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I looked over all the packages offered now on Xfinity and UP is not on any of them. If you have an existing package prior to May 2019 the channel line ups are/were better and those customers may continue with them. The new lineups are awful Good stations scattered throughout many packages which, of course, cost more. Had to chance; no choice as Spectrum just priced itself out with us; raising prices every few months. I lost a lot of shows I enjoyed.  BUT....I can still watch the infamour Duggar family on TLC. 

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8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I actually think Kelly has had a change of heart regarding Gothard's thoughts on education and marriage. 

Erin, Tori, Carlin and Josie all have college degrees. Tori and Carlin both had long engagements and Josie had to wait a year plus, to even date her now husband.

Although I doubt Katie will want to wait 4 years to marry.

The daughters working/getting degrees seems like it was more out of necessity at first since you couldn't expect Lawson and his lawn business to pay for the entire family. There also seemed to be aspects of favoritism at play with Erin though and it would have looked terrible (once they got the TeeVee show) if Erin was the only daughter to pursue a post secondary education if the younger ones wanted to as well. 

That being said Carlin was different and got a long engagement. The rest? Ehhh... Although for all we know that could be optics to be like "See! We don't force our kids to rush into marriage! They choose to do so!" 

I've thought about this quite a bit how much is manipulated for the public in regards to the Duggars and Bateses. How much have they actually changed? How much is actually to play up to the public they have changed so that people will continue to follow the Brand? I don't think the Bateses have too much to worry with Bringing Up Bates being on UP! The Duggars and TLC may be a different story. How many iterations does TLC have of 90 Day Fiance??? I'm currently staying with family and I've gotten sucked into that vortex. 

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On 9/2/2019 at 3:12 AM, GeeGolly said:

I actually think Kelly has had a change of heart regarding Gothard's thoughts on education and marriage. 

I don't think it matters what Kelly thinks. Gil is the headship. What the kids do is up to him, not Kelly. Gil is very prominent in IBLP (he was on the Board of Directors, maybe still is?) which is Bill Gothard's creation. Maybe Gil's current view is that you need to homeschool your kids through high school and let them learn some useful skill/occupation at a "college" level after that. 

What they reveal publicly for cable TV mass consumption is certainly a scrubbed-up watered-down version of their lives and beliefs. Their older daughters seem to have moved past Bill Gothard's 1980's fashion frumpery dictates, which is of course just literally window dressing that signifies nothing significant about their beliefs.

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13 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Maybe Gil's current view is that you need to homeschool your kids through high school and let them learn some useful skill/occupation at a "college" level after that.

notice only the daughters went to further "school" and changed their way of dressing. a few of the girls married a guy learning a trade.

Gil Bates upped the Duggar game - he did not want the Ben and Derricks of fundie land for his girls. no real ambition or forever 'in school"

Would John, etc have been interested in a Bates girl if they were still wearing the prairie dresses?

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so some duggars and bates are off to save the Bahamas-

do not confuse their mediccorps - with the real medicorp who do real work.

these guys seem to be there for show - lawson always first 69711646_2252153278216802_8371694607766913024_n.jpg.dae5984ff0ed48d33608b8e40900ca0f.jpg

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interesting mediccorps https://mediccorps.org/ contact and mailing address is Springdale Arkansas

under to give

+1 267-********

admin@mediccorps.org

PO Box **** Springdale, AR 72766 USA

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Lawson and some of the Bates boys also went to Puerto Rico after hurricane Maria. He sure loves taking pictures with poor brown kids. I don't think they did anything useful for those people. It was all a photo op. 

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3 hours ago, crazy8s said:

so some duggars and bates are off to save the Bahamas-

do not confuse their mediccorps - with the real medicorp who do real work.

these guys seem to be there for show - lawson always first 69711646_2252153278216802_8371694607766913024_n.jpg.dae5984ff0ed48d33608b8e40900ca0f.jpg

in hindsight, how was it even possible for them to have flown into the bahamas with the hurricane still essentially in the 'neighborhood'?

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8 hours ago, Jeeves said:

I don't think it matters what Kelly thinks. Gil is the headship. What the kids do is up to him, not Kelly. Gil is very prominent in IBLP (he was on the Board of Directors, maybe still is?) which is Bill Gothard's creation. Maybe Gil's current view is that you need to homeschool your kids through high school and let them learn some useful skill/occupation at a "college" level after that. 

What they reveal publicly for cable TV mass consumption is certainly a scrubbed-up watered-down version of their lives and beliefs. Their older daughters seem to have moved past Bill Gothard's 1980's fashion frumpery dictates, which is of course just literally window dressing that signifies nothing significant about their beliefs.

I agree that Gothard sold 'the man is the headship' and its likely Gil & JB believe it to a degree. However, there have been more than a few subtle moments caught on film where its clear that Kelly and Michelle call a lot of the shots.

The Bates didn't discuss education that much in the early years, however they did discuss following old school socially constructed roles, as well as courting, in the early years and addressed it again more recently. In the beginning they followed Gothard's rules in regard to courtship to a T. In later years they haven't. So while it certainly doesn't indicate a change in their hardcore Fundy beliefs, it does show a change in some Gothard imposed beliefs.

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33 minutes ago, zoomama said:

in hindsight, how was it even possible for them to have flown into the bahamas with the hurricane still essentially in the 'neighborhood'?

I'm guessing they flew into one of the more southern islands which are not getting a direct impact at this time.

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15 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

I'm guessing they flew into one of the more southern islands which are not getting a direct impact at this time.

I'm guessing you're right. Below is a picture of the airport runway in Abaco.

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From their website:

Corps

We are a team of believers in Jesus Christ, bonded together in purpose, using the highly technical skills we have been given to serve, equip and train so that as one corps of Filipino and MEDIC staff we can reach the un-reached with the help they need both physical, but more importantly spiritual.

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3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

From their website:

Corps

We are a team of believers in Jesus Christ, bonded together in purpose, using the highly technical skills we have been given to serve, equip and train so that as one corps of Filipino and MEDIC staff we can reach the un-reached with the help they need both physical, but more importantly spiritual.

Jill will pray for the baby's delivery she botches. Really, it's what's most important.

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trying to find the pic that showed 5 followers for the earlier post, the one that tagged joy and sierra. both bates family and duggar official have promoted today and now 54 followers. twitter 6 followers - this is a brand new grift it seems

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Just now, scriggle said:

Is there any way to find out if it's a registered charity? And who registered it?

i was going to ask them that when I called, but no answer

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13 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

From their website:

Corps

We are a team of believers in Jesus Christ, bonded together in purpose, using the highly technical skills we have been given to serve, equip and train so that as one corps of Filipino and MEDIC staff we can reach the un-reached with the help they need both physical, but more importantly spiritual.

I think Lawson needs to edit that page. This is a page from when they did medic services in the Philippines. Dumbasses.

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Reading the Bates board, apparently Lawson made NBC Nightly News talking about the devastation as he saw it flying in. It hasn't aired yet on the west coast, so I can take one for the team and see if this is legit.

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5 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Will they be singing and handing out bibles? 😆

Hopefully, and painting nails and handing out dum dums as well. Maybe David R could print up some tracts for them to hand out in the hurricane zone? 

 Does anyone know if this medicorps is a legitimate organization offering actual help? 

And you know Lawson is absolutely thrilled to be on the news and have his face get more exposure! They are soaking up the accolades on Instagram! 

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12 minutes ago, awaken said:

Hopefully, and painting nails and handing out dum dums as well. Maybe David R could print up some tracts for them to hand out in the hurricane zone? 

 Does anyone know if this medicorps is a legitimate organization offering actual help? 

And you know Lawson is absolutely thrilled to be on the news and have his face get more exposure! They are soaking up the accolades on Instagram! 

 Oh God, I hope he doesn’t wind up painting Jana’s kitchen white over this.  If you catch my drift… 

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16 minutes ago, awaken said:

 Does anyone know if this medicorps is a legitimate organization offering actual help?

MediCorps is a legit organization but that's not theirs. They use the name MedicCorps and I wouldn't be surprised if it is for maximum confusion so they can benefit to get donations.

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Yup, just saw Lawson on the news. Thankfully, he's not named. Back to tennis.

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5 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

He's walking around like he's king Douche. That airport looks way too clean to have been in or near a major hurricane.

Yep, it is pretty obvious that he and his 'relief team' are well out of harm's way and probably haven't even left the airport yet.  Big heroes.

Anyone who has ever been involved in a natural disaster can tell you that one of the worst parts of the whole experience is dealing with the famewhores and lookeyloos who come out of the woodwork to draw attention to themselves; wasting time and effort that is in such short supply anyway.  These guys are on a glorified Missioncation and I don't doubt they will find a Holiday Inn with electricity and running water to conduct their ministry.

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40 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

He looks so douchey with those earbuds. I doubt there's any wifi. 

Hurry ladies while he's still single!

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Is there an actual useful purpose to this trip, or is this just an opportunity for Lawson and his fellow beta males to take glamour shots amidst the destruction?

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I don’t know what they’re going to do. Unless they brought MREs and water, there’s nothing to do. Right now, they just need the water to recede. Why not let the experts come in first who can ship vast quantities of supplies, then come in a couple of months to help communities rebuild. Pretty sure they could contact a local church and help them rebuild. 

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They need to take a page out of Bethenny Frenkel’s book.  Last year she hauled jets and jets full of supplies and food over to Puerto Rico, and called on her rich celebrity friends to donate planes and supplies.  She instagrammed the whole thing for publicity and was actually WORKING.  She was able to get tons done and used her social media to spread awareness and to get donations.  There was no question of her intentions and it was amazing to watch. 

These morons are probably still posing at the airport.

At least they’ve done more than the President. I guess. 

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Bethenny texted today that she has approval from the BAHAMIAN govt. (not Bohemian, Mechelle) to fly her planes filled with things like water, diapers, chainsaws, and generators (amongst other necessities) to the affected areas. 

What is the Bates/Duggar contingent going to do? Pray?

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47 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Is there an actual useful purpose to this trip, or is this just an opportunity for Lawson and his fellow beta males to take glamour shots amidst the destruction?

I'm going to go with glamour shots.

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58 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

I don’t know what they’re going to do. Unless they brought MREs and water, there’s nothing to do. Right now, they just need the water to recede. Why not let the experts come in first who can ship vast quantities of supplies, then come in a couple of months to help communities rebuild. Pretty sure they could contact a local church and help them rebuild. 

Doing this would involve insufficient phony glory. 

Also, it would involve making actual donations and doing actual work. 

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15 minutes ago, Lunera said:

I'm going to go with glamour shots.

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OMG. That picture needs to be in the dictionary next to the word "douche." (times 3)

They're nauseating. Who or what do they imagine they are, anyway? 

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1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Bethenny texted today that she has approval from the BAHAMIAN govt. (not Bohemian, Mechelle) to fly her planes filled with things like water, diapers, chainsaws, and generators (amongst other necessities) to the affected areas. 

What is the Bates/Duggar contingent going to do? Pray?

No handout candy, basketballs and paint nails. 

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3 hours ago, Lunera said:

I'm going to go with glamour shots.

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Notice how clean their boots and bottom of the jeans are. Please those 3 didn’t even get into any water. 

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1 hour ago, galaxychaser said:

Notice how clean their boots and bottom of the jeans are. Please those 3 didn’t even get into any water. 

This is an old picture, taken in Iowa after a tornado. 

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8 hours ago, Zella said:

This whole thing really grosses me out and honestly makes me sick to my stomach.

I have never volunteered to assist after a natural disaster--freely admit I would be useless. But I volunteer all the time for charity events, and if you're legitimately working one of those, you don't have time to be posing for pictures because you're running your ass off. In fact, every event I have ever been at, the volunteers are actively annoyed when the camera comes out because nobody has time for that shit. 

I can't even imagine how much more that would be true in a natural disaster situation, where people's homes and lives and the literal infrastructure of the location have been absolutely devastated. 

I can't even really articulate how much this pisses me off. 

Been there.

I was walking up my driveway, past what was left of my home, toward the backyard where the contents of my house and other folks' property lay in a jumbled, wet and broken mess, when a gawker actually shouldered me over to walk past me. If I wasn't still in a devastated sort of shock, I would have asked her to get off my property. 

She didn't have gloves, no food or water, no kind words ... just a fucking phone to take pictures of what was my home, the home I raised my babies in, the home that was beyond repair, the home I would never be able to return to, the home that I needed badly because that was the place where I could figure things out, gather my family and move through illnesses, deaths and whatever else life threw at me.

The woman who shouldered me out of the way, went home to her intact house where she had clothes, a bed and walls and a picture on her phone of what was once a house filled with love, memories and a family.

So, yes, what the Duggar/Bates are doing strikes a nerve in me as well.

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My stomach always turns when I see people using disaster situations for their own benefit.  What have any of these people been doing in their own communities to help those who are less fortunate?  Most likely nothing at all.  I'm actually reserving any specific criticism about the Duggar/Bates rescue mission until I see how it all plays out.  On one hand, I give them credit as they have the time and resources to actually go and do something, which is a lot more than most people, but I can't help but think that it will turn into a huge "Look at me doing God's work" photo shoot.   News reports indicate that the Freeport area is literal devastation.  If they manage to get to that area, they certainly won't be having a vacation, that's for sure.   Watching and waiting.....

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I'd say their expressions in the tornado glamour shot clearly show exactly what their intentions and behavior are like. They're all about self-aggrandizement and nothing but. And that fact is all over their smug mugs and poses.

Not a glimmer of empathy, humility, seriousness, concern or anything other than arrogance and being oh so impressed with themselves and preening for the lens. (...and no sense at all that they're joking around with the arrogant posing...)

These are God's speshul people. No doubt about it. All you other losers get out of the way. Anybody I've ever seen looking like that turns out on further acquaintance to be somebody I end up loathing. 

They're more offensive-looking than the Duggars, except for Jim Bob and teenage Josh.

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Hurricane Andrew here...total devastation. The LAST thing we needed or wanted were a bunch of idiots trying to do repairs and wander around preaching. Repairs to what? It was freaking gone. As others have said...cue Bethenny Frankel. Send help with immediate necessities. The government doesn't need to take care of you when you inevitably fuck something up.

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Why are idiots like Duggar’s and Bates procreate like bunnies? 

Guess normal ones should start having huge families to balance things out.

I find all religions cult like so excuse my rant.

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17 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Why are idiots like Duggar’s and Bates procreate like bunnies? 

Guess normal ones should start having huge families to balance things out.

I find all religions cult like so excuse my rant.

I'm with you on that last line.  Fascinating and disgusting at the same time.  I just can't get with the endless breeding that fundies and other cults encourage.

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