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Why didn't Nev and Max press Filipe about why he was dating Alex while also having a text romance with Jasmine? Filipe wanted to be the injured party, but he seemed to be operating a bit of a scam as well, and he never apologized for that.

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Why didn't Nev and Max press Filipe about why he was dating Alex while also having a text romance with Jasmine? Filipe wanted to be the injured party, but he seemed to be operating a bit of a scam as well, and he never apologized for that.

Yeah, Filipe obviously wanted the hot girl, & Alex was just someone he could stick his dick in until he locked Jasmine down. He was very stupid.

 

Luis was just full of bullshit, you could see him trying to think of a good story as he was standing there. He just didn't want to admit he's gay. And he just deactivated all the fake Jasmine accounts today. He's going back to catfishing as soon as he can.

 

Charlemagne!

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Okay, who else besides me can't get over the fact that Chris Andersen had sex with a 17-year old girl? He, big time NBA player who has been around for a long time, had sex with a girl half his age!

 

I also had some sympathy for Felipe until it came out that he was talking to "Jasmine" while he was banging Alex. He was playing with that girl, and she wanted to pay him back.

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Okay, who else besides me can't get over the fact that Chris Andersen had sex with a 17-year old girl? He, big time NBA player who has been around for a long time, had sex with a girl half his age!

NBA players have the reputation of being the biggest dogs going.

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It's not like I love to watch people getting hurt for the hell of it but quite often this show makes me boggle about how some of these Catfish victims seem to be so totally clueless about what they can expect out of life. It's nice to dream and all that but what makes  Filipe think he can land a model and that she'd want to go live with him and have his babies? That's not how things work in this world! Clearly, it wasn't enough for him that Alex was into him, he wanted more. She seemed nice and attractive but no, he wanted DESERVED a Future Model! At least Max said early on how all Filipe seemed to care about was how beautiful "Jasmine" was and that there's more to a person than their looks. 

 

Also really liked him even less when he not only failed to apologize for his part in all this but basically tried to say that he was made to do it because of "Jasmine", if it hadn't been for the deception well he'd be channelling all his dreams into Alex! How dare he? Why did Nev and Max let him get away with it? I think they're tired of the show. They don't have their old energy I think.  Especially Max, who I think in the early days would have been all over Filipe's shit for having the nerve to try to blame anyone for his own bad behavior.

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What a clusterfuck of an episode.

 

That background information on Paris Roxanne had my stroke-addled brain screaming trying to make sense of it and the third party involved in the messages.  Good gawd, CIA level bullshit I guess.  

 

Then about the time my brain was deciding to calm down, we get Luis and his bullshit convoluted story about running multiple fake profiles, one of which was this Roxanne Gonzales.

 

I need a playbook to follow this shitstorm.

 

Anyway, the only conclusion I could draw from this was Luis was perhaps pissed off that he was losing his BFF due to her involvement with Felipe, so he catfished Felipe to show her what a dirty dawg the dude was and break up the relationship?  

 

He didn't seem to be attracted to Felipe himself and I couldn't find any other motive he would have for 'fishing Felipe.  His text to the girl about "I have something 2 tell u" was apparently his big reveal about what a two-timing asshat Felipe was.

 

Ugh.  Again, what a clusterfuck of an episode.

 

And Felipe, for the record, I'm pretty sure if you look long and hard enough, you can find a girl who, at 20 or so years of age, is eager to get married, is willing to move onto the family compound, and immediately get down into procreating.  However, it is highly unlikely the girl will be an aspiring model.  You should have stuck with the girl who apparently was willing to accept you the way you are.

 

And, no snark intended, I'm confused...Can a deaf person have a successful career in the military?  I have no idea what provisions are available in the military for the hearing impaired.  I also am not sure if Felipe is completely deaf or partially deaf, further adding to my confusion.

 

Thanks for the brain scramble this week, Nev.  And glad you were simply glowing with delight at having Max back.  I was, too.   

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Anyway, the only conclusion I could draw from this was Luis was perhaps pissed off that he was losing his BFF due to her involvement with Felipe, so he catfished Felipe to show her what a dirty dawg the dude was and break up the relationship?

 

Yeah, you may be right. I mean, Felipe was dating (sleeping with, whatever) Alex and just "happened" to be catfished by a guy who's Alex's best friend? And Alex knew nothing about it until Luis told her? Huh? I get that it's a small town and "everyone knows everyone," but then, why didn't Felipe know Luis? His supposed "girlfriend's" bestie? I thought maybe Alex knew about the catfishing all along and that she and Luis had set Felipe up to see if he "might" cheat. Which he did. (Yes, Felipe, it's cheating -- of a sort.)

 

And why am I giving this so much thought?

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Okay, who else besides me can't get over the fact that Chris Andersen had sex with a 17-year old girl? He, big time NBA player who has been around for a long time, had sex with a girl half his age!

 

I also had some sympathy for Felipe until it came out that he was talking to "Jasmine" while he was banging Alex. He was playing with that girl, and she wanted to pay him back.

you mean men like younger women? What a shocker!...lol.

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Max, drily:

"A phoneless model. Phoneless."

"That's what it looks like to me, also." [raises hand]

"I don't know why you're doing it. It doesn't seem like YOU know why you're doing it."

 

Max rules.

 

I had to actually pay attention here - I don't fully get the whole Paris Roxanne thing, and I didn't understand Luis's motivation (and I do think Luis is gay. He also looks like an old friend of mine who's gay, so I may be biased). The molestation may have happened, but I don't believe that was his motivation. He looked totally shifty as he was telling the story - I caught his eyes darting all over the place.

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This is going to sound mean but...

 

1. Did Felipe have a speech impediment or was it just me? It wasn't an accent; it sounded like he genuinely couldn't pronounce some sounds. It kept throwing me off because I kept focusing on his voice instead of the episode.

 

2. He was gross. Chatting up the hot chick while he was sticking his dick in the hometown girl who he probably didn't even like. Not such a nice guy after all. They let him off way too easily.

 

3. Luis. I feel bad for him. His eyes were so shifty though. Hopefully he'll learn to come to terms with what happened to him as well as his sexuality. Poor dude.

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After hearing the absolute lack of acceptance of responsibility from Felipe about texting with some imaginary hot girl while he was dating and sleeping with a real-life girlfriend, I think he got what he deserved.  I'm glad the girlfriend was smart enough to dump him and not bother to explain why.  And how dare he blame Luis/Jasmine from distracting him from planning his life with his girlfriend? Dude, you're the one who prioritized a fantasy above real-life.  Own your crappiness.

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It's obvious Luis is struggling with his sexuality.

 

Great to see Max back, but I have a feeling it's short term.  A career in Hollywood or Catfish, the TV show?  No brainer.  The show would end without him.  The D-list guest hosts were a waste of time.

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This is going to sound mean but...

 

1. Did Felipe have a speech impediment or was it just me? It wasn't an accent; it sounded like he genuinely couldn't pronounce some sounds. It kept throwing me off because I kept focusing on his voice instead of the episode.

 

I think he must have had a deviated septum or something similar.  He sounded very nasal.  I was distracted by it as well.

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Anyway, the only conclusion I could draw from this was Luis was perhaps pissed off that he was losing his BFF due to her involvement with Felipe, so he catfished Felipe to show her what a dirty dawg the dude was and break up the relationship?  

 

Felipe and Jasmin had been talking for two months before Felipe started seeing Alex.

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Felipe was deaf.

 

He had a very typical speech pattern for hearing-impaired individuals.  

He was just going into the military, they don't take deaf people

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He was just going into the military, they don't take deaf people

 

I thought he said he was deaf at the beginning of the episode, which is why I asked in my earlier post if a hearing-impaired individual could have a career in the military. I was totally confused about what opportunities could be available in the armed forces for a hearing-impaired individual.  

 

I must have misunderstood him.   

 

This entire episode was just way too much clusterfuck for my brain.  Ugh.  

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I thought he said he was deaf at the beginning of the episode, which is why I asked in my earlier post if a hearing-impaired individual could have a career in the military. I was totally confused about what opportunities could be available in the armed forces for a hearing-impaired individual.  

 

I must have misunderstood him.   

 

This entire episode was just way too much clusterfuck for my brain.  Ugh.  

I didn't hear him say anything about being deaf, I thought he talked that way because he's a boxer & got hit a few too many times. Like Rocky.

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Tara, the second half of this sentence is gone under the Hugs section "Maybe if he'd" And I'm so curious what the rest is! Told them he was gay?

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Tara, the second half of this sentence is gone under the Hugs section "Maybe if he'd" And I'm so curious what the rest is! Told them he was gay?

 

 

Ha, yes. Fixed.

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"Who's Jasmin," Max asks, and after rocking from foot to foot for a second, Luis says, "Me." Max is like, why are you here, and Alex says that she's Luis's best friend. She's there because she had been dating Felipe, but that at some point during their relationship, she found out he was also talking to "Jasmin" online, and consequently ended it, and even though she knew "Jasmin" was Luis, and that Felipe's "relationship" with "Jasmin" (lord) predated her time with Felipe, that's not really cool, and you know what? Fair enough. Luis ratted Felipe out to Alex when Alex told him she was dating Felipe, but Luis and Felipe had never met until right now. <------ CLUSTERFUCK! My brain kinda started hurting when I was trying to read + comprehend the first time I read that....Or maybe I might have understood it if they had the narrator from Jane the Virgin doing the explaining....;-x

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I thought he said he was deaf at the beginning of the episode, which is why I asked in my earlier post if a hearing-impaired individual could have a career in the military. I was totally confused about what opportunities could be available in the armed forces for a hearing-impaired individual.  

 

I must have misunderstood him.  

 

I too thought he said he was deaf at the beginning of the episode -- it was when Nev was reading his e-mail out loud. The line was actually "I'm a dad." I was distracted the first time I heard and thought he said "deaf," but when I started the episode over I heard it correctly as "dad." Funny how I'm not the only one who misunderstood.

 

I agree with the comments above. I felt a TINY bit sorry for Luis. As a gay man, I can tell you with 99.9999% certainty that he is gay. Also, as a gay man who was heavily in the closet at Luis' age (but perhaps obviously gay to others), getting flat-out asked if you are gay is the one question that scares you absolutely shitless. It must suck to get asked on national television when you're not ready to admit it. It may seem silly that it's hard to come right out and say "I'm gay" when it's pretty clear to the world that you are, but those are two of the hardest words to say when you're just at the beginning of the coming out process.

 

But none of that excuses his catfishing behavior. Additionally, I think Luis catfished purely for sexual gratification -- e.g., talking to hot guys on Facebook and getting them to talk dirty to him (as evidenced in the one message they showed that said "I want to _____ on your ______." No doubt he has quite the collection of dirty messages, shirtless pics of victims, dick pics, etc.

 

Superficial comments: Felipe had a very average build for someone into boxing; he had barely any muscle, let alone muscle tone. Sure he's young and perhaps just getting into boxing, but a hardbody he is not. Also, were those corn-rows I saw in his otherwise buzzed head? Haven't seen that before. He's also obviously delusional thinking a model - or most girls, really - would jump at the chance to live with him on his junkyard-looking land. I chalk that up somewhat to small-town mentality. 

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When Felipe was walking around the trash strewn, gloomy property talking about he was going to be bringing a model there to have his babies, it made me realize how many seemingly normal people out there develop elaborate fantasies that become real to them. Nev and Max are probably helping people from not committing murder/ being murdered by being mediators. I hate to think what would have happened if Felipe had confronted Luis on their own. Felipe was seething with rage while they were in the park.

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Once again, I weep for humanity because these people on this show always have kids. I can't imagine what future brain trust these ding-dongs are raising.

Hey, guys? If she has fake tits, SHE HAS A PHONE.

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Felipe was deaf.

He had a very typical speech pattern for hearing-impaired individuals.

 

He was just going into the military, they don't take deaf people

I also thought he sounded like someone with impaired hearing and honestly that  kind of distracted me from everything else on the show, since they never addressed it.  On the other hand MAX!!!!!!!!  Also this level of naivete (a working model without a phone???!!@###) was kind of a flashback to season one.

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Im confused.....So is the girl that they spoke to on Skype the real Paris Roxanne? Is that the girl that chris anderson had sex with?

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Im confused.....So is the girl that they spoke to on Skype the real Paris Roxanne? Is that the girl that chris anderson had sex with?

 

Yes and yes.

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When Felipe was walking around the trash strewn, gloomy property talking about he was going to be bringing a model there to have his babies, it made me realize how many seemingly normal people out there develop elaborate fantasies that become real to them. Nev and Max are probably helping people from not committing murder/ being murdered by being mediators. I hate to think what would have happened if Felipe had confronted Luis on their own. Felipe was seething with rage while they were in the park.

 

Wild applause! I was struggling to say precisely this but couldn't. YES x a million to both issues! 

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Im confused.....So is the girl that they spoke to on Skype the real Paris Roxanne? Is that the girl that chris anderson had sex with?

Not that smart that the catfish would use photos that already had such wide circulation. I guess they wanted some episodes to end the dry streak where the reverse image search didn't find anything.

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Once again, I weep for humanity because these people on this show always have kids. I can't imagine what future brain trust these ding-dongs are raising.

Hey, guys? If she has fake tits, SHE HAS A PHONE.

 

I gasped as I read this. I completely forgot about the no phone thing!

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I don't think anyone has mentioned the fact that Luis seemed to say that he got the idea to do all the fake profiles from watching Catfish. At least that's how I took it. Nev never came back to that point. I'm sure Luis is not the first one to get the idea from the show.

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I don't think anyone has mentioned the fact that Luis seemed to say that he got the idea to do all the fake profiles from watching Catfish. 

 

I did, in my post about the episode, on this site.

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I came running to PT forum to seek clarification on what actually happened in this episode. I see we are wondering the same thing.

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I was very annoyed that on Chatfish, the hosts asked Alex if she thought she had over-reacted to the discovery of Felipe's online affair. I like that she was clear and able to say no, but why were they determined to get Felipe of the hook and find fault with Alex having a tiny amount of self-respect? I know they make their names from dealing with low self-esteem and liars, but do they have to try to tear down the one person they meet who doesn't fall into one of those categories?

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And another thing about Felipe that bothered me...

He's 22 or 23 years old, he has a daughter, he wants to meet the love of his life and settle down with her NOW - right before he joins the military and starts basic training. I understand wanting to have someone to think about when you're away, and having someone to come home to, but what about the gal? Is that fair to her? Isn't it selfish to want to start something just to have someone who writes you letters or e-mails or skypes with you? It's like he planned out his whole life - family compound, wife, kid, family, military service, and he's looking for someone to plug into the role of wife. On his schedule.

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Anyone else disturbed with 17-year-old Paris Roxanne's giant fake titties? What kind of parent signs consent to let their minor child have surgery to get porn-star breasts? Hey, when you're 18, do whatever you like to your body, ain't my problem. All I know is I wasn't allowed to get a second ear piercing before I was 18, let alone boobs out to there. Sheesh.

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Anyone else disturbed with 17-year-old Paris Roxanne's giant fake titties? What kind of parent signs consent to let their minor child have surgery to get porn-star breasts? Hey, when you're 18, do whatever you like to your body, ain't my problem. All I know is I wasn't allowed to get a second ear piercing before I was 18, let alone boobs out to there. Sheesh.

Ha! That reminded me that when I was in high school and living at home, but was 18, I got second holes in my earlobes and didn't tell my mom about it. (I was an A-B student and I had a job and a car that I paid for that drove me to Claire's or wherever I went.) I wasn't hiding the earpiercings, as I had my hair in a ponytail. (Mom had previously said that I could do whatever I wanted when I was 18.) Of course, she lost it, and started mockingly saying all the things she could do because she was over 18. Drove me bananas. Now, this was way back in 1992-1993, when shady people (except Robert Durst) actually got in trouble with the law doing shit like what people do on Catfish.

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I respectfully disagree that Paris' photos aren't "sexually suggestive". Posting bikini shots of your huge fake boobs hardly suggests you're looking to stimulate intellectual discourse.

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I feel bad but his voice also drove me nuts.  I thought maybe he got punched in the nose too many times.  

 

"Jasmine" is obviously gay.   But I'm not so sure it was done in retaliation - didn't Filipe say HE was the one to initiate the talking? If it was JasMAN (thanks to max - I loved that lol) who initiated the first contact then I totally agree it was done in some sort of retaliation. 

 

When I was younger I had a pretty strong relationship online with a guy who lived across the country from me... I then got a boyfriend near me but still kept the relationship going with the guy online.  Boyfriend found out and he was pissed.  Honestly I wasn't really that into him so I didn't get the big deal  - i was more into the guy who I couldn't be with but I had future hopes for that. But I wasn't in my 20s... I think I was 15. I would hope in my 20s I would know that doing something like that is not cool. 

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On the other hand MAX!!!!!!!!  Also this level of naivete (a working model without a phone???!!@###) was kind of a flashback to season one.

I was surprised that Max brought up being a model to question not having a phone. How often do they run into a catfish claiming to be a model who's actually a model? It was much more likely that Jasmin wasn't a model and really didn't have a phone.

 

 

Anyone else disturbed with 17-year-old Paris Roxanne's giant fake titties? What kind of parent signs consent to let their minor child have surgery to get porn-star breasts?

That's an insult to today's porn stars. Producers have their pick of women and the girls need to look good in HD, so if they've got fakes they're generally good ones, not the Pam Anderson specials from Tijuana that Paris is sporting.

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It's not like I love to watch people getting hurt for the hell of it but quite often this show makes me boggle about how some of these Catfish victims seem to be so totally clueless about what they can expect out of life. It's nice to dream and all that but what makes  Filipe think he can land a model and that she'd want to go live with him and have his babies? That's not how things work in this world! Clearly, it wasn't enough for him that Alex was into him, he wanted more. She seemed nice and attractive but no, he wanted DESERVED a Future Model! At least Max said early on how all Filipe seemed to care about was how beautiful "Jasmine" was and that there's more to a person than their looks.

 

 

I have been watching the Dr. Phil catfish episodes and this is very true.  There is a sense of entitlement with some people today.  I saw two shows where women were scammed, one was scammed out of a quarter of a million dollars by a man they'd never actually met.  The thing is both of these men promised the women riches; one even said they were going to live in a mansion, with servants, in Alabama.  To my ears, both of those tales sounded stupid.  But I believe there was a part of those women, just like Felipe who felt entitled to a wealthy person or a model.  No one said to Felipe, "do you think a model would want to move to a place like this?  Models need to be in cities like LA or NY."

 

Though I don't see talking to someone on the computer as cheating, I do think that if Jasmin had been real, Felipe would have dropped Alex like a hot potato.  And that is my problem with this show, Nev and Max never address the entitlement of the catfish-ee.  

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I have been watching the Dr. Phil catfish episodes and this is very true.  There is a sense of entitlement with some people today.  I saw two shows where women were scammed, one was scammed out of a quarter of a million dollars by a man they'd never actually met.  The thing is both of these men promised the women riches; one even said they were going to live in a mansion, with servants, in Alabama.  To my ears, both of those tales sounded stupid.  But I believe there was a part of those women, just like Felipe who felt entitled to a wealthy person or a model.  No one said to Felipe, "do you think a model would want to move to a place like this?  Models need to be in cities like LA or NY."

 

Though I don't see talking to someone on the computer as cheating, I do think that if Jasmin had been real, Felipe would have dropped Alex like a hot potato.  And that is my problem with this show, Nev and Max never address the entitlement of the catfish-ee.  

 

That's an excellent point you bring up. I can't say I've seen them even mildly approach this with anyone although I think they kind of snarked about it on their own from time to time? Maybe? I can just imagine how hard they want to shake some of these people and yell DUDE what makes you think an actual model or "model in training" is mooning over you and your mud pit? No! She is hoping to land someone rich and/or famous. They have their pie in the sky luggage as well, to be sure. 

 

I always gasp during the big reveal when they're pulling up into a neighborhood the Catfishee wasn't imagining in their fantasies and their faces fall as if they just parked in front of some chicken coop.

 

Anyhow, I wonder how this sort of thing happens. What also creeps me out about the bizarro world entitlement is it seems like a real gateway drug to other problematic behavior ie. stalking etc.

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I think Felipe took one too many hits on the football field. He mentioned having scholarship offers when they were showing pictures of him on the football field. Then he said something happened and it all went away. Some type of accident? Which might explain the way he speaks and thinks. He doesn't seem too bright otherwise.

Anybody who's a teen with an aspiring modeling career that says they don't have a phone....isn't any of that. Anyone who can't figure that out shouldn't be joining our military.

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