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He died relatively young from cancer at age 52 in 1988, unfortunately. Such a shame- I bet he could've had an amazing career if he had been born forty years later and could have been openly gay in Hollywood.

Anyway, another random tidbit is that Rita Moreno was actively trying to gain weight because she wanted a sexy pear shape body but apparently the producers weren't okay with that. She was also pretty pissed about getting dubbed for A Boy Like That and she trashed Natalie's accent as well as the hideous makeup they put on the Sharks to make them look Puerto Rican. Which she also had to wear despite actually being Puerto Rican. (And Natalie Wood for some reason didn't have to wear. I guess it was okay for Maria to not have greasepaint smeared all over her face?)

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They've been taking care to keep Dominic Cooper and Amanda Seyfried as relatively far apart as they can for the Mama Mia 2 press junket, I've noticed. I mean, they are professional and their break-up was a long time ago, but probably smart not to have them interact as much.

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So here's what happened when they were developing Some Kind of Wonderful.

-John Hughes was angry about the fact that he had to change the ending to Pretty in Pink, which is what essentially brought about this movie because this is basically the same story just with the genders reversed and the ending he wanted.

-As a result of this change, he and Howard Deutch began to have tension despite him still having Deutch as the director. I'm guessing John blamed Deutch for the bad test reactions to Pretty in Pink?  (And not, you know, them casting a guy to play Ducky that Molly Ringwald had absolutely no sexual chemistry with. It's not even on Jon Cryer- he had awesome romantic chemistry with both Helen Hunt and Annabeth Gish.) Deutch wanted to cast Michael J. Fox in the main role (kind of ironic given that Eric Stoltz got fired from playing Marty McFly), but Fox turned it down. Deutch then left the project.

-John Hughes wanted Molly Ringwald to play Amanda Jones, but she turned it down. (And frankly, I don't blame her.) That led to a falling out between them, including a Times interview where she basically said she never wanted to work with him again. (And she never did.)

-Lea Thompson was offered the part next, but turned it down.

-John Hughes then hired Martha Coolidge (best known for Valley Girl) to direct. Coolidge hired Kim Delaney for Amanda, Eric Stoltz for Keith, Mary Stuart Masterson as Watts, and Kyle McLachlan as Hardy.

-Pretty in Pink was released and became a big hit. I guess that makes Hughes more receptive to Howard Deutch because he fires Coolidge, Delaney, and McLachlan. Howard Deutch officially comes back. I'm guessing Martha Coolidge didn't want to make a carbon copy of Pretty in Pink so she and Hughes didn't see eye-to-eye? Kim Delaney does have an alcohol problem and I wonder if that came into play with her firing. I'm kind of bummed about Kyle, though- I bet he could have rocked that part. Craig Sheffer was trying too hard to emulate James Spader in the movie.

-Howard the Duck flops, and the same weekend it happens, Lea Thompson is called up by Eric Stoltz (who was her good friend) who tries to convince her to take the part again. Given what a massive flop Howard the Duck was, Lea is no fool and dips back into the high school pond one last time. (Well, except for Lorraine in Back to the Future 2, as we do see her play high school there.) It winds up working out for her because she falls in love with Howard Deutch and they are married to this day, producing two daughters. Zoe Deutch is very pretty and charming. I think she's got an awesome shot at becoming a big star.

I do think it's the weakest of the Hughes teen films but I did love that the chemistry between Watts and Keith, and Amanda's story arc.

I wonder what Coolidge would have done, though- I bet Shayne and Amanda's dynamics would have been better fleshed out. She did a great job with bitchy teen girls in Valley Girl.

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Re-watching the late and great Tab Hunter's bio documentary, I remembered that he was fired from the musical Damn Yankees. Damn Yankees had been a very successful musical, and Jack Warner basically bought the rights and transferred almost the entire team for the movie version, including the director George Abbott. Stephen Douglass didn't carry, because Jack Warner intended for Tab Hunter to play the part. Clearly, George Abbott was not happy with this, and tried to line-read Tab. Tab being at the zenith of his stardom basically had the balls to tell George Abbott that he was not going to play the part the same way Stephen Douglass did because he could do it better. George basically shut his script, walked out of the room, and then fired Tab. Jack Warner being Jack Warner sure as hell wasn't going to let that happen, and he "persuaded" George Abbott to take Tab back. So that had to be awkward.

A really funny anecdote that I remember from Tab's book is that while he was filming a war movie, he decided to skip out on the military training that everyone was doing because he had done so many war movies at this point. Tab decided to spend the morning instead at a cafe drinking some cappuccino or whatever. The director of the movie apparently showed up at the cafe in person to chew Tab out for being so unprofessional and get his ass back on set for the training.

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On 1/18/2016 at 3:20 PM, Dejana said:

It does look like The Revenant will make back its budget (though there are whispers it's even higher than the reported $135m), and Hardy got his first Oscar nomination out of it, so that will take away some of the sting. OTOH, Iñárritu's ego and exceseive ways might only increase, so good luck to his next cast.

Tom Hardy wound up making the best decision of his career so far in turning down Suicide Squad. He got an Oscar nomination and it allowed him to be able to do Venom. Venom made a shit ton of money. (It wasn't liked by the critics but the moviegoing public enjoyed it.)

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OK, this is another blast from the past but here it goes:   after skyrocketing to fame after starring in  the first widely released sound movie, The Jazz Singer (1927),  in 1928, 42-year-old Al Jolson married   the 19-year-old then-hot dancing sensation, Ruby Keeler (3rd of 4  unions for him, 1st of 2 for her)and they would adopt a son in 1937 they'd name Al Jolson, Jr. (calling him 'Sonny'). It  ended badly in 1940 but in 1941 she remarried a Mr. John Homer Lowe who officially adopted Al Jolson, Jr. and they renamed him Peter Albert Lowe [the name he'd use the rest of his life]. and they'd wind up having four more children together in an apparently happy union until Mr. Lowe's death in 1969. Mr. Jolson had died in 1950 while Miss Keeler lived until 1993. 

Going back to  1946,  Columbia Pictures   produced The Jolson Story a somewhat fictionalized and sanitized bio of the still-living Mr. Jolson. It didn't take long for Miss Keeler to get wind of this and she bluntly told them that  she didn't like him and didn't want her children to see the movie   depicting her having been married to him so she engaged a lawyer to cut out all mentions of their marriage. Believe it or not, she was successful and the character of Mr. Jolson's only depicted wife wound up being given an entirely different name! It's also interesting that Mr. Jolson was depicted by Larry Parks (Betty Garrett's husband) while his wife was depicted by Evelyn Keyes (of GWTW fame). Contrary to the 23 year age gap  between the real life Mr. Jolson and Miss Keeler, Mr. Parks was only two years Miss Keyes's senior! 

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I'm thinking that might be the reason why you generally have to get permission from real, living people for them to be portrayed in a bio. I know that when they made the Runaways bio, Jackie Fox did not consent to having herself portrayed, so they made up a fake character named Robin and gave her next to nothing to do in the movie. (Which is a shame because Alia Shawkat is a wonderful actress.)

It's reasons like this that I really wouldn't hold my breath for a Nirvana bio while Courtney Love is still alive, unless they can somehow manage to do one that cuts out all mentions of Courtney Love. She is never going to consent to a movie that would even hint at her not being a good person. She sure as hell wouldn't sign off on anything that evenly remotely suggested she killed Kurt.

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Interesting to ponder that methodwriter. Yes, you make a good argument as to why there likely won't be any Cobain movies that hint that she could have been less than the nicest person as long as Miss Love is breathing.

It's somewhat how history literally whitewashed for many decades the misdeeds of General George Custer after his 1876 death at the Battle of Little Big Horn in no small part due to the determination of his widow Libbie who was only 34 at the time of his death and saddled with  very large debts from him. She proved to be a such prolific writer and speaker in the effort to glorify his legacy   that by the time of her death in 1933 (at age 91[!]), she was worth $100,000- at the height of the Depression! Essentially, history would have to wait for her death before getting more balanced views of the general (and, yes, that definitely included movie depictions of him that had been done as early as the 1910s).

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16 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I'm thinking that might be the reason why you generally have to get permission from real, living people for them to be portrayed in a bio. I know that when they made the Runaways bio, Jackie Fox did not consent to having herself portrayed, so they made up a fake character named Robin and gave her next to nothing to do in the movie. (Which is a shame because Alia Shawkat is a wonderful actress.)

That’s an interesting possibility. That reminds me of that disclaimer at the end of tv shows and movies that all characters and events are fictitious. 

It can’t be true in all situations just based on those British royal family Lifetime movies. It haven’t watched them so I don’t know if it included a disclaimer.

ETA- the story behind the disclaimer is interesting. The Strange Reason Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction (You Guessed It: Rasputin!)

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1 hour ago, Dani said:

That’s an interesting possibility. That reminds me of that disclaimer at the end of tv shows and movies that all characters and events are fictitious. 

It can’t be true in all situations just based on those British royal family Lifetime movies. It haven’t watched them so I don’t know if it included a disclaimer.

ETA- the story behind the disclaimer is interesting. The Strange Reason Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction (You Guessed It: Rasputin!)

Yeah, every time they play that on TCM/AMC they would mention that before the movie started they would talk about it. 

5 hours ago, Blergh said:

Interesting to ponder that methodwriter. Yes, you make a good argument as to why there likely won't be any Cobain movies that hint that she could have been less than the nicest person as long as Miss Love is breathing.

It's somewhat how history literally whitewashed for many decades the misdeeds of General George Custer after his 1876 death at the Battle of Little Big Horn in no small part due to the determination of his widow Libbie who was only 34 at the time of his death and saddled with  very large debts from him. She proved to be a such prolific writer and speaker in the effort to glorify his legacy   that by the time of her death in 1933 (at age 91[!]), she was worth $100,000- at the height of the Depression! Essentially, history would have to wait for her death before getting more balanced views of the general (and, yes, that definitely included movie depictions of him that had been done as early as the 1910s).

Unfortunately its worked too well. My friend and I went to the same high school but at one point had different history teachers. Her history teacher told them all the whitewash story about poor Custer he was a victim and how evil the Native Americans who killed him were.  I and the rest of our friends had different history teachers who told us the truth. We ended up telling our friend the truth and that everything her teacher said was a pack of lies. She was really upset over being told lies and by a history teacher. 

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On 10/5/2019 at 8:20 AM, Dejana said:

Tom Hanks vs Henry Winkler on the set of Turner & Hooch!!!

https://people.com/movies/henry-winkler-addresses-tom-hank-feud-rumors/

I REALLY liked Mr. Winkler's diplomatic POV re whatever went down with Mr. Hanks! As much as I have to admit being a bit surprised that these two performers didn't hit it off (and they HAD worked together before on a Happy Days episode in which Mr. Hanks' character played a former target of Fonzie's earlier bullying who avenged himself via martial arts), it's actually a bit refreshing to learn that Mr. Hanks has a little clay in his feet! 

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Apparently he really, really didn't like Eric Stoltz. I guess it really worked out for him that Eric got fired.

Lea Thompson (who was friends with Eric) offered her take on the Eric situation as well:

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4 hours ago, Dejana said:

 

I can’t believe two actors were tasked with baking a cake. They had to know it was a joke or a set-up...Or maybe not. 

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Honestly, I don't buy that Harrison Ford wasn't the immediate first pick. They might have been looking for a back up, though. I think my favorite botched audition story is Jane Seymour, who was auditioning for Meggy in The Thorn Birds mini-series. She was doing a love scene with the star, and her milk came in, dripping onto his chest. She had spent the days leading up to her audition binding her chest so the milk would drive up, because Meggy was supposed to have small breasts, so I guess they couldn't handle the stimulation of her chest pressing into his?

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10 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

Honestly, I don't buy that Harrison Ford wasn't the immediate first pick. They might have been looking for a back up, though. I think my favorite botched audition story is Jane Seymour, who was auditioning for Meggy in The Thorn Birds mini-series. She was doing a love scene with the star, and her milk came in, dripping onto his chest. She had spent the days leading up to her audition binding her chest so the milk would drive up, because Meggy was supposed to have small breasts, so I guess they couldn't handle the stimulation of her chest pressing into his?

Tom Selleck was offered the Indiana Jones role and would have had it, if not for Magnum P.I. getting picked up as a series. It does sound as though Harrison Ford was considered before that, but George Lucas was reluctant to have a sort of Scorsese/De Niro thing with Ford in all of his movies. The screen test of Selleck in the Indy outfit is on the DVDs and a bit is linked in the article. He tested with Sean Young. Tim Matheson also tested with Karen Allen, and on the commentary, Spielberg mentions Peter Coyote was one of the people they auditioned, too.

 

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