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2 hours ago, SueB said:

Well, they are around the mid-season finale.  I’m worried they’ll kill her off.  
 

I know Kim Rhodes said she wouldn't return to play Jody if they were planning on kill her off-- but realistically speaking, work is work. She's not exactly an A-list actress and has to eat, I can't see her turning down a job for that.

But I really, really hope Jody manages to survive.

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8 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

So if Rowena sucked in all the souls and jumped back into hell, how exactly are other characters going to come back?

How did Adam and Michael stay free?

Because Dabb is the Chuck of his own story and he can write it any way he wants.

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On 10/26/2019 at 5:14 PM, ILoveReading said:

So if Rowena sucked in all the souls and jumped back into hell, how exactly are other characters going to come back?

How did Adam and Michael stay free?

I'm thinking she sucked in the souls all in near vicinity which would also be why Kevin will be free of Hell also.

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On 10/26/2019 at 2:14 PM, ILoveReading said:

So if Rowena sucked in all the souls and jumped back into hell, how exactly are other characters going to come back?

How did Adam and Michael stay free?

Well they aren't souls. Michael is an archangel and Adam is his vessel.

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15x04 sneak peek. Seriously though, why put this out when there isn't even an episode this week?

I'm guessing their social media twit doesn't even realize it.

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9 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

15x04 sneak peek. Seriously though, why put this out when there isn't even an episode this week?

I'm guessing their social media twit doesn't even realize it.

That's not the sneak peek.  Its the promo.

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33 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

That's not the sneak peek.  Its the promo.

There's a difference, beside the length? In any case, it's a week too early, lol.

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We know Jody is in this ep (ep9) based on BTS set photos.  Now ‘Werewolves of London’.  Werewolf story?  But EP9 is likely mid-season finale so MOTW makes no sense, unless it starts out that way and takes a turn.  
 

RSJ also cancelled this week due to filming commitments.   He’s either directing 9 or 10 then.  
 

No indication of adjusted schedule due to this weekend’s drama.  No indication it hasn’t been adjusted either.  Just, no indications either way.  

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“Golden Time” – (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-14, DLV) (HDTV)


OUT OF DIFFICULTIES GROW MIRACLES – Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) are visited by an old friend. Castiel (Misha Collins) investigates the disappearance of a local teen. John Showalter directed the episode written by Meredith Glynn (#1506). Original Airdate 11/21/2019.

I'm guessing the old friend is Becky.

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1 minute ago, ILoveReading said:

I'm guessing the old friend is Becky.

Heh.

This show seems to have strange definitions of "friend" when it comes to the Winchesters, especially Sam. After what Becky did to Sam last time they met up, I'm not exactly sure "friend" is the right word to be using.

But maybe that's just me.

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5 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:

Heh.

This show seems to have strange definitions of "friend" when it comes to the Winchesters, especially Sam. After what Becky did to Sam last time they met up, I'm not exactly sure "friend" is the right word to be using.

But maybe that's just me.

I agree with you.  But I'm sure they will pretend that never happened. 

I'm not sure if this is a spoiler but posting her in case.  If Jody had blood in her hair does that mean she's dead?

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1 hour ago, ILoveReading said:

I agree with you.  But I'm sure they will pretend that never happened.

I'm not sure if this is a spoiler but posting her in case.  If Jody had blood in her hair does that mean she's dead?

Agree on the 'friend' Becky, too. Oy.

Jim Beaver tweeted about filming with Kim, so maybe it's not!Bobby who dies? I'm sure Jim would get a kick out of being a member of the 'Supernatural characters who have died more than once' club. I really hope that Jody survives the series. If there is any kind of reunion down the road, I wouldn't mind Jody and/or Donna being a part of it.

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1st question: Is Dean going to have a story line this year?

I don't know who asked that, but I would like to buy them a drink!

Short answer: No

Episode 10: funny episode, had the crew in stitches.

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20 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

1st question: Is Dean going to have a story line this year?

I don't know who asked that, but I would like to buy them a drink!

Short answer: No

Episode 10: funny episode, had the crew in stitches.

"Short answer: No"

Not what he said.  He said the brothers are linked together, not having separate stories.

DM if you want con data. 

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1 hour ago, SueB said:

"Short answer: No"

Not what he said.  He said the brothers are linked together, not having separate stories.

I'm not sure how this doesn't mean 'no'. He was asked if Dean had a specific story line and he said no, the brothers stories are linked together. You can interpret it as you like (as can I) bu that doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, IMO. Of course you may have more info as a M&G participant, as you have teased, but he said what he said on the public panel.

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On 10/29/2019 at 8:09 PM, SueB said:

We know Jody is in this ep (ep9) based on BTS set photos.  Now ‘Werewolves of London’.  Werewolf story?  But EP9 is likely mid-season finale so MOTW makes no sense, unless it starts out that way and takes a turn.  
 

RSJ also cancelled this week due to filming commitments.   He’s either directing 9 or 10 then.  
 

No indication of adjusted schedule due to this weekend’s drama.  No indication it hasn’t been adjusted either.  Just, no indications either way.  

I thought he was directing a different show, but I could certainly be wrong?

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55 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I'm not sure how this doesn't mean 'no'. He was asked if Dean had a specific story line and he said no, the brothers stories are linked together. You can interpret it as you like (as can I) bu that doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, IMO. Of course you may have more info as a M&G participant, as you have teased, but he said what he said on the public panel.

It's also not true that the brothers are linked in the story because only Sam is linked to God, not both of them. So Jensen was being diplomatic but factually incorrect.

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59 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I'm not sure how this doesn't mean 'no'. He was asked if Dean had a specific story line and he said no, the brothers stories are linked together. You can interpret it as you like (as can I) bu that doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, IMO. Of course you may have more info as a M&G participant, as you have teased, but he said what he said on the public panel.

I believe his answer was that he and Sam have a JOINT storyline.  Not that he has NO storyline.  Just that it’s not independent of Sam.  

3 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

It's also not true that the brothers are linked in the story because only Sam is linked to God, not both of them. So Jensen was being diplomatic but factually incorrect.

Just because Sam has the physical connection doesn’t mean it’s a ‘Sam-only’ story.  It doesn’t have to be a ‘what’s wrong with Sammy’ mystery.  
 

The show is ending, the main storyline may have several different facets but a joint, single, story about the Winchester’s vs Chuck.  

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9 hours ago, SueB said:

Well, I'm surprised he let the cat out of the bag in the Main Panel on Dean praying to Cas in EP9 and we learn WHY Dean had the reaction he had at the end of EP3.  Any speculation on-line beyond that has been pretty much off-target (those speculations that he's only using Cas or that there's any meanness in their relationship).  Dean and Cas will be fine based on what was said out of the panel but I don't know when and I don't know how it will play out.  But it's an important part of Dean's story (where his head is at and why).  Jensen told more in the M&G, I practically cried as he told the story.  It's gonna been good.

So I’m assuming by the way you phrased this that it’s something surprising about Dean and not the usual ‘he feels guilty about Mary and was projecting’ thing? And since you keep emphasizing that Cas is important to Dean, I’m taking it from your tease that the writers/Dabb are having Dean confess he’s in love with Castiel and his new feelings about his sexuality scared him so he lashed out. Maybe the writers want to prove how progressive they can be (though is it really progressive if a lot of shows have a main gay/bi character, maybe feels like that to them because this is a character that started in 2005) despite Jensen saying for years that he doesn’t play Dean that way (and this is why he has so much trouble with the ending). You’re surprised he let the cat out of the bag because it’s such a big shock and changes everything and you figured he’d want to surprise the shippers. They make the confession so early w/half a season left  because they need the general audience to get used to this. Solved it.

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2 hours ago, desiresrisked said:

So I’m assuming by the way you phrased this that it’s something surprising about Dean and not the usual ‘he feels guilty about Mary and was projecting’ thing? And since you keep emphasizing that Cas is important to Dean, I’m taking it from your tease that the writers/Dabb are having Dean confess he’s in love with Castiel and his new feelings about his sexuality scared him so he lashed out. Maybe the writers want to prove how progressive they can be (though is it really progressive if a lot of shows have a main gay/bi character, maybe feels like that to them because this is a character that started in 2005) despite Jensen saying for years that he doesn’t play Dean that way (and this is why he has so much trouble with the ending). You’re surprised he let the cat out of the bag because it’s such a big shock and changes everything and you figured he’d want to surprise the shippers. They make the confession so early w/half a season left  because they need the general audience to get used to this. Solved it.

Not remotely.  No Destiel or Wincest.  Just that Dean praying to Cas is about Dean dealing with his own anger/grief, not groveling.  
 

Having said that,  it’s entirely possible that if Dean were to say something to Cas like ‘glad your back’ some would take that as groveling.  In which case I would disagree.  

But it appears my comments have caused consternation.  Not my intention.   There’s a solution for that.  

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Some posts have been moved to the media thread.  Jared's arrest is not a spoiler, and therefore is off-topic for this thread. 

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53 minutes ago, SueB said:

Not remotely.  No Destiel or Wincest.  Just that Dean praying to Cas is about Dean dealing with his own anger/grief, not groveling.  
 

Having said that,  it’s entirely possible that if Dean were to say something to Cas like ‘glad your back’ some would take that as groveling.  In which case I would disagree.  

But it appears my comments have caused consternation.  Not my intention.   There’s a solution for that.  

Bound to happen when you are teasing about information you have but won't tell us. 

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49 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Bound to happen when you are teasing about information you have but won't tell us. 

I was trying to be helpful but not get thrown out of future VIPs or M&Gs.  Didn’t mean to tease.  But I’ve removed all my comments to avoid that trouble. 

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11 hours ago, SueB said:

I believe his answer was that he and Sam have a JOINT storyline.  Not that he has NO storyline.  Just that it’s not independent of Sam.  

Sam has a story line - we already know that. His connection to Chuck. Dean will also be there.

The person asked specifically if Dean had a story line, and to me, Jensen's reaction to that question spoke volumes. His facial and body language, combined with the actual words that came out of his mouth leave me with little doubt that Dean will be a supporting character in Sam's storyline (a la the Trials). He's nothing if not diplomatic.  If you have contrary information to that thanks to the M&G, that's another story, but what he said in that panel was pretty clear, IMO.

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So let's talk about episode 10 people - the funny one Jensen mentioned. The premise is Sam and Dean are not themselves. They can't fight; Dean has cavities; Sam has a cold etc. He said one fight scene had the crew in stitches. 

Sounds hilarious and I can't wait for it!

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2 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

So let's talk about episode 10 people - the funny one Jensen mentioned. The premise is Sam and Dean are not themselves. They can't fight; Dean has cavities; Sam has a cold etc. He said one fight scene had the crew in stitches. 

Sounds hilarious and I can't wait for it!

I'm guessing it's an AU thing?

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1 hour ago, SueB said:

I was trying to be helpful but not get thrown out of future VIPs or M&Gs.  Didn’t mean to tease.  But I’ve removed all my comments to avoid that trouble. 

I apologize if I misread what you were hinting at and I understand the desire not to get in trouble w/creation. It was just knee jerk reaction to other speculation I saw on twitter about it being related to a romantic/sexual awakening and ending up about a ship instead of Dean himself. Since you’d only discounted the speculation going around about it being Dean using Cas, I mistakingly assumed you meant the other speculation was accurate given your comments on Cas being important to Dean. 
 

Anyway- Episode 10 sounds fun, I think Dabb mentioned something in an interview about that episode being one where the Winchesters have to confront what it means not to be heroic anymore or something like that. 
 

Other speculation- people dying but not permanently, I’m going to guess that’s Cas going to the Empty then being rescued (or maybe that’s where he runs into Jack and they come back with Death). I hope it doesn’t include Rowena because I thought she actually had a good death scene.

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12 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

It's also not true that the brothers are linked in the story because only Sam is linked to God, not both of them.

Since Sam is literally the one connected to God atm, it's his storyline. Period. The only way for Dean to become an active part in this (and not just bystander/cheerleader again) is for his connection with Amara to become a plot point again. And I don't mean the weird part of it. But that he is the one calling on her and convincing her to join them against her brother and maybe devise a plan with her on how to take care of God for good.

Sadly I'm sure that 'dumb Dean' won't get the honor to even remotely have any of this happen or be allowed to have a good idea. If Jared's comment about 'Sam possessed by Amara' is an actual spoiler, then Sam doesn't just get one storyline with a primordial being but two. So where is there room for Dean in this storyline? Nowhere it looks like.

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I do believe the larger storyline is Dean and Sam together fighting Chuck regardless if Sam has a connection they both can use to their advantage...as always it's both brother's story in the end...the 2 clear central characters.

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On 10/26/2019 at 12:44 PM, SueB said:

Well, they are around the mid-season finale.  I’m worried they’ll kill her off.  
 

It's a given. They appear to be rewinding a clock. Killing off the newest characters first and so forth... 

I think we end up back at Stull too they way it was supposed to be.

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7 hours ago, SueB said:

Not remotely.  No Destiel or Wincest.  Just that Dean praying to Cas is about Dean dealing with his own anger/grief, not groveling.  
 

Having said that,  it’s entirely possible that if Dean were to say something to Cas like ‘glad your back’ some would take that as groveling.  In which case I would disagree.  

But it appears my comments have caused consternation.  Not my intention.   There’s a solution for that.  

Dean had every right to be angry about Cas withholding information that could have saved Mary's life. Cas suspected Jack had lost his soul and was dangerous and he kept it to himself. Mary died as a result of Cas withholding thos information. Dean is angry and  has not forgiven him yet for the omission and blames blamed himself for hoping for the best outcome which makes it all the worse.

He forgave Jack because Jack lost his soul doing the stupid Winchester self sacrifice to save family and Jack asked for forgiveness and atonement. The season took great pains to show that Dean more than any of them saw Jack as his son.  Cas truly betrayed Dean. Forgiving that is going to take time and distance and probably tragedy.

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On 10/26/2019 at 5:23 PM, ahrtee said:

Because Dabb is the Chuck of his own story and he can write it any way he wants.

The crystal was weak and it only sucked in spirits that were nearby. This was explained; it was an important plot point. It did not work on Angels or demons. 

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On 10/19/2019 at 8:08 PM, ahrtee said:

But doesn't she have that page from the Book of the Damned (or was it the grimoire she stole from that witch family) that was supposed to make her strong enough to even withstand Lucifer? 

(Whatever happened to the Book of the Damned after Charlie was killed, anyway?  She didn't have it with her so the Stynes didn't get it...)  

She used it to regain her full powers. All of the souls in hell were released. There are too many. . . ie. Too much power. . . Even for her. That is why she was so desperate to stop the end of the world that she essentially killed herself to complete a powerful spell to close off hell and contain the ghosts before she died. 

On 10/19/2019 at 8:32 PM, gonzosgirrl said:

They'll have to remember to cut off her legs this time though, so she can't hide any pesky resurrection spells in them.

She removed the resurrection talisman herself before explaining the plan to Samuel.

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1 minute ago, Castiels Cat said:

She removed the resurrection talisman herself before explaining the plan to Samuel.

Yeah, I saw the episode. That post was from before it aired (and more than a little tongue-in-cheek 🙂 )

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On 10/22/2019 at 11:13 AM, Aeryn13 said:

I think "getting to know him better" just means that Sam will continue to have some flashes that tell an alternate universe end-verse scenario story. Still imagine those will be quick flashes over the course of 2-3 episodes. Ultimately just to show how Chuck writes stories. I don't think those alterna-characters will be explored in any way, they are more exposition.

It's shoulder rubbing and wincing instead of palm rubbing and wincing. Red head Sam instead of head Fauxcifer.

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Yeah, I saw the episode. That post was from before it aired (and more than a little tongue-in-cheek 🙂 )

Gotcha. 🤪

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On 10/23/2019 at 4:39 PM, Jakes said:

To me Dabb was clearly speaking what Michael thinks of the boys not himself.   And I mean an archangel could easily have that arrogance.

Crowley called them nightmares in flannel. It is exactly how an archangel would see them and how Dabbler and Hacks would write the contempt Michael  might have.

Too soon to say exactly  how things will play out. My gut says they will probably aim for Stull 2.0.  There are big "ifs". Sam's shoulder wound and its God powers effect. Chuck's machinations being now known. Michael is patient zero for the most f'd by Chuck in every world. Initially he will probably blame Dean but then what. And what does it mean that Dean said yes to one Michael. Is the door still open technically? As much as I hated the hellspawn storyline. . . And I hated it. .  . They have been hitting some nice canon beats. . . I expect them to keep this up.

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Based only on past history and speculation that Rowena might not be dead (which is why I'm not posting in the episode thread):

- Souls are power.
- Rowena just absorbed a SHIT-Ton (perhaps it was a metric SHIT-Ton, it was difficult to tell) of souls.
- If Rowena is existing in hell, she's probably the most powerful entity there.  AND a witch.

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN. 

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Please keep your speculation and comments on the end of Supernatural in the Supernatural Ending topic. Use this topic here or the Bitter Speculation topic for discussion of the upcoming season only. As always, keep Bitch vs. Jerk discussion in its own topic.

Thank you.

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