Bringing Up Bates In The Media

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, cereality said:

Yeah I kind of felt bad for her. I mean they expect shitty treatment in this family so NBD but really to make a 15 year old catch a 9-10 am flight to Orlando and a 6 pm flight back and she gets to do NOTHING while she's there except babysit 4-6 kids, while you go out to Sbux, multiple dress shops etc. and she sits home changing your kids' diapers, just seems mean. 

Did they really do that in one day or was that the magic of reality TV?  I know on some other shows some one day adventures were filmed over three days.  That's a lot to accomplish in just a few hours.

[3 is enough]

Josie posted on her stories that she flew back last night with Willow and Addallee.  I guess Kelly was staying longer.

Carlin flew in on Sunday so she was already there when the others arrived.  She may stay longer too.

Also, one of them mentioned that Katie found her dress quickly and they cancelled some other appointments. Since Katie has been in Florida since last week it is possible she had already found it and this was staged for the cameras.

Edited May 4, 2021 by 3 is enough

[emmawoodhouse]

Josie had been working a wedding this weekend, so it was a one day trip for her.

[BitterApple]

Are all these people staying at Alyssa's? If so, damn, poor John. Guy's been working 24/7 for months and can't even enjoy some peace and quiet in his new home.

[3 is enough]

I know Katie was staying there but who knows?  They only have one guest room.  I know I would always get a hotel room instead of inconveniencing someone but the more the merrier seems to be the motto for these folks.

[Spazamanaz]

4 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

I know Katie was staying there but who knows?  They only have one guest room.  I know I would always get a hotel room instead of inconveniencing someone but the more the merrier seems to be the motto for these folks.

The Bates seem notorious for barging in on family members. Especially Kelly.

[MMLEsq]

After their successful collaboration on the “LuLaRich” docuseries, Amazon Studios has greenlit an investigation from the same filmmakers, about the Institute in Basic Life Principles. That fundamentalist organization is associated with the Duggars, the famous reality TV family that has become the subject of scrutiny since it was exposed in 2015 that Josh Duggar had molested his sisters and other kids. Earlier this month, Duggar was convicted of possessing child pornography and faces years in prison.

After Duggar’s crimes were revealed in 2015, TLC canceled “19 Kids and Counting”­ — sort of. The show evolved into the spinoff “Counting On,” which ran for 11 seasons until Josh Duggar was arrested in April of this year. TLC announced in late June that it would “not be producing additional seasons of ‘Counting On,’” in order to “give the Duggar family the opportunity to address their situation privately.”

The untitled docuseries is currently in production, and is being produced by The Cinemart, Story Force and Chick Entertainment, in addition to Amazon Studios. It will premiere on Prime Video late next year or in 2023.

Here’s its logline: “On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

The filmmakers’ investigation into the Institute in Basic Life Principles and the Duggars will also focus on two other large reality TV families: the Plaths, of TLC’s “Welcome to Plathville,” and the Bates, of UpTV’s “Bringing Up Bates.”

 

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/

[JessDVD]

Mr. DVD and I watched and enjoyed, in that sick twisted watching a train wreck in slow motion sort of way, LuLaRich, so we'll be tuning into this one for sure.

[iluvobx]

On 12/27/2021 at 11:37 AM, MMLEsq said:

After their successful collaboration on the “LuLaRich” docuseries, Amazon Studios has greenlit an investigation from the same filmmakers, about the Institute in Basic Life Principles. That fundamentalist organization is associated with the Duggars, the famous reality TV family that has become the subject of scrutiny since it was exposed in 2015 that Josh Duggar had molested his sisters and other kids. Earlier this month, Duggar was convicted of possessing child pornography and faces years in prison.

After Duggar’s crimes were revealed in 2015, TLC canceled “19 Kids and Counting”­ — sort of. The show evolved into the spinoff “Counting On,” which ran for 11 seasons until Josh Duggar was arrested in April of this year. TLC announced in late June that it would “not be producing additional seasons of ‘Counting On,’” in order to “give the Duggar family the opportunity to address their situation privately.”

The untitled docuseries is currently in production, and is being produced by The Cinemart, Story Force and Chick Entertainment, in addition to Amazon Studios. It will premiere on Prime Video late next year or in 2023.

Here’s its logline: “On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

The filmmakers’ investigation into the Institute in Basic Life Principles and the Duggars will also focus on two other large reality TV families: the Plaths, of TLC’s “Welcome to Plathville,” and the Bates, of UpTV’s “Bringing Up Bates.”

 

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/

People tend to forget that Gil Bates is on the Board of Directors for the IBLP.  Some are even reporting that he is actually the HEAD man in IBLP.  Since Josh Duggar's arrest and trial, so much has come out.  Gil Bates is not innocent.  Gil Bates knew what Josh had done to his sisters and Gil Bates helped to keep it covered up.  IBLP is a very misogynistic group that believes that MALES are innocent of everything-and it is always the woman's fault.  Since Josh had affairs, it was Anna's fault because she wasn't giving it to him like she should.  They also preach that Josh is innocent because it was the DEVIL who did those sins!  Look at the Bates, we have thought them different than the Duggars because TLC learned its lesson on HOW to present them.  The Bates girls are in the same position as the Duggar girls.  Not educated (except Michaela).  Oh, did you know that in IBLP, it is taught that you have girls so they will raise any other children you have.  It is not the job of "mommy" to raise them but to be able to do nothing but please her hubby.  Also, all the females are still under the "umbrella" of daddy.  Even though some of the girls have married guys that were not raised in the IBLP cult, they have the "authority" over the girls but if something happens to him, she goes back to the umbrella of the father.  

Since the trial, more and more women that have broke from IBLP are coming forward with the truth of the cult.  The abuses and rapes that they have endured and men like Gil Bates know about it and do nothing about it.  Can't wait on the docuseries. 

[andromeda331]

3 hours ago, iluvobx said:

People tend to forget that Gil Bates is on the Board of Directors for the IBLP.  Some are even reporting that he is actually the HEAD man in IBLP.  Since Josh Duggar's arrest and trial, so much has come out.  Gil Bates is not innocent.  Gil Bates knew what Josh had done to his sisters and Gil Bates helped to keep it covered up.  IBLP is a very misogynistic group that believes that MALES are innocent of everything-and it is always the woman's fault.  Since Josh had affairs, it was Anna's fault because she wasn't giving it to him like she should.  They also preach that Josh is innocent because it was the DEVIL who did those sins!  Look at the Bates, we have thought them different than the Duggars because TLC learned its lesson on HOW to present them.  The Bates girls are in the same position as the Duggar girls.  Not educated (except Michaela).  Oh, did you know that in IBLP, it is taught that you have girls so they will raise any other children you have.  It is not the job of "mommy" to raise them but to be able to do nothing but please her hubby.  Also, all the females are still under the "umbrella" of daddy.  Even though some of the girls have married guys that were not raised in the IBLP cult, they have the "authority" over the girls but if something happens to him, she goes back to the umbrella of the father.  

Since the trial, more and more women that have broke from IBLP are coming forward with the truth of the cult.  The abuses and rapes that they have endured and men like Gil Bates know about it and do nothing about it.  Can't wait on the docuseries. 

Just as he helped cover up for Gothard until he became a liability and helped boot him out. 

[65mickey]

It is being reported on Reddit that BUB has been cancelled and that the new seaon will not air. Seems weird since it has already been filmed. Speculation that there is a scandal brewing, 

 

[65mickey]

14 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by 65mickey

[emmawoodhouse]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CY49nE2MppR/?utm_medium=copy_link

Up's announcement. 

Anticipation of the IBLP documentary? Possible. Blowback from the George Floyd video, ie. losing advertisers? Probably.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CY49nE2MppR/?utm_medium=copy_link

Up's announcement. 

Anticipation of the IBLP documentary? Possible. Blowback from the George Floyd video, ie. losing advertisers? Probably.

Something's up. I wonder when, or if, we'll find out.

[cereality]

Damn the plug got pulled. We all knew it wouldn't be forever as much as Carlin, Whit, Law, Katie etc. started to believe they were SOOOOO important.

This is definitely in response to something - whether George Floyd; Trace/Law at Jan 6 in DC; or the new documentary. It isn't a random - the station is going in a different direction - decision because they were already filming this season; Josie and Katie have posted videos of doing interviews for the season etc.

NOW let's see how much anyone REALLY cares about Bates Sisters Boutique or Josie's barrette co [though I do think she has a good thing going w/ her wedding hair business since that is something for local brides not a product bought by fundie gawkers watching them on TV] or Carlin/Evan's weekly saga. Reality is most/all of the sales/views were coming from fundie/fundie adjacent types who bought a few pieces out of the novelty of having a piece of something from the Bates' family or watched to keep up with what is happening with C&E. I think sales/YouTube views have already been down - bc you buy a few things and then go on to spending money with the millions of other insta influences. Let's see how much people even remember them six mos from now.

Bet C&E are now wishing they had been saving that extra ~$300/wk they were making from YouTube videos given that another kid is coming + they still need to buy a house; but nope it was all about the best electronics and all kinds of other online shopping.

Also wonder if all the kids don't know yet?? They're posting IG videos like normal tonight of grabbing drive thru dinners or vacation next week or a wedding date for Law etc. Though maybe it's more like, we're already celebs, don't act panicked/depressed and ppl will keep following us.

Edited January 19, 2022 by cereality

[crimson23]

realistically, at least Carlin and Alyssa are probably making more money on You Tube and Instagram than they were off the show. With the show gone, they are now free to post the events saved for the show and to have sponsors.  

No reason to watch UPtv anymore. 

[cereality]

Yeah I'm sure they were making money via YT moreso than the show earnings which are split through like 17 different households. Thing is these shows however lame they are give you the platform. People follow you and watch your YTs and buy your junk bc they liked you when they watched you on TV but with the TV show only being in season for a few months, they're curious what you're doing otherwise.

Sure not all the watchers are going to fall off tomorrow but they're going to start dwindling away as 3 or 6 mos from now some people are going to be like - who are these people again, why do I follow them?? There is a LOT of content out there - LOTS of insta and YT influencers to follow and people hardcore follow certain ones for 3-12 mos and then move onto new people unless you can do something to keep them interested. The show was the one "interesting" thing they had. Because let's be honest otherwise Alyssa and Carlin's IG and YT's are -- getting coffee; getting fast food; whining about getting kids out the door to coop; dog issues for Carlin; pregnancy; selling clothes; dressing up their kids to look cute . . . . Guess what there are MILLONS of mommy accounts on IG and YT that have this exact content. With no hook - like a TV show; or doing these mundane things while you live in Paris or whatever - it isn't THAT lucrative. I mean these aren't major celebrities or reality stars on the Bachelor or whatever that people will forever remain interested in - these are a mommy bloggers complaining about daily life.

Time will tell. A/o right now:

Katie: 185k followers on IG; Alyssa: 346k; Carlin: 363k; Josie: 254k; Whit: 343k; BSB: 210k; Michael: 207k; Erin: 395k; Law: 271k; Tiff: 97k; Nathan: 61k; Esther: 59k.

And Law must be LIVID - as this stepped on his wedding date thunder + their wedding website won't go up; newsflash Tiff - who keeps posting non stop tonight promising a website fix - no one cares THAT much?? While Tiff is keeping sweet from her videos she seems like she is FREAKING OUT -- the only "platform" her non talented husband has seems to be disappearing and they can't even drum up business tonight via wedding website. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by cereality

[BitterApple]

I guarantee this is a pre-emptive response to the Floyd comment, Jan. 6 and the IBLP documentary. UP is a small network that can't afford to scare away advertisers. It's not worth keeping a land mine on air when that thirty minutes of programming could tank your whole business.

 

[emmawoodhouse]

WOACB has a source who noted that the roots of the UP network are in the black gospel churches. Many of these people still work in high positions at the network and saw Carlin's video. 

Of course that wasn't the only reason the show got cancelled on such short notice, but it was definitely a factor. 

[3 is enough]

Lawson must be PISSED.  No televised wedding.  No engagement in Italy episode.  
No Katie’s wedding either.  
I don’t have UP.  Did Nathan’s wedding get shown last season or was that a casualty also?

I do wonder if Carlin had caught the offending remark before posting her story whether the executives would have still seen it on the footage that was shot, and if the cancellation would have happened anyways.

[Temperance]

I think there's a bigger scandal or fallout coming. 

If they had announced this cancellation after the season aired or before the filming of a new season, then it could be almost anything including money troubles for the network. But to cancel a show when the show is almost ready to be aired makes no sense unless some sh*t is about to hit the fan.

Canceling the show is leaving money on the table. No corporation does that unless they have a good reason. I doubt it's just an Instagram story. 

 

[emmawoodhouse]

17 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I think there's a bigger scandal or fallout coming. 

If they had announced this cancellation after the season aired or before the filming of a new season, then it could be almost anything including money troubles for the network. But to cancel a show when the show is almost ready to be aired makes no sense unless some sh*t is about to hit the fan.

Canceling the show is leaving money on the table. No corporation does that unless they have a good reason. I doubt it's just an Instagram story. 

 

This is the same scenario we had with 19 Kids in the wake of the Joshgate scandals. TLC also dumped an entire season that they'd actually previewed on air. From what I have heard elsewhere, someone saw a preview for BUB on UP some time on Tuesdsy.

Nathan and Katie's weddings are both casualties of the cancellation, as is the Italy proposal.

Edited January 19, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[GeeGolly]

5 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

This is the same scenario we had with 19 Kids in the wake of the Joshgate scandals. TLC also dumped an entire season that they'd actually previewed on air. From what I have heard elsewhere, someone saw a preview for BUB on UP some time on Tuesdsy.

Nathan and Katie's weddings are both casualties of the cancellation, as is the Italy proposal.

The one difference being the scandal was known first, and the rebranding happened second to that.

[65mickey]

Maybe some of the show's regular sponsors backed away over the terrible George Floyd comment that Carlin posted on her instagram. UPTV being a small network can't afford to keep a show without sponsor money. 

Carlin recently posted that Evan finishes his apprenticeship this year. He will be in a good financial position to support a normal size family as is John, Kelton and Travis. Tori  and Michael are rarely on the show so they probably won't really miss the money. But the Bates boys they better get busy with finding real work or getting a skill that will lead to  good paying jobs.  I guess Gil will have to live off his preacher money. 

[GeeGolly]

56 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Maybe some of the show's regular sponsors backed away over the terrible George Floyd comment that Carlin posted on her instagram. UPTV being a small network can't afford to keep a show without sponsor money. 

Carlin recently posted that Evan finishes his apprenticeship this year. He will be in a good financial position to support a normal size family as is John, Kelton and Travis. Tori  and Michael are rarely on the show so they probably won't really miss the money. But the Bates boys they better get busy with finding real work or getting a skill that will lead to  good paying jobs.  I guess Gil will have to live off his preacher money. 

I don't know, UP kept airing reruns of 7th Heaven after Stephen Collins admitted to CSA, so I'm not sure the Floyd comment matters that much to them. And didn't they film at least one (if not both) weddings after Carlin's post?

[IndianPaintbrush]

10 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

WOACB has a source who noted that the roots of the UP network are in the black gospel churches. Many of these people still work in high positions at the network and saw Carlin's video. 

Of course that wasn't the only reason the show got cancelled on such short notice, but it was definitely a factor. 

Interesting. Some people are wondering why they didn't shut down production immediately after the George Floyd comment, but I'm sure it took some time to reach senior execs.

I still think there could be something we don't know about, but for now it looks like UPTv was just sick of all the Bates' baggage.

[crimson23]

All the Bates boys have been working for Paine Construction, so they have trained skills.  Some of them were down in Florida helping Alyssa with her remodel.  Jackson? was also helping out in Jessa's fixer up.

[65mickey]

The Bates boys may have picked up enough knowledge from Chad to lay flooring and install cabinets but I doubt that they are licensed as contractors and I am not even sure that Chad is a licensed contractor. Evan is finishing a 5 year apprenticeship, Kelton is a licensed plumber who owns his business  and John works for his family's A/C business. All three of these trades require education and a number of years working under master plumbers, electricians etc. What the Bates boys are doing might be bringing in some money but not nearly what the skilled trades pay. I imagine there is some hand ringing today at the Bates compound. 

[Adeejay]

16 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I guarantee this is a pre-emptive response to the Floyd comment, Jan. 6 and the IBLP documentary. UP is a small network that can't afford to scare away advertisers. It's not worth keeping a land mine on air when that thirty minutes of programming could tank your whole business.

I agree.  I believe it was a combination of all the above.  I know I bailed after seeing Lawson and Trace at the "Insurrection."

[sATL]

ok. so what is the inside real tea on the cancellation of the show ? the pandemic ? the relationship with the duggers? low ratings? too many adults now that they have to cut separate checks too? Want to do a adult-spinoff featuring the marrieds ?

Edited January 19, 2022 by sATL

[cereality]

Ultimately the girls will be fine - they've mostly married actual skilled tradesmen; Kelton owns his co and it makes enough money that he'll continue to pay Bobby for his admin job; John likely owns a % of his family's co.; Evan is on his way to being a union electrician by May-June; Trav's family will create a job for him at his college/church. Chad - yeah - he basically is doing odd jobs to put food on the table. He has skills but isn't licensed but even he will be ok bc he hires the brothers WHEN he has big jobs - if/when jobs get tight, he keeps the work for himself AND he and Erin live closest to how they were raised - they can live by stretching a dollar.

Don't get me wrong the girls are/will be aggrieved bc this very likely means they aren't getting Sbux every time they step out of the home; aren't getting fast food 4 nights/wk - and will be expected to budget/shop/cook to save money; aren't getting their nails done weekly; aren't flying to Florida every time they find a $99 ticket. as the show income goes away + the adjacent social media income may fall away as over time YT videos that may have gotten 50k views may eventually get 15k views. But the social media income won't go away in a day - it'll dwindle over time hopefully [sorry but there's no reason E&C whining every week should be that important to anyone and if C wants real income - stop hawking cheap clothes and start a business like Josie offering a skill - like doing hair].

ALL the sons OTOH are effed. Sure Trace/Jackson/Warden/Isiah can lay tile or rip up carpet but they all have champagne tastes on a beer budget. If they want a house like John's or to be able to travel all the time, they need to hit up a trade school and get licensed in something which can take several years + cost tuition money -- money which would've been easier to come up with the show. Same with Z - bet he wishes now he hadn't quit [or get kicked out of] the PD where he had a salary + benefits. Whit's clothes selling business may go the way of social media income - dwindling over time. Sure he has contractor skills and can do foundation work, as well as dry wall but excuse me if I have a crack in my foundation, am I really going to hire a hobbyist or a licensed contractor??

I still have the image of Trace from a ski trip - where he had his first gf with him - totally boasting about MY SKI HOUSE. It was in a pricey town like Aspen, ski in/ski out, and he'd return from skiing and chill in the hot tub daily with mountain views; it's the kind of house that goes for $700-1000/night. It was really big talk from a guy who let's be real when the show goes away [and we all knew it eventually would - just not yesterday] would be vacationing like Chad - driving to a random Fla. beach or TN mountain town off season w/ his 5 kids or a really big trip would be 3 days at Niagara Falls.

I think that's going to be the biggest adjustment for all of them - the non stop jumping on flights down to Fla; over the top courtship asks or engagements where G&K get to jet off to Italy, Utah, Rhode Island, Key West; weddings that aren't fundie weddings with ice cream in the parking lot; constant hair/nails/Sbux/takeout; 2-3 big trips/yr staying in fancy AirBnbs paid for by UP; huge I Love You Day parties also in a rented AirBnb where they buy out the toy store for all the grandkids+ give all the kids/inlaws lavish presents too; the non stop photo shoots [I know they're done by "sweet friends" but you have to pay them something].

Edited January 19, 2022 by cereality

[andromeda331]

16 hours ago, Temperance said:

I think there's a bigger scandal or fallout coming. 

If they had announced this cancellation after the season aired or before the filming of a new season, then it could be almost anything including money troubles for the network. But to cancel a show when the show is almost ready to be aired makes no sense unless some sh*t is about to hit the fan.

Canceling the show is leaving money on the table. No corporation does that unless they have a good reason. I doubt it's just an Instagram story. 

 

So do I. Its way too sudden and their not even going to air the last season they filmed. No network does that unless there's something big. 

[riverblue22]

Gil might have to start climbing those trees again.

 

[emmawoodhouse]

17 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

Gil might have to start climbing those trees again.

 

How about staging a coup to oust the current head of the IBLP? That's gotta pay well. 😃

[3 is enough]

I think Tiffany's family has money so I wouldn't be surprised if they pay for the wedding. 

All of the Bates siblings better start saving their money and looking for seat sales now that UP won't be filming though.

Josie was talking about an upcoming trip to Colorado.  I wonder if that was due to be filmed and is now cancelled?  I guess time will tell.

Edited January 20, 2022 by 3 is enough

[GeeGolly]

Alyssa, Carlin and Josie also have successful influencer "careers", but they're also the ones married to husbands with real jobs.

I think the loss of UP income is going to hurt Gil, Kelly and Lawson the most, followed by the rest of the brothers. Well except maybe Zach, he could go back to being a cop if the boutique fails.

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Alyssa, Carlin and Josie also have successful influencer "careers", but they're also the ones married to husbands with real jobs.

I think the loss of UP income is going to hurt Gil, Kelly and Lawson the most, followed by the rest of the brothers. Well except maybe Zach, he could go back to being a cop if the boutique fails.

Zach may well not be able to be so picky about his work schedule in the future. Recall that the primary reason he publicly gave for quitting his job was that he had to work on Sundays. 

I wonder how long they will run the boutique? The leghumpers can only buy so many cheap, flimsy dresses.

[So unbelievable]

Quick Google search shows Lawson's net worth anywhere from $500k to a million.  If you can believe it.  Who the hell is buying his crap music?  

I thought Zach was supposed to be more involved in the tree business, but never see him doing that, just the boutique.  

Josie has mentioned coming to Colorado next week a few times.  Wonder if that is a whole family trip or just their little crew?  

I agree with what everyone has said.  Those boys can work a drill, but are they really employable to anyone but Chad?  Maybe the dude that was with Jackson was some new business  possibility. Whatever happened to him possibly joining the military?  

Honestly, I don't see them changing their ways too much, but time will tell.  

[cereality]

The Breckinridge trip next week was a family trip - bc Willow was talking about skiing with Jeb last wk and Josie mentioned they were going with her fam. UP did a similar trip to a ski location 1-2 yrs ago to film - so I assume this was the same.

The entire trip could be off if it was booked thru UP. But if booked individually (and later comped by UP or using UP’s corporate discounts), IDK I could see G&K going with the kids that live w them just to put on a - nothing to see here, life is the same - show, even though it’d be a dumb use of $$. Then each married couple would decide whether to go or not - and usually when it’s just G&K and living at home siblings, the only couple that tags along is Carlin/Evan - which I could see them doing for new YT content and bc they haven’t yet accepted that the ride is over.

Bet Z&W are wishing they hadn’t taken on a bigger home that’s an unliveable gut job at the moment + Z may privately be wishing he’d never left his cop/city job.

G is going to reprise the tree biz definitely though not much can be done now given that we’re getting an unusual amount of snow this yr in the south. But come spring guaranteed there will be IG posts from Trace re how #blessed he is to work with the bros 🙄

Have these idiots thought about how they’re getting to Law’s wedding? Are John, Chad and Z really going to buy 5-6 tickets each to Ca?? And have they considered that they aren’t getting a fancy AirBnb via Up to make into their pig sty for a week?? It’ll likely be $99 rooms at a Hampton Inn an hr away or in a sketchy part of town. And yet it’s Law - any sib that opts not to go or goes alone or dumps the kids with inlaws and goes as a couple will be on his $hit list for life as they didn’t show up for HIS day when he showed up for all of them. The only one who could be excused may be Carlin as she will likely have birthed a baby 1-4 wks earlier yet no way her and her fame whore husband are missing out on new YT content.

[crimson23]

15 hours ago, 65mickey said:

The Bates boys may have picked up enough knowledge from Chad to lay flooring and install cabinets but I doubt that they are licensed as contractors and I am not even sure that Chad is a licensed contractor.

There is no comparison to be made..the Bates boys are still teenagers, unlike Evan who is at least 25.  Kelton is 26 and Chad is 34.  Of course the boys aren't licensed. The point was they have workable skills and a possible good future. 

[Temperance]

52 minutes ago, crimson23 said:

There is no comparison to be made..the Bates boys are still teenagers, unlike Evan who is at least 25.  Kelton is 26 and Chad is 34.  Of course the boys aren't licensed. The point was they have workable skills and a possible good future. 

Hopefully they get licensed and since they're unmarried with no kids to support, they'll be okay. 

[GeeGolly]

To me, Lawson is the equivalent of a self published author - he spends tons of money making himself feel like a successful musician. I'm guessing any income he received from the show was spent before it hit his bank account.

I hope Tiffany is okay with her husband mowing lawns, because that's Lawson's only true skill. Well that and posing for pictures. 😁

[65mickey]

Somehow I can't see the Bates boys pursuing a career that requires completing a 4 or 5 year program that involves classes, tests and working under journeymen electricians and plumbers to become licensed in a field that requires skills. If it can't be acquired at Clown college they will blow off more eduction than what they obtained at the Bates school. But who knows maybe this will shake them up. 

[GeeGolly]

I see lifestyle shock setting in for the parents, Lawson and the younger kids. 

Much to the Bates' chagrin, I imagine their feelings and soon to be struggles, will be much the same as drug dealers who were forced to quit their 'trade' due to law enforcement involvement.  

I work as a clinician at large behavioral health agency that serves the inner city in addition to the suburbs. The transition the Bates family will be going through is going to be tough. I've worked with former tough guy dealers, who fall apart, not because they face the possibility of jail, but because they no longer walk around with wads of cash in their pockets and can't add to their sneaker collection. They become depressed and anxious wondering how they can possibly adapt to this new reality of having to live on a legal (and very decreased) income. They struggle with their lost identity and reputation. They struggle with their loss of 'friends'. They struggle with all the changes.

I'm not saying the Bates have lived a life of crime, but if they haven't saved and invested their UP income, their futures will be very similar to the folks I mentioned.

[3 is enough]

 I really don’t think they made that much from UP.  The actual income probably just bumped Gil and Kelly’s standard of living up a notch or two, and I would be surprised if there was even enough to divide among all the married couples.  However, the perks: free travel, accommodations, fun activities, and discounted weddings will be sorely missed. 
Gil is still on the board of IBLP.  I bet THAT pays really well, given how much they take from their members.  The higher-ups in all of those religious organizations always seem to be well compensated, even if their members are struggling.

[BitterApple]

I didn't realize Lawson's wedding was in California. That's going to be an expensive trip for the Websters and Paines. Alyssa will bring all her kids, because she won't miss an opportunity to do a family photo shoot in Tikky-supplied dresses, but Erin and Chad may be a different story. Finley can be a lap child, but if Holland is two, she needs a seat. That would be six plane tickets from Knox to San Diego. Unless Spirit services both airports, they may have to leave some kids at home or drive.

With regards to finances, I think Zach will end up having to go back to work. It seems like the boutique does well, but who knows how long that will last after their biggest promotional platform just went bye-bye. I also think Carlin's interest will dwindle after she gives birth, leaving Whit to carry the majority of the load. I can see the business gradually going by the wayside. 

[riverblue22]

Didn't we hear that Lawson was a decent songwriter?  Maybe he has sold some songs and he can make a future from that when his fans finally realize that his voice sucks.

ETA:  Where will Law and Tiff be living? Maybe Nashville or L.A.?  That will be interesting to see and if it is L.A. will he be another JereME?

Edited January 20, 2022 by riverblue22

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, 3 is enough said:

 I really don’t think they made that much from UP.  The actual income probably just bumped Gil and Kelly’s standard of living up a notch or two, and I would be surprised if there was even enough to divide among all the married couples.  However, the perks: free travel, accommodations, fun activities, and discounted weddings will be sorely missed. 
Gil is still on the board of IBLP.  I bet THAT pays really well, given how much they take from their members.  The higher-ups in all of those religious organizations always seem to be well compensated, even if their members are struggling.

I read somewhere, maybe in the Duggar threads, that IBLP went from bringing in millions of dollars, to barely making ends meet, over the last 10 years or so. Much of their income was from donors, who have declined greatly. I know I'm likely off on the exact figures, but I think their total costs range around a half million and their income is around $300,000 - so running at a deficit. However they did mention some creative bookkeeping, but even those numbers were greatly reduced.

I think at one time higher ups had large salaries, but I think Gil may have come on too late to earn any real money from them.

[ginger90]

I can’t vouch for this site. IBLP tax filings are shown here under Nonprofit Explorer Research Tax-Exempt Organizations

 

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/366108515

[Kiss my mutt]

God giveth and god taketh away, like they say.