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The only arc I sort of understood and paid attention to was Jamie's and my God.  The wife/mom's "I'm not happy with either of them?"  Lady, your son HIT SOMEONE and your husband TRIED TO COVER IT UP.  She was almost flippant about it!  

 

Next week: 100 episodes.  Good times show.  Like I said I have my loyalties to it so I am happy they made it to triple digits.  

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Frank was a bigger douchebag than his dad. I didn't think that was even possible.

No-name detective lady taking Jamie and Jenko to task and then getting her ass handed to her by a 2-dimensional mom who "wasn't happy" with her felonious son and drunk husband? GMAFB.

Danny as the Reagan that offended me the least? Is there some kind of shift in the universe? Is up now down? Is black now white? I am so confused.

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Wasn`t No Name Detective Lady one of the revolving door detectives that was ``auditioned`` as a replacement for Danny`s partner Jackie; she looked familiar, and I do not remember her having a name then either.

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Also: Frank bringing in the new detective and "asking" him to wear a wire to get his father to confess to the crime? Then lying about it to the man to make it seem like he ordered him to do it.

 

Creepy...in a circumstance in his own family, Frank would expect silence, and NEVER ask one family member to squeal on another. And, Erin was honest: she didn't have a case without more evidence, and she could have gotten a plea, but it was Frank who insisted that a man who killed a cop had to pay a higher price than someone who killed a civilian.

 

Also: I wish Baker had more to do. I would totally watch a show about her.

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I got why he lied about the wire to the dad. It would be bad enough you needed to wear the wire to get your dad arrested, but then to have dad know you did it willingly? It was nice Frank lied so at least the son might still be able to have a relationship with dad in jail. 

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I think I can count on one hands the number of times an African-American character has been able to defeat a Reagan/Reagan-adjacent character on this show. You never had a chance, Lady Detective. And this show would be improved immeasurably if they killed off Great Granddad. 

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Nice to see Sargent Sidney Gormley move up to Lieutenant. Also wondering that with Officer Brent Miller moving up to Detective 3rd grade, will he be Jamie's partner if and when he becomes a Detective? I figured when Frank recognized Donald Miller that with who the actor is it would be someone bad. But between being married to Phyllis, and having a son that's a cop and going along with Henry's messed up memories, I thought maybe he was innocent. But with Frank going to talk to him I figured, nope he's Donald DeCarlo and guilty. Nice for Detective Jimmy Nuciforo to use Henry's cuffs to take him to jail. I did like that after Frank asked Brent to ask his father if he did it, that it seemed he had a wire to and Frank told DeCarlo a little white lie that he ordered him to do it. This way dad won't hate son. But I am surprised that he would tell him he murdered Officer Steven Dixon in 1976.

The hit and almost run case was kind of interesting. Carlos Santiago who was thought to have hit the girl Mia. He was stopped in his car by people in the neighborhood until Police arrived. Detective Rhonda Buckley didn't believe Eddie when she had a witness to 2 people being in the car. But Jamie didn't believe her "gut instincts" either for awhile. Eddie told him,"Learn to trust me!" Detective Buckley told them to stop trying to mess up her case. They figure maybe son Ted was the driver but with his Vanderbilt baseball scholarship he won't admit to it. Was quite surprising that mom, Gloria, brought both son and father to the Precinct! Detective Buckley was quite surprised.

Danny and Baez's case was a bit more strange until I saw that daughter Jesse, committed suicide. Then maybe the family fell into my suspect list. Especially when Danny and Baez visited Janice Phillips at their motel and husband Jerry was "out". Danny must like "'performers". He was intrigued at the porn movie studio, and before when the males dressed as females. But others in the production at Cinema Kitty Productions,(something like that)were being killed off. Cat Halloway said she had partied to much. But the parents said they seduced her and she couldn't handle it and committed suicide. So Curtis Fallows was first, shot. Nice they thought he owed money. But bookie(?), Max Murdock said he was ok. Then they have Alana Robbins, this time stabbed to death. Different MO? But they worked together. Actually the 2 seduced Jesse. Maybe why they are dead? Director Jake Gayley was shot. ME Doc. Laura Trent Tells them that there are 2 different killers. Then Danny and Baez catch Janice Phillips trying to kill Cat Halloway. So both are arrested for murder. I guess that Jesse was their whole life. I feel sorry for them, but that was not the way to solve it.

To me the 3 cases made it hard at times to follow all 3 stories.

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Of all the dumb things in this episode, the stupidest was Danny not knowing that they make porn in NYC. JFC - he's not a detective in Mayberry. Also, Nikki had one line and she's still insufferable. Get her to a west coast college asap please.

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I was also annoyed that Linda claimed Danny was "disrespecting" her.  IMO, he wasn't. 

 

IMO, he was disrespecting her w/all his 'I let you' bullshit.  My hubs would be in the doghouse if he tried that with me.  He should've tried discussing ways for her to be safe (ie carrying a gun, more people around, taking a self-defense class).  I know he was scared and mad about her getting  mudded, but you catch more flies w/honey.

 

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he was disrespecting her w/all his 'I let you' bullshit.

 

IMO, Danny didn't mean it the way it sounded.  It's a classic clase of "that didn't come out right".  Yes, he was upset about the mugging, but it's not as if Danny had ever been anything less than loving or protective of his family.  He never treated her badly, or lorded over his household like an ogre.  If anything, he's always had love and respect for Linda.

 

He should've tried discussing ways for her to be safe (ie carrying a gun, more people around, taking a self-defense class).

 

 

Which comes back to my earlier rant when at episode's end, Linda chickens out.  I would have loved to have seen her learn how to shoot, and Danny (not to mention many other members of the family) could have been shown teaching her.  The family could have been shown at the range shooting together. 

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Nikki was correct, though - allegedly was the correct term.  I really don't get the Nikki-hate.  I like the character.  I like it better when she's more background than focus, but still like her. 

 

I was really hoping Henry was wrong, and that the guy had not killed the cop after all.

 

Sad about the parents of the adult film worker who committed suicide.  There are much healthier ways to handle your grief.  But then we wouldn't have the story in this episode.

 

So glad that Jenko turned out to be right, and that Jamie eventually came around.

 

Frank reminds me of my dad.  He had his own moral compass and didn't like it when it seemed he needed to consider other points of view.

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Yes Danny did come off as loarding Linda, but he let his anger, worry  and frustration get in the way of thinking his words over first.

 

Yes it would have been cool to see Linda and Danny at the range. Or even Linda, Danny, Jamie, Frank and Henry at the range. Maybe have Erin and dare I say Nikki learning to? And the boys should at least learn gun safety. Self defense classes would be good to. Even if Linda decided to go with mace or a taser instead of a gun in the end. She would be able to protect her home if there is an invasion of it when Danny is out.

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It does seem that between Danny's "Interest" and him being a former beat cop, and now a Detective, that he would have had something happen that would point to porn being made in NYC in the past. Be it a call girl, or a numbers runner or something. Just look at some of Law & Order:SVU's cases.

 

I did kinda hope that Henry was wrong with what he remembered or thinks he saw back then. Then the story could go that Henry and Frank at first stands by what he remembers, and as we saw that after 36 years his memories were muddled. Then as new evidence unfolds, or Henry's memories are jogged by the reports of the day, and testimony of  Donald DeCarlo. It starts to make him(Henry) have 2nd thoughts on what he thinks he saw. Then maybe have it become clear that someone else had done the cop kill. But in the same situation,they would not have probably made Danny or Frank wrong on what they saw. Jamie and Henry are the only 2 they show with not always the right thoughts or opinions. Yes Frank was wrong on the episode where the Church's wanted to hire private security. But it is rare.

 

I felt real bad for Detective Miller and his mom.  And if Decarlo would admit to his son the cop what he had done to another cop, why would he have not admittied it many years back? Especially when he had a family and he helped one go into law enforcement?? Maybe if the circumstances were right he would have been out of prison by now?? But if he changed his name to hide his past why tell his son now? Even if his son was say a grocer, I wouldn't think he would admit it, let alone to a cop?

 

 I was glad that Eddie Jenko was right about the lady and her testimony of the 2 occupants in the car.

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Then Erin and Linda could do a girls day out and go to the range. Really with a family of Law Enforcement Officers, Erin should know how to do it.

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Yeah, it didn't make any sense the dad would admit he killed the cop to his son.  Even if his son was not wearing a wire, he knew the prosecutor could call his son at trial and would be under oath to answer if his dad had ever made any admissions to him.  So silly, IMO.

 

 Plus, what kind of show has the ability to make me root for the alleged cop killer over the beloved Police Commissioner's family?  I thought I like the Reagans, but I'm not so sure.  With so much talk about honor, family and commitment, when Frank asked the officer to wear a wire, it made me a little sick. Maybe I didn't get the depth of the  of the facts well enough.  

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Danny is conflicted when he learns that a group of highly trained Army veterans are responsible for a robbery. Meanwhile, after a bomb scare in a subway turns out to be the work of a famous street artist, Garrett and Gormley argue about how to deal with the fallout.

 

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For a 100th episode that wasn't really anything to go home about. I did enjoy the resolution to the plots but really, I was expecting a lot more. The biggest problem was that if the one robber was a lawyer, they needed to talk more about why he couldn't get his friend the treatment he needed sooner. I've seen vets who have lawyers as friends or family cut through red tape a lot faster. Of course its Danny, he is super cop! The opening about the refinancing, yeah that's a bank. You have everything in order, good customers, pay everything on time. Good jobs, and everything and they will still look at you and say: "Too bad". Yet, have people who barely work, have 9 kids, on medicaid and they will all of sudden go: "Sure, no problem." That part was very real life. 

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Speaking of, that initial scene betweeen Donnie and his wife and the loan officer was super shady. It seemed like there was some Reason they weren't getting the refinancing (like the bank was under the thumb of some entity who didn't want to do business with cops) - was that ever explained (I admit I was dozing on and off for the latter part of the episode)?

That chase in the park was exactly as advertised and I laughed my way thru it as the guy kept running INTO people.

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Speaking of, that initial scene betweeen Donnie and his wife and the loan officer was super shady. It seemed like there was some Reason they weren't getting the refinancing (like the bank was under the thumb of some entity who didn't want to do business with cops) - was that ever explained (I admit I was dozing on and off for the latter part of the episode)?

That chase in the park was exactly as advertised and I laughed my way thru it as the guy kept running INTO people.

 

 No, the banking guy was just being a jerk, like I said up top, it was basically how people who are good don't get refinances for their homes and people who slack, get behind on payments and don't work get refinance until they don't pay their mortgages anymore and go into short sales or foreclosures. Why the housing market went south and its still happening these days. Keeps happening to my parents while a couple who were on medicaid got refinance and then less than a year later went into foreclosure. The park chase scene was such a joke, the guy was purposely running into people not to distract Danny but to make it look like they were in his way. It was so bad. Danny getting hit by the bike was the only thing that look realistic. Also, shocked at no time that Danny didn't take out his gun and shoot, he had several opportunities to hit him..

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that initial scene betweeen Donnie and his wife and the loan officer was super shady. It seemed like there was some Reason they weren't getting the refinancing (like the bank was under the thumb of some entity who didn't want to do business with cops)

 

 

 

Because IRL, due to the Frank-Dodd act, the banks are subsidized to NOT give out loans.  When I bought my townhouse last year, no banks were loaning out money for mortgages even to those with great credit.  Most people go through independent financial institutions.  Although readster also made a good point about those with poor credit getting more attention than they deserve.

 

However, I loved how Linda responded to the bank officer when he begged them to do something during the robbery:

 

"Come see us again - in a year, year and a half!!"  Gold, and definitely in character!

 

I agree with the earlier remark about the group's lawyer should have been able to help with their paperwork.  It was too easy for Danny to come to the rescue on that front.  In fact, why would an Army lawyer be fighting in Baquba anyway - usually they're in military courtrooms unless he was a specialist in something else.

 

It was rather uncharacteristic to see Garrett acting like a child who found out somebody stole his little red wagon!  I'm not saying it wasn't totally unjustified (one of the first signs you're about to be replaced is when they stop inviting you to meetings and if it were me, I'd think the worst too), but he was so pouty when he went to talk to Frank about it.  I did appreciate the resolution, because it seemed that Gormley was ready for an adversarial relationship since he was proven correct.

 

Otherwise, it was nice to see Danny's old boss get kicked upstairs.  I still want to see more done with Baker though.

 

I had some issues with the bank robber's disabled husband and storyline:

 

  • If he's a double amputee, and has some memory issues, why was he left alone in the house?  If he hadn't had any therapy yet nor any prosthetics, going to the bathroom could prove challenging.

 

  • Because of those memory issues, I don't know why he was allowed to go wheeling outside the house alone.   He might easily have forgotten where he lived and ended up lost.

 

  • If the wife is going to be in a federal prison for the next 5 years, who's going to maintain their home?  Plus, is the husband supposed to reside at the VA during that entire time?

 

 

I'm getting a bit annoyed by Sean and Jack's naivete.  I understand trying to be careful of what subjects are discussed in front of them, but their eldest is 14 now and the younger one surely has heard the expression "extra curricular activities" used for something other than extra curricular school activities!  I know I did and I was a NY'er with LEOs in the family circle too!

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I figured the "lawyer" wasn't really a lawyer. Yeah, he showed up and claimed to be one, but other than him saying it, was there any proof? The wife could have easily called him and told him to show up in a suit and get her away from the cops. 

 

I did like Garrett and Gormley and their little hissy fit fight. I was ready for Frank to tell them both they were grounded. Baker was put in an awfully awkward position when it came to the meeting though. 

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I'm getting a bit annoyed by Sean and Jack's naivete.  I understand trying to be careful of what subjects are discussed in front of them,

 

And those goes back to my longstanding beef "Why in the hell are they discussing cases that are still under investigation in front of children, or frankly, anyone not involved in the investigation?

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This episode really bugged me.

 

are we really supposed to believe the wife/mom really hauled her son and husband down to confess, let alone without a lawyer?

 

 

This!  I can relate that the mother expected her son to own up to what he did even if it meant jeopardizing his athletic scholarship, but at least they should have brought a lawyer in with them.  Since the girl he hit wasn't seriously hurt, they could have worked something out.  Showing up the detective in that case could end up biting Reagan/Jenko in the butt one day.  Even when proven wrong, detectives get bad attitudes and don't often let things like this go.

 

I had a BIG problem with the cop killer storyline.  On the one hand I'm glad it turned out the guy did it;  I would have hated it if it turned out he was innocent and was spending the past 40 years looking for the one armed man* while ducking the cops and raising a family.  Second, the fact that a cop killer would encourage his son to join the NYPD.  Even if his anti-cop attitudes of his youth had waned, I still expect him to be a little less than thrilled.  I don't mind that Henry's memories were a bit muddled;  even during trials, it's not uncommon for officers to go back to their notes on the stand because they were written when the events were fresh in their minds.  Not to mention a lot less time would have passed since the crime occured in their cases. 

 

I had a bigger problem with Frank asking the killer's son to wear a wire and get him to confess.  Even though he lied and claimed he ordered the son to do it, I felt uncomfortable a son was asked to rat out his father;  it didn't seem like a Frank thing to do.  If anything I'd expect it from Internal Affairs or the Feds.

 

It does seem that between Danny's "Interest" and him being a former beat cop, and now a Detective, that he would have had something happen that would point to porn being made in NYC in the past. Be it a call girl, or a numbers runner or something.

 

Agreed.  Cops get briefings on these sorts of things at the start of their shifts.  At some point there would have been a mention of it or a bulletin about how more pornos were moving into the area.  Funny Danny should mention LA as the porn hub - now the industry has been moving to NV recently, although as noted in the episode, porn can be made anywhere.

 

 

As for the porn murdering parents, that was something out of L&O's playbook!  Saw it coming from a mile away.

 

 

* Reference to the classic TV series, "The Fugitive".

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And those goes back to my longstanding beef "Why in the hell are they discussing cases that are still under investigation in front of children, or frankly, anyone not involved in the investigation?


YES! THIS! And with the DA in the room...
(Also, I've decided it's in Wahlberg's contract that he gets to do a foot chase where he nearly gets hit by a car every other episode.) Edited by kwnyc
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Also, shocked at no time that Danny didn't take out his gun and shoot, he had several opportunities to hit him..

 

That would be an improper shooting, to say the least. The guy was not an immediate threat to anyone, and Danny firing his gun in a crowd would place everybody in danger. Cops aren't supposed to shoot fleeing suspects in the back. 

 

The terroristic artist plotline was stupid not because of the premise but because they treated it as a given that the public would be delighted with this guy's work. New Yorkers may be a liberal bunch, but they still get nervous at the sight of ticking, unattended bags (just like every other American with an ounce of sense). Plus I'll bet a lot of people would have been very annoyed at the hassle he caused.

 

I did like the suggestion by Tom Selleck's mustache to apologize by asking for a favor. It was pretty insightful.

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Does anyone know if the actress that plays Jamie's partner is pregnant? In the first scene when she and Jamie and looking to sit and eat her belly looked huge. Not sure if it was the heavy winter jacket or my imagination, just curious?

I don't know, but since I caught this ep on Demand after seeing this post, I couldn't help but notice. She did look quite large. I checked up on the actress and couldn't find any pregnancy mention.

 

I actually hated this episode. I can't stand when shows try to make us have a soft spot for the criminal (and Criminal Minds does this too often lately as well). Gee, Danny....yeah, maybe we should go soft on the chick who could have killed a lot of innocent people because her man was a wronged Vet. BFD. That doesn't excuse her behavior. Aw....she has no choice but to terrify people in a bank because they just can't get a financial break. 

 

I get it...Vets...many vets, get a raw deal. Imagine if everyone associated with them just started packing heat and went around stealing to make up for it? Bullshit. 

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The episode itself was fine, I guess? I've seen this a million times before but it bears repeating, since the vets have it really hard.

 

But the episode was obviously shown out of order: Gormely was promoted to Lieutenant in the last episode, and in this one he's still a Sergeant and they had a tension in the office over his position. Weird. Tom Selleck was playing Frank unusually animated this time (not that I'm complaining). I liked this stand off between Frank, Garrett and Gormley, they play well off each other.

 

I liked the Danny and Erin banter, Danny annoying Erin was hilarious, IMO. No follow up about Danny's and Linda's credit story situation, for some reason. Oh well.

 

It seems the actress playing Eddie really looks like she's pregnant. I wonder how they will deal with it in the show when it's time for her to be having maternity leave.

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But the episode was obviously shown out of order: Gormely was promoted to Lieutenant in the last episode, and in this one he's still a Sergeant and they had a tension in the office over his position. Weird.

Whew. I thought I had been imagining things and either mis-heard Gormley being called "Sergeant" or had dreamed up the promotion for whatever reason.

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Do Danny's pants legs ever get torn? His jacket's elbows?

 

My favorite part of the show is the supper table conversation (minus redneck Pops) and I'm sorry to see that cut back so much. I don't have a problem with the kids hearing about cases. I grew up with parents in fields that required confidentiality, and we learned to keep our mouths shut. When I was younger, I pretended not to be paying attention so I could hear more, but as I got older, I would ask questions. Like these kids, our own lives were far removed from the "cases" and it was almost just theory to us.

 

I liked Selleck's apology suggestion, too. I thought after Garrett and Gormley made nice, Garrett was going to quip, "Now, let's get that selfie."

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Whew. I thought I had been imagining things and either mis-heard Gormley being called "Sergeant" or had dreamed up the promotion for whatever reason.

 

I was also confused and thought I was remembering the wrong character getting promoted.

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Jamie gets Danny involved when he finds a homeless teen who claims his aunt was killed by her boyfriend. Erin is angered when McCoy replaces her as the prosecutor on a case involving a corrections officer.

 

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Erin is angered when McCoy replaces her as the prosecutor on a case involving a corrections officer.

 

  He probably needed her on a case where someone in her family was the victim, arresting officer or witness.  

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Considering the makeup of Erin's family, it would make sense for her not to be assigned to a case involving a law enforcement officer.  I wouldn't want anyone to think I don't like Erin, I do but she's not the District Attorney and certainly not the only ADA in that department. 

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So McCoy covered up the drug dealing ring because his father figure is in charge of the Department that had been going on in. And he still wants to going out with Erin after he took her off the case and lied about it. Uh, jerk much? Erin was a real trooper, though, investigating this whole thing on her own. I always glad to see the DA's office PI, he's great.

 

Linda and Danny having marital issues was a nice C plot. I like them together. I didn't get Danny's Lieutenant being annoyed at the apartment/"love nest". But the image in the end with her and Danny was kind of hilarious.

 

It looks like Tom Selleck broke his foot. Nice wrtiting around that and allowing Frank and the pops to have some work-related tension while Frank is recuperating at home.

 

The stuff with Jamie was kind of boring.

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I like Erin, but her taste in men is horrible.

 

I loved the conversation with Frank and Pops.  "Danny?"  "You two wouldn't last a day together."  "Erin?"  "All that concern and worry?"  "Jamie?"  "If you're lucky."

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I was bugged by Jaime's storyline - it seemed like something that would have occurred during his rookie year, when he was greener, not after nearly 5 years.  The resolution was a bit too pat;  boys like him are usually difficult if not impossible to place due to the abuse and neglect they'd received up to this point.  They usually hate the world and wouldn't want to be part of a family considering what his mother and aunt did to him.

 

I was a bit annoyed at Henry getting mad at Frank for the meeting.  Even as a viewer I could tell Frank wasn't trying to disrespect his dad and was serious about having him sit in.  I liked how the cane came back for the first time since season 1! 

 

I thought Linda was being a bit unfair with Danny.  He had some good points about the long tours.  Such arrangements are not uncommon for pilots and flight attendants during their unique schedules.  I was a bit disappointed the apartment turned out to be what Danny's boss (and probably Linda) thought it was.   At least they made up;  I hope the writers aren't trying to create a potential divorce storyline between them;  Linda struck me as a bit more understanding up to now.

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So glad that Jamie didn't end up as trying to adopt the boy or as his 'big brother'. 

 

I actually enjoyed the Erin storyline the most -- she was right to continue to investigate, but dang does she have horrible taste in men.

 

Also enjoyed Tom Selleck being stuck at home.

 

I have to image that the home life of a police officer and a nurse would be challenging.  Add in the kids and I'm sure it is a nightmare to schedule family dinners.  That said, why is Gramps (or Jamie the Harvard Man) tutoring Jack?

 

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Isn't Jack in a private school already? I thought that the boys were in a Catholic school.

 

The young actor who played TJ definitely had the look of a severely neglected child.

 

I wish that TPTB were a bit more creative with naming characters. NYC did not need another DA McCoy. The one on Law and Order was so damn ethical.

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Isn't Jack in a private school already? I thought that the boys were in a Catholic school.

 

 

That's what I thought - unless Danny meant some sort of afterschool tutoring program.

 

 

I wish that TPTB were a bit more creative with naming characters. NYC did not need another DA McCoy. The one on Law and Order was so damn ethical.

 

 

Too true!  Everytime I heard the name I kept imagining this show & L&O shared a universe!

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When I heard the mention of DA McCoy, I thought the same as others that this was a reference to Law & Order. Of course, it wouldn't work that way since Law & Order was on NBC and Blue Bloods is on CBS.

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When I heard the mention of DA McCoy, I thought the same as others that this was a reference to Law & Order. Of course, it wouldn't work that way since Law & Order was on NBC and Blue Bloods is on CBS.

Yeah I kept thinking 'really? Jack McCoy is the DA on Blue Bloods too? Cool!' Then I remembered it was two different networks and they wouldn't go there.

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