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I have to admit that it’s not going to be the same without Mr. Thomas.(I know there were a couple of FF episodes with a different narrator.)

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3 hours ago, smittykins said:

I have to admit that it’s not going to be the same without Mr. Thomas.(I know there were a couple of FF episodes with a different narrator.)

Perhaps they could get Sam Elliott as the narrator?

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31 minutes ago, Brattinella said:

Perhaps they could get Sam Elliott as the narrator?

...oooooh, okay, who do we talk to to make this happen? 

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I've been watching a little of a real life double murder trial in my city this week.  I expect that it will make its way onto the ID channel.  It sure is a VERY disturbing case.  This supposed, nice young man, murders his mother then puts her on ice in the bathtub for a couple of days, while he hangs out, drinks a little, then, breaks into his girlfriend's house and murders her.  He told her that he had murdered his mother, but, she didn't believe him......oh my.  Then, he calls 911 and reports himself. He actually took the stand and TESTIFIED on his own behalf. An arrogant jackass, too.  Trial picks up tomorrow, but, I'm not sure how much is left. It's live streaming, but, there are some videos too on that site. (This defendant is a dead ringer for Shemar Moore, formerly of Criminal Minds, please pardon the pun.)

https://www.wral.com/day-6-of-cary-double-murder-trial-resumes/18672353/

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18 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I've been watching a little of a real life double murder trial in my city this week.  I expect that it will make its way onto the ID channel.  It sure is a VERY disturbing case.  This supposed, nice young man, murders his mother then puts her on ice in the bathtub for a couple of days, while he hangs out, drinks a little, then, breaks into his girlfriend's house and murders her.  He told her that he had murdered his mother, but, she didn't believe him......oh my.  Then, he calls 911 and reports himself. He actually took the stand and TESTIFIED on his own behalf. An arrogant jackass, too.  Trial picks up tomorrow, but, I'm not sure how much is left. It's live streaming, but, there are some videos too on that site. (This defendant is a dead ringer for Shemar Moore, formerly of Criminal Minds, please pardon the pun.)

https://www.wral.com/day-6-of-cary-double-murder-trial-resumes/18672353/

Now that's one I would definitely watch!

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The story of Anna Borntreger was about the worst murder I've ever seen.  He should have gotten the death penalty or LWOP.  I guess Missouri is a good place to murder your wife.  She was only 25 and she had borne him 5 children.  I was appalled at what he did to her (for a younger woman, natch)

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8 hours ago, Brattinella said:

The story of Anna Borntreger was about the worst murder I've ever seen.  He should have gotten the death penalty or LWOP.  I guess Missouri is a good place to murder your wife.  She was only 25 and she had borne him 5 children.  I was appalled at what he did to her (for a younger woman, natch)

Murder in Amish Country.  I'm just starting to watch the second episode now.

Once again, religion is the root of the evil.  When it preaches that divorce is so unacceptable that a "believer" thinks murder is a viable alternative ...  But then again, that husband was a twisted pervert.

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3 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

 When it preaches that divorce is so unacceptable that a "believer" thinks murder is a viable alternative ...  But then again, that husband was a twisted pervert.

What got me is he had gotten away with it for 10 years.  He never would have confessed, but he wanted to be a Bishop and needed absolution from his sins. 

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27 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

What got me is he had gotten away with it for 10 years.  He never would have confessed, but he wanted to be a Bishop and needed absolution from his sins. 

Incredible, isn't it?!?

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The cases that bother me, are the male officers who fail to investigate. Do men usually have several wives who have gone missing?  How many women have to be gone, for you to get off your asses and investigate? Yup, women just up and leave their children all of the time.
 

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On 9/27/2019 at 8:33 PM, Andyourlittledog2 said:

What really annoys me is American Monster. The episodes this season aren't  very 'monstery'. They could easily be on any show where a husband or wife offs the other spouse in a not very original way. The only criteria now seems to be does the narrator-relative-friend-whatever have home movies. They don't even need to be home movies that include the perpetrator for the most part. Not that the home movies aren't annoying in themselves. 

I know, and they're dragging it out so much that you don't even know who did what until it's more than half over.

On 9/29/2019 at 8:05 PM, auntjess said:

I'm liking the Canadian series on ID, The Case that Haunts Me.

I like that too.  I saw one about some white supremacists who killed this guy just for kicks.  They finally nailed them, but at the end it said "[forgot name] received Life in prison without chance of parole for 10 years".   10 whole years, really?  For murdering someone in cold blood for no reason, I don't think they should ever get out.   But that's Canada.

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On 10/4/2019 at 11:31 PM, Brattinella said:

The story of Anna Borntreger was about the worst murder I've ever seen.  He should have gotten the death penalty or LWOP.  I guess Missouri is a good place to murder your wife.  She was only 25 and she had borne him 5 children.  I was appalled at what he did to her (for a younger woman, natch)

Was that the one where they owned a business, and the guy was surfing porn on his cell phone, and putting himself on dating sites?  Or was that a different Amish murder?

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4 hours ago, funky-rat said:

Was that the one where they owned a business, and the guy was surfing porn on his cell phone, and putting himself on dating sites?  Or was that a different Amish murder?

I think it was the one where he decided to be a "chiropractor" and performed unspeakable "treatments" on his female patients, among other things.  But I watched 3 episodes back-to-back, and, like most true crime I watch, they sort of blur together, and the details get confusing ...

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On 10/6/2019 at 4:43 AM, nokat said:

The cases that bother me, are the male officers who fail to investigate. Do men usually have several wives who have gone missing?  How many women have to be gone, for you to get off your asses and investigate? Yup, women just up and leave their children all of the time.
 

Yeah, and the police who think that a person just disappeared on their own.  Like, when their car is still in the drive, phone and wallet still in the house, etc. And, kids who are very prominent on social media?  Most kids are too connected to social media to lose total connection with no clue. I am still astounded at the number of family members who try to report someone missing under suspicious circumstances who say they are told, it's too early! It boggles the mind. The first 24 hours is crucial. 

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I had a good laugh freeze framing the "actual police photo" of items in what the detective described as a backpack "full of things you'd need if you're leaving town - a Go Bag, if you will" - on one of the ID shows I watched tonite.  In addition to a small box of rings & a watch, the backpack contained these items :  Bic lighter, spoon, swizzle straw, charger cord, glasses case, Colgate, Invader Zim, a few small unidentifiable trinkets, and 2 packs of Maruchan Ramen Noodle Soup.  Guess that cop never left town, eh!

ETA:  "Have Ramen, Will Travel" signed, Paladin.

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Would you believe someone who promised to pay you, IF you helped them murder someone, because there was a TEN MILLION DOLLAR life insurance policy?  Please.  

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10 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

I had a good laugh freeze framing the "actual police photo" of items in what the detective described as a backpack "full of things you'd need if you're leaving town - a Go Bag, if you will" - on one of the ID shows I watched tonite.  In addition to a small box of rings & a watch, the backpack contained these items :  Bic lighter, spoon, swizzle straw, charger cord, glasses case, Colgate, Invader Zim, a few small unidentifiable trinkets, and 2 packs of Maruchan Ramen Noodle Soup.  Guess that cop never left town, eh!

ETA:  "Have Ramen, Will Travel" signed, Paladin.

Sounds like a "Go Bag" for a drug addict....

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10 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Would you believe someone who promised to pay you, IF you helped them murder someone, because there was a TEN MILLION DOLLAR life insurance policy?  Please.  

It still boggles my mind that when someone hires a “hitman,” It never occurs to them that “hmmm, on TV, it turns out to be an undercover cop about 99.99999999% of the time.”

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On 10/2/2019 at 9:07 AM, smittykins said:

I have to admit that it’s not going to be the same without Mr. Thomas.(I know there were a couple of FF episodes with a different narrator.)

As far as I'm concerned, ain't no Forensic Files without Peter Thomas. Can't they make like, a deepfake of his voice or something?

14 hours ago, funky-rat said:

Sounds like a "Go Bag" for a drug addict....

Needs more Sour Patch Kids (fun fact: as a general rule, opiate users LOVE Sour Patch Kids...none of them can really explain why, they just do).

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On 10/6/2019 at 3:24 PM, Razzberry said:
On 9/29/2019 at 11:05 PM, auntjess said:

I'm liking the Canadian series on ID, The Case that Haunts Me.

I like that too.  I saw one about some white supremacists who killed this guy just for kicks.  They finally nailed them, but at the end it said "[forgot name] received Life in prison without chance of parole for 10 years".   10 whole years, really?  For murdering someone in cold blood for no reason, I don't think they should ever get out.   But that's Canada.

Yes, I just watched this episode tonight, and it was 2nd degree murder, not first.  On the other hand, surveillance cameras and wiretaps in their home.
BUT, I had seen this crime recently, it must be the same because of the details.  I thought it might have been a See No Evil, but didn't see a likely episode.
It was a gentle guy, beaten to death outside a convenience store, swastikas and Nazis, and in that one, he'd gone behind the store because he had to empty his ostomy bag.
Did anyone else see it?

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1 hour ago, BuyMoreAndSave said:

Needs more Sour Patch Kids (fun fact: as a general rule, opiate users LOVE Sour Patch Kids...none of them can really explain why, they just do).

In MY ancient old punk rock  days it was Jolly Ranchers.  The joke was that the punk rock food pyramid was heroin, ramen, and Jolly Ranchers.

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1 hour ago, auntjess said:
On 10/6/2019 at 3:24 PM, Razzberry said:
On 9/29/2019 at 11:05 PM, auntjess said:

I'm liking the Canadian series on ID, The Case that Haunts Me.

I like that too.  I saw one about some white supremacists who killed this guy just for kicks.  They finally nailed them, but at the end it said "[forgot name] received Life in prison without chance of parole for 10 years".   10 whole years, really?  For murdering someone in cold blood for no reason, I don't think they should ever get out.   But that's Canada.

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Yes, I just watched this episode tonight, and it was 2nd degree murder, not first.  On the other hand, surveillance cameras and wiretaps in their home.
BUT, I had seen this crime recently, it must be the same because of the details.  I thought it might have been a See No Evil, but didn't see a likely episode.
It was a gentle guy, beaten to death outside a convenience store, swastikas and Nazis, and in that one, he'd gone behind the store because he had to empty his ostomy bag.
Did anyone else see it?

I started to watch until I realized I had seen this somewhere before too.  I'm not sure where but it wasn't very long ago.  

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So, I was only half watching Valley of the Damned last night but it was enough to make me very, very angry.  A 17-year old who had recently had a baby was shot five times with three different guns.  The family dog was also lured away and killed the week before, making the whole thing look like a well planned murder.  The cops zeroed in the mentally ill brother and didn't do much else to investigate.  The brother ended up in a mental hospital but went uncharged.  The mother never believed her son could or would do it.

Fast forward ten years.  A guy at a storage locker auction won the contents of a locker and found all kinds of police evidence bags inside, including an ax with blood all over it.  It was the personal locker of the detective assigned to the teen mom's murder (and many other cases).  When the locker incident comes to light, the cop is put on administrative leave.  He ends up quitting and moving to Texas.  Shortly before or after that, another investigator and a reporter finds all kinds of other evidence in a landfill, including that from child rape victims.  The lazy/crooked cop threw out all the evidence he'd brought home over the years instead of moving it with him to Texas.

He was put on trial and received a far too short sentence.  They found he'd also tampered with the evidence log of the teen murder case after he realized he'd forgot to pay his storage locker bill and the contents had been auctioned off.  The cops still on the job in the town swore their department wasn't corrupt and have now re-opened the murder case of the teen mom.  Some of the evidence collected at her murder scene was in that cop's storage locker but after ten years was too degraded to test.

I'd really like to know how this cop got away with stealing evidence from multiple crime scenes FOR YEARS without anyone knowing, or if people did know how they could live with themselves for not reporting this creep to the FBI.  I'd also like to know if he's being investigated for committing any of the crimes for which he stole the evidence.  Also, the mom would be well within her rights to sue the police department into the ground.  Maybe then the town would hire competent, honest police officers.

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I saw that story, too, @Kitty Redstone. Truly appalling on every level imaginable. I fully agree that the mom should sue the hell out of the police department. I'm sure the taxpayers would love to get some answers and punishment, too, since you know their tax money was part of this abuse and waste. 

I got tears in my eyes seeing the picture of the dog. And didn't they say too that the 17 year old's child eventually died (at the tender age of seven, no less) because she'd been so sick? Tragedy upon tragedy in that poor family, I can't imagine. 

I hope somebody who actually knows how to do their job will finally be able to get her mom some of the answers she's looking for. And I hope karma comes back around and bites that cop HARD. 

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18 hours ago, auntjess said:

BUT, I had seen this crime recently, it must be the same because of the details.  I thought it might have been a See No Evil, but didn't see a likely episode.

OK, the other show with the Nazis in Calgary, was Murder Board, I think episode was "Dark Alley."  It aired in September.

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11 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I saw that story, too, @Kitty Redstone. Truly appalling on every level imaginable. I fully agree that the mom should sue the hell out of the police department. I'm sure the taxpayers would love to get some answers and punishment, too, since you know their tax money was part of this abuse and waste. 

I got tears in my eyes seeing the picture of the dog. And didn't they say too that the 17 year old's child eventually died (at the tender age of seven, no less) because she'd been so sick? Tragedy upon tragedy in that poor family, I can't imagine. 

I hope somebody who actually knows how to do their job will finally be able to get her mom some of the answers she's looking for. And I hope karma comes back around and bites that cop HARD. 

Geez, I missed the part about the child passing away as well.  The poor mom/grandma has gotten no justice at all.  I also teared up over Jackson the dog and wonder if she knew her killer(s).

It's really hard to believe there's not been an uprising in that town over all the police corruption and incompetence.  If the amount of evidence that crooked cop stole is any indication, the number of unsolved crimes there must be astronomical.  How could no one else in the department not know what he was doing?

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Here's one to look forward to!  https://abcnews.go.com/US/memory-card-found-street-labeled-homicide-leads-arrest/story?id=66189147&fbclid=IwAR0lq-0xnuryKAZqdd4cLK-OQb6XZHJE4-dpZQkaq0f0icnhhmSmGCFEKC4
 

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A man has been arrested for murder after a memory card labeled "Homicide at midtown Marriott" that contained videos and images of a violent attack was discovered on an Alaska street, authorities said.

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Wow, Fear Thy Neighbor really disturbed me.  I realize the producers can put any spin they want on things, but based on what was shown, Billy’s neighbors were a bunch of high school kids acting like bullies, and the video surveillance seems to support that.  I don’t condone him going out and shooting everyone up, but it seemed to me like they were enjoying provoking him. 

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I love on these "Fear Thy Neighbor" shows how these people always claim they're so concerned about their children's lives, yet they're all out there threatening each other and getting into physical fights, and waving guns around and eventually shooting each other. What a great example you're all setting for your children, people. 

I agree that his neighbors were bullies and they shouldn't have antagonized him, especially given they knew full well about his temper. But holy shit, if you shoot somebody 11 freaking times in a row, and some of those shots happen after the person's already wounded and clearly not getting up anytime soon, and you're constantly reloading and all that, at that point, your whole "I was just acting in self-defense!" argument goes right out the window. You do not need to shoot somebody that many times to protect yourself (well, you shouldn't have to shoot anyone at all, but yeah). 

Also, the cops coming out to their neighborhood eighty-six freaking times to try and resolve their disputes is beyond ridiculous. After, like, the tenth time they came out there (and even that feels a little high and generous), they should've just said, "You know what, if we have to come out here again, you're all going to jail and we're taking your weapons and you're not getting them back." They want to act like immature children who can't grow the hell up and solve their problems in mature ways, then they should be treated as such. Idiots. 

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I was honestly kind of surprised they didn't grant Billy and his family the restraining order; he has them on tape saying they are going to rape his 7-year-old daughter and burn his house down (not that I condone what he did either).

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Has anyone seen the new show entitled something about The DNA of Murder? Hosts are the guy who was on the Golden State rapist/killer special and the investigator who used to be on Cold Justice? It was AWESOME! Think it's on Oxygen. They discovered a serial killer! 

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It seemed so much of what went on with Billy in the beginning was a bunch of touchy people taking offense over not much. Especially the couple who got mad because he paid their water bill. No way was there a notice tacked on to their door because they "forgot." They had plenty of reminders before such a notice.

Not, of course, condoning what happened, but all these people needed to grow up.

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9 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Has anyone seen the new show entitled something about The DNA of Murder? Hosts are the guy who was on the Golden State rapist/killer special and the investigator who used to be on Cold Justice? It was AWESOME! Think it's on Oxygen. They discovered a serial killer! 

Yes - "The DNA of Murder with Paul Holes".  I wonder why nobody put the pieces together before - 3 crimes with a very rare MO should be fairly easy to link ...

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On 10/2/2019 at 4:59 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I've been watching a little of a real life double murder trial in my city this week.  I expect that it will make its way onto the ID channel.  It sure is a VERY disturbing case.  This supposed, nice young man, murders his mother then puts her on ice in the bathtub for a couple of days, while he hangs out, drinks a little, then, breaks into his girlfriend's house and murders her.  He told her that he had murdered his mother, but, she didn't believe him......oh my.  Then, he calls 911 and reports himself. He actually took the stand and TESTIFIED on his own behalf. An arrogant jackass, too.  Trial picks up tomorrow, but, I'm not sure how much is left. It's live streaming, but, there are some videos too on that site. (This defendant is a dead ringer for Shemar Moore, formerly of Criminal Minds, please pardon the pun.)

https://www.wral.com/day-6-of-cary-double-murder-trial-resumes/18672353/

For those who were interested, the defendant was found guilty of both murders and sentenced to life without possibility of parole.

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On 10/13/2019 at 8:21 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Has anyone seen the new show entitled something about The DNA of Murder? Hosts are the guy who was on the Golden State rapist/killer special and the investigator who used to be on Cold Justice? It was AWESOME! Think it's on Oxygen. They discovered a serial killer! 

I had a feeling Paul Holes would get a show.  Thanks for the tip!

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Thoughts on tonight's episode of "Shattered":

-Julie is amazing and I wish her all the best things in life. My heart broke for her when she was talking about having to go back to talk about her ordeal again, but I really admired her honest, determined attitude, and how much she cared about wanting to get justice not just for herself, but all the other women who went through this hell, too. Her reaction to seeing all those women at the station when she came down to talk to the police was just...damn. I'm glad her efforts paid off in the end, and I hope she finds or has found some peace and comfort along the way. 

-It was really, really weird to hear that detective actually sounding almost disappointed that the rapist didn't try to attack that woman during the stakeout. They said they wanted to get as much evidence as possible, but, um,  maybe try not sounding so hopeful that a woman might be traumatized in the process in order for that to happen?

Also, setting aside the potential issues with the accuracy of what somebody says under hypnosis, having women who've just been brutally raped go through hypnosis shortly afterward just seems to me like a really bad idea. I mean, yeah, they agreed to do it, but still, I just can't help thinking there were better ways to try and unlock their memories and get the necessary information. Especially since, as the episode showed, the hypnosis aspect backfired on them down the line. 

-Coe's friend. I can sympathize with his struggle to reconcile the fact that this guy he's known since childhood turned out to be such an awful creep. That would be a very tough thing to wrestle with, for sure. And given his faith, I can only imagine how much that weighed on him on that level, too. 

But it kind of bothered me that he seemed to focus more on that than what the women went through. And then his actions when he went to his friend's house. Messing with potential evidence like that is kind of a serious matter and I wonder how the police reacted when they found out what he did. Granted, he did acknowledge what he did was wrong, but....I dunno. some of his reactions and explanations to all of this seemed strange to me. 

.My frustrations with some of the people and their actions aside, though, the episode itself was very powerful and intense, and I feel it's definitely a very relevant one that a lot of people should see, given the subject matter. I like this series, and I'm glad it's back. 

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I remember the Spokane rapist case from another show, and was glad to hear that he's still considered dangerous so has not been turned loose on society as of yet.  I imagine Julie is glad as well, but I have to say that police sketch was horrible and looked nothing like him.  I'm surprised the defense attorney didn't use that in his argument.

Coe's dildo-destroying BFF got on my nerves as well.  Too much hand-wringing over how torn up he was.

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2 hours ago, Razzberry said:

I remember the Spokane rapist case from another show, and was glad to hear that he's still considered dangerous so has not been turned loose on society as of yet. 

Same. When I saw he'd gotten 25 years, I was like, "Please tell me they've extended that somehow...". He absolutely should never get out.

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Coe's dildo-destroying BFF got on my nerves as well.  Too much hand-wringing over how torn up he was.

Which was especially weird given his comments when he was in the grocery store about how he'd take out the rapist if he saw him. I mean, yeah, at the time he said that, he didn't yet know that his friend was the rapist, so once he did learn that, it makes sense that could affect how he dealt with his anger to some degree. Now you've got a face to put to those headlines, but it's someone you know.  

But still....it just felt like he became very muted in his response after that. It was such a 180 from his initial rage. 

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13 hours ago, Annber03 said:

-It was really, really weird to hear that detective actually sounding almost disappointed that the rapist didn't try to attack that woman during the stakeout. They said they wanted to get as much evidence as possible, but, um,  maybe try not sounding so hopeful that a woman might be traumatized in the process in order for that to happen?

These are things that makes me wary of cops.  So many of them can be sticklers about a closing a case that they close their eyes to other things.  “Sure, we’ll protect you if you make this phone call, wear a wire, testify,” et al.  Even though not all people in law enforcement are like this, enough of them are that I would tend to tread lightly if it were me.  In this case, the intended victim had no idea she was even being set up.  How lovely! 

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I'm not sure where to put this, but I immediately thought of my PTV folks when I saw this just now. From Pueblo, Colorado. Yesterday a guy found a big suitcase in a dumpster at a carwash. With a woman's body inside. And - the cops have surveillance video of someone dumping the suitcase early that morning. This WILL be a TV show, you can bet the rent on it. News story: https://www.denverpost.com/2019/10/17/body-found-pueblo-car-wash/

Here's a link to the awful and compelling video the Pueblo PD posted on Twitter (nothing gory, but you're watching an innocuous scene while you know there's a dead body in the suitcase, yikes):

https://twitter.com/PuebloPolice1/status/1185002318602919936

I think it's great that businesses that don't want people dumping illegal stuff in their dumpsters, are learning that good surveillance video systems are affordable and useful. And Walmart, that source of bleach and trashbags, open convenient hours, has A+ video systems. As many a criminal has found to his/her detriment.

The Pueblo PD has posted photos of the victim's tats because they need help identifying her.  https://www.pueblo.us/DocumentCenter/View/25521/1019-011--Homicide-investigation-update

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On 10/8/2019 at 7:31 PM, smittykins said:

It still boggles my mind that when someone hires a “hitman,” It never occurs to them that “hmmm, on TV, it turns out to be an undercover cop about 99.99999999% of the time.”

My favorite is when they ask or mention them being a cop, and the cop/fake hit man is all “No!  I hate cops “ (or some other jokey line).  

On 10/7/2019 at 11:47 PM, walnutqueen said:

I had a good laugh freeze framing the "actual police photo" of items in what the detective described as a backpack "full of things you'd need if you're leaving town - a Go Bag, if you will" - on one of the ID shows I watched tonite.  In addition to a small box of rings & a watch, the backpack contained these items :  Bic lighter, spoon, swizzle straw, charger cord, glasses case, Colgate, Invader Zim, a few small unidentifiable trinkets, and 2 packs of Maruchan Ramen Noodle Soup.  Guess that cop never left town, eh!

ETA:  "Have Ramen, Will Travel" signed, Paladin.

According to my 19 yr old, Ramen is life. 

On 10/14/2019 at 5:32 AM, renatae said:

It seemed so much of what went on with Billy in the beginning was a bunch of touchy people taking offense over not much. Especially the couple who got mad because he paid their water bill. No way was there a notice tacked on to their door because they "forgot." They had plenty of reminders before such a notice.

Any of you who want to shake on over here and pay my water bill are welcome!  

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Murder for Hire on Oxygen tonight was the best one yet. I was riveted the entire time. And, I had true joy in my heart in how it turned for everyone involved!

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1 hour ago, hoosiermom said:

Murder for Hire on Oxygen tonight was the best one yet. I was riveted the entire time. And, I had true joy in my heart in how it turned for everyone involved!

I agree. I think this is the first one I've watched all the way through. 

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The DNA of Murder with Paul Holes

Sunnybebe you are so right, this show IS awesome!

You can see the premier episode "Hotel Homicide" here

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Okay, both episodes so far are excellent, but I hope we get updates because they leave you hanging for that last piece of information that would close the books on these cases.  Maybe I missed it, but was there a DNA match in the motel murders or not?  Put a rush on it!

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I was watching Fear Thy Neighbor last night and saw two promos for "Highway To Hell," which said it was "going to" premiere October 7th.

Well, that was a week ago and I never even heard of the show.  I searched all through ID Discovery programming and nothing was listed for it.  

I'm thinking maybe the premiere date was wrong.  I did a search and found a regular Discovery Channel program called "Highway Thru Hell" that was supposed to premiere October 7th, but nothing for "Highway To Hell" on ID Discovery.

Did anybody else see the promos and might have a clue when it's really going to premiere?  

(And that episode of Fear Thy Neighbor was pretty damn good, too!).  

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I get so irritated by the people on "Fear Thy Neighbor" acting like idiots.   When the guy last night started bitching about how many times the new neighbor was driving on the road, you knew it wasn't going to end well.

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2 hours ago, Razzberry said:

I get so irritated by the people on "Fear Thy Neighbor" acting like idiots.   When the guy last night started bitching about how many times the new neighbor was driving on the road, you knew it wasn't going to end well.

Right?  Having lived on a private road, I totally understood his concern about their doing wheelies and playing Nascar on the road and that needed to be addressed, but when he was actually counting the number of trips they made on the road every day, my jaw dropped open.  The fact that he was actually apparently keeping track of their comings and goings was kind of scary.  

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7 hours ago, Kitty Redstone said:

@Jeeves have the police been able to identify this poor woman, or the creep that cruelly disposed of her body in a dumpster?

Last Friday, Pueblo Police arrested the guy they think did it, and his wife (not sure she was busted in re the murder).  https://www.denverpost.com/2019/10/18/pueblo-person-of-interest-suitcase-body/ 

Yesterday the Pueblo Coroner released the identity of the victim: the suspect's mother. Holy sh*t.  https://www.chieftain.com/news/20191021/victim-in-pueblo-homicide-is-suspects-mother

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