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[oliviabenson]

The dentist might just have painted 101 red arrows pointing at his picture and circle it 

GUILTY

I think he might plead guilty.

The poor 6 kids are now orphans.

[kathyk24]

Blood Money on CNBC did an episode on the Margaret Rudin case last night. I don't know how the jury found her guilty when the prosecution's star witness denied knowing about the murder. The episode spent more time trying to prove her guilt instead of her innocence.

[Jeeves]

27 minutes ago, kathyk24 said:

Blood Money on CNBC did an episode on the Margaret Rudin case last night. I don't know how the jury found her guilty when the prosecution's star witness denied knowing about the murder. The episode spent more time trying to prove her guilt instead of her innocence.

Last night I clicked onto HLN for literally the last minute of Forensic Files. It was the Margaret Rudin episode. There was no update at the end. I didn't know she was released until I read it here the other day. 

[Annber03]

9 hours ago, Jeeves said:

He ordered arsenic from Amazon.com (good Lord - I had no idea you could DO that!), which was delivered two days before his wife was first sickened and admitted to the hospital. Seriously. Good old Amazon delivery status tracking. Not infallible, but overall darn reliable. 

I didn't realize you could do that, either, and I'm a little unnerved by that realization. Surely the people handling that order would have a few questions, I'd think. I know I would. 

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"[W]hile his wife was hospitalized, a woman with whom [he] had exchanged sexually explicit messages flew from Texas into Colorado to visit him." I think the cops hopped right on to this mobile carrier and got into his text messages, or maybe this was an email the doofus sent from work.

Dear god, I hope she's come to her senses, or will do so soon. 

I love it when stupid people wind up creating their own downfall. Good job, moron. He deserves everything that's coming to him. 

[SoMuchTV]

On 3/22/2023 at 6:36 PM, Annber03 said:

I didn't realize you could do that, either, and I'm a little unnerved by that realization. Surely the people handling that order would have a few questions, I'd think. I know I would. 

There must be some legitimate uses, if it’s sold to the general public. Here, let me Google it, or check the Amazon product description… oh wait, no, don’t do that! 😳

[Jeeves]

13 hours ago, SoMuchTV said:

There must be some legitimate uses, if it’s sold to the general public. Here, let me Google it, or check the Amazon product description… oh wait, no, don’t do that! 😳

I know - I didn't do it either!! 😨

The Daily Mail did a deep dive into the arrest affidavit. Looks like his colleagues reported him.

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11883101/Porn-addict-dentist-arrested-murdering-wife-poison-laced-protein-shakes.html. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11885715/Colorado-dentist-accused-poisoning-wife-told-colleagues-playing-game-chicken.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11895193/Colorado-Mormon-dentist-appears-court-charged-poisoning-wife.html

The YouTuber HG Tudor - a narcissist who explains narcissism to the rest of us - has posted a three-part commentary on this case looking at it as narcissism (the doofus dentist) in action - "The Poisonous Affair." I thought it was interesting that Tudor said, almost as a throwaway, that the doofus dentist doesn't have friends, which I thought right away when I read the first news story. The final part of his discussion of the case includes his reading passages from the incredibly long and stunningly self-absorbed text that doofus sent his business partner. It's so Narcissism 101 that it's hard for me to contemplate. He's begging - almost ordering (ha! good luck with that) - the partner to not talk to the cops, and invoking his six kids, and whining about how haaard it all is. 🤮

It hurts my heart to think about those six kids. Apparently the older ones are young adults. I'm glad they appear to have close relatives on their mother's side, and they aren't left all alone in the world by their mother's murder and their dad's imprisonment. Still, cold comfort.

[oliviabenson]

The dentist is really really dumb. I’m still trying to figure out how he thought he would get away with it.

And what is known about his girlfriend from Texas? 

[oliviabenson]

A school shooting today in Nashville. The shooter was a female. It’s a rarity for a woman to do that! 

[badhaggis]

The shooter is a 28 year old woman. They know who she is. No name has been released. This seems very different than other school shootings.

[badhaggis]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876

They have identified the shooter.

[Tdoc72]

Evil Lives Here—new episode labeled season 13 episode 8. Former soap opera star’s brother kills their mom. 
😡 This same exact episode aired in 2018 as episode 7, season 13. SAME EXACT!!

I know they repackage their shows to other titles sometimes but this is the same show. Ridiculous. 
 

[One Tough Cookie]

re:  Nashville.  I'm afraid the whole transgender angle will become a more important angle than the actual tragedy.

[Jeeves]

3 hours ago, One Tough Cookie said:

re:  Nashville.  I'm afraid the whole transgender angle will become a more important angle than the actual tragedy.

So am I. 

In other news, Brenda Andrew is still on Oklahoma's death row; she's lost her most recent appeal to the federal courts. She and her lover murdered her husband in 2001. The case was on Forensic Files ("Sunday School Ambush" S10:E32) and also on Snapped in 2005. Probably on other shows as well but I can't remember. 

[andromeda331]

4 hours ago, One Tough Cookie said:

re:  Nashville.  I'm afraid the whole transgender angle will become a more important angle than the actual tragedy.

It will and it'll be used to villify and take away rights from transgenders. 

[One Tough Cookie]

12 hours ago, Jeeves said:

So am I. 

In other news, Brenda Andrew is still on Oklahoma's death row; she's lost her most recent appeal to the federal courts. She and her lover murdered her husband in 2001. The case was on Forensic Files ("Sunday School Ambush" S10:E32) and also on Snapped in 2005. Probably on other shows as well but I can't remember. 

I saw the sentencing.  It twas chilling. She smirked and told the judge she was "a lovinng  mother".  I don't think she really thought she would wind up on death row.

eta: Pavvat was so creepy and sleazy looking man, I'm surprised that anyone would SLEEP with him, let alone want to kill for him.

Edited March 28, 2023 by One Tough Cookie

[oliviabenson]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11908699/Colorado-dentist-Jim-Craig-knee-deep-debt-wife-poisoned.html

[badhaggis]

6 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11908699/Colorado-dentist-Jim-Craig-knee-deep-debt-wife-poisoned.html

I am not surprised he is out of control in all aspects of his life. just a classic garden variety narcissist.

[One Tough Cookie]

2 hours ago, badhaggis said:

I am not surprised he is out of control in all aspects of his life. just a classic garden variety narcissist.

I have this recorded but I haven't seen it yet. One of the cable channels did a segment on it and it's sitting among the other shows I have yet to watch.

[One Tough Cookie]

Did anyone see Dateline with Andrea Canning Saturday nite?  It was about a reptile dealer and his murder {not giving anything away}.  I really admired how calmly Andrea reacted to a snake wrapped around her neck!

Edited March 28, 2023 by One Tough Cookie

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, One Tough Cookie said:

Did anyone see Dateline with Andrea Canning Saturday nite?  It was about a reptile dealer and his murder {not giving anything away}.  I really admired how calmly Andrea reacted to a snake wrapped around her neck!

Yeah, I saw that one when it originally aired on NBC, and I was amused at the woman telling Andrea exactly how snakes like that will kill their prey...all while Andrea had one draped around her neck :p. 

But yeah, she was braver than I'd be in that situation. I don't have a fear of snakes, really, but I'm also not exactly eager to drape one around my neck. Especially not one that big. 

[Razzberry]

Dick Wolfe's "new" show Blood & Money is nothing but reruns of famous cases we've seen countless times elsewhere.  Robert Durst,  Quad-Mom Sheila Belish, etc. Do we really need yet another?  Not impressed.

[LuvMyShows]

I'm watching the ABC show "The Genetic Detectives".  It's about CC Moore, who is one of the pioneers of genetic genealogy.  In the first or second episode, there was a case that had been cold for I think 20 years.  Using genetic genealogy, she solved it in 2 hours!!!  And it sounded so involved with what she had to do, but I guess she is just so good at it, that she was able to do it so quickly.

[Jeeves]

On 3/30/2023 at 12:08 PM, Razzberry said:

Dick Wolfe's "new" show Blood & Money is nothing but reruns of famous cases we've seen countless times elsewhere.  Robert Durst,  Quad-Mom Sheila Belish, etc. Do we really need yet another?  Not impressed.

Neither am I. It's disappointing. 

[LuvMyShows]

On 3/31/2023 at 9:14 PM, LuvMyShows said:

I'm watching the ABC show "The Genetic Detectives".   It's about CC Moore, who is one of the pioneers of genetic genealogy. 

Quoting myself because I watched another episode and heard something fascinating.  One of the detectives who used CC and her genetic genealogy to solve a cold case, said that in the past with cold cases, victims would wonder if the perp is still out there, and look over their shoulder worrying if they will come for them.   But now, with what genetic genealogy can do, it's the cold case perps who worry about the cops/detectives being out there, and looking over their shoulder worrying whether they will come for them.

[LuvMyShows]

On 3/31/2023 at 9:14 PM, LuvMyShows said:

I'm watching the ABC show "The Genetic Detectives".  It's about CC Moore, who is one of the pioneers of genetic genealogy.  

Quoting myself one last time on this franchise (since I just finished all 6 episodes), but CC Moore is the one who solved the Angie Dodge case, which was covered by several franchises.

[auntjess]

One of my favorite true crime shows is ATLHomicide, on TV1.  Quinn and Vinny!

 

[Razzberry]

I thought I'd learned everything there is to know about Ted Bundy, so I almost gave Oxygen's Violent Minds:  Killers on Tape a pass.   It surprised me with a lot of new information.  One of the court-appointed doctors who interviewed him in depth for the DaRonch kidnapping case (the one who got away) saved all his tapes.  He even taped Ted's mother ("Ted was always a good boy") and old girlfriends ("There was something strange about him").  It was chilling.  Turns out he is strongly suspected in killing two teens in New Jersey as well. 

[Annber03]

4 hours ago, Razzberry said:

Turns out he is strongly suspected in killing two teens in New Jersey as well. 

Good lord, is there a state he DIDN'T hit during his crime spree? 

[One Tough Cookie]

5 hours ago, Razzberry said:

I thought I'd learned everything there is to know about Ted Bundy, so I almost gave Oxygen's Violent Minds:  Killers on Tape a pass.   It surprised me with a lot of new information.  One of the court-appointed doctors who interviewed him in depth for the DaRonch kidnapping case (the one who got away) saved all his tapes.  He even taped Ted's mother ("Ted was always a good boy") and old girlfriends ("There was something strange about him").  It was chilling.  Turns out he is strongly suspected in killing two teens in New Jersey as well. 

I saw it and initially thought "same old, same old" but then I realized it was actually new information and watched it.  I didn't erase it because I wanted to  watch it again and really take in all the new info.  Apparently this is a new series and there will be a new epi next week about two killers.  Finally some original material!

[Razzberry]

I wish I had recorded it, but it's on YouTube.

part 2

 

[oliviabenson]

Started watching Joe Kenda show on Hulu. It’s new to me.

[oliviabenson]

Anyone else reading the crime blog called:

It’s crime o’clock somewhere?

[auntjess]

On 4/4/2023 at 7:02 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

I saw it and initially thought "same old, same old" but then I realized it was actually new information and watched it.  I didn't erase it because I wanted to  watch it again and really take in all the new info.  Apparently this is a new series and there will be a new epi next week about two killers.  Finally some original material!

Episode 3 is on Sunday, 4/9, and 7P and again at 10:30 and Monday.
First episode, Ted Bundy parts 1 *2, repeat Wed. 4/12, and 1am & 2 am.
All on Oxygen, 

I set this to record because of reading about it here.

 

[SunnyBeBe]

I’m not sure how I’ve only recently seen Fear Thy Roommate.  Man, that’s pretty scary.  These roommate situations can really turn south.  Most of these episodes feature women.  And, it’s usually the tenant who does the killing.  

Edited April 8, 2023 by SunnyBeBe

[andromeda331]

On 4/4/2023 at 8:42 PM, oliviabenson said:

Started watching Joe Kenda show on Hulu. It’s new to me.

I love Kenda. He's so funny and sarcastic.

[SunnyBeBe]

I really think we are passed the days of living in a town where no one locks their doors.  (Perhaps, a few.) I keep hearing that comment on these true crime shows.  It’s difficult to imagine there have been any towns where locking doors was not common place since at least 1970.  Or at least 2000!  Even small towns in rural areas have been touched by crime in the last 20 years.  To me it perpetuates a myth of people feeling super safe in their community from crime.   (I realize locking your door is no bar against someone targeting your home.)

[andromeda331]

11 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I really think we are passed the days of living in a town where no one locks their doors.  (Perhaps, a few.) I keep hearing that comment on these true crime shows.  It’s difficult to imagine there have been any towns where locking doors was not common place since at least 1970.  Or at least 2000!  Even small towns in rural areas have been touched by crime in the last 20 years.  To me it perpetuates a myth of people feeling super safe in their community from crime.   (I realize locking your door is no bar against someone targeting your home.)

The latest City Confidential episode started out saying the same thing about Marin County, California. Then mentioned that Robin Williams and George Lucas lived there. I really hope they would lock their doors given how crazy fans can be. 

[auntjess]

I've never lived where no one locked their doors, and if they're that naive, they need a wake up call.
 

[chessiegal]

12 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Then mentioned that Robin Williams and George Lucas lived there. I really hope they would lock their doors given how crazy fans can be. 

Robin Williams won't be worried - he died in 2014. 😉

[SunnyBeBe]

I didn’t see the one about Williams and Lucas.  
 

I did find Death By Fame about Katy Perry’s former boyfriend, Johnny Lewis, fascinating.  This guy was a promising young actor who had a substantial role on Sons Of Anarchy.  He had other roles too, on prime time crime shows. He ended up turning into a bizarre person who eventually murdered a lady and fell to his death.   

[auntjess]

Something new to catch the killer.  Look up "geofencing."
This was in an Atlanta show I saw on Oxygen, and they'd run out of suspects, and one of the cops had a demonstration of this.
It shows which phones were in the area.
I see defense attorneys saying it's a warrantless search, but they could ask for a warrant.  
And warrants aren't needed to view surveillance tapes.

 

[SunnyBeBe]

I would suspect it would depend on the person’s expectation of privacy as well. There’s not much of an expectation of privacy with cell phones, imo.  Plus, with surveillance video, none there either.  

Edited April 10, 2023 by SunnyBeBe

[auntjess]

The show with geofencing was The Real Murders of Atlanta, and on the schedule, the episode was The Final Act---BUT--- the description didn't match the episode I saw.
It was about a gay guy murdered in his home.

[SunnyBeBe]

That Murder in The Wild West is pretty intense.
 

 I’m not sure about the one called Very Scary People.  It’s being advertised on ID right now by Donnie Wahlberg.  it seems like it gives killers too much credit.  They shouldn’t be complimented in any way, imo.  I sense some of them would like being called scary.  

Edited April 10, 2023 by SunnyBeBe

[Vermicious Knid]

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Look up "geofencing."

But there is a constitutional expectation of privacy, even with cell phones. It's already being challenged in court. 

Federal Court in Virginia Holds Geofence Warrant Violates Fourth Amendment.

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The case is United States v. Chatrie, and addresses a controversial tool called a geofence warrant. The police issued the warrant to Google seeking information on every device within the area of the robbery during a one-hour period. The geographic area was about 17.5 acres (about 3 and a half times the footprint of a New York city block) and included a church, a chain restaurant, a hotel, several apartments and residences, a senior living facility, a self-storage business, and two busy streets.

Google’s initial search identified 19 devices, with a total of 210 individual location points. Google assigned anonymizing identifiers to each device and provided their locations to the police. Following a three-step process designed by Google, the police expanded the time period to two hours to get additional location information for 9 of the devices....after several hearings and extensive expert testimony, the court issued a thorough, 63-page order holding the warrant was unconstitutional. The court held that it’s not enough for the police to allege that a crime was committed and the perpetrator used a cellphone. If the police want to get information on every device in the area, they must also establish probable cause to search every person in the area, something that’s likely impossible in a busy area like this one.

The court further held that Google’s three-step process did not cure the warrant's defects. The initial anonymization of the data didn’t help because, as the court recognized, “[e]ven ‘anonymized’ location data—from innocent people—can reveal astonishing glimpses into individuals' private lives when the Government collects data across even a one- or two-hour period.” 

...witnesses also showed that, despite this claimed precision, the data may not be all that accurate. It may place a device inside the geofenced area that was, in fact hundreds of feet away and vice versa. This creates the possibility of both false positives and false negatives—people could be implicated for the robbery when they were nowhere near the bank, or the actual perpetrator might not show up at all in the data Google provides to police.

 

[SunnyBeBe]

7 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

But there is a constitutional expectation of privacy, even with cell phones. It's already being challenged in court. 

Federal Court in Virginia Holds Geofence Warrant Violates Fourth Amendment.

I just saw this described in the People Magazine special about the abducted Mennonite girl.  It was quite fascinating.  

[Razzberry]

New episode of Accident, Suicide or Murder? on Oxygen tonight.   Last week was good, about two deaf friends who went on a roadtrip and one murdered the other.

Awhile back they showed one where a female was murdered (at first glance) in her apartment.  She was stabbed in the neck, and family claims she would never commit suicide.  However, the only entrance, her front door, was locked and latched with one of these.

She lived several floors up and had balcony, but it had snowed and there were no footprints or disturbances in the snow.  One guy claimed that it had to be murder, that the latch could easily be set from the outside upon leaving.  I don't think so, and he never demonstrated how.  They also said no one would stab themselves in the neck like she did.  I think they might, if they didn't want their family to think they killed themselves.  It was really a mystery.  I like the show.

[SunnyBeBe]

4 hours ago, Razzberry said:

New episode of Accident, Suicide or Murder? on Oxygen tonight.   Last week was good, about two deaf friends who went on a roadtrip and one murdered the other.

Awhile back they showed one where a female was murdered (at first glance) in her apartment.  She was stabbed in the neck, and family claims she would never commit suicide.  However, the only entrance, her front door, was locked and latched with one of these.

She lived several floors up and had balcony, but it had snowed and there were no footprints or disturbances in the snow.  One guy claimed that it had to be murder, that the latch could easily be set from the outside upon leaving.  I don't think so, and he never demonstrated how.  They also said no one would stab themselves in the neck like she did.  I think they might, if they didn't want their family to think they killed themselves.  It was really a mystery.  I like the show.

I’ll check out that episode.   I find those cases of no obvious forced entry intriguing.  I actually have seen someone use a device that is pulled through the door that works with the lock you show.  I’m not sure if it’s true.  It might just be a tv stunt.  

[LuvMyShows]

Aaarrgghh!  I don't understand how police departments can be so stupid.  The recent A Time to Kill episode, "Hero Betrayed", showed a story I'd seen on other franchises, in which a beloved fire department lieutenant is gunned down when he returns home after buying fast food for the family.  But none of the leads went anywhere and they had no suspects.  They even used wording like "laid in wait" to describe how the gunman seemed to be ready and waiting for the man to walk up to his house.  So, I don't know, maybe look at how the shooter could have known when the man would arrive at the house?!  And surprise surprise, turns out the wife had been communicating with the shooter to let him know when he could come over, and then keeping him informed about how soon the father would return with the food. Seems like basic crime solving 101 to me!!!

[oliviabenson]

11 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Aaarrgghh!  I don't understand how police departments can be so stupid.  The recent A Time to Kill episode, "Hero Betrayed", showed a story I'd seen on other franchises, in which a beloved fire department lieutenant is gunned down when he returns home after buying fast food for the family.  But none of the leads went anywhere and they had no suspects.  They even used wording like "laid in wait" to describe how the gunman seemed to be ready and waiting for the man to walk up to his house.  So, I don't know, maybe look at how the shooter could have known when the man would arrive at the house?!  And surprise surprise, turns out the wife had been communicating with the shooter to let him know when he could come over, and then keeping him informed about how soon the father would return with the food. Seems like basic crime solving 101 to me!!!

Is that the one where:

his girlfriend claimed she had cancer so he’d marry her? And after he got murdered she got no life insurance because it went to his ex wife?

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2017/07/wife_of_slain_cleveland_firefi_1.html

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