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11 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I really, really, really like, even love, the 2005 Pride and Prejudice, but everyone's points are completely spot on  and I'm not even going to try to dispute them. Here's the thing: the 1995 P&P is, IMO, sheer and utter perfection in every single respect, and it is #1 in my heart forever and ever. My affection for the 2005 version is how beautifully flawed it is (and it is flawed, make no mistake). I love the cinematography, the direction (when it works), and holy shit, the score! The music is out of this world!

But, yes, everyone's arguments are absolutely right: it's not for Jane Austen purists, and Austen herself would probably find it appalling.

Speaking of Ms. Austen, I doubt she'd find any adaptation of Mansfield Park satisfactory, especially the 2007 version (I like Billie Piper, but Fanny Price she ain't).

I really enjoyed this year's Emma. Anya Taylor-Joy gives a unique interpretation of Emma Woodhouse, and Mia Goth puts a surprisingly melancholy spin on the usually ditzy and comical Harriet Smith. The 1996 version is still my favorite (though I understand why others don't like it).

 

Yeah, Jane would have had issues with  all of the adaptations of Mansfield Park.  I haven't seen the Billie Piper version because I don't care for her as an actress.  But, I have watched the 1999 version a few times and have read the book more than once.  In the book Henry Crawford is short and ugly, words I would never use to describe Alessandro Nivola.  By casting a handsome actor, the whole tone of the second half of the movie changes.  I don't think Jane ever wanted her reader to seriously consider Henry as a possible husband for Fanny let alone Fanny.  Then you have the issue with book Fanny being quite frankly boring and judgmental.  Qualities no one wants in their heroine, and most adaptations make her too lively.  All that being said, Hugh Bonneville really nails the ridiculous Mr. Rushworth, and Embeth Davidtz shines as Mary Crawford.

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3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Yeah, Jane would have had issues with  all of the adaptations of Mansfield Park.  I haven't seen the Billie Piper version because I don't care for her as an actress.  But, I have watched the 1999 version a few times and have read the book more than once.  In the book Henry Crawford is short and ugly, words I would never use to describe Alessandro Nivola.  By casting a handsome actor, the whole tone of the second half of the movie changes.  I don't think Jane ever wanted her reader to seriously consider Henry as a possible husband for Fanny let alone Fanny.  Then you have the issue with book Fanny being quite frankly boring and judgmental.  Qualities no one wants in their heroine, and most adaptations make her too lively.  All that being said, Hugh Bonneville really nails the ridiculous Mr. Rushworth, and Embeth Davidtz shines as Mary Crawford.

I still like the 1999 version of Mansfield Park but, again, it's not a very faithful adaptation. 

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15 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

I really, really, really like, even love, the 2005 Pride and Prejudice, but everyone's points are completely spot on  and I'm not even going to try to dispute them. Here's the thing: the 1995 P&P is, IMO, sheer and utter perfection in every single respect, and it is #1 in my heart forever and ever. My affection for the 2005 version is how beautifully flawed it is (and it is flawed, make no mistake). I love the cinematography, the direction (when it works), and holy shit, the score! The music is out of this world!

But, yes, everyone's arguments are absolutely right: it's not for Jane Austen purists, and Austen herself would probably find it appalling.

Yeah I like 2005 Pride and Prejudice too despite the flaws pointed out by others here. I have more affection for this Bennet family and I don't care I'm not supposed to find them ideal. I like that the house feels like the Weasleys Burrow! I like that Mrs Bennet is depicted more sympathetically and that Mr. Bennet is a loving father to all the girls not just Lizzie. He made a mistake but not because he doesnt care. Charlotte's speech(though making her  desperate as opposed to aromantic) is important because it shows girls today the reality of the times. I like that it's set in 1797, the year Austen was Lizzie's age and you see the transition from Georgian style to Regency.  Agree with you Wiendish completely on the camera work, direction and music. I love the  long tracking shot at Netherfield ball and the continuous shot of Lizzie and Darcy dancing. It's so nice to see a director who started out in British television who actually knows how to frame properly unlike others.*cough* Tom Hooper *cough* .Director Joe Wright said he he grew up watching high school movies from America in the 80s so that's what influenced his take and that's what I see the movie as, a period teen movie. Bingley's sister serving Mean Girl shade in all her scenes was fun. Also Tom Hollander as Mr. Collins reminds me so much of 60s era Dudley Moore, especially when he's giving a sermon.

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As we are talking about Jane Austen adaptations, one day I would love to see one where the older characters are played by actors who are closer in age to the written characters.  Most adaptations cast actors far older than the character.  Mrs. Bennett in the book is somewhere between 40 and 45, and Lady Catherine should be somewhere between 45 and 50.  Mrs. Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility is only 40 and has a 10 year-old daughter.  

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50 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

As we are talking about Jane Austen adaptations, one day I would love to see one where the older characters are played by actors who are closer in age to the written characters.  Most adaptations cast actors far older than the character.  Mrs. Bennett in the book is somewhere between 40 and 45, and Lady Catherine should be somewhere between 45 and 50.  Mrs. Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility is only 40 and has a 10 year-old daughter.  

Yeah watching the 2005 P&P with Judi Dench playing her you think "Did Lady Catherine have her daughter when she was in her 50s?"

 

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4 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

As we are talking about Jane Austen adaptations, one day I would love to see one where the older characters are played by actors who are closer in age to the written characters.  Most adaptations cast actors far older than the character.  Mrs. Bennett in the book is somewhere between 40 and 45, and Lady Catherine should be somewhere between 45 and 50.  Mrs. Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility is only 40 and has a 10 year-old daughter.  

Margaret is 13, not 10.

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1 hour ago, Conotocarious said:

Margaret is 13, not 10.

I couldn't remember her age, I only remembered she was still a girl and not out.  But. Mrs. Dashwood still is supposed to be 40, only five years older than Colonel Brandon.  She still is young enough to marry again if she chose.

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I really enjoyed the 2020 Emma. I liked that they didn't shy away from making Emma a total bitch at points, thought Harriet was well done, felt swoony over Callum Turner, and enjoyed Mr. Knightley. I even kind of loved his adorable feathered hair. The costumes were on-point and it was just a fun concoction. I think Austin herself would have enjoyed it.

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I decided to put this video essay here after briefly considering put it in the villains thread. I had not seen the 2012 animated version of The Lorax and I barely remember the book which I only know had an environmental message. I did not know how they changed the character of the book's villain the "Onceler" and how it resulted in him having an obsessed fandom of mostly young women!

 

 

 

 

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In a lot of ways, The Devil Wears Prada greatly improved on the book. However, to this day, I don't know why they couldn't keep Andy's boyfriend a teacher. It would make him look less like a hypocrite if he was helping inner city kids learn instead of feeding rich people at his own intense yet equally superficial job. It would also explain why they were living together since I could chalk them both meeting at Northwestern. 

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7 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

In a lot of ways, The Devil Wears Prada greatly improved on the book. However, to this day, I don't know why they couldn't keep Andy's boyfriend a teacher. It would make him look less like a hypocrite if he was helping inner city kids learn instead of feeding rich people at his own intense yet equally superficial job. It would also explain why they were living together since I could chalk them both meeting at Northwestern. 

I agree.  Nate and all of their friends were working superficial jobs just like her, but for some reason hers was the one always being questioned.  I also liked that the movie omitted Andy's Wall Street roommates who were also working 80 hours a week for little to no pay.  Book Andy was so whiny about having to work a demanding job at the ripe old age of 22.  A job where she had clear path to something better after only one year of hell.  

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On 5/13/2020 at 1:12 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

As we are talking about Jane Austen adaptations, one day I would love to see one where the older characters are played by actors who are closer in age to the written characters.  Most adaptations cast actors far older than the character.  Mrs. Bennett in the book is somewhere between 40 and 45, and Lady Catherine should be somewhere between 45 and 50.  Mrs. Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility is only 40 and has a 10 year-old daughter.  

You get this in Love and Friendship, which was based on the short novella Lady Susan. Kate Beckinsale plays a recently widowed woman who schemes to match herself as well as her daughter.

Of course in that case they had to cast her as someone actually in her 40's instead of a 50-something because her character 

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winds up happily married and pregnant at the end.

I feel like the success of Bridgerton means we're going to see a lot of "re-imagined" Austen adaptions. They already announced a modern adaption of Persuasion with Dakota Johnson.

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