boss when it first was sent to me so he could find out more about it and instead he volunteered me to be the person for all of our eCommerce teams WITHOUT looking at what it actually is. I keep asking my contacts at the customer how it's relevant to my interaction with them but they just reply "we're requiring all our vendors to register and that's how they'll be communicating with us", don't we support other customers like this. So I sent an email saying I won't be registering until I understand how it relates to my function for them and the eCommerce team does not have the capacity to log-in and look for support requests, that they will need to continue to email. And now I'm afraid I'm going to get in trouble for it.

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It's hard to describe the situation while being specific enough to give the essence of the problem but vague enough to protect confidentiality. I'm on the negotiation team for our union contract. It has been a miserable long slog and I am tired and cranky. I am especially pissed off at members of my own team who decide to make "helpful" suggestions about my portion of the contract without knowing what it contains or the problems I'm trying to fix. Even though I have gone over and over what the problem is. It can't be addressed directly because of the other side, so I'm trying to lay the groundwork for a real solution, in a sideways way, for the poor person who has my seat next time around. I've run my ideas by several members of the union who engage in the same work I do, and actually understand the problem because they live it, and they're all for it. Our chief negotiator has suggested alternate wording--and this is the part that made me explode all over email this afternoon-- actually repeats what is already in the contract, i.e. the thing I'm trying to fix. Because I apparently wasn't clear in my million explanations of what is wrong and what I was trying to accomplish.

Anyway...I have a teleconference with people from the other side tomorrow and now I'm worried that I won't be coherent in my explanations to them. This is only feeding my deep anxiety about fucking up and making it even worse for us living with the problem.

If I'd known when the process started that it would last this long and be such a pain in the ass, I would've turned it down. I've thought about asking whether I can resign and get someone else for my seat, someone who is engaged in the same work and understands the issues, but I don't know if that's possible short of death. Hey, anyone know how to fake your own death?

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24 minutes ago, ABay said:

I don't know if that's possible short of death. Hey, anyone know how to fake your own death?

I can send you this stomach virus I have. I, for one, would welcome death right now. 

That sucks to hear the stress piling up. Try to stay focused on the good work you are doing and not what could go wrong, as hard as that is. 

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In today's WTF Coworker...

Brief history - we rotate bringing treats on Friday. There are 16 of us & it's your turn once every 4 months. It's always bagels, donuts, muffins, something easy and cheap. Some people choose to do more and bring fancier muffins or make something. A Director brings McDonalds & a VP will buy everyone *$ coffee and a treat if he doesn't get to the bagel store. But the majority of us bring in bagels, donuts, muffins, something in the $10-$15 range.

Yesterday I was taking a count for today & chatting with guy who unofficially organizes it. We were telling the new guy about it and ControlFreak (CF) coworker stands up (from 5 large cubes away) and says "I'm putting a moratorium on donuts".

Huh? So I said cool, on your day bring something else. She said no, we're sick of donuts. I said (I really shouldn't have engaged across the cube farm) who? And CF said us 4. I said well there are 16 people.... and R, the organizer, said well we can talk about it for next time. CF said well we're tired of some people going all out while others do the bare minimum.

Oooook So I said it's their choice to go all out and CF said it's not fair. So I came back with "are you going to put a price requirement on treats?!" and CF said "I can if you like" (she's not in charge of anything!) and sat down. R is trying to diffuse (and the new guy looks horrified) and I just looked at R and quietly said I'm opting out of future treats because it just got too complicated and dramatic. CF stood back up and said "I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. If you have something to say to me come over here and say it."

Excuse me?! R told me to bring whatever I want, don't worry about it. And the poor new guy is shell shocked.

So guess what I brought for treats?

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34 minutes ago, DeLurker said:

I would have complied with the donut moratorium by bringing in donut holes. 

Hahaha. I did think about that but the donut store only had a two types. I brought a nice selection of donuts pastries (including a cinnamon roll and croissant). I intentionally set it up by my desk / my bosses office (it was his day but he comes in late so he gives me money to bring them) and she didn't even come check it out. The irony is, we have had donuts a lot over the past few weeks and I was planning on running into Costco for muffins but after her outburst I had no choice but to bring donuts.

This is not the first encounter with her and it started out of nowhere a few weeks ago. She's been trying to micromanage me (she's a departmental colleague, we don't share anything, including reporting structure) and controlling people. She was reminding everyone to be "mindful" of their portions during our holiday luncheon despite this same group of people never having an issue where we run out of food. We had so much left over people took it home. She's taken to putting treats in the free-for-all area at 10am (some people don't come in until 10 and sometimes people want a second treat but not under her watch!) Last week she tried to tell me my boss couldn't override our VPs decision to let people leave early  on the Friday before Christmas when we have movie day (yes, he actually can let me leave even earlier since he's in the fucking office!) and trying to tell people when it was their time to go. I left our little movie gathering because the movie sucked and I had actual work to do at my desk. She thought I was leaving and told me it wasn't my time to go yet, I came in after her.

It's odd, either she randomly turned into a food nazi after a year of Weight Watchers or something is going on either at work or personally. I mentioned all three incidents to my boss after the incident Thursday. I wanted to bring him into the loop in case someone said something. 

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I am admittedly antisocial and work from home so I don't have to deal with this sort of crap, but that confrontation is exactly the reason I would never agree to get involved in anything like that at work, including gift exchanges. It always seems to devolve into "Well, I'm spending $2 per person and bringing in upscale treats, while other people spend only $1 or less per person and bring in cheap stuff that nobody wants." Okay, then, bring in your own damn treats for yourself from now on.

Not sure exactly why, but this reminds me of a work situation years ago. Many people in my area were assigned to a specific project that was pretty much living hell; it was a multi-year contract and so there were a few people like me who had been with it from the beginning. Then one specific person got assigned to it and she was pretty much a bitch on wheels. A few months later another person got assigned to it, and she and the BoW hated each other. It was time for our annual party to relieve the stress, and the project manager asked BoW to host it. BoW proceeded to invite everyone on the team except the newbie (new to the project but had been with the company way longer than BoW).  I made the project manager aware of the exclusion and she asked BoW to reconsider; BOW replied that the party was taking place at her home and she refused to have the newbie in her home. So I talked to the project manager again and said, look, I'm not comfortable accepting this party invitation when it specifically excludes one person; all other project newbies had been invited. The project manager bit the bullet and decided to host the party herself, but the newbie by that time had learned what was going on and declined to attend. She was cool with it and appreciated my taking a stand and the project manager agreeing to host it instead, but she thought it would be awkward and so made other plans.

And just realized why it reminded me of theredhead77's situation: BoW pulled a similar stunt with the holiday gift exchange, throwing a hissy fit because she was exceeding the designated maximum amount to spend while most of us were sticking to it. She was trying to guilt everyone into buying more expensive crap, and the maximum amount had been set to take into account that some people (such as BoW) were making a lot of money while others on the project were not, and nobody wanted to make them feel they had to spend money they couldn't afford on a pricey gift for a colleague. That behavior was pretty typical for her.

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5 minutes ago, bilgistic said:

I think I might want to come work with you because breakfast!!, but I'd have to set that certain someone straight.

Breakfast once a week. The organizer did say we can discuss it and decide as a group but he wasn't happy with her either (and he brings muffins). There is a reason donut and bagel stores are so popular. They are quick and cheap. The whole thing is optional as is the effort level. So stupid. But please come set CF straight!

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3 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

Yesterday I was taking a count for today & chatting with guy who unofficially organizes it. We were telling the new guy about it and ControlFreak (CF) coworker stands up (from 5 large cubes away) and says "I'm putting a moratorium on donuts".
 

I could see someone saying this as a joke, but not seriously.   She can bring in her own treat, or just skip it, why is it a problem?   Seems to me, if someone wants to be healthy, they could bring in fruit.   But you can't tell someone not to bring what they want. 

 

My previous job, we were a small satellite office, about 8 - 10 people. Morale was low, (because boss was an idiot), and the management was trying to apply strategies to boost morale.   The boss was telling us that at the main office, they had "potluck" parties every month.  I was asked if I could arrange it so we had the same thing, have a sign-up sheet, and have everyone bring in something.   I said I didn't think it would work at this office, because of dietary restrictions of some employees, but boss insisted.   So I explained -  A is on weight watchers, B is vegan, C is lactose intolerant and going through an elimination diet with her allergist, this moth is gluten-free,  D is allergic to all nuts and most fruits.   I asked boss for suggestions on what anyone could bring to a potluck that we could share.   Boss never got back to me, potlucks never happened.   problem solved - we each brought our own food.  

Every once in a while, one of us would bring something to share, and whoever could eat it did.   Boss once brought in a bag of tacos from Taco bell.   Those tacos sat ALL DAY, and nobody touched them.   We were such a passive-aggressive bunch.

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Seriously, theredhead77, is your job Being a Junior High Student?  Because that sounds like the most juvenile workplace ever.  

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5 hours ago, Quof said:

Seriously, theredhead77, is your job Being a Junior High Student?  Because that sounds like the most juvenile workplace ever.  

Excluding this person (for who this behavior is new) this has been a cohesive, close-knit group. Outside of work events are a pleasure, not a chore because everyone gets along. Something has to be going on with her, either personally or professionally.

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4 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

Excluding this person (for who this behavior is new) this has been a cohesive, close-knit group. Outside of work events are a pleasure, not a chore because everyone gets along. Something has to be going on with her, either personally or professionally.

Do you think she was telling the truth about four people agreeing with her no-donuts edict?

She sounds like a loud-mouthed and petty person who's going out of her way to make trouble, but now I just want a bear claw.

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2 hours ago, lordonia said:

Do you think she was telling the truth about four people agreeing with her no-donuts edict?

She sounds like a loud-mouthed and petty person who's going out of her way to make trouble, but now I just want a bear claw.

Three of the four  Two of the four* were sitting there when she said it. I think 2 of them don't care either way. Our new list comes out next week, I'll be sure to update the outcome.

I am really not firing on all cylinders today. It sounded like the four was here + 3 others. I don't think the 2 that were there care either way. Not sure who the mysterious additional person is.

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If one has vocal cords and not helplessly trapped  and incommunicado somewhere, is it too much to ask for someone fed up with their job to actually phone in and utter the words 'I Quit'  (or e-mail/text it) rather than not bother to call or show up; thus leaving everyone else scrambling to cover one's work tasks? Talk about burning one's own bridges to try to spite others' faces!

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@theredhead77 - because I am immensely childish, I want you to bring in the verboten donuts for everyone else, and a plain serving of oatmeal (unless you can find gruel) for CF and company.  Of course, clearly labeled for the Do-notters.

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2 hours ago, DeLurker said:

@theredhead77 - because I am immensely childish, I want you to bring in the verboten donuts for everyone else, and a plain serving of oatmeal (unless you can find gruel) for CF and company.  Of course, clearly labeled for the Do-notters.

And I would bring donuts in when it's NOT Friday - like tomorrow.    Just, "I passed the donut place on my way to work and had a craving for a donut.  It's more economical to get a whole box, so I figured I'd share.  Happy New year everybody!"

Nobody can get mad at that.  And who knows, you might start a trend.

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In my office, there are annoying people who eat 1/4 of a bagel or 1/2 a donut, then leave the other part. No one eats the remaining portion. Just eat the whole thing!

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In my office, there are annoying people who eat 1/4 of a bagel or 1/2 a donut, then leave the other part. No one eats the remaining portion. Just eat the whole thing!

This. I don't get it.  Seeing a half or 1/4 eaten donut/bagel is so unappealing. No one wants someone else's rejected leftovers. Take the whole thing, and if you can't finish it all, throw it in the garbage.

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The update I know you've been refreshing all day looking for...

Our new treat schedule was sent out with a short note to let R know if you want to be removed so he can rearrange it. We've had the same order for years, but he breaks it down so we only have to remember one date at a time. So I called him and said your email is missing a voting option. That got a laugh and he said optional treat day will continue to also include the option to bring whatever you'd like. He also reassured me I did not start the drama (as did another coworker who I just found out is also having trouble with CF). 

Stay tuned for potential future dress code drama. There was a "dress code" meeting that me and two others were excluded from. Either the dress code didn't make it to our managers yet or we're in compliance. Apparently before the meeting CF gave my other coworker some crap for not attending it (she wasn't sent an invite) and said she was going to volunteer to be the "dress code nazi". Apparently I do work in a Junior High and I can't wait to see what she has to say about what I wear (100% compliance). And our dress code is business casual with casual Friday. Basically wear slacks, a dress shirt, dressy shoes (no tennies or flip flops) and be groomed.

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Dress code?? I think in a work environment, of someone is dressing inappropriately - like crop tops, or shorts - anything more suited for the beach - their supervisor can take them aside and suggest they dress more professionally.  But a dress CODE - that reeks of "skirts must be no more than 2 inches above the knee"  and "no denim" .  Seriously, anyone eager to be on a dress code committee, doesn't have enough work to do.  This co-worker of yours has a control problem - she has a need  to tell everyone else what to eat, what to wear.  did her kids grow up and move out or something? 

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It's a control freak thing. It seriously becomes a social and professional problem for some people like this idiot you're mentioning ?

My job is like a single person dept that services every part  a huge ass grocery store it just me who does all the typing and printing plus my other shit and I remember one woman when I left redo-ing  and replacing all my signs that had accents or umlauts even though they're in the brand or persons name since we're in America or some shit 

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12 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

Apparently before the meeting CF gave my other coworker some crap for not attending it (she wasn't sent an invite) and said she was going to volunteer to be the "dress code nazi"

Of course she would volunteer for that responsibility. She would clearly grab for anything that gives her a sliver of authorized power. I wonder if somebody gave her a sash that says "Office Behavior Monitor" if she would wear it.

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2 minutes ago, JTMacc99 said:

Of course she would volunteer for that responsibility. She would clearly grab for anything that gives her a sliver of authorized power. I wonder if somebody gave her a sash that says "Office Behavior Monitor" if she would wear it.

I would make one and leave it on her desk, possibly draped on her chair or cubicle wall so that everyone could see it.

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OMG you guys are cracking me up. 

I work for a huge company and we do have a specific dress code based upon job function. As I mentioned upthread, if you work in an office it's pretty straight forward. Wear slacks, not jeans, a sweater, not a hoodie/sweatshirt, collared shirt not a t-shirt, shoes that aren't tennies and avoid club attire and you're fine. As best as me and my other coworker can guess, the people who were in the meeting were wearing tennis shoes on a regular basis and dressing a bit too casual, but I don't know for sure.

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3 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

As best as me and my other coworker can guess, the people who were in the meeting were wearing tennis shoes on a regular basis and dressing a bit too casual, but I don't know for sure.

We have the same set of rules and the same sort of situation you described at my job. If at some point, more than one person starts sliding into regularly unprofessional, HR issues a reminder. (No flip flops, tube tops, etc.) 

It was only this morning when walking up the stairs I noticed the guy in front of me was wearing black denim.  He's in with the engineers, where stylish is not a word uttered often, unless you consider white cotton socks with your loafers to be stylish.  He also really needs to trim that beard back a few inches, so I don't think anybody is paying too close attention to what he's wearing.  But if somebody up on my floor showed up in black jeans, that person wouldn't last the day without hearing about it.

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4 hours ago, JTMacc99 said:

Of course she would volunteer for that responsibility. She would clearly grab for anything that gives her a sliver of authorized power. I wonder if somebody gave her a sash that says "Office Behavior Monitor" if she would wear it.

Drop the Office and just label in BM.  I am immensely childish.

3 minutes ago, JTMacc99 said:

We have the same set of rules and the same sort of situation you described at my job. If at some point, more than one person starts sliding into regularly unprofessional, HR issues a reminder. (No flip flops, tube tops, etc.) 

It was only this morning when walking up the stairs I noticed the guy in front of me was wearing black denim.  He's in with the engineers, where stylish is not a word uttered often, unless you consider white cotton socks with your loafers to be stylish.  He also really needs to trim that beard back a few inches, so I don't think anybody is paying too close attention to what he's wearing.  But if somebody up on my floor showed up in black jeans, that person wouldn't last the day without hearing about it.

In DeLurker circles, wearing white socks with loafers and the white socks show or peek beneath your pant hem is the height of fashion.  I admit proudly to doing exactly that many many times for both work and pleasure.

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At both my jobs some women and men consider leggings work attire. Butt cheeks and camel toe or nuts bulge ain't business casual.

also a couple coworkers don't shower or change they clothes and they smell like badussy 

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Unless they have a button and zipper, they aren't pants one wears to work.

It depends on the office; I wear knit pants (without a button or zipper) to work with some frequency.  We're pretty casual (not as casual as one [major, national] organization I worked for, where almost anything was okay, including shorts and flip flops!), so pants like these, when paired with the right top, easily fit in with our environment (there's no actual dress code).  We only don business attire for depositions, court, etc.

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