Spoilers With Speculation

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46 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I posted this in the Appearances thread and it disappeared, so I guess it's spoilerish? Jensen seems excited about what's coming up the next few episodes. That's encouraging.

 

I hope he has good reason to be.

[catrox14]

That's weird. There was nothing spoilery in it at all. I listened to the whole thing

[Aeryn13]

Sneak Peak  for episode 7. 

Seriously, Cas? You can`t bring Dean because your angelic contact would be iffy if a stranger comes along? Ahahahaha. I`m pretty sure at this point, Dean is no "stranger" to any angel. They might hate him but that is different from not knowing him. Or we`re talking the most sheltered angel ever, Guess she was too busy being an AI over on the 100 to learn about the Winchesters that everyone knows now.   

[catrox14]

47 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Sneak Peak  for episode 7. 

Seriously, Cas? You can`t bring Dean because your angelic contact would be iffy if a stranger comes along? Ahahahaha. I`m pretty sure at this point, Dean is no "stranger" to any angel. They might hate him but that is different from not knowing him. Or we`re talking the most sheltered angel ever, Guess she was too busy being an AI over on the 100 to learn about the Winchesters that everyone knows now.   

Oh gods that's so stupid.  That makes no sense. Like I hope Dean plans on tracking Cas LOL.

Sigh. What are you doing this show?

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Oh gods that's so stupid.  That makes no sense. Like I hope Dean plans on tracking Cas LOL.

Sigh. What are you doing this show?

Maybe he still has the phone Sam put the trace on. ;)

Is this how he ends up with Lucifer? Oy.

[Aeryn13]

Well, it`s Bucklemming. And honestly, I could even hear the "dun dun dun" - despite there not being the usual musical clue - when Cas walked out because we all know it ends with him making a deal with Lucifer. 

"Don`t do anything stupid" in that context is like "I only have two months left to retirement" for gauging a character`s life expectancy.  

And I`m especially looking forward to Michael hardcore cage-torturing Lucifer, in a literal body-sized cage, in an abandoned church setting with a gigantic Jesus figure on the wall. Like, I don`t know right now if this is hilariously awesome-bad or hilariously bad-bad. 

I read something about there being twists revealed about why the AU verse is so bad. I thought that was covered with the "no Winchesers" thing in last Season`s Finale? But Michael or AU!Kevin are probably gonna shed more light on the details. I really don`t care for these writer`s "twists".   

Edited November 23, 2017 by Aeryn13

[gonzosgirrl]

7 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Well, it`s Bucklemming. And honestly, I could even hear the "dun dun dun" - despite there not being the usual musical clue - when Cas walked out because we all know it ends with him making a deal with Lucifer. 

"Don`t do anything stupid" in that context is like "I only have two months left to retirement" for gauging a character`s life expectancy.  

And I`m especially looking forward to Michael hardcore cage-torturing Lucifer, in a literal body-sized cage, in an abandoned church setting with a gigantic Jesus figure on the wall. Like, I don`t know right now if this is hilariously awesome-bad or hilariously bad-bad. 

I read something about there being twists revealed about why the AU verse is so bad. I thought that was covered with the "no Winchesers" thing in last Season`s Finale? But Michael or AU!Kevin are probably gonna shed more light on the details. I really don`t care for these writer`s "twists".   

I'm still wrapping my head around Sam sending out the BOLO to all the hunters (that are still alive after Brainwashed!Mary's killing spree last season). Uhh, hey y'all, General Winchester here. So yeah, that spawn of Satan with unknown and uncontrollable powers we let be born into the world a few weeks back? We uh, kinda misplaced him. Keep an eye out, would ya?

[catrox14]

Just now, gonzosgirrl said:

I'm still wrapping my head around Sam sending out the BOLO to all the hunters (that are still alive after Brainwashed!Mary's killing spree last season). Uhh, hey y'all, General Winchester here. So yeah, that spawn of Satan with unknown and uncontrollable powers we let be born into the world a few weeks back? We uh, kinda misplaced him. Keep an eye out, would ya?

LOLOLOL.  Honestly, if that's not how it happens I'll be disappointed.

[Aeryn13]

Yeah, that was funny. Like, congratulations, if you so far were only worried about poor little Jack being hunted by demons and angels, you now added a third faction to it. Of course, Jack could very probably evaporate every single one of them in one go. So, poor hunters?  

[Pondlass1]

I'm surprised the remaining hunter community hasn't taken up a collection for Sam and Dean to retire. They're more dangerôus than the monsters sometimes. 

[Wayward Son]

Ugh, if this mystery contact is In fact Lucifer and we are back to Cas lying to the brothers within two episodes of his return then I think I may as well just quit. At this point Castiel under Dabb is becoming more and more a character I find hard to like. At least under Carver he seemed to be developed, but Dabb has just regressed him to liar that lies and moron who gets nothing right.  

[MysteryGuest]

5 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

Ugh, if this mystery contact is In fact Lucifer and we are back to Cas lying to the brothers within two episodes of his return then I think I may as well just quit. At this point Castiel under Dabb is becoming more and more a character I find hard to like. At least under Carver he seemed to be developed, but Dabb has just regressed him to liar that lies and moron who gets nothing right.  

I haven't actually watched the preview, but I'm in agreement that I do not want them to go there.  There isn't anything I hate more than when they make them lie to one another (for their own good, of course).  As if that hasn't failed in spectacular fashion for 13 seasons.  

If Michael is the new big bad, then it stands to reason that they'll need Lucifer as an ally to take him out.  I'm not sure I'm ready to see Lucifer as a semi good guy, but I know for a fact that I'm tired of seeing Cas portrayed as an ass.

[Aeryn13]

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If Michael is the new big bad, then it stands to reason that they'll need Lucifer as an ally to take him out.

Jack would be a far better candidate. AU!Michael already killed his Lucifer and bitchslapped this one in five seconds flat. It reminds me of how everyone thought Lucifer could be a viable ally against Amara when she was on a level with God and he was...not. And everyone knew that. Argh.   

[gonzosgirrl]

41 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

LOLOLOL.  Honestly, if that's not how it happens I'll be disappointed.

He answers to the name of Jack, and he likes nougat. And if his eyes start glowing with fire, uhhh, duck maybe?

[MysteryGuest]

I thought that in our world, Michael and Lucifer were fairly evenly matched, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the AU.  If Michael is that much stronger in the AU, then they're going to need all able bodies to help.  Jack may be powerful, but unless he learns to fully utilize his powers in the next week, I don't think he'll be able to do it alone.

[SueB]

I’m not sure the existence of a female-heavy backdoor pilot is really a spoiler anymore, but just in case, I have an observation:

- there are more female demons and angels in S13 episodes.  I think that’s because they needed stunt women trained and secured for the backdoor pilot (which has 6 females who need stunt doubles).  I can spot a ‘Jodi’ and ‘Alex’ a ‘Patience’ for sure.  Less sure about a ‘Claire’, ‘Donna’, or new dimension hopper.  

Note: it’s not that there aren’t trained stunt women a-plenty, but getting close body-doubles probably took some effort.  

Edited November 27, 2017 by SueB

[goldy]

Promotional photos for Supernatural 13x08 "The Scorpion and the Frog":

http://www.allabouttvnews.com/2017/11/supernatural-season-13-episode-8-the-scorpion-and-the-frog-photos-promo-heist-time.html

[gonzosgirrl]

Now these pics are a more normal representation of the size difference between Jared and Jensen. And I must say they are both looking fine!

[catrox14]

UM DEAN HAS PIE IN FRONT OF HIM

I REPEAT DEAN HAS PIE. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

IS THAT BITE OF THE PIE HIS BITE?

DEAN HAS PIE IN FRONT OF HIM.

 I AM TERRIFIED.

Edited November 27, 2017 by catrox14

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

UM DEAN HAS PIE IN FRONT OF HIM

I REPEAT DEAN HAS PIE. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

IS THAT BITE OF THE PIE HIS BITE?

DEAN HAS PIE IN FRONT OF HIM.

 I AM TERRIFIED.

I just know I'm gonna feel stoopid when you tell me, but why terrified? Did I miss a meme???

[catrox14]

13 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I just know I'm gonna feel stoopid when you tell me, but why terrified? Did I miss a meme???

Because I've always been afraid that when Dean actually eats pie from someone NOT his mother or a mother figure, that he will die.  LOL 

ETA: I mean eat the pie on screen. Not like when it's remarked that he's getting some pie off screen.

Edited November 27, 2017 by catrox14

[gonzosgirrl]

6 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Because I've always been afraid that when Dean actually eats pie from someone NOT his mother or a mother figure, that he will die.  LOL 

ETA: I mean eat the pie on screen. Not like when it's remarked that he's getting some pie off screen.

Oooh!! And eek! That aligns with my prediction for Dean, so now I'll be hoping the waitress is mom-like :)

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Oooh!! And eek! That aligns with my prediction for Dean, so now I'll be hoping the waitress is mom-like :

LOL. Yeah, I actually agree with your prediction about Dean.

I actually have been noodling on a theory that maybe Dean wasn't sent back by Billie. Like maybe he's asleep in the Empty and ep 6 was his Empty dream...to be back with Sam and getting along with him pretty easily, having Cas back with them, going to Dodge City, dressing up like a cowboy, playing Texas Ranger with Cas, having steak with the people he loves, having a shootout with one of his favorite gunslingers and saving the girl from the ghoul. Jack's leaving at the end though,throws off my theory.  And ep 7 was Dean's continued weird trip through the Empty. With Kevin and Ketch and Michael all being representative of things Dean is not resolved with.

I know that's wild and way out there and very likely NOT the case. It would help explain ep 7 though LOL

[gonzosgirrl]

21 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

LOL. Yeah, I actually agree with your prediction about Dean.

I actually have been noodling on a theory that maybe Dean wasn't sent back by Billie. Like maybe he's asleep in the Empty and ep 6 was his Empty dream...to be back with Sam and getting along with him pretty easily, having Cas back with them, going to Dodge City, dressing up like a cowboy, playing Texas Ranger with Cas, having steak with the people he loves, having a shootout with one of his favorite gunslingers and saving the girl from the ghoul. Jack's leaving at the end though,throws off my theory.  And ep 7 was Dean's continued weird trip through the Empty. With Kevin and Ketch and Michael all being representative of things Dean is not resolved with.

I know that's wild and way out there and very likely NOT the case. It would help explain ep 7 though LOL

I wouldn't mind if they reverse-Bobby-Ewing'd him if it meant ep 7 didn't happen. I like the unresolved issues angle a lot. BUT, Empty!Cas and S11 Billie both said there was nothing but empty in the empty - so I don't think the sleepers get to dream.

[MysteryGuest]

2 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

And I must say they are both looking fine!

I'll second this.  Those are some lovely pictures!

[catrox14]

6 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I wouldn't mind if they reverse-Bobby-Ewing'd him if it meant ep 7 didn't happen. I like the unresolved issues angle a lot. BUT, Empty!Cas and S11 Billie both said there was nothing but empty in the empty - so I don't think the sleepers get to dream.

That's a good question if the sleepers get to dream or not. I mean Cas had his memories...so how does the Empty turn off the brain if it still has memories. Hmmmm

[gonzosgirrl]

29 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

That's a good question if the sleepers get to dream or not. I mean Cas had his memories...so how does the Empty turn off the brain if it still has memories. Hmmmm

I'm thinking it's more like deep coma than sleep. No REM = no dreams.

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I'm thinking it's more like deep coma than sleep. No REM = no dreams.

Ahhh....that makes sense.

[ILoveReading]

Dean’s scruff looks to be approaching S9 levels.   I wonder if it’s signicant. 

I’m also curious about Yockeys next episode. He wrote Ep 5 where one of Dean’s deaths was being burned by a red headed witch and Rowena is in his next episode. 

Edited November 28, 2017 by ILoveReading

[catrox14]

I thought this was Amara a first glance.

[Casseiopeia]

[catrox14]

Whoa what's happening there??

Are Dean and Sam at odds?  Is that Rowena's spell book. It's not the Book of the Damned. Sam put a gun on Dean and Dean told him to put it down? What's the deal there?

21 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

ROWENA!

 

[gonzosgirrl]

3 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Whoa what's happening there??

Are Dean and Sam at odds?  Is that Rowena's spell book. It's not the Book of the Damned. Sam put a gun on Dean and Dean told him to put it down? What's the deal there?

ROWENA!

 

Could it be the book they took from the witch family in Regarding Dean?

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Could it be the book they took from the witch family in Regarding Dean?

Oh the Grimoire??? That might be it.

[SueB]

That kinda looked like a practice.  Maybe they are using a substitute book for the run-thru. Otherwise it's some other McGuffin.

[Diane]

[Casseiopeia]

57 minutes ago, Diane said:

So someone is going to get shot by a tranquilizer dart, someone is going to lose a love (I'm guessing a guest star) and Solomon is going to be revealed as a sexual predator.  Great....can't wait...sigh

[gonzosgirrl]

10 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

So someone is going to get shot by a tranquilizer dart, someone is going to lose a love (I'm guessing a guest star) and Solomon is going to be revealed as a sexual predator.  Great....can't wait...sigh

I am not up on this kind of thing - but wasn't it King Solomon who made the two mothers choose over cutting a baby in half or giving him up?

New King of the Crossroads?

 

edited - taken to Bitter Spoilers

Edited November 30, 2017 by gonzosgirrl

[catrox14]

17 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I am not up on this kind of thing - but wasn't it King Solomon who made the two mothers choose over cutting a baby in half or giving him up?

Taking my reply to bitter spoilers

Edited November 30, 2017 by catrox14

[ILoveReading]

I looked up King Solomon.

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Perhaps the best known story of his wisdom is the Judgment of Solomon; two women each lay claim to being the mother of the same child. Solomon easily resolved the dispute by commanding the child to be cut in half and shared between the two. One woman promptly renounced her claim, proving that she would rather give up the child than see it killed. Solomon declared the woman who showed compassion to be the true mother, entitled to the whole child.[19]

I'm guessing one of the Winchesters will have to make a choice. 

[catrox14]

3 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I'm guessing one of the Winchesters will have to make a choice. 

Or it's about Lucifer and Cas re Jack. I feel like that SHOULD be what it's about. Dean and Sam are not Jack's father.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

I don't know what it would have to do with being a stalker, but there are legends that King Solomon knew how to make demons obey his commands, and that's where a lot of his wealth came from. 

[BoxManLocke]

Is this where we talk about next's week ep ?

Because the trailer for 13.09 has got me super hyped. Sam and Dean looking for Mary and smiting angels left and right in the process ? Count me in.

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:

Is this where we talk about next's week ep ?

Because the trailer for 13.09 has got me super hyped. Sam and Dean looking for Mary and smiting angels left and right in the process ? Count me in.

Is there a link to the promo you can bring over?

[BoxManLocke]

9 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Is there a link to the promo you can bring over?

Edit : Oh crap, can't post YT embed links here ? There you go :

 

I mean it's a little weird that Dean would get on Mary's case now, but I'll take it. I want her back on the show.

Edited December 1, 2017 by BoxManLocke

[SueB]

12 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I am not up on this kind of thing - but wasn't it King Solomon who made the two mothers choose over cutting a baby in half or giving him up?

Not exactly, it was a ruse, to flush out who was the real mother.

[SueB]

Promo thoughts:
It looks like Jack is in the back seat? So they find him?

They are doubling down on Angel extinction.

Mary's "Somebody help me!" was a call back to Dean's hell time.

[Aeryn13]

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I mean it's a little weird that Dean would get on Mary's case now,

I assume Jack is showing them the vision of Mary in that cage, thus "proving" she is still alive in the AU world. And in trouble. Hence, Dean`s "you were right" to Sam. So, why wouldn`t he be on the case when he knows it is an actual mission, not just hopes and dreams? 

The visual of Mary - in a cage and with the "help me" - like a mixture of Sam and Dean`s hell time and it doesn`t even remotely make me more inclined to like the character. Quite the opposite. Michael so far is really blank but he could have scored with me if he had killed her. 

[catrox14]

28 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

he visual of Mary - in a cage and with the "help me" - like a mixture of Sam and Dean`s hell time and it doesn`t even remotely make me more inclined to like the character. Quite the opposite. Michael so far is really blank but he could have scored with me if he had killed her. 

Here's what I don't get. Why would Michael put Mary in the mini cage at all? She's no real threat to Michael. She's  human. She may or may not have the enochian brass knuckles. If she does maybe she tried to clock him with them so he put her in the mini cage to keep her from doing that again. Or he has nefarious plans to impregnate her and get her to birth his own nephilim which I won't put past the show at this point given the whole Kelly thing. 

That said, I hope that Michael has such disdain for humanity that he wouldn't dare be soiled by engaging in sexy times with a a human.

He may have mind melded with her like he did Lucifer and saw all her memories of Jack being born and then knows about the boys, so he sends some kind of messages out to Jack to send to dean and Sam and they all fall for the trap. 

[Casseiopeia]

Edited December 1, 2017 by Casseiopeia