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Looks like The Flash has come back down to earth, a bit in demo. The total viewership looks very down. 

oops read that wrong, I though Arrow got a 0.4, getting 0.3 is still a decent start.

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Looks like The Flash has come back down to earth, a bit in demo. The total viewership looks very down. 

oops read that wrong, I though Arrow got a 0.4, getting 0.3 is still a decent start.

the 0.4 is most likely still flash overrun since sometimes the show dont start exactly on 9:00. For Flash its the series low in viewers. I think Flash is getting into 0.4 demo this year. 

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My annual reminder that the CW shows get most of their revenue from post-views (including streaming, international licenses, and DVD/Blu-ray sales) and not live views, so as fun as these ratings discussions are, they aren't the CW's main concern.

As proof, my annual pointing fingers at Dynasty, which as per CBS reports, has once again already pulled a profit in its third season despite airing only one episode. 

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I'm actually surprised. I thought 801 ratings would be higher because of the new time slot and Oliver's Crisis-connected story.

Looks like people who dont watch these shows, or watch some of them,  only care to tune in to the actual crossover,lol. There seem to be a tiny boost though, considering Arrow was getting in the 0,2 territory, later last season. Either its retaining some of the  Flash viewers or people interested in Crisis story are tuning in, is my guess. 

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I think Flash is getting into 0.4 demo this year. 

Yeah, its very likely, it will be a long season. I thought the premiere was good , so I'm surprised they dropped so much in viewership. 

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One Chicago Kills With Deadly Crossover, Arrow Misses the Target And More In This Week’s TV Ratings
Laura Hurley    October 18, 2019
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2482660/one-chicago-kills-with-deadly-crossover-arrow-misses-the-target-and-more-in-this-weeks-tv-ratings

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Arrow was the last of the fall Arrow-verse shows to premiere, with the first episode of its final season airing October 15 at 9 p.m. ET. Personally, I was more curious about Arrow's numbers than any of the other CW superhero shows. On the one hand, the original Arrow-verse show's numbers have been dwindling for years, but this was to be the highly-publicized final season and the Arrow-verse show with the most ties to the upcoming "Crisis on Infinite Earths" mega crossover. Arrow could theoretically get a nostalgia and "Crisis" bump for the Season 8 premiere, right?

Not so much, apparently. It was no surprise that Arrow came in last in its time slot, as this is a CW series we're talking about, but the numbers were unfortunate even by CW standards. With the Season 8 premiere, Arrow won a rating of 0.3 and an audience of 0.87 million. These numbers mark a ratings drop of more than 33% and a viewership drop of nearly 40%.

The Season 8 premiere, which I absolutely adored, was the least-watched Arrow-verse series this week, coming behind The Flash, Supergirl, and Batwoman. It tied with Supergirl and Batwoman in the ratings, but its numbers were particularly troubling due to the fact that this was premiere, and both ratings and viewership usually drop after a show's premiere week. Could Arrow circle the drain even further next week?

Well, at least Arrow wasn't The CW's superhero show with the worst numbers. Black Lightning, which will make its very first Arrow-verse connection in "Crisis," only won a rating of 0.2 and viewership of 0.63 million. I guess this explains why nobody else said "Hell yeah!" this week when I asked if they'd seen the Arrow premiere. Of course, it probably doesn't help that Arrow is up against NBC's This Is Us, CBS' FBI, Fox's Empire, and ABC's mixed-ish in the 9 p.m. ET Tuesday slot.

But still, come on, my fellow Arrow-verse fans! This is the last season!

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FYI, Arrow ratings so far this season...

Arrow: Season Eight Ratings
October 23, 2019
https://tv-show/arrow-season-eight-ratings/

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Air date                     Episode    18-49    demo       Viewers      Viewers
                                                     demo   change    (millions)    change

Tues 10/15/2019        08-01         0.34    -24.44%†     0.842          -41.08%†
Tues 10/22/2019        08-02         0.28    -17.65%      0.773          -8.19%
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†Compared to last season's premiere.


Also, Arrow ratings as compared to other CW shows so far this season...

CW 2019-20 Season Ratings (updated 10/28/19)
https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/cw-2019-20-season-ratings/

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Latest ratings averages, sorted by the 18-49 demographic

CW TV shows 2019-20        18-49    Yr-to-yr    Viewers      Yr-to-yr
                                               demo    change    (millions)    change
1    The Flash                           0.54      -12.02%    1.425           -16.23%
2    Batwoman    *                   0.36                        1.448    
3    Supernatural (ending)       0.33      -20.33%    1.207           -15.91%
4    Riverdale                           0.32      -11.11%     0.934          -11.27%
5    Arrow (ending)               0.31       -8.82%    0.808          -25.64%
6    Supergirl    *                     0.27       -24.29%    1.035           -14.27%
7    Legacies                           0.25       -20.43%     0.820          -18.54%
8    All American                    0.26        18.18%      0.749           12.34%
9    Black Lightning                0.25       -15.56%     0.710          -26.24%
10    Nancy Drew                   0.21                         0.930    
11    Charmed                        0.18       -29.49%     0.704          -17.18%
12    Dynasty                          0.11       -26.67%     0.426          -23.10%

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*Includes fast affiliate ratings so the numbers may adjust once the finals are available.

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First one for last season: 😢

Live+7 Ratings for the week of September 30-October 6 (Batwoman and Supergirl premieres)

Live+7 Ratings for week of October 7-13 (premieres for all other shows besides Arrow)

Live+7 Ratings for the week of October 14-20 (Top 40 Lists)

  • The Flash - 0.97, 2.504 million.
  • Arrow - 0.64, 1.662 million. (#801 - Starling City)
  • Batwoman - 0.62, 2.117 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.58, 1.850 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.58, 1.526 million.
  • Legacies - 0.54, 1.533 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.51, 1.697 million.
  • All American - 0.49, 1.266 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.40, 1.051 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.39, 1.532 million.
  • Charmed - 0.37, 1.225 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.19, 0.646 million.

Live+SD Ratings for comparison:

  • The Flash - 0.50, 1.273 million.
  • Arrow - 0.33, 0.842 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.31, 1.222 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.32, 1.165 million.
  • Legacies - 0.25, 0.828 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.24, 0.799 million. 
  • All American - 0.24, 0.687 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.23, 0.923 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.23, 0.629 million.
  • Charmed - 0.18, 0.739 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.16, 0.801 million. 
  • Dynasty - 0.11, 0.425 million.

Links to ratings reports:

**All information from Programming Insider**

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A particularly interesting chart given the ongoing statements from CBS that Dynasty is one of the most profitable CW shows, and Nancy Drew (also a CBS product) had no problems getting a full series order. 

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I'm curious to see how tonight's episode of Arrow does in the ratings. On the one hand, last week's episode ended on that huge, shocking cliffhanger. On the other hand, ABC is airing a live production of Little Mermaid tonight (from 8:00pm - 10:00pm ET).

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The drop is not Arrow specific. Flash lost 200k viewers and dropped in demo. More likely there was something else airing on another network that took away viewers, or it was the effect of the time change. 

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A certain papp is blaming Mia Smoak for Arrow's drop in ratings, even though The Flash also dropped about the same amount last night (see tables above) - making it more likely than not that the real culprits were ABC's Little Mermaid and Election Day (Nov. 5).

TV Ratings: ‘The Little Mermaid Live’ Makes Big Splash for ABC
By WILL THORNE   November 6, 2019
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/tv-ratings-the-little-mermaid-live-abc-1203395180/

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ABC’s live (or semi-live) musical adaptation of “The Little Mermaid” made a splash in the TV ratings on Tuesday night.

The show scored a 2.6 rating among adults 18-49 and just under 9 million total viewers, solid numbers for a live TV musical. For comparison, Fox’s “Rent” live musical event only drew a 1.4 rating and 3.4 million total viewers back in January, and NBC’s “Jesus Christ Superstar Live” from 2018 drew slightly more viewers at a touch over 9 million, but a smaller rating at a 1.7. Last night’s performance featuring Auli’i Cravalho, Shaggy and Queen Latifah among others was the highest-rated made-for-TV musical on any network in almost four years (since Fox’s “Grease” aired in Jan. 2016).


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The Flash also dropped about the same amount last night (see tables above) - making it more likely than not that the real culprits were ABC's Little Mermaid and Election Day (Nov. 5).

Yeah I agree.

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A certain papp is blaming Mia Smoak for Arrow's drop in ratings, even though The Flash also dropped about the same amount last night

Well, he didn’t end up with paparazzi and autograph hawker as a career because of his smarts. 

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Even if it were storyline related, why would it be Mia specifically as opposed to people in general not liking the cliffhanger, which included all the characters equally? Or could in theory have been because people were bored by Thea or the LOA stuff or the more Diggle brother stuff. Why her specifically? Dislike flowing from fictional mother to fictional daughter?

Not that I think any of those were the reasons but the ones posted above about outside issues. 

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CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of October 21-27 (Top 40 Lists)

  • The Flash - 0.94, 2.453 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.59, 2.135 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.58, 1.528 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.53, 1.784 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.53, 1.936 million.
  • Arrow - 0.51, 1.421 million. (#802 - Welcome To Hong Kong)
  • Legacies - 0.50, 1.473 million.
  • Charmed - 0.43, 1.319 million.
  • All American - 0.43, 1.195 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.37, 1.448 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.35, 0.967 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.20, 0.630 million.

Live+SD Ratings for comparison:

  • The Flash - 0.51, 1.382 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.32, 1.244 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.30, 1.288 million.
  • Arrow - 0.28, 0.774 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.26, 0.867 million.
  • Legacies - 0.23, 0.847 million.
  • All American - 0.23, 0.680 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.22, 0.946 million.
  • Charmed - 0.22, 0.744 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.21, 0.611 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.18, 0.813 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.12, 0.423 million.

Links to ratings reports:

**All information from Programming Insider**

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The CW Announces 2020 Midseason Schedule
Posted by Assassin at November 08, 2019
https://www.spoilertv.com/2019/11/the-cw-announces-2020-midseason-schedule.html 

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DC’S LEGENDS OF TOMORROW officially kicks-off its fifth season on Tuesday, January 21 (9:00-10:00pm ET/PT), following an original episode of ARROW (8:00-9:00pm ET/PT). ARROW will conclude its eighth season with a two-hour event on Tuesday, January 28, beginning with a finale preview (8:00-9:00pm ET/PT) followed by the ARROW series finale (9:00-10:00pm ET/PT).

Supernatural and Arrow Get Series Finale Dates at The CW
By Vlada Gelman / November 8 2019
https://tvline.com/2019/11/08/supernatural-series-finale-airdate-final-episode-season-15/ 

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Supernatural and Arrow‘s final bows have been set at The CW.

The latter comic-book drama will say goodbye first, wrapping up its eighth and final season with a two-hour event on Tuesday, Jan. 28. A finale preview will air at 8/7c, followed by the series ender itself at 9 pm. ....

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CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of October 28-November 3 (Top 40 Lists)

  • The Flash - 0.92, 2.514 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.56, 1.491 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.51, 1.870 million.
  • Arrow - 0.50, 1.354 million (#803 - Leap of Faith).
  • Supergirl - 0.46, 1.587 million.
  • All American - 0.43, 1.199 million. 
  • Charmed - 0.37, 1.239 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.35, 1.364 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.35, 0.991 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.19, 0.629 million.

Live+SD Ratings for comparison:

  • The Flash - 0.52, 1.480 million.
  • Arrow - 0.27, 0.762 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.26, 1.161 million.
  • All American - 0.23, 0.706 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.21, 0.739 million.
  • Charmed - 0.17, 0.666 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.17, 0.524 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.16, 0.783 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.14, 0.688 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.10, 0.353 million.

*Supernatural and Legacies did not air on Thursday, October 31.

Links to ratings reports:

**All information from Programming Insider**

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CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of November 4-10 (Top 40 Lists)

  • The Flash - 0.84, 2.250 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.59, 1.484 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.56, 1.878 million.
  • Legacies - 0.55, 1.526 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.53, 1.873 million.
  • Arrow - 0.49, 1.271 million (#804 - Present Tense).
  • Supergirl - 0.45, 1.583 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.36, 1.201 million.
  • Charmed - 0.33, 1.178 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.17, 0.608 million.

Live+SD Ratings for comparison:

  • The Flash - 0.42, 1.188 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.28, 1.104 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.27, 1.095 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.25, 0.758 million.
  • Legacies - 0.23, 0.787 million.
  • Arrow - 0.23, 0.620 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.19, 0.845 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.14, 0.616 million.
  • Charmed - 0.13, 0.591 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.10, 0.362 million.

*All American and Black Lightning aired reruns on Monday, November 4.

Links to ratings reports:

**All information from Programming Insider**

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Spotted Ratings’ season-to-date rankings, sorted by A18-49

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and by viewers.

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The Arrow-verse Is Up Before Crisis, The Masked Singer Slumps And More In This Week’s TV Ratings
Laura Hurley   December 6, 2019
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2486275/the-arrow-verse-is-up-before-crisis-the-masked-singer-slumps-and-more-in-this-weeks-tv-ratings 

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The superheroes of The CW's Arrow-verse have had some major ups and downs throughout the 2019-2020 TV season so far, and I don't just mean battling bad guys. The ratings have been up and down all season, and even the best numbers haven't been all that great, which was something of a surprise considering the looming end of Arrow and the long-awaited "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover between Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, and Batwoman with a little Black Lightning thrown in.

With "Crisis" kicking off on Sunday, December 8 with Supergirl at 8 p.m. ET, the numbers of this past week could be a sign of how much audiences are actually interested in the crossover so massive that it's not even contained to The CW anymore. Fortunately, all five shows (and Black Lightning, which won't officially join the Arrow-verse until "Crisis") were up or at least even in ratings and/or viewership.
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Finally, The Flash and Arrow on Tuesday night turned in respectable numbers as well, with The Flash in the 8 p.m. ET hour jumping 25% for 0.5 rating and nearly 14% for 1.33 million for an improvement over the trend from last week. As for Arrow, its final episode ever before The Monitor collects on his deal with Oliver held steady with 0.3 rating and got a nearly 6% boost in viewership with an audience of 0.83 million.

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CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of November 18-24 (prior week was a rerun) :

  • The Flash - 0.89, 2.297 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.52, 1.928 million.
  • Legacies - 0.50, 1.504 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.49, 1.372 million.
  • Arrow - 0.49, 1.334 million (#805 - Prochnost).
  • All American - 0.43, 1.161 million.
  • Charmed - 0.36, 1.203 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.36, 1.050 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.33, 1.275 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.22, 0.673 million.

Live+SD Ratings for comparison:

  • The Flash - 0.50, 1.288 million.
  • Legacies - 0.25, 0.862 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.24, 1.139 million.
  • Arrow - 0.24, 0.738 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.22, 0.739 million.
  • All American - 0.21, 0.685 million.
  • Charmed - 0.20, 0.767 million.
  • Black Lightning- 0.19, 0.603 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.18, 0.729 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.13, 0.443 million.

**Batwoman and Supergirl aired reruns on Sunday, November 24**

Links to ratings reports:

**All links from Programming Insider**

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CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of November 25-December 1:

  • The Flash - 0.87, 2.321 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.50, 1.642 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.49, 1.702 million.
  • Arrow - 0.48, 1.409 million (#806 - Reset).
  • All American - 0.45, 1.266 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.39, 1.075 million.

Live+SD Ratings for comparison:

  • The Flash - 0.39, 1.174 million.
  • Batwoman - 0.28, 1.009 million.
  • Arrow - 0.25, 0.786 million.
  • Supergirl - 0.24, 0.871 million.
  • All American - 0.21, 0.681 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.21, 0.649 million.

The CW’s regular lineup did not air on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.

Links to ratings reports:

**All information from Programming Insider**

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CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of December 2-8:

  • Crisis on Infinite Earths Part I (Supergirl) - 1.04, 2.671 million.
  • The Flash - 0.88, 2.310 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.58, 1.797 million.
  • Arrow - 0.55, 1.438 million (#807 - Purgatory).
  • Legacies - 0.54, 1.521 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.50, 1.333 million.
  • All American - 0.43, 1.130 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.41, 1.048 million.
  • Charmed - 0.32, 1.090 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.31, 1.226 million.
  • Crisis Aftermath Part I - 0.30, 0.823 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.19, 0.614 million.

Live+SD Ratings for comparison:

  • Crisis on Infinite Earths Part I (Supergirl) - 0.65, 1.671 million.
  • The Flash - 0.47, 1.316 million.
  • Arrow - 0.30, 0.826 million.
  • Legacies - 0.29, 0.863 million.
  • Supernatural - 0.28, 1.060 million.
  • All American - 0.24, 0.696 million.
  • Crisis Aftermath Part I - 0.24, 0.672 million.
  • Black Lightning - 0.23, 0.596 million.
  • Riverdale - 0.21, 0.687 million.
  • Charmed - 0.16, 0.606 million.
  • Nancy Drew - 0.15, 0.677 million.
  • Dynasty - 0.10, 0.369 million.

Links to ratings reports:

**All information from Programming Insider**

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