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New day, new peeve -- assholes who don't turn on their car's lights when it's raining.  Especially when they drive a silver/grey car and it's raining so hard that you can barely see the lines on the road.  Not only did I have my lights on, I also had the hazard lights on -- top speed was about 35-40, the rain was so bad.  And yet, there were multiple assholes who didn't even have daytime running lights (which are bad because they don't include taillights), much less actual lights.  Grrrr.

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9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

That would be the first day of Spring. First day of Winter, the days start getting shorter.

I love Summer. Pool, Beach, can do so many more activities, well, looking forward to doing more again, than in Winter. 

Sorry the first day of winter is the shortest of the year.  The first day of spring, the sun up/sun down is equal.  Vernal equinox.

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19 minutes ago, Suzn said:

Sorry the first day of winter is the shortest of the year.  The first day of spring, the sun up/sun down is equal.  Vernal equinox.

I know- @Cobb Salad clarified for me up thread.

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So even though I prefer being hot to being cold, my pet peeve is an outdoor afternoon baby shower in June. It is going to be in the 90s where I live. 

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1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

So even though I prefer being hot to being cold, my pet peeve is an outdoor afternoon baby shower in June. It is going to be in the 90s where I live. 

LOL, I would 1000x prefer to being cold than hot! You can always put on another layer of clothing or turn up the heat...but when it is so hot...once you are down to skin where do you go... run through the sprinklers naked??? JK!

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As a person who has beliefs such as there is a correct way to load a dishwasher, I am very peeved that one of my supermarkets turned the self check into 14 items or fewer. 
 

So now I’m funneled into the regular lines where they man every line with a dedicated bagger. The kids do their best, but they don’t do it the “right” way. 
 

This is obviously something I need to let go, but I’m not there yet. 

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44 minutes ago, JTMacc99 said:

one of my supermarkets turned the self check into 14 items or fewer. 

Does the sign say "14 items or fewer"?  Because that would be awesome. And rare.  I grow increasingly cranky at bad grammar.  Dammit, people, do you hear yourselves? 

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24 minutes ago, Quof said:

Does the sign say "14 items or fewer"?  Because that would be awesome. And rare.  I grow increasingly cranky at bad grammar.  Dammit, people, do you hear yourselves? 

This type of grammar error, IMO, is no biggie (along with "bring/take" and nowadays the "who/whom" battles). The one that really screeches is the mistaken use of "I" by way too many people (e.g., "These grammatical errors don't mean a lot to my husband and I"). If you want to know which is correct, just remove the other person ("These grammatical errors don't mean a lot to I" 🤨). 

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I got into a "discussion" with a poster on Reddit who honestly though "my husband and I's wedding" was correct.   There was no reasoning with her.

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1 hour ago, Quof said:

I got into a "discussion" with a poster on Reddit who honestly though "my husband and I's wedding" was correct.   There was no reasoning with her.

I can tolerate improper use of me for I when the speaker is using slang, but the use of when me is correct is beyond annoying. 

  • Dear users of “I” who think it is more impressive than “me,”   
    I hope you didn’t have anything important to say, because I just got distracted by your grammar and stopped listening. It may seem petty of me, but it’s a reflex. 


 

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The rental unit upstairs from me was vacated about 6 weeks ago.  The person who left had been there for about 6 years.  On and off over the past several weeks I’ve been hearing activity up there that indicates there’s some renovations going on.  I hadn’t heard anything for about a week then around 8:15 this morning all this pounding and banging started.  It started in the bedroom around the time I was sitting in bed watching TV.  It was so loud I had to turn the volume up. Over the past 4 hours there’s been activity in various parts of the unit.  I’ve been thinking about going up there later to ask with all the activity going on are they thinking about selling (it’s probably a contractor making all the noise but I figure I’d make a point while maybe finding out what’s going on). I’m hoping he’s gone by dinner time at the latest.  
Anyway, my peeve is starting noise like this before 9am on a Saturday morning. During the week, most likely neighbors are at work or getting ready for work in the 8:00 hour but weekends?  C’mon.  

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Speaking of pet peeves,   
Regarding the confusion upthread, I am quoting britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-a-solstice-and-an-equinox

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So, in the Northern Hemisphere you have: 

  • Vernal equinox(about March 21): day and night of equal length, marking the start of spring
  • Summer solstice (June 20 or 21): longest day of the year, marking the start of summer
  • Autumnal equinox(about September 23): day and night of equal length, marking the start of autumn
  • Winter solstice (December 21 or 22): shortest day of the year, marking the start of winter

I am assuming you all agree with this, but some are just not good at articulating it. For that matter, I don’t think the Britannica writers did a great job either, and may have lead to some of the confusion and seemingly erroneous notions that were expressed above, but, happily, seem to now be corrected.

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1 hour ago, Quof said:

Does the sign say "14 items or fewer"?  Because that would be awesome. And rare.  

Honestly? 

1. I don’t remember, because 

2. My brain would have “seen” fewer regardless of what it said. 

I’ll take a picture next time I’m there and report back. 

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My dad used to announce summer & winter solstices, esp winter cause it meant we were now on the march toward spring. That meant thinking about our summer lake cottage (or "camp" as they say in New England😁) and I guess that made NY winters more bearable. Now MrP914 makes the announcements just for the helluvit.

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We used to have a landlord that would show up every Sat. and Sun. at about 6:30 in the AM and just start banging over our heads. Now this was back in the day when we would be up much later-having little parties with friends over, or doing adult things (nudge nudge wink wink) and sometimes wouldn't get to sleep until 5 AM. It would piss me off to the max but there wasn't much we could do about it. He was a huge Scotsman (my hubs called him Mad John) and I was a bit afraid of him. We got some $$ together and bought a house within a few months. I was so glad to be out of there!!

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8 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Speaking of pet peeves,   
Regarding the confusion upthread, I am quoting britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-a-solstice-and-an-equinox

I am assuming you all agree with this, but some are just not good at articulating it. For that matter, I don’t think the Britannica writers did a great job either, and may have lead to some of the confusion and seemingly erroneous notions expressed above.

I’ll save everyone here the long explanation I got when I learned it in school (specifically geography class) so yeah, that brief explanation about doesn’t tell you everything that helps you remember the differences.  

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23 minutes ago, Cobb Salad said:

I’ll save everyone here the long explanation I got when I learned it in school (specifically geography class) so yeah, that brief explanation about doesn’t tell you everything that helps you remember the differences.  

And now I need someone to pull me out of the rabbit hole of The Old Farmer’s Almanac (e.g., this page: https://www.almanac.com/content/first-day-summer-summer-solstice) which has a lot of details that could cause even more confusion, but are also fascinating. For example:

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SOLSTICE FUN FACTS

THE SOLSTICE DOES NOT BRING THE EARLIEST SUNRISE

Although the day of the solstice has the most daylight hours of the year, the earliest sunrisesof the year occur before the summer solstice. The exact timing will depend in part on your latitude: In the mid-latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, it occurs about a week earlier than the June solstice.

The reason for the timing of sunrises is related to the inclination of the Earth’s rotational axis and Earth’s elliptical (rather than circular) orbit. 

The latest sunsets of the year will occur several days after the solstice, again depending on latitude.

THE SUN SETS MORE SLOWLY AT THE SOLSTICE

Did you know that the Sun actually sets more slowly around the time of a solstice, in that it takes longer to set below the horizon? This is related to the angle of the setting Sun. The farther the Sun sets from due west along the horizon, the shallower the angle of the setting Sun. (Conversely, it’s faster at or near the equinoxes.) Bottom-line, enjoy those long romantic summertime sunsets at or near the solstice!


And now back to our regularly scheduled kvetching. 

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Peeve-at myself-for messing up a very simple recipe. Basically, when I forget to put in all ingredients that makes the dish delicious.

Too long to get into, but I made one of my favorite Indian dishes which is simple summer dish, and I forgot not one, not two, but THREE key ingredients! I knew it tasted...off, but I couldn't put my finger on it. So of course I called my Mum, and when she told me, I felt like the biggest IGNORANAMUS!

I'm making up for it by making another dish I know by heart. After I make a grocery run for some cucumbers, onions, and tomatoes of course.

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3 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

The one that really screeches is the mistaken use of "I" by way too many people (e.g., "These grammatical errors don't mean a lot to my husband and I"). If you want to know which is correct, just remove the other person ("These grammatical errors don't mean a lot to I" 🤨). 

But hey, if you're ever not sure, just throw in a "myself".  That'll make you sound like you have one of those fancy educations!

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Ah, the Middle Management Myself. If I have more syllables, I must be more important. 

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1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Peeve-at myself-for messing up a very simple recipe. Basically, when I forget to put in all ingredients that makes the dish delicious.

Too long to get into, but I made one of my favorite Indian dishes which is simple summer dish, and I forgot not one, not two, but THREE key ingredients! I knew it tasted...off, but I couldn't put my finger on it. So of course I called my Mum, and when she told me, I felt like the biggest IGNORANAMUS!

I'm making up for it by making another dish I know by heart. After I make a grocery run for some cucumbers, onions, and tomatoes of course.

Were you making Gazpacho?

My most bone headed, rookie mistake was when I was making green pea soup, which is pureed after cooking. I forgot to take to the bay leaf out before I put it in the blender. It was like eating a million tiny razor blades. I chucked it.

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3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Were you making Gazpacho?

My most bone headed, rookie mistake was when I was making green pea soup, which is pureed after cooking. I forgot to take to the bay leaf out before I put it in the blender. It was like eating a million tiny razor blades. I chucked it.

No. I was making the Pani for the dish Pani Puri, and forgot that the Pani puri masala wasn’t the only ingredient! 🤪🤪🤪

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I thought this peeve was a thing of the past, but it seems to be making a comeback:   
Spoken or recorded directions to a web address that erroneously say “back slash” instead of just “slash” (since all URL slashes are forward slashes, not back slashes).

And now I think it would have been cool if I could have used left-leaning italics for “back slashes” —just to emphasize the difference.

Today it showed up on the Rochester Gas & Electric site, and I heard it somewhere else this past week. 

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5 hours ago, Quof said:

I got into a "discussion" with a poster on Reddit who honestly though "my husband and I's wedding" was correct.   There was no reasoning with her.

That one is so egregiously bad!  It is painful to hear.

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10 hours ago, Quof said:

Does the sign say "14 items or fewer"?  Because that would be awesome. And rare. 

I know I've mentioned this somewhere on the site before, and most likely this thread, but here I go again anyway:  At the Smart & Final (grocery chain in the southwestern states) near me, the express lane has one sign reading "or less" and one reading "or fewer".  The placement and attachment of each leads me to believe the "or less" came first, so I like to imagine they got so many complaints they put up the "or fewer" version and just didn't feel like dismantling the first sign.

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On 6/12/2021 at 10:59 AM, Quof said:

Does the sign say "14 items or fewer"?  Because that would be awesome. And rare.  I grow increasingly cranky at bad grammar.  Dammit, people, do you hear yourselves? 

 

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14 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

Merriam-Webster is a rabbit hole that I go down on the regular:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/fewer-vs-less

Especially when there is a link in the article (like in the one above) that goes to Ask The Editor:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/video/old-school-grammar  (added discussion about how words came to be accepted, like the two in the above link)

I started grinding my teeth while reading the info' re: less vs fewer. The hell with it. I'll continue using whichever word comes into my noggin first. I bet most people don't even notice when the "wrong" word is used.

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And that's the problem - people use whatever word first comes into their mind.  That's how we get "I seen" and "I's" and " Mary and me are" and "between you and I".....

Maybe if people would think for a second about which word is correct, my blood pressure would come down.   And truly, if one takes a second to think about why a word is correct, they will should remember it forever.  

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25 minutes ago, JTMacc99 said:

 

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Wow! Signs with proper grammar, shiny clean floors, what next? Fresh green lettuce? 

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8 minutes ago, Quof said:

And that's the problem - people use whatever word first comes into their mind.  That's how we get "I seen" and "I's" and " Mary and me are" and "between you and I".....

Maybe if people would think for a second about which word is correct, my blood pressure would come down.   And truly, if one takes a second to think about why a word is correct, they will should remember it forever.  

Nah. Fewer? Less? IMO, it's just not egregious enough. Not like the infamous "I" that feels like long fingernails on a blackboard (are blackboards used anywhere any more?)

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OK...I have just become an editor at Wikipedia! So, now I can say I've gone back to work, right? I saw the name, Wallkill, in that photo and wanted to check the spelling...it looked odd for some weird reason (my excuse is that I grew up on the other side of the Hudson so I don't really know the town). First sentence at Wikipedia said Wallkill is in Ulster County. Wrong!! So I opened an account (so I could correct this mistake to read Orange County) and, eureka! I was welcomed as an editor 😁. I'm really feeling cool right now.

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1 hour ago, annzeepark914 said:

I started grinding my teeth while reading the info' re: less vs fewer. The hell with it. I'll continue using whichever word comes into my noggin first. I bet most people don't even notice when the "wrong" word is used.

I do. It's like lit up in neon to me.

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1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

I do. It's like lit up in neon to me.

Worse yet, it's starting to get the me/I overcorrection.  "It's fewer than 5 miles from here."  "I have fewer than $20 to my name."

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59 minutes ago, SoMuchTV said:

Worse yet, it's starting to get the me/I overcorrection.  "It's fewer than 5 miles from here."  "I have fewer than $20 to my name."

OK, now this example is glaring.

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Fewer and less is on my radar screen, and my brain definitely rejects “clearly wrong“ usage. 
 

To me, “Less than 14 items” is CLEARLY wrong. Fewer is pointing directly a NUMBER of ITEMS. That is precisely when you are supposed to use fewer. 
 

I don’t hear a problem with less than $20. (Although I’m giving the eye to make sure nobody says then as opposed to than, but that’s another topic.) To me, less than is correct because you can be $2.47 less than $20. So you’re not counting a specific number of dollars in the statement. You’re saying it is some amount of money less than $20. And you don’t have fewer money. 

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19 minutes ago, JTMacc99 said:

I don’t hear a problem with less than $20.

There isn't.  The poster said that because using "less" in place of "fewer" is so infuriatingly common, there has also emerged an over-correction problem where some change all instances of less to fewer, even when less is correct (I, quite the Grammar Pedant, did that once here - I was tipsy, and thankfully a poster corrected me so I could fix it for future readers the next morning, but I had it right, then second guessed myself in my muddled head and changed it before posting).  Like what happened with so many people using "me" when it should have been "I" - people "fixed" even correct uses of me to I.

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10 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

Language has never been static. It's constantly evolving. 

Hopefully, there are some rules that remain irregardless.  (sorry.)

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1 hour ago, Bastet said:

The poster said that because using "less" in place of "fewer" is so infuriatingly common, there has also emerged an over-correction problem where some change all instances of less to fewer, even when less is correct

Oops. I didn't mean to imply that I was disagreeing with or correcting @SoMuchTV.

I meant to echo what was in the linked article above to say that's what pops into my head when I hear "less than $20."  The article also said this:

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But less is actually preferred in phrases like "an essay of 250 words or less."

And here's where I get in my head. I'm not sure if it's a Peeve, or if it's just me being vaguely annoyed with myself for trying to make every single thing make sense within the rules as I understand them.

I understand how "an essay of 250 words or less" is acceptable, as you are not really counting the exact number of words.  The essay is just to be shorter than 250 words.  HOWEVER, if I were writing this instruction to students, I could see myself changing the wording to say "the essay should be fewer than 250 words" just to make myself happy.

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This is something I find really annoying. When a book series publishes their books in mass market paperbacks, then for some reason switches to trade paperbacks. I've got a bunch of  books all the same size on the bookshelf, & then suddenly, the books are a different size. Why change the paperback format? 

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6 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

Language has never been static. It's constantly evolving. 

I should probably post that somewhere I'll see it often. It would improve my feeble attempts at mindfulness and being calm.

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My peeve phrase is "I want to thank." It's redundant. You can just say "I thank ..." 

I also hate when people say "to" instead of "too." Like I've seen people write "me to" movement.

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Autocorrect recently corrected my its to it’s when I meant the former.  And I didn’t realize that until I pressed post!  Oops!  

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16 hours ago, GaT said:

This is something I find really annoying. When a book series publishes their books in mass market paperbacks, then for some reason switches to trade paperbacks. I've got a bunch of  books all the same size on the bookshelf, & then suddenly, the books are a different size. Why change the paperback format? 

Publisher do not own the printing presses.  Those are independent contractors, and the number of printers who do mass market paperbacks is shrinking and there are now more printers doing trade than mass market.  So publishers have to decide to wait for the mass market machines to be available or go with a printer doing trade size.  The wait time could be a few days or a few weeks or months, and waiting means losing money.  Then you factor in Covid 19 and how it disrupted the entire publishing process last year.  Publishers are still recovering and sometimes it's easier to change format than to wait indefinitely for the printer to be available.  

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1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

My peeve phrase is "I want to thank." It's redundant. You can just say "I thank ..." 

Here's another redundancy: "at this point in time". It can either be at this point or at this time.

I need to go do something productive with my life 🤓

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55 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Here's another redundancy: "at this point in time". It can either be at this point or at this time.

I need to go do something productive with my life 🤓

ANother redundant one is "each and every one of you." It can just be "every one of you."

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My current pet peeve, the small southern where I live and work.  The town has a website and social media accounts.  You would think they would utilize those to let citizens know of upcoming utility work especially when Main St. is closed.  Nope, not a single word on either their website or Facebook page about the road closings.  Nor do they have the correct signage deployed to alert drivers to the closings.  I just watched a school bus have to turn around on the road out front.  The street is technically two lane but has room for people to parallel park on each side.  Easy for a car to do a U-turn, a bus not so much.  

The main headline on their website and Facebook is the rescheduling of the Touch-a-Truck event that was a washout last Thursday.  

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3 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

My peeve phrase is "I want to thank." It's redundant. You can just say "I thank ..." 

My peeve phrase is:

“I want to apologize” followed by silence.

Me: tapping my foot, waiting.

Apologizer: “So, are we good?”

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46 minutes ago, KlutzyCobbler said:

Mine peeve phrase is:

“I want to apologize” followed by silence.

Me: tapping my foot, waiting.

Apologizer: “So, are we good?”

Awww-right! This reminds me of the other saying that drives me crazy: "I take full responsibility for..."  Yeah, ya numbskull. Who else should be responsible? 

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Your pet peeves are your pet peeves, and you should feel free to express them here. This topic is not to be used to say you are peeved by another member of this community or something they said, either in this topic, or somewhere else in the forums. 

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