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As Callie tries to wrap her head around Robert's change-of-heart, an ambulance shows up at the Quinn's house. Stef and Lena find themselves on opposite sides of several issues, including Lena's sudden decision to quit her job. Brandon is offered an opportunity to attend a prestigious summer music program. Mariana struggles when her dance team leader changes the lineup the day before the competition. Meanwhile, Jesus secretly attends Ana's AA meeting and is shocked by what he hears.

 

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Aaah, nice fakeout in the beginning with Robert the one needing the ambulance. But Sophia is still wacka-doo.

 

 

"We're done." Yes!   Let's see if you mean that Brandon. And that was awesome all the things he told Callie. Just laid it all out! That might have been my favorite Brandon moment.

 

Glad Callie told her dad what really happened with Sophie. And she didn't get away with anything. Thank you Callie.

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I'm so glad that Brandon told Callie to find her own path. She needed to hear that. It seems like Mariana and Jesus are going to be the ones to watch for the first part of this 2B season. More thoughts later.

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Oh, Callie. I just want to reach through the TV and hug the poor kid. Also, Sophia is more than a little crazy. Wow.

 

I really liked the little chat between Stef and Mrs. Quinn. I like how level-headed Mrs. Quinn is and that she just seems to want to support her husband and also do what is best. That being said, I'm not sure what is best is trying to force a teenager who barely knows you to live with you full time, but I have no experience with custody issues so maybe Robert thinks trying to get custody is the only way he'd be sure he's actually get to see her. I totally get him wanting to get to know her, but forcing the issue doesn't seem to be the way to go, at least with a kid like Callie.

 

My favorite thing about this episode was the great wall of pillows between Stef and Lena. I'm pretty sure that every lesbian couple that I have ever known has pulled that at least once.....it has definitely happened to me, so it was a nice touch of realism that made me smile. Do straight couples do that? =) Oh, and Stef's "get your ass back into bed.....please?" cracked me up. I love them, and honestly, they're pretty much the only reason I'm still watching. They even fight like a real couple! They have their issues, but I adore the way their relationship is depicted on screen.

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I am in no way interested in another "Callie runs away" storyline. We've done this dance before.

 

Sophia's suicidal thoughts/actions came out of nowhere, I just don't feel anything for her.

 

I'm not sure how true-to-life this Callie custody deal is. Robert is Callie's bio dad, would the Adams Fosters have any chance to keep her in real life?

 

So Ana is pregnant? Didn't see that coming.

 

I loved Callie's "If you roll over one more time, I'm giving you a dog treat" to Mariana. I love their relationship.

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I'm so glad that Callie told Robert and Jill about Sophia. For a minute there I thought she wasn't going to and I was yelling "DID GIRLS UNITED TEACH YOU NOTHING" at the tv but then, whew. Although after the look Sophia gave her, I worried that she was switching from suicidal to homicidal. But then I realized Bailee was trying to make her face look totally flat, and then it was ok.

 

Brandon is such an idiot. And that's almost all I can say about that.

 

Jesus' arms seem to have grown several sizes in the "week" since the last episode!

 

Big fakeout with Connor and Jude. I wonder if Lena is disappointed that she stuck her neck out so much for something that turned out to be so conventional? 

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I liked the twist of it being Robert who needed the ambulance instead of Sophia but that they had her do something extreme in the end anyway. I'm glad Callie told them what really happened, and I could tell throughout the episode that she's starting to feel some things for the Quinns (Robert, specifically). And now that Callie has to see Robert every week, it's gonna get tougher for her to simply cut ties. I'm sure they'll figure out some way to keep her with the Adams-Fosters but it's getting messier.

 

I really liked the scene with Brandon and Callie at the end, where he told her she runs to him when things get tough... I mean, it's true. It seemed like they're calling it a day with them for now, which I'm happy about. I'd like to see how they deal with stuff without the Brallie factor. So I guess Brandon still doesn't feel good about piano, hence the tour... but didn't the teacher say they had therapists at the conservatory? Couldn't they help him try to get his strength back?

 

Really enjoyed the Lena/Stef scenes, they were all excellent as usual. I was thinking the same as Lena; why did Stef have to go over there, all territorial?! LOL. And I'm glad Lena got her job back with relative ease, as I wasn't exactly looking forward to job searching and bill balancing (which is very realistic, yes, but probably not that interesting).

 

I suspected that girls may have been involved in the tent business but I don't believe for a second that's all that happened. Jude started to say more twice, in the meeting and afterward... now, whether they did more with the girls or with each other... or were girls involved at all? Wouldn't they have been in the meeting, too? And do we believe that Connor's dad isn't actually a homophobe? I'm not sure, since he did try to ban Connor from spending time with Jude (because hands on backs = gay), right? Clutched my pearls when Connor called Jude a little bitch, totally didn't see that coming!

 

Also didn't see the Ana/baby thing coming. Who's the dad? I think this is going to mess with Jesus and Mariana, to know that Ana's getting clean for her third child, when she couldn't do it for them. Hailey continues to be super clingy, and I really need them to avoid discussing alcohol with Jesus' character, since his actor's had troubles with it in the past. "What, do you have an alcohol problem?" Ehhhhhh. LOL. Glad Mariana wasn't screwing over her dance friend (forgot her name). I hope this doesn't get to Bring It On-y, with this rival dance teams thing going on now.

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Also didn't see the Ana/baby thing coming. Who's the dad?

It's.........MIKE!   Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike!

:)   Just kidding.....or it's a crackpot guess....I don't know anything.

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Fixed it, thanks maraleia!  I had started quoting it when I was on my tablet then it wouldn't let me edit the part I wanted to quote, so I just exited out.. and fixed it on my laptop.....but I didn't think my post stayed there.

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That Stef-Lena fight was so real! I hope they get to show their positive connections as well as their fights.

 

Do we think Jude and Connor were telling the truth in that meeting? Should I forgive Connor for calling Jude a little bitch for confiding in his moms? Right now, I don't want to forgive him.

 

There was a lot of stuff about telling and not telling tonight. Callie told about Sophia's suicide attempt, and chose not to tell the moms about Brandon's scholarship. Of course, there's no way the moms would let Brandon go on tour (what a crackpot idea!), so it probably doesn't matter. But they were really working the tell/not tell theme tonight.

 

Jesus hasn't told anyone yet that Ana is both pregnant and sober. Also, he's lying a lot. Not great.

 

I loved everything everyone else loved, and also I just love this show.

 

I felt manipulated by the fakeout over it being Robert, not Sophia, who the ambulance was for, but I got over it.

 

RE how custody works, I think a kid Callie's age usually gets a lot of influence over a contested situation. Also, there's the added factor that having her go to Robert and Jill would mean splitting her up from Jude. And now we see Robert and Jill  have a suicidal child in the household already, so they can't claim perfection vs the Adams-Foster brood. Also, initially Robert didn't want to have anything to do with her, so he has been kind of jerking her around-- I'd hope the courts would give that at least a little notice. I actually thought the idea of having her meet with him once a week to get to know him was okay. Maybe Robert will change his mind again-- he's already done it twice. Or maybe a friendly compromise will make itself clear after people cool off.

 

Jesus's girlfriend is too icky and Mariana's boyfriend is too sweet.

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This episode was decent. I liked Robert's mini meltdown towards the end. I do think Callie should have a relationship with him.

 

I found my mind drifting during any scene with the kids' (in)significant others. Mat can buzz off, Hayley is cuckoo for cocoa puffs, and Lou is just there. I prefer Brandon's classical music to the band practices. The dance team needs to go away as well. That is not interesting in the least.

 

I liked the twist with Ana. I want to know who the Dad is.

 

Good music selections. "Over You" is definitely going to be stuck in my head tomorrow.

 

 

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"We're done." Yes!   Let's see if you mean that Brandon. And that was awesome all the things he told Callie. Just laid it all out! That might have been my favorite Brandon moment.

Right?  The fact that he called her on the fact that she has mostly only turned to him when her life is falling apart.

 

I am in no way interested in another "Callie runs away" storyline. We've done this dance before.

 

Sophia's suicidal thoughts/actions came out of nowhere, I just don't feel anything for her.

 

I agree about the "Callie runs" idea.  How she thinks that will help her.... I pretty much got it the first time; she was running from her problems, but she convinced herself that running was right because she thought she'd screw things up for Jude.  But this time it appears its about running from her problems, full stop.  And it's doubly foolish since she's already tried it and should know if fixed nothing and even caused more problems.

 

I disagree though about Sophia and her thoughts of suicide.  I thought is was pretty clear since the boat outing that Sophia was emotionally unwell and most likely profoundly depressed. In fact that was part of the reason I assumed she would self harm when she locked herself in the bathroom - speaking of Sophia in the bathroom, for a second the side shot of Sophia in the bathtub  I thought it was Callie.  I forgot how much Bailee and Mia look alike.

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Stef and Lena reminds me of Tami and Eric Taylor whenever they fight. I love them. Probably the best couple on tv.

I don't know what to say, if Callie doesn't want to stay with Jack McFee and Snow White then she shouldn't have to. She was cold to her sister who has grown an inch since the last time I saw her on tv. Bailee's face when Callie snitched was wow. Someone give that girl a show.

Mariana starting her own dance squad could be interesting. I just like how she went from insecure to someone coming on her own.

Brandon and Callie shippers must've been heart broken. Those were some harsh words Brandon said but it's not like he was lying. Pretty background song too.

Yawn at Callie and Wyatt. The writers need to realize Callie doesn't need a love interests or keep running. Stef and Lena is who she needs. And a hug from anyone whose not trying to get in her pants.

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Brandon and Callie shippers must've been heart broken. Those were some harsh words Brandon said but it's not like he was lying.

I have to admit to being a Brallie shipper.  However, I thought Brandon couldn't have said it better.  After the heartache he endured over Callie and the mess she is/has been, I thought he finally got it right with her.  End game.... who knows but for now a welcome break of sorts.  I find myself routing for Callie to finally begin to find herself and hope Stef, Lena, and yes, dad, become bigger players in the show to that end.

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I was afraid for a few minutes that after seeing Brandon with Lou, Callie would decide she wants to be with Robert instead of the Fosters in order to be "free" to date Brandon. I hope that Brandon's total shutdown of her at the end closes that possibility entirely.

 

Connor grew an inch or two since the end of the last episode too. And also got his hair frosted or something? I thought that comment at the end to Jude was totally out of character for who they've shown Connor to be. I'm ok with him getting to his last straw with Jude, but doing it when they just got off the hook for the whole camping thing, and after his dad was visibly calmer and nicer, didn't make sense. (unless we find out next episode that his dad beat him even more after that)

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I have to watch again but on first watch: I really liked the growth that Mariana showed in this episode. We finally see "smart Mariana" from the Pilot reemerge when she solved the dance team issue using geometry. I also liked how she figured out the scheme to get into the next round so that she and Tia could start their own team. Loved the bedroom scene with Callie and Mariana where Callie threatened to throw her a dog biscuit to stop her rolling over. Will be very curious to see how Pregnant Ana(!!) affects Mariana and Jesus in terms of having a half-sibling.

 

Really liked the fakeouts with Robert and Sophia. (I guess that everyone at the party was too distracted by Robert's panic attack to wonder why Sophia's hair was wet.) Also like that Jill isn't being portrayed as an evil stepmother. As a birth parent, Robert is being shown as a direct contrast to Ana. Having Suicidal Sophia evens the scales a bit IMO in terms of bio family versus potential adoptive family. Having Sophia walk into traffic -- as opposed to doing drugs or cutting in the bathroom - was a great move because it was wide out in the open. So glad that Callie told Robert and Jill about the suicide attempt instead of trying to cover it up. That whole storyline was better than I thought it would be. Liked how Callie told the judge that she would see Robert but not Sophia.

 

Lena sure got her job back quickly. :) Really liked the Stef/Lena fight. I agree with the poster upthread who likened them to Coach and Tami Taylor. "Get your ass in this bed"...

 

Didn't love the whole Jude/Connor/Connor's dad scene in the Office. Not sure if it was the Dad's acting but the whole scene bugged me.

 

What parent is going to let their 16 year old son go on tour with his band? Where exactly are they going to play at that age? So over Callie and Brandon that I was thrilled that he finally made a good decision. Callie does use him as a safety blanket and runs to him when she is in turmoil. So glad that he called her out.

 

In short, it was a strong episode and I'm really glad that The Fosters is back.

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The theme song for this show always makes me feel good.

 

Callie really is the queen of waiting until someone is walking away before she says what she needs to say. She did it with the Powell's about Sophia and she did it again with Brandon.

 

I was so glad to hear them put an end Callie/Brandon and a straightforward, clearly stated end at that. Sure they can always revisit but hopefully they won't. It was good to hear Brandon acknowledge that Callie uses him as a woobie. He was absolutely right about the fact that she's just flailing and reacting to everything. She needs to take a breath and figure out exactly what she wants.

 

Ugh Sophia. I know that the entire world is all about you but could you give a little thought to the people you could've harmed with your little stunt? Not just physically but the emotional damage done to the person who could've killed you? I feel like her breakdown came a little too fast for me. We got plenty of hints that she was unstable but when she said "I don't think I can do this anymore" I was trying to figure out exactly what she was referring to. She couldn't keep being a sister to Callie? She couldn't keep up her perfect life? What exactly has been wearing on her so much?

 

The Connor/Jude fakeout was interesting. (The show did a nice job of faking us out both with Jude and with Robert's heart attack.). Even though I think he was a little harsh, I completely see where Connor is coming from. The Fosters have this insanely open household but if you don't come from that background it can be annoying to know that your friend can't/won't keep your secrets. It's a matter of trust.

 

I completely don't understand why Brandon won't at least consider the scholarship. There was a time he was desperate to have surgery just on the hope he could get function back. Idyllwild would be a perfect place for him to see exactly what he's capable of. Also, exactly what places would this band of teenagers be playing when they're on the road. It's not like they can play bars so what will it be? Amusement parks?

 

Anna's pregnant. Oh yeah, that will end well.

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I wonder if Ana will relapse, lose custody of her baby, and Lena will be asked to foster her, either by Jesus or by the social worker who asked her to take Callie as an emergency placement. Lena did want a baby, and it would be hard for even Stef to resist the twins pleading for a half-sibling. I'm not sure the show has room for a baby, but I didn't think they'd have room for a half-sister for Callie, either... nor for a house full of other foster kids via Girls United. They might "just" be going for the story about how Jesus and Mariana react to Ana being in recovery "for this new baby but not for us" but I don't think the show worries much about double-booking stories, so it did cross my mind....

 

I could imagine Connor being uncomfortable with Jude talking to his moms. But the extremely harsh way he cut ties struck me as over the line. He could have been colder, not confided anymore, said he doesn't trust Jude. But yelling across the hall and cursing at him like he did? That to me is extremely harsh. I do think he might still be scared of his father beating him, but still-- I don't know how Jude would be able to get over that kind of outburst and stay friends if Connor tries to backtrack like he's done before. 

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I think Jude lied about the girls. They may have had girls in their tent but they weren't making out with them. Jude did this to protect Connor. This will come back and bite Jude in the ass in the future because everything does on this show.

Connor has no frame of reference as to how volatile Jude's life was before becoming an Adams Foster as well as how open things are at the Adams Foster house. Remember Stef and Lena have condoms for the kids to use if they have sex.

 

On another note, Teri Polo and Sherri Saum are so damn adorable and touchy feely with each other. I swear Teri Polo is going to come out as bisexual based on how she talks about Sherri and women in general. Also, her twitter bio says "Who I love shouldn't be an issue for you or anyone else...."

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If your child, or anyone, admits to you that they are having suicidal thoughts, or they make an attempt at suicide, don't take them home. Take them immediately to the hospital, or call 911 to have them escorted to the hospital. I wish the show had either specifically stated that the Quinns had taken Sophia to the hospital instead of the vague "she's getting help" line, or had Callie tell a little bit sooner so the police officer could have done something. Their having Mrs. Quinn say "let's get you home" like they were just going to go home and have a family meeting that solves the problem didn't really show the absolute seriousness of a teenager saying they want to die and attempting suicide. 

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Brandon (and Brallie) really bug me. The thought of another season of mopey, droopy, bloodhound face was almost enough to make me quit the series -- I still think it's going to trigger my FF finger.

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I was trying to figure out exactly what she was referring to. She couldn't keep being a sister to Callie? She couldn't keep up her perfect life? What exactly has been wearing on her so much?

 

I liked the ambiguity of it - it encapsulates one of the things that's so awful and slippery about depression. It doesn't have to be about anything. She might say perfectly truthfully that everything about her life is good, it's just that dealing with it is too much for her to handle. 

 

 

I think Jude lied about the girls. They may have had girls in their tent but they weren't making out with them. Jude did this to protect Connor.

 

I thought so too, but then that doesn't explain why Connor complained after that Jude tells his moms "everything". Because if he lied in front of his mom, then he hadn't told her everything. I wonder if the writers themselves were a little confused there.

 

 

I wonder if Ana will relapse, lose custody of her baby, and Lena will be asked to foster her, either by Jesus or by the social worker who asked her to take Callie as an emergency placement.

Oh please no no no.

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Was Ana sleeping with Mike last season? For some reason I thought she was. I know he was her sponsor or she was his or something rehab related, but I also thought it was implied they were seeing each other. Or I just can't remember because that was so long ago. 

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I liked the ambiguity of it - it encapsulates one of the things that's so awful and slippery about depression. It doesn't have to be about anything. She might say perfectly truthfully that everything about her life is good, it's just that dealing with it is too much for her to handle. 

 

I liked it too.  As someone who has suffered from major depression, I can attest to the fact that frequently the feeling of being overwhelmed by your life and sadness is sort of ill defined and feels like everything. She may very well have meant that she can't handle living anymore, that the day to day has become too hard. 

 

Was Ana sleeping with Mike last season? For some reason I thought she was. I know he was her sponsor or she was his or something rehab related, but I also thought it was implied they were seeing each other. Or I just can't remember because that was so long ago. 

I don't think they were sleeping together.  I thought he was just helping her out and getting her to meetings.  But even if they slept together at at some point, I don't think he could be the father.  According to 2A, the whole of the series has taken place in 6 or 7 months.  Anna looked at least 5 months pregnant which would be more consistent with the time period she was with the guy that got shot.  Of course, she looked not at all pregnant while at  hiding out with Mike (which is possible if she was less than 4 months along especially).    But it makes more sense that Mike helped her because she was pregnant and wanted to get clean.  I could see that being something that would break through his anger about her blackmail and make him focus on getting her help.

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I hope that Sophia gets whatever help she needs. She is manipulative, just like her “Father”. How can Robert call himself a father? A father doesn’t walk in and out of your life as he pleases.  I felt so bad for Callie in this episode. She should have a say in where she stays. I don’t see her abandoning Jude, so I hope she stays with Stef and Lena.

Ana is pregnant?! Wow! I bet the baby is Mike’s. What a weird twist to the show. I wonder how Stef and Lena are going to take that.

Is Brallie really over? I hope not. I think they’ll find a way to continue it.

Jude and Connor experimenting with girls in the tent, was a lot of hype for nothing. I thought it was going to be something bigger.

It’s going to be a great season.

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I hope that Sophia gets whatever help she needs. She is manipulative, just like her “Father”. How can Robert call himself a father? A father doesn’t walk in and out of your life as he pleases. 

I don't love Robert's choices, but I cannot agree with this assessment of him.  He did not walk in and out of Callie's life.  He didn't know she existed.  When he left Callie's mom due to pressure from his family (a cowardly move, but not evil) he didn't know she was pregnant and she never told him apparently.  He learned of Callie's existence simultaneously with learning she wanted him to sign off on her adoption.

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For once Brandon didn't bug me. He actually handled Callie perfectly, I thought. 

Sophia scares me you guys. And I know it's dumb, I got ridiculously excited seeing Wyatt in the previews for the next episode. Alex Saxon's hair for president!

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I liked the ambiguity of it - it encapsulates one of the things that's so awful and slippery about depression. It doesn't have to be about anything. She might say perfectly truthfully that everything about her life is good, it's just that dealing with it is too much for her to handle.

Depression is serious and I like that the show does not avoid serious themes. I also wish they had showed more concern for Sophia.

Earlier, before I watched the episode, I read here people saying Sophia is "crazy". She is not. She is manipulative and that might be because she seems to be spoiled and yes, the center of the family's universe. It does not make her depression less serious though. She probably saw in Callie a reason to make things work for her, in her life. That's very realistic for people who have depression/bipolar disorder.

"crazy" people are not the ones who do unthinkable things just to hurt others. Those we call narcissistic manipulators, the extreme are the psychopaths (which I doubt will be a theme in this show). I hope we can all pay more attention the the words we use. I know a lot of "crazy" people and they are as worthy as everyone else. And most of them work really, really hard to be able to lead what we like to call a "normal" life.

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Was Ana sleeping with Mike last season? For some reason I thought she was. I know he was her sponsor or she was his or something rehab related, but I also thought it was implied they were seeing each other. Or I just can't remember because that was so long ago.

I thought it was implied yes, but that would be sketchy because (from my understanding) newly sober people shouldn't be getting in relationships, especially not with their sponsors.  But maybe I'm remembering wrong and it was only supposed to seem like they were sleeping together, to surprise us with the sponsor reveal.

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Bailee's face when Callie snitched was wow. Someone give that girl a show.

She actually has one (well, not as the lead but probably a regular)!  "The Good Witch" with Catherine Bell on Hallmark.  I think it premieres next month.

 

So glad Callie spoke up.  I was thinking "What would Rosie say about this situation, Callie!"  Did her mom actually say "let's go home?"  I was trying to listen closely because I was hoping that's not what she said.  I didn't hear the "home" part so I can only hope they actually went to the hospital.  I was also very glad that Mariana had a plan that whole time and wasn't leaving her dance friend high and dry. 

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I have to admit to being a Brallie shipper.  However, I thought Brandon couldn't have said it better.  After the heartache he endured over Callie and the mess she is/has been, I thought he finally got it right with her.  End game.... who knows but for now a welcome break of sorts.  I find myself routing for Callie to finally begin to find herself and hope Stef, Lena, and yes, dad, become bigger players in the show to that end.

Huge Brallie shipper here. I loved Brandon in that scene too. She broke him pretty badly in 1B ad obviously doesn't know she wants now if she's telling a judge the Fosters are her family and then following him around the backyard asking why he doesn't want to be with her so good for him for not going back down the rabbit hole. I don't think it that they're done- if I believed that, I would have likely been done with the show last night. Generally, you don't get the big episode ending breakup scene with the swelling love song if the show doesn't intend to revisit. See Pacey/Joey, Ezra/Aria and pretty much every other teen couple on television. I firmly expect they'll end the season or the next season with her coming to him with a different swelling love song telling him that she knows what she wants. 

 

Shifting gears, this is going to be a tough season for me as a former Division of Families lawyer/fan if they continue to act like Stef and Lena have a legal leg to stand on here. In reality, they likely would have never been allowed in that judge's chambers. It doesn't serve audience members who might be thinking of fostering to not make it clear that biological parents hold almost all the cards. Emotionally, Callie may see it as "the Fosters v. the Quinns" but legally it's a matter between Robert and the State of California in which S&L have no rights and no standing to claim Callie.  And as a sidenote, Stef's little visit to the Quinns to try to coerce Robert into signing the papers was probably fairly solid grounds for the Quinns to try to have her immediately removed from the Fosters home for interfering with the case/trying to impinge on Robert's rights and to have their foster license revoked. Foster parents can't just show up at bio parents' homes to ask to adopt- that's a huge no and foster parents know that. Stef as a cop and a longtime foster parent should have seen the potential problem there or I wish they had at least touched on it. 

 

I don't know how much of the dance team I can handle. One 10 ep season was too much, the thought of two is....more than I can take. 

 

I don't think Ana's baby is Mike's but I do think they'll get together and he'll see this baby as a second chance at fatherhood only to probably get burned if the bio dad shows up or something. 

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It's.........MIKE!   Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike!

:)   Just kidding.....or it's a crackpot guess....I don't know anything.

As soon as I saw that belly, that was my first thought. It would be the perfect way of expanding the family circle.

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I don't think Ana's baby is Mike's but I do think they'll get together and he'll see this baby as a second chance at fatherhood only to probably get burned if the bio dad shows up or something.

Agreed, except I think the bio-dad is the junkie that Mike shot and killed in ... was that Season 1? It seems like a LONG time ago now.  That might complicate matters a bit (or maybe they're just planning REALLY FAR AHEAD for a plot line: "You killed my father?!" from the as-yet unborn child).  I'm not Jesus's biggest fan (or rather, not the actor's biggest fan), but I was happy to see that he appears to have taken Anna's words to heart and so far doesn't seem to be at his stalker-y girlfriend's beck and call at every moment of the day.

 

Question: Have we ever seen the fallout from the tattoo or is that something the Moms don't know about yet?

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Question: Have we ever seen the fallout from the tattoo or is that something the Moms don't know about yet?

Exactly! When he was lifting weights, I was sure that the Hayley tattoo would be visible to Brandon. I kept waiting for the reveal. I don't think that anyone else knows about it yet. Speaking of Hayley, I'm really glad that Mariana has a non-whacko/nasty friend to hang out with. She has needed a good friend since Lexi left.

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I was sure that the Hayley tattoo would be visible to Brandon

Wait, doesn't at least one of the sibs know about the tattoo? Was it… Jude? Mariana? I have no recollection, but I thought someone walked in on him in the bathroom.  And, IIRC, that was a BIG tattoo.

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Wait, doesn't at least one of the sibs know about the tattoo? Was it… Jude? Mariana? I have no recollection, but I thought someone walked in on him in the bathroom

You are right - one of the siblings does know but I can't remember which one. It was huge - I can't believe that the tank covered it.

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Question: Have we ever seen the fallout from the tattoo or is that something the Moms don't know about yet?

Oh crap, I forgot all about Jesus' stupid Haley tattoo that he'll no doubt regret getting(and he did the second he saw it in the mirror)

It should be veeery interesting once the moms get a look.

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LOL I didn't even realize Ana was pregnant. I spend most of my time screaming at how bad this show is or laughing at how much UCG there is that I missed it, I guess. 

 

Dammit, Wyatt was in the promo. I thought maybe I would finally be able to break my bad habit of watching this! Not really though, the UCG keeps me pretty entertained.

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Stef's little visit to the Quinns to try to coerce Robert into signing the papers was probably fairly solid grounds for the Quinns to try to have her immediately removed from the Fosters home for interfering with the case/trying to impinge on Robert's rights and to have their foster license revoked. Foster parents can't just show up at bio parents' homes to ask to adopt- that's a huge no and foster parents know that. Stef as a cop and a longtime foster parent should have seen the potential problem there or I wish they had at least touched on it. 

That scene bugged me and it took me reading this to figure out why, I had this uneasy feeling that she was trying to intimidate them .

 

She wasn't in her uniform or anything, but she's a cop and they know it and I just have this uncomfortable feeling that there's a sort of implied threat in her showing up at their house to talk to them like that. I'm probably reading too much in to things, but it's just a vibe I got.
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I don't know if it would have occurred to me to take Sophia straight to the hospital. I probably would have thought of taking her home, talking to her myself, and then immediately calling around for a shrink to take her to. Maybe even calling one of those hotlines and asking them what to do. Is straight to the hospital really what you're supposed to do?

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If a person has actively made a suicide attempt and stated that they want to die, it would be best to take them to a hospital where they can be admitted and treated immediately rather than trying to find a therapist who may have a waiting list or not be able to see them right away. You don't know if they may make another attempt while waiting to get them help. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/suicide/in-depth/suicide/art-20044707

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I think if the parents had seen her step into traffic like that, they might have been more likely to have felt at a visceral level how serious the situation was. If they had found her mid-overdose, or having hacked into herself to the extent that she was bleeding severely, they would have taken her to the hospital. What she did was extremely dangerous, but they didn't see it, they are still somewhat distrustful of Callie (and seeing her as a source of drama), and Sophia was initially covering up her distress. I am hoping the show deliberately had the parents under-react, to show them as still being in denial and out of touch, and that it will blow up on them that they didn't take it more seriously. Not that I'm hoping Sophia dies, but just that I hope the story is doing it this way to underscore the need not to under-react, and also because it seems in character for both Robert and Jill to be somewhat distracted by appearances, and numb to Sophia's problems.

 

If Callie had said something in front of the cop, I think the cop would have made a point of taking her in. But it's natural for Callie to have an instinct to distrust the police (despite Stef being one), and to want to handle things quietly and outside channels, having had enough disappointments with the legal system already, and having not been believed about other times she testified. She didn't know if Sophia would admit it, or if she denied it whether that would put Callie in the position of being a kid on probation who supposedly just lied to the police.

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