S05.E04: Condition Terminal

[Tara Ariano]

Stiles tracks a fugitive; and Liam plays wingman for Mason at a nightclub.

[Snarkette]

Psychopomp?

[snakenax]

Psychopomp?

A psychopomp is a common form of mythological entity that acts to escort the dead to the afterlife(sometimes it's expanded also to include those beings that signal death or comfort the dying). Examples include Archangel Gabriel, Charon, Anubis, Hermes, the Grim Reaper and Valkyries.

[HunterHunted]

The show can keep trying to show that Scott is trying academically, but his journey from dim bulb would be a lot more believable if they showed him taking more than one turn at trying to spell chimera.

Kira being out of control is a story beat from nowhere.

So Brett the big wolf on campus is also the biwolf on campus?

I don't understand Sinema the gay? club and how sourfaced nemesis is working there?

[benteen]

Yeah, I didn't buy Scott being able to spell chimera.  That's not even a word that's easy to pronounce correctly.

 

I fell asleep during it so I'll have to re-watch at some point.  Not because the episode was boring, I was just tired.

[owenthurman]

In the kung fu movie they're watching in the hospital, is that Angela Mao Ying?

[justcris]

I'm really enjoying this season so far.

 

I think they are doing a good job juggling multiple storylines and character arcs, although I would agree that the Kira bit came out of nowhere.

But I'm liking the new guys way more than I thought I would, and Malia is my girl. Theo is so shady, it's pretty amusing.

 

Also, I'm travelling for the next 2 weeks so I probably won't be able to see the next 2 episodes until August, and this is the one they decide to end on Stiles being attacked?! Totally unfair.

[patchwork]

Kira's belt sword came out of nowhere, Kira getting stronger makes sense. I'm willing to take a wait and see approach to it at least. It's probably only going amount to a handwave scene with her parents anyway. Did anyone catch what she screamed before she went after Lucas?

 

The kitsune effect was impressive considering the show's budget. 

 

I like that Scott isn't academic and becoming a vet isn't going to easy it balances out the true alpha thing a bit. I'm waiting for the day 'Nous protégeons ceux qui ne peuvent pas se protéger eux-mêmes. -We protect those who can't protect themselves.' becomes the official pack motto, it should have happened already but I'll be patient for a while longer. 

 

Parrish being a psychopomp fits nicely with a banshee. ;p Speaking of Lydia is her mother in deep denial or does she already know but doesn't want to know? 

[Gwen-Stacys]

Okay, one qualm I had with this episode (it could just be me) but why the hell was everyone acting like they didn't believe Malia when she brought up The Doctors? She literally brought them up 3 times this episode and no one asked her a single damn follow up question about it. They all either exchanged looks or straight up ignored her. What was up with that? Say what you will about Malia, but she isn't a liar. That girl is honest to a fault and if she had killed Tracy she'd had copped to it immediatly in a "I felt like my life and everyone else's were in danger. It was either us or her, so bitch had to go" kind of way and shrugged it off. Was their reaction to her meant to be intentional or a flaw in the writing? Like...maybe the doctors got into her head and everytime she tries to bring them up, gibberish comes out of her mouth or she goes silent but she still thinks that she's talking? Like....huh?

 

That bugged me....the entire episode.

[mac123x]

This season is really bringing the creepy.  The Doctors strapping down Felon (I don't remember his name) and pulling his teeth made my skin crawl, and I had to look away from the screen.

 

Theo can go away now.  I was hoping that his plotline would be separate from the Doctors, but I guess he's just a one-dimensional moustache-twirling villain.  The only question left for me:  is he working for them or are they working for him?

 

Scorpion guy and his boyfriend -- have we seen them before, or were they redshirts for this episode?

 

I thought AP Biology teacher was a little unprofessional, handing out drop forms to specific people in front of the class.  I did like her smacking down that girl for reading the definitiion of a chimera from her cell phone.

 

I'm sure it was totally a coincidence, but I thought Melissa's comments to Scott about how he was going to do what he always does, i.e. protect people, was a nice contrast to the scene from new Superman v Batman trailer where Ma Kent tells Clark that he doesn't owe this planet anything.  It's a little sad that a low budget cable show does Dark and Atmospheric better than a Hollywood blockbuster.

 

Lydia asked Parrish to train her in hand-to-hand combat.  So I guess she's going to go from a life-threatening injury to blackbelt in the next few episodes.  Not all that plausible, but about time.

 

Shirtless Parrish covered in soot... I'll be in my bunk. I must have missed where the term "psychopomp" was introduced - was it in the beastiary, or one of the stupid hashtags?  #ScottsaysILOVEYOU #Kiraislosingit #Stopwritingblunthashtags

[Sakura12]

That bugged me too. If they had shown us gibberish was coming out of her mouth when she spoke, I'd would've accepted that a bit. What they did made me think that they were just ignoring her because she's just silly old Malia that was a werecoyote for 7 years. None of them even noticed she was hurt by what happened to Tracy. She did try to save her, then had to watch her die. I know they are all distracted by other things, but Stiles isn't paying any attention to her. Which is probably setting it up for Theo to swoop in and be the caring listener and take Malia away from the pack. 

 

Now that Scott, Kira and Liam have seen the Dread Doctors, I wonder if they will ask her about them or just start talking about them like she never mentioned them.

 

Kira going Kitsune Psycho made her slightly more interesting. But it does seem that other supernatural creatures like Parrish and Kira are trying to destroy the science made supernaturals. Kira became almost all Kitsune and was going for the kill shot and Parrish is burning the bodies of the dead ones by the Nemeton. 

Edited July 14, 2015 by Sakura12

[Snarkette]

Psychopomp isn't so much a thing as a role. She tags 'em, he bags 'em. A phoenix could be a pyschopomp, although it would stretch the definition of phoenix a little (Teen Wolf being oh so technically accurate historically), as could be a hell hound, reaper, or any of a dozen other Burning Man variations.

 

It seems to fit nicely in the notion that Lydia and Parrish are both working on the same task, which is getting people announced for death and then tidied up after: Team Death: She screams 'em, he steams 'em.

 

She follows her inner death-muse and he follows...his inner tree-stump-muse? Can't figure out if he's on the same kind of autopilot she is or if stumpy is giving him orders to recycle the stolen supe-juice. In any case, he seems to have a compulsive need to retrieve dead bodies and give them to the pyre in a Beacon Hills-appropriate location. I wonder if that morgue offers frequent-flyer miles.

 

Loved, loved Malia this ep and she's a character I normally hate. Between last week and this she's totally done a 180 in my opinion. Still can't stand Kira, even though she's sponging up most of the special FX budget this year. However, teases from Comic Con suggest my dislike for her may pay off soon.

 

However, I'm loving Theo. Embrace the evil. Be the evil. And b'bye manticore redshirt. Was fun knowing you.

 

Finally, that was a really great Momspeech from Melissa. Nothing can beat "be your own anchor" but this was up there.

[Primetimer]

So...not so much a phoenix, it seems.

Read the story

[Mars477]

Damn it, people, listen to Malia!  Especially you, Stiles.  Yes, you.

 

I'm guessing the group is going to owe her a hell of an apology, huh?

 

If there's something wrong with Kira getting all her mojo together and taking another level in her "Kitsune" prestige class then I don't want to be right.  Funnily enough I was recently reading a UF series where the female lead is a kitsune.  The kitsune in mythology were literal foxes who could shapeshift into women, and were alternatively guardians and protectors or ruthless tricksters.

[Snarkette]

 

It's more of a suspense short, but yeah. The fact that the cold open is out of sync with the timeline (Lydia's still dealing with a kanima-slashing at the moment), occurring at some point during Lydia's attempts to help Parrish figure out what kind of creature he is, gives this the kind of otherworldly feel I expect from the cold opens.

I thought there was something off about that open and I totally zoned on the fact that she was in surgery!! Another Lydia hallucination then!?! Like the fake-Lydia in the "Stay with me" scene? Do you think it's Stumpy pretending to be her, to get poor Parrish to tire-fire corpses for Stumpy's hidden evil agenda?

 

Edited to add: I think Kira maybe be over-powering on her Kitsune because Parrish is feeding Stumpy a high-protein diet. Lydia mentioned that the Nemeton is "a beacon for supernatural creatures. It might even make them more powerful." Certainly Lydia's powered up in the flash-aheadback in Ep 1.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Snarkette

[Ace Hansen]

I don't have face-blindness (I have internet quiz credentials to prove it!) but I sure feel like I do when I watch this show. I was completely baffled by Corey - have we met him before? He's not the same guy as Donovan, or Theo, or Parrish? Liam I can identify because he's the teeniest, but all these other snub-nose underwear models look just the same to me.

And crabby underage club server girl who hates Liam really resembles Lydia and now I just want all secondary and tertiary characters to start wearing nametags.

[Sakura12]

Sorry, for me club server girl looks nothing like Lydia. 

 

While most of the secondary male cast all look like male models, they all look very different to me. 

[ahisma]

Ugh. Theo very obviously set up Donovan to attack Stiles so that Theo can come to his rescue and cement his "in" with the pack. I hope that Stiles stays suspicious anyway.

And Joe—Mulva and the Sheriff were not at their best in this ep, but Mama McCall more than made up for it by being 1000% awesome (as usual). I think she gives the parents a win all by herself. (I do love the Sheriff's deputy being super protective of him. D'aw!)

Man, whatever's going on with Parrish, it looks awesome. As does his bod. I hope it is some kind of resurrection/fixing or laying to rest of all the poor victims, and not something evil.

So Lydia in surgery—is she the next chimera, or was that all hallucination? They usually pick non-super to experiment on, but maybe they are stealing banshee samples to use for grafting....

[Atony]

So Lydia in surgery—is she the next chimera, or was that all hallucination?

 

I believe that was all a hallucination.  As we saw from the first episode Lydia will end up in Eichen House by the end of the season.

 

Scorpion guy and his boyfriend -- have we seen them before, or were they redshirts for this episode?

 

They were redshirts, we hadn't met them before.

 

The kitsune effect was impressive considering the show's budget.

 

Agreed.

 

I can accept the supernatural creatures.  But seriously, you are asking me to accept this highschool sophomore girl is a bouncer and alcohol server at this gay bar?  Also nice of a small town like Beacon Hills to have two giant gay clubs (before it was the Junge, now this was Sinema).  Was that scene with Brett supposed to say he was bisexual?  Guess he will definitely end up being a love interest for Mason.

 

However, I'm loving Theo. Embrace the evil. Be the evil

 

Yeah so far I am finding his evilness and manipulative antics entertaining.  At comic-con Jeff Davis said they envisioned him as a Joffrey, a character the audience could just love to hate.

 

So far I am enjoying this season.  After the disaster of last season I was ready to completely give up on this show but so far I am glad I stuck around.

[blueray]

I'm not sure what I thought of that episode. I liked the scenes with Melissa and Scott. And I liked the group trying to figure things out. I also liked the scenes with Perrish. Speaking of I wonder what is with him moving the body, maybe he is doing it in his sleep or something.

 

I don't get how Liam and Mason could get into a club when they are underage, I know Liam mentioned being concerned about it, but nobody questioned them? And that girl couldn't work there since she is also under age (or at least under 18).

 

And poor Stiles, why did Malia leave him asleep in the library? It was weird that she would leave him there and leave without him. They should either have him be attached in his car or have him insist on staying there to research. And why was no one believing Malia about the doctors? Decon could prove that she wasn't killed by a coyotte.

 

Oh and I hate Theo, to the point where I was annoyed that he was on the panel at comic-con. I really hope he dies (nothing against the actor), but I can't stand him.

Edited July 15, 2015 by blueray

[Snarkette]

 

Speaking of I wonder what is with him moving the body, maybe he is doing it in his sleep or something.

It's called a fugue state. I've come to think that he went into that state at the start when staring at his Queen of Diamonds card, just like in the Manchurian Candidate movie, and possibly again (depending on the timing), the night after when the Manticore / Sinema events went down.

 

If so, dude needs a much better social life.

[Bruinsfan]

Look at it this way, one of his co-workers tried to barbecue him, no telling how many others have been killed off, and all the people he met via supernatural hijinx are either involved in a manhunt states away, locked up in Eichen House, or a bunch of teenagers in high school. This is not the foundation of an active social life.

[Lady Calypso]

I got to say, what they're doing with Parrish is making me intrigued, at least. It was similar with Lydia, although I hope it doesn't take a full season for them to utter the word 'phoenix', as I strongly suspect he is...as do most other people. Sometimes the mystery is good, but don't drag it on for seasons! But what they're doing with him thus far is really good. Poor guy does need older friends and not a high school crush....though damn, him and Lydia are cute together. I love that he was the one waiting for her when she woke up. 

 

As for everything else....eh. I don't care about Liam and his love interest. I'm neutral on the Jackson/Danny....I mean Mason/Liam friendship. I loved Kira/Scott last season and in season 3, but this season they lost some steam. I do not like how Stiles and Scott gave her those side eyes. You should very well believe her, damnit! She has no reason to lie and you guys have seen so much weirder stuff! Goddamn! I don't get why Stiles basically dismissed her claim of the Dread Doctors.

 

Of course Theo's working for them, by the way. Of course he sends Donovan after Stiles. What a surprise. But leave him evil, show. And then kill him off. Kill all the male evils off. No more female deaths, PLEASE. Seriously. 

 

I really, really loved Scott's scene with his mom. Even after all he's been through, he still needs reassurance from his mom that he can do this. 

 

I laughed when Deaton gave them a couple of answers, left them more questions and more fears and then says 'btw, tots heading out of town because you can't have all your questions answered. Byeeeee see you in two-four episodes!' and peaced out. Thanks Deaton, always the big help every fourth episode or so. 

 

Some of you guys hate Theo and some of you hate Kira. I, however, hate bitchy club server that Liam likes. She's just not a nice person and I don't see why her and Liam should hook up, like ever. I don't even like Liam that much, and I want her to go away.

[AudienceofOne]

First up, I enjoyed this episode. I think they finally managed to get the melodrama/slow mo balance right in that what was happening was genuinely suspenseful. I'm enjoying the plotline and, while I found the Doctors anachronistic at first, I think the way they were portrayed in this episode blended well.

 

BUT...

 

Scott is still the worst Alpha in the entire universe (even a universe with Derek in it) mostly because he doesn't seem to know or care he even has a pack. And then he launches himself into fights only to end up in the corner watching with a pained expression on his face. Tired of it. If this is the final season I'll actually be glad because I don't think I could handle more of him being the TRUE ALPHA of nothing at all.

 

Just to play devil's advocate on the Malia thing - I didn't think they disbelieved her. I think they were just bemused by her reaction to the situation. They can't know how proud and happy she was that she saved the girl, only to have that taken away from her. I think they couldn't understand why she kept yelling AND THOSE DOCTORS at them. 

 

Liam I can identify because he's the teeniest, but all these other snub-nose underwear models look just the same to me.

 

 

Ditto. I thought it was Theo in the club who saved Mason and then Liam and then Liam came in so it couldn't have been him. So that left Brett and by then the scene had moved on.

 

I disagree about girl that hates Liam though. She looks nothing like Lydia.

 

As for Scott and Kira - they were rocking the cute in season 3 but now I'm supposed to believe their relationship is heating up and I just don't. There's no passion there at all. They should stick to adorable. As for #KiraIsLosingIt, I was fine with that scene until the dumb hashtag. Go away, dumb hashtags. You're not doing your show any favours.

 

Oh and I hate Theo, to the point where I was annoyed that he was on the panel at comic-con. I really hope he dies (nothing against the doctor), but I can't stand him.

 

 

Edited to say, I don't mind Theo but I didn't like how he was used in this episode. The Doctors are creepy, steampunky and almost like they're flickering interdimensionally or something. I wouldn't be surprised if they're from the future or something and time travel ends up being involved. To have Theo walk into that scene and exposit EVIL all over the place kind of ruined it for me.

Edited July 15, 2015 by AudienceofOne

[mac123x]

I can accept the supernatural creatures.  But seriously, you are asking me to accept this highschool sophomore girl is a bouncer and alcohol server at this gay bar?  Also nice of a small town like Beacon Hills to have two giant gay clubs (before it was the Junge, now this was Sinema).  Was that scene with Brett supposed to say he was bisexual?  Guess he will definitely end up being a love interest for Mason.

 

I'm pretty sure they said it was a once-a-month rave, so more of an illegal underground thing.  Vengeful Chick (who will probably turn out to be a harpy, literally as well as metaphorically) let Mason and Liam in the back door (npi).  The bouncer working the front door must make everyone show him their Andrew Christian modeling portfolio.

 

Harpy was a moron carrying all those fragile shot-test-tubes on a tray like that through a dance floor.  Getting bumped and losing them was inevitable.  If they do have to make her Liam's love interest, I hope they go for a twist on the standard "Liam saves her from a perilous situation and they fall in lurve" scene.  Like, he saves her and she still despises him.  Or he saves her, she sees the error of her ways and falls for him, and he tells her to f-off.

[patchwork]

Liam and whatsherface obviously have a backstory but by the time the show gets around to telling us about it I doubt I'll care any more than I do now. 

 

TNG are so blah that it's going to be easy for me to permanently stop watching when they become the focus.  

[Atony]

TNG are so blah that it's going to be easy for me to permanently stop watching when they become the focus.

 

I don't dislike them, but Jeff Davis is deluded if he thinks a lot of the audience would stick around for a cast of Liam/Mason/what's her name/Brett.

 

He should ask Ryan Murphy how well it worked when you try to replace the cast the audience has fallen in love with over multiple seasons for new versions of the characters.

[Bruinsfan]

Murphy would probably have some words about the effectiveness of casting bland model-pretty actors in place of people with personality and talent, too.

[Snarkette]

 

Liam and whatsherface obviously have a backstory but by the time the show gets around to telling us about it I doubt I'll care any more than I do now.

Whatsherface aka the Girl of Vengence doesn't work for me at any level. Scott as single teenage dad to Beta Liam does. I find the relationship touching and hilarious. I also really like Mason, but beyond that I couldn't care less about Liam's life. Brett is fine as recurring scenery but again not really that interested in his character beyond that. I'm not even sure the show can give up the central conceit of "Scott is Special" to move to a next generation of characters.

 

That said, I'm am totally behind a "Beacon Hill Sheriff's Department"  spin off, where a Sheriff and his employees have to deal with the problems of a town that acts as a beacon for shirtless and model-pretty supernatural creatures.

[Gwen-Stacys]

If this is the final season I'll actually be glad because I don't think I could handle more of him being the TRUE ALPHA of nothing at all.

They already announced season 6 (20 episodes too, I believe) last week at comic con.

 

Okay, I thought I was the only person who was confused who the other werewolf fighting the scorpion in the club was. Because I too thought it was Theo until the very end of it when Brett had a line (and what is with that ealry 90's sitcom hunk/crush name?). They all look like they rolled out of the same factory. Teen Wolf boys have always been pretty but...they were very easily distiguishable in the early seasons. I could tell Isaac from Jackson from Stiles etc (and I picked those 3 bc they all have similar coloring. Not just...because they're white.)

[blueray]

Add me to the club of confusing Brett and Theo. I wasn't sure who was there until the end of the scene. Mainly because they look the same and the lights were distracting.

[mac123x]

Same stunt double possibly.

[Sakura12]

Oh, you meant as wolves it's confusing to tell them apart. I think it's a combination of the lightening issue too. That scene was dark, probably because it was mostly stunt doubles. In wolf form Theo and Liam look alike. Outside of wolf form, I don't think they look anything alike and Brett certainly doesn't look either of them.

 

Scorpion kid looked like a 25 year old male model. I was thinking statutory rape when he was making out with Mason and the hospital kid looked really young as well. I don't mind the casting of older actors, just make sure they look younger. 

Edited July 16, 2015 by Sakura12

[jhlipton]

Add me to the club of confusing Brett and Theo. I wasn't sure who was there until the end of the scene. Mainly because they look the same and the lights were distracting.

 

The whole fight scene in the club was so dark, and so "zippy" and so full of guys who all look alike, I couldn't tell who was fighting whom.  At all.  Guh.

 

Agree that they treated Malia like sh*t, and that Kira powered up just in time to do absolutely nothing.

 

Not a great episode -- best part was Parrish not thinking about the heat...  Wotchu thinkin' bout there Parrish, lookin' at dose lips like dat????

[Aquariuz]

I like Liam/Mason/Brett dynamic. Reminds me of Scott/Stiles/Derek back in the day. Well they still have a long way to go but I'm willing to give them a chance.

[Scott]

Scorpion kid looked like a 25 year old male model. I was thinking statutory rape when he was making out with Mason and the hospital kid looked really young as well. I don't mind the casting of older actors, just make sure they look younger. 

 

That's all I could think anyway, with all of these high school kids (sophomores, yet, right?) running around this club.  I'd be afraid to talk to anyone for fear of Chris Hansen popping around the corner.  

[lion10]

I am so frustrated with Scott's weakness.  He's displayed very few impressive feats compared to Derek or even his betas and he doesn't have the cunning to make up for his physical weakness.  I really liked Kira's demon fox cloak and I'm interested to see where that goes in terms of her personality and willingness to kill.  Does anyone know what Kira was saying when she was about to kill the scorpion guy?  I wish Scott had let her kill the guy:  It's a supernatural show Jeff!  The protagonists can kill and still retain audience sympathy!

[AudienceofOne]

It's a supernatural show Jeff!  The protagonists can kill and still retain audience sympathy!

 

 

Errr, umm... these guys are victims of the Doctors too. Killing them is a moral issue - one the show dealt with quite well when Malia decided not to kill the Kanima. That wasn't my problem with that scene so much as Scott once again standing on the sidelines with that pained expression on his face.

[wayne67]

Errr, umm... these guys are victims of the Doctors too. Killing them is a moral issue - one the show dealt with quite well when Malia decided not to kill the Kanima. That wasn't my problem with that scene so much as Scott once again standing on the sidelines with that pained expression on his face.

 

And yet they keep dying because Scott doesn't put much effort into finding or interrogating any of their victims. My biggest issues was when he was asking what they meant about condition terminal. I'm left thinking that he's a moron.

 

Why didn't he interrogate the first guy that tried to kill him instead of just letting him run off without getting an explanation. This show does my head in with the failures in logic. It's like these 'heroes' never learn anything with their yearly run ins with bad guys. Find out who they are, what they want and get it done.

Edited July 18, 2015 by wayne67

[lion10]

Apparently what Kira was saying in Japanese was "I am the emissary of death."

[snakenax]

 

It's a supernatural show Jeff!  The protagonists can kill and still retain audience sympathy!

If the show became 24 with werewolves i'd dial out very quickly(Like I did when True Blood became 24 with vampires). The likability of the cast is the biggest draw, and when I have issue figuring out why the protagonist isn't a complete and utter psycho is when likability goes out the window.

[wayne67]

My problem isn't that Scott won't kill it's that he still hasn't come up with a better alternative than just making pouty faces at bad guys and telling them not to kill. Which isn't all that effective. Hence why we still have Gerard loitering around in an old folks home where he could still cause trouble with his hunters, Kate is roaming Mexico probably murdering people, Peter was allowed to corrupt that Banshee and Jackson was allowed to kill all those police officers.

 

If he started quarantining bad guys in the first season I'd give him slack for not killing bad guys but his way allows the villains to come back any time they feel like.

[greenbean]

I don't see him as someone who needs to take that kind of lead, or that those things are even his responsibility. He's not Buffy, or Clark for that matter. He's always been the reluctant hero, the show has been consistent with that, and part of the reason why he's a true Alpha is because he emphasises his pack.

 

He's always been a kid just dealing with whatever comes up, the best he can. Which is what I like tbh. He pretty much doesn't want to get involved in a lot of things, it's not like Buffy who went on patrols and saw it as her job to protect Sunnydale. Stiles has been shown to take a more active role in pursing threats, but other than that, none of the kids have wanted to play protector.

 

Idk, I just don't see how Gerard and Kate are his responsibility, and to the point where he needs to be quarantining them. That's a bit much imo.

[wayne67]

I don't see him as someone who needs to take that kind of lead, or that those things are even his responsibility. He's not Buffy, or Clark for that matter. He's always been the reluctant hero, the show has been consistent with that, and part of the reason why he's a true Alpha is because he emphasises his pack.

 

He's always been a kid just dealing with whatever comes up, the best he can. Which is what I like tbh. He pretty much doesn't want to get involved in a lot of things, it's not like Buffy who went on patrols and saw it as her job to protect Sunnydale. Stiles has been shown to take a more active role in pursing threats, but other than that, none of the kids have wanted to play protector.

 

Idk, I just don't see how Gerard and Kate are his responsibility, and to the point where he needs to be quarantining them. That's a bit much imo.

 

Well the issue for me is he say he cares about his pack but he's not particularly proactive in keeping them safe so what good is he really as their pack leader/True Alpha ?

 

Well he poisoned Gerard and hunted Kate down to Mexico but then failed to do anything particularly useful in stopping them from being threats in the future so there are at least 2 crazy members of the Argent Family (human killers of supernaturals) with motivation and means to kill him and or his pack.

 

Derek also said it was Scott's responsibility to look after the town of Beacon Hills and it was supposed to be some big character moment and he's still just loitering around town always trailing one murderer or group of murderous supernaturals too late to stop them from killing other people.

 

Buffy at least was proactive with her Big Bads and killing the minor bads was just a form of supernatural weed control whereas Scott just waits for people to die before doing anything. As far as I'm concerned Scott is neither a hero or a leader because he seldom does anything overly heroic or actually leads anyone to anything but bad guys and death.

 

Either Scott cares about people and want to ensure their ongoing survival and is doing a shitty job at it or it's not his problem/responsibility and he should stop interfering with those who are actually trying to take care of the situation decisively. If it wasn't for Peter the Darach would still be on the loose sacrificing people at some other Nemeton for all Scott cared.

 

I find his ineptitude as a leader/protector frustrating in a protagonist. At this point he might as well as be the bleeding heart healer and just let someone else do all the heavy lifting.

 

Also where did Scott's dad wander off to ? Beacon Hills still has an absurdly high murder rate and it doesn't appear as if the town is getting any additional resources to handle it. We don't even have a corrupt mayor or police force to cover up all these murders with an excuse of PCP gangs...

 

I miss Isaac and Jackson and Allison and Derek and well I don't miss Cora because her story line never made any sense. Scott's werewolf pack consists of one beta he accidentally turned and a human, a kitsune, a banshee and werecoyote. None of which have bothered to find out how to use their powers from Deaton or parents or from a bestiary.

 

It's been 5 years and none of the characters have shown much in the way of character growth in the form of survival strategies. Kira doesn't use lightning attacks, Scott doesn't turn wolf and even Stiles forgot to bring his trusty bat along. These people seem to just wander from one murder scene to the next without any of it affecting them. It's tedious.

Edited July 19, 2015 by wayne67

[greenbean]

Well, if you have those expectations, it will be frustrating. Scott isn't meant to be Buffy. I don't recall that moment with Derek, though what Derek thinks Scott should be doing has never meant much. What's more reflective is that exchange with Deacon in the last episode. When Scott and Kira asked him what they should do, and he says what they've always done, protect their friends. That's pretty much it. Scott's not going to be patrolling Beacon Hills or quarantining villains.

 

The show has consistently portrayed them all as kids trying to deal with their powers, and trying to get through whatever drama finds them. I don't mind that. I don't mind Scott not being the avenging hero. I do want him to get better at fighting though, but that's part of him being a reluctant hero, who still fears his Alpha self. There was some exploration of that last season, but I would like more.

[beee]

I don’t mind Scott not taking responsibility for anything but his immediate surroundings. What I do mind is that every single person always harps on about how special he is because he’s a true alpha. And those two things don’t go together. If you want to create a reluctant hero, who is reactive all the time, fine, I'm on board with that. But don’t turn him into an uber-werewolf at the same time. It’s simply not enough having every character on the show raving about how wonderful he is and then failing to make us agree.

Also: I miss Scott being super dumb. The show really owned that their hero wasn’t the smartest tool in the box. Now he’s suddenly acing his tests? His slowness was a big part of his charm for me and since he doesn’t have much else going for him, they should maybe go back to that. It was funny and played well off Stiles.

[blueray]

 

Also: I miss Scott being super dumb. The show really owned that their hero wasn’t the smartest tool in the box. Now he’s suddenly acing his tests? His slowness was a big part of his charm for me and since he doesn’t have much else going for him, they should maybe go back to that. It was funny and played well off Stiles.

I have always took it as Scott has always been a "B" student, however he struggled when he was first bitten to maintain his grades, as he was understandable distracted.

[Terrafamilia]

Speculation regarding the Dread Doctors - If the writers of this show have read any Grant Morrison this trio would totally be visitors from a fictional reality who have made their way to the 'real' world or contagious concepts/ideas (memes) that are spread by a cursed paperback. If they haven't, it might turn out that they are psychic projections of someone's subconscious mind that are only based upon fictional characters. My memory is sketchy but didn't Steven Brand's character have a stack of reading material in his cell last year?

[wayne67]

I assume the Dread Doctors were the guys that Scott left Peter with at the end of Season 4. They are the only people that seem to have supernatural holding cells that might be interested in experimenting on supernaturals.

 

I think Jeff Davis is cribbing from Buffy season 4 ? With the Initiative. The Dread Doctors are probably trying to create a super normal like Adam with book smarts and every supernatural advantage ever to either save the world or end the world. The Argents taken to the next level perhaps.

 

Isn't the whole heroic arc supposed to be that the hero is from humble beginnings (asthma moron social reject), he gets the call to heroics, (the werewolf bite), he is reluctant to surrender himself to the cause (finding the Alpha), he gets pulled in to the shenanigans (Stiles, Melissa, Derek) and takes the call to heroics and defeats the bad guy (Peter).

 

Except in Scott's case he is always playing the reluctant hero so it never really feels like Scott is progressing in any particular way. Every season merely resets his disinterest in the supernatural world that he lives in which is just confusing. If he wants to protect his friends and himself and only them, you'd think they'd learn everything they could about supernatural threats so they could protect themselves from shocks and danger. Then we could actually get some decent world building with bestiary research.

 

They don't even do the bare minimum to stay out of danger like move out of town.

 

As for Scott he doesn't try very hard to maintain his pack. Isaac, Jackson, Peter (which is fair enough), Derek, Cora, the shirtless twins, Brett, Satsumi. One of the twins dies to help protect him and his friends and he doesn't even try and convince him to stay and help out.

 

If Scott doesn't want to constantly endanger his friends he could JUST GIVE UP BEING THE TRUE ALPHA. Derek gave away his Alpha power healing his sister, Scott could give up his super power to the other reasonable pack leader who's a buddhist and Scott would actually have a legitimate reason to be A) a sucky fighter after 5 years and B) not get involved.

 

If Scott was the sidekick I wouldn't care that he sucks at fighting, at strategy, at detective work, he could just be the dead weight of the group and I wouldn't care but he is always being referred as special for being the true Alpha and as of yet we haven't had any clarification as to WHY that's so important. Other than a deeper well of reserve strength to draw on when he's constipated (in danger) than I don't see how he's particularly better than any other Beta or Alpha.

[AudienceofOne]

Other than a deeper well of reserve strength to draw on when he's constipated (in danger) than I don't see how he's particularly better than any other Beta or Alpha

 

 

Also because when he was a Beta/Omega they clearly demonstrated that he had natural leadership abilities that drew other wolves to him. Isaac in particular, but also Boyd ,treated him like their Alpha even before he was one and he acted like one too.  He cared about the pack, he was there for them, he supported them, they looked to him for guidance. Now he just acts like he's a wolf and there happen to be other wolves around but he's got bigger problems, really.