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Today,  I went to the farm roadside stand and bought our first sweet corn of the season!  As well as fresh green beans.   Sometimes, in the worst of times, life can be good.  Though what a strange world where even outside I wore a mask and the longtime attendant wore a large plastic face mask. 😑

We don't eat the corn off the cob anymore, but I prefer to saute a shallot in butter, season with salt and pepper and then then add the corn cut off the cob.  Along with the balsamic burgers with fresh basil from my aero garden and cherry tomatoes from a pot from outside our back door,  it was as close to farm to table as possible.  Midsummer at its best.

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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

How’s he feeling?

Normal...which means full of energy as any active kid 12 years old would be. They have a little bit of land and animals. He can go out and ride his dirt bike or build a fort in the woods (in view of the house) when he really feels caged. Other than that he is doing Kahn Academy (check it out. Free quality education) or playing video games. We pray he just doesn’t all of a sudden take a turn for the worse. 

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18 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

That menu is awesome for sure! YUM!  I don't eat corn on the cob, due to my veneers, so, this is perfect.  

Great news to report from my way.  My Covid-19 test was negative! Yaay.  And, my colonoscopy went off without a hitch. (Except for a few attempts to get a vein for my IV, but, that's nothing.) It was really quite pleasant. I got a nice little nap, I am told. I have no memory. The nurse said they gave me hardly any medication!  Prep was not bad either. It was not intense for me, like I've heard from some. My biggest issue was how hungry I was all day. lol  GREAT results, no polyps, so, no return for 10 years!  

On a sad note, my dad lost his sister this week.  We're watching the service online. Daddy's not able to travel there. She had a number of health issues, maintained her mobility, even on oxygen,  had great sense of humor and was ready to go.  She sensed it.  She missed her beloved husband who had gone on before so much.  Asked her children to come visit and within days went peacefully at age 84.  

Yay for your colonoscopy going well. 
 

Im sorry you’ve lost your Aunt. Sounds like she lived a full life. (((Hugs)))

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14 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Oh no I’m so sorry. How’s he feeling? Poor kids. 
 

I just cancelled my Walt Disney World trip for September. When we first went into lockdown I had hope things would be okay, but I’m not going this year. No judgement on anyone that decides to go, but I won’t be doing it. Walt Disney World is my most absolute FAVORITE place in the entire world. I didn’t ask for my money back I just moved my reservation to September 2021. 

I had a trip planned for May, WDW is also my favoritest.  They obviously refunded my money, and offered huge discounts to move the trip to late summer/early fall.  It was painful, but I declined.  This will be the first time in 5 years I haven't made at least one trip to The Happiest Place on Earth.  I'm with you, it just isn't worth it for me.

A friend of mine, also a Disney freak, also an MD, was actually down there the weekend before the park closed in March, one of her kids was in a band competition or something.  They stayed the whole weekend and she said it was terrific, almost no one in the parks, virtually no lines for anything.  None of them got sick, but I'm not so sure I could've done it.

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1 minute ago, doodlebug said:

I had a trip planned for May, WDW is also my favoritest.  They obviously refunded my money, and offered huge discounts to move the trip to late summer/early fall.  It was painful, but I declined.  This will be the first time in 5 years I haven't made at least one trip to The Happiest Place on Earth.  I'm with you, it just isn't worth it for me.

A friend of mine, also a Disney freak, also an MD, was actually down there the weekend before the park closed in March, one of her kids was in a band competition or something.  They stayed the whole weekend and she said it was terrific, almost no one in the parks, virtually no lines for anything.  None of them got sick, but I'm not so sure I could've done it.

For me it’s not worth the money to fly down, stay, with no park hopper, fireworks, full character meals or parades. Add in COVID-19!!! And no. I will wait. I understand the world will be different and 2021 wont be like 2019 but it will be better than now. I had tickets to Mickey’s Not So Scary Halloween party!🥺 

2021 is 50th anniversary so I will likely going twice (September and first week of December).

Of course I respect all of their safety precautions, and I’m not “upset” at them, I’m just staying home. Vacation is a luxury and I am safe and healthy inside. 

When I called the customer service rep to move my September 2020 payment to 2021 I told her “ I know you have a hard job right now and many people haven’t been kind, but I wanted YOU to have a Magical Day. Thank you.
She said “you just made my day!!”🥰

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1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

For me it’s not worth the money to fly down, stay, with no park hopper, fireworks, full character meals or parades. Add in COVID-19!!! And no. I will wait. I understand the world will be different and 2021 wont be like 2019 but it will be better than now. I had tickets to Mickey’s Not So Scary Halloween party!🥺 

2021 is 50th anniversary so I will likely going twice (September and first week of December).

Of course I respect all of their safety precautions, and I’m not “upset” at them, I’m just staying home. Vacation is a luxury and I am safe and healthy inside. 

When I called the customer service rep to move my September 2020 payment to 2021 I told her “ I know you have a hard job right now and many people haven’t been kind, but I wanted YOU to have a Magical Day. Thank you.
She said “you just made my day!!”🥰

The folks who work for Disney could teach anyone a lesson in customer service.  There's a reason why they're a leader in customer satisfaction.  You never talk to anyone, not a reservations clerk, not a custodian who is not polite and friendly.  And, being a geek, I kinda love it when they call me 'Princess'.  Did you know that Disney employees are never allowed to tell a customer, 'I don't know'?  Aside from their extensive training in everything Disney, they are required to find someone who DOES know the answer to any question asked by a guest.

I haven't done the Halloween party, but Mickey's Christmas Party has become a family favorite.  One of my sisters, who also loved Disney, died suddenly a few years back and we were all feeling less than festive at Christmas.  So, I planned a family trip to Disney for all of us including my sister's husband and two kids in December.  11 of us spent 4 days there and it was fabulous.

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@SunnyBeBe I’m sorry to hear about your aunt.  It sounds like she died peacefully and surrounded by loved ones, even if not physically, so I hope you can take some comfort in that.  

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19 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

I haven't done the Halloween party, but Mickey's Christmas Party has become a family favorite. 

I haven’t done a Halloween party yet either. My Mom and I did the Christmas party in 2017 and it was amazing. If they have it in 2021 we will get tickets. 

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We did the Christmas Party one year and it stormed so bad they canceled the parade.  We decided to stick it out since we’d driven eleven hours to get there.  Disney provided a cute little mini parade to announce the cancellation once the rain slowed.  Then the weather cleared enough to see the fireworks and castle lighting.  Then they had the parade too and we had a prime viewing spot right across from the square dance band.  

I rode Space Mountain four times in a row with no wait because most people left due to the weather.  Considering you can access the entire park for just the cost of the Christmas Party ticket, or at least you could back in 2013, it was a great deal. 

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2 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

We did the Christmas Party one year and it stormed so bad they canceled the parade.  We decided to stick it out since we’d driven eleven hours to get there.  Disney provided a cute little mini parade to announce the cancellation once the rain slowed.  Then the weather cleared enough to see the fireworks and castle lighting.  Then they had the parade too and we had a prime viewing spot right across from the square dance band.  

I rode Space Mountain four times in a row with no wait because most people left due to the weather.  Considering you can access the entire park for just the coat of the Christmas Party ticket, or at least you could back in 2013, it was a great deal. 

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Christmas party tickets run 100 bucks and up, depending on the date these days.  In addition, you have to have a valid park ticket for that date, so it is IN ADDITION to regular admission.  Not cheap.

If you like the rides in the Magic Kingdom, the Christmas Party is a great time to have easy access, particularly if you don't watch the first parade (there are 2 and they are both the same, one early and one later in the evening).  A lot of people with young kids clear out after the first parade, so, as the evening wears on, the lines get shorter and shorter, too.  I don't think I've ever waited more than 10 minutes during the Christmas Party to ride anything, even Space Mountain and the 7 Dwarfs Mine Ride which seem to be the most popular rides in the Magic Kingdom.  The party runs from something like 7PM-midnight, so there is a lot of opportunity if you like the rides.

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1 minute ago, doodlebug said:

Christmas party tickets run 100 bucks and up, depending on the date these days.  In addition, you have to have a valid park ticket for that date, so it is IN ADDITION to regular admission.  Not cheap.

I don’t remember if we needed park tickets for that day or not since it was 2013. And it wasn’t $100 but again, that was years ago, and the Sunday before Thanksgiving. I know ticket prices have skyrocketed in the last few years, probably to filter through demographics, so I can’t say it’s a good deal anymore. I’d like to ride Avatar and see the Star Wars stuff, but if we go back to Orlando, I’d rather do Universal. Their roller coasters are much better IMO, although their service is not on par with Disney. 

The next family vacation will probably be another cruise or back to Gatlinburg once we feel it’s safe to travel again.  Who knows when that will be.  I just cannot risk my safety for a little fun.  

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@SunnyBeBe, glad your test came out so well and your procedure was easy for you! So sorry about your aunt. May your beautiful memories bring your family comfort.

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10 hours ago, Love2dance said:

@SunnyBeBe, glad your test came out so well and your procedure was easy for you! So sorry about your aunt. May your beautiful memories bring your family comfort.

I appreciate that. She was a wonderful woman and such an inspiration. She was recruited by the FBI in the 1950s and moved to DC! She left that to have a family and had no regrets. I think it contributed to my career in criminal justice, then law.  She sent me a Christmas card with a very special angel on it. I’ve framed it to put on display. 

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I first started to post this in this Finance thread because I didn't want to bring too much Duggar into this space, so I'm hoping you all don't mind me asking in here.

I have a question. This Ramsey financial guy. Is he legit? I ask because a lifelong friend of mine has been attending Bible studies. The flavor of the studies definitely lean into Fundy. The person leading the group just posted something about Ramsey on FB.

Quite frankly my friend could use some type of happenings and focus in her life, so I've yet to say anything about her Bible studies even though I have some concerns. When I saw the Ramsey post my concern meter moved a notch.

With that limited amount of info, what do you all think?

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In terms of financial advice, Ramsey’s advice is good if you don’t know how to live within your means, have run up a lot of debt, and can’t figure out how to get out of it. He has a five step plan, the most famous of which is to pay down your smallest debt first. Then, using your emotional high that you have paid off a debt, use the money you were paying on the smallest debt to pay down the next smallest. Numbers-wise you should pay down the one with the highest interest. 
 

I stopped listening to him because I was disgusted with some statements I heard him say. One was from a single mother who was unemployed and facing homelessness. He flippantly said childcare is easy to fine and affordable and she just needed to get a job. This was when I was paying $1470/month for my twins in daycare, a number I will remember for my entire life. He told another single mother making $1700/month she couldn’t live on that salary without accruing debt, so she merely needed to find a higher paying job. Easy peasy!

Didn’t someone here work for him briefly? 

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19 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

In terms of financial advice, Ramsey’s advice is good if you don’t know how to live within your means, have run up a lot of debt, and can’t figure out how to get out of it. He has a five step plan, the most famous of which is to pay down your smallest debt first. Then, using your emotional high that you have paid off a debt, use the money you were paying on the smallest debt to pay down the next smallest. Numbers-wise you should pay down the one with the highest interest. 
 

I stopped listening to him because I was disgusted with some statements I heard him say. One was from a single mother who was unemployed and facing homelessness. He flippantly said childcare is easy to fine and affordable and she just needed to get a job. This was when I was paying $1470/month for my twins in daycare, a number I will remember for my entire life. He told another single mother making $1700/month she couldn’t live on that salary without accruing debt, so she merely needed to find a higher paying job. Easy peasy!

Didn’t someone here work for him briefly? 

Is there a connection between Ramsey and Fundies? Or is he a Fundy?

And it sounds like money management for folks with a better than good income. That will always make a financial planner look good.

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2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Is there a connection between Ramsey and Fundies? Or is he a Fundy?

And it sounds like money management for folks with a better than good income. That will always make a financial planner look good.

Yep, he's a fundie.  He is known to use those 'principles' to bully his employees.  For example, when one of his employees contracted COVID early in the pandemic, he refused to close the office, instead telling his employees to suck it up and get to work.

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The woman holding the Bible studies drinks alcohol and wears mainstream clothing. She does have this holier than thou attitude and holds herself in high esteem.

Would any of you have concerns about a friend of yours getting involved with this?

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I wouldn’t. Ramsey’s advice isn’t bad, it just might not be the best for your situation, if that makes sense. But, you gotta start somewhere to know what works for you. In Financial Peace University, you show everyone your finances, and then show how you are using his steps to improve your finances. I would not want anyone in my my business like that, but some people do need that level of accountability.

Google “Dave Ramsey baby steps” and you’ll get an idea of it. 

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We did the 5 step snowball thingy years ago and have never carried credit card debt since. We were so smart, we didn't pay a nickel for Ramsey's advice, lol. We weren't in much debt anyway, but it makes sense to mainain a good credit score and to have money saved and accessible for emergencies. I don't care for his personal beliefs. I've listened to him talk and he's a smug know-it-all, imo. 

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I never followed Dave Ramsey's program but I did read a bit about it, nearly 20 years ago. At that time I did get involved with the "Debt-Proof Living" program of Mary Hunt - http://www.debtproofliving.com/ - and it helped me gain better control (not perfect by any means) of my personal finances. The last time I read any of her stuff, Hunt was a devout Christian, not sure if she's evangelical, don't think she was fundie. For a few years I had a paid membership to the Debt Proof Living website and, don't laugh, but actually made some IRL connections with folks that continue to this day. There was definitely a Christian/conservative atmosphere on the forums but at least back then it wasn't jammed down your throat. I have no clue what it's like today. Hunt was at the time living a mainstream sort of life, though, no fundie Quiverfull sh*t for sure.

IIRC Hunt's system of getting out of debt was less arbitrary than Ramsey's stuff. For instance Ramsey says you  should have an emergency fund of exactly $1000. Hunt IIRC taught people to figure out things like that based on their own circumstances. 

But IMO in this era of conspicuous consumption, so many people don't reach adulthood with an understanding of debt, savings, budgeting, etc., that any fairly sensible system aimed at paying down/off debt and being a good steward of your personal finances, isn't to be scoffed at. Ramsey's obnoxious and I wouldn't pay a dime to follow him but I think you can glean enough of his system from online sources and maybe buying a book, to figure things out for yourself. ETA @BetyBee - I was writing while you were posting, so you've confirmed what I was thinking, and good for you for getting out of debt!

(I sometimes think about how ignorant people can be about their finances, when I'm watching yet another true crime TV show or reading about a murder in the news - and the story involves people who looked prosperous but were over their heads in debt from living beyond their means. I've also idly wondered how Ramsey's "cut your living costs to the bone to pay off your debt and save up for the future" message resonates in some of the megachurches where he probably speaks. Churches which I'm sure lean really hard on their members to tithe generously. Does Ramsey incorporate a 10% "tithing" item into his program? Hmm. .. )

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Dave Ramsey knows how to get people out of debt. I’ve been using his program to pay off my law school debt and it’s working. His podcast and YouTube information is all free.

Everything else about the man and his personal philosophy I’m not going to speak on- but getting people out of debt is something he knows how to do. It’s not a gimmick or a sham. Maybe check out Aja Dang on YouTube- (love her) she paid off her $200k in student loans following him (and there are similar stories). 

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Is there a connection between Ramsey and Fundies? Or is he a Fundy?

And it sounds like money management for folks with a better than good income. That will always make a financial planner look good.

Dave Ramsey is an evangelical Christian (not Fundy). His program does work for low income people. Now he admits that everyone needs a certain amount of income to live so yes some things are an income problem(you can’t cut your expenses so far to need no income), but Budget Girl (YouTuber) paid off her $33k in student loans starting at $26k salary a year moving to to $44k in three years. She was 100% self supporting (her parents are deceased, she had no husband, roommate or live in boyfriend at the time). 
 

The Budget Guys (Instagram) are a gay male couple who follow his program and they are paying of their debt too. (Sorry I didn’t include all the links I’m on my phone) 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

In terms of financial advice, Ramsey’s advice is good if you don’t know how to live within your means, have run up a lot of debt, and can’t figure out how to get out of it. He has a five step plan, the most famous of which is to pay down your smallest debt first. Then, using your emotional high that you have paid off a debt, use the money you were paying on the smallest debt to pay down the next smallest. Numbers-wise you should pay down the one with the highest interest. 
 

I stopped listening to him because I was disgusted with some statements I heard him say. One was from a single mother who was unemployed and facing homelessness. He flippantly said childcare is easy to fine and affordable and she just needed to get a job. This was when I was paying $1470/month for my twins in daycare, a number I will remember for my entire life. He told another single mother making $1700/month she couldn’t live on that salary without accruing debt, so she merely needed to find a higher paying job. Easy peasy!

Didn’t someone here work for him briefly? 

I listened to him for a minute too.  Pair him up with that nutcase Dr. Laura and it is a toxic couple of radio hours.  Dr. laura would have told that single mother to put her kids up for adoption into a two parent home with a stay at home mother, and home school.  Sure.

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Dave Ramsay's basic advice is: pay off your debt and don't borrow money for stuff you can live without.  It's pretty basic, but it does work.  A lot of young kids get out of college owing 10's of thousands in student debt and run right out and buy a new car, furniture and other stuff on credit and then spend their spare time eating out, bar hopping, and going to concerts.  His recommendation is essentially delayed gratification:  if it isn't essential, you don't need it unless you can pay cash.  That, in itself, is great advice.

However, if you listen to his radio show or his other media, that advice is couched with a lot of political baloney that is beside the point.  Take his advice on spending and ignore the rest.

One thing he does recommend that other financial advisors disagree with is to pay off the smallest debts first to get a sense of accomplishment and to motivate paying off the rest.  Most other advisors will tell you to pay off the highest interest debt first no matter what the balance.

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I discovered Ramsey 15 years ago.  This was during a period where, for job reasons, we were living in two different cities with rent in one and mortgage in the other.   Five years, when my husband retired, we were entirely debt free, including cars and house.  Since then we have only financed a couple of cars which we paid off in two years each. All this without any income from me. 

It was amazing to look deeply into spending habits and make tough decisions, but his method does work.

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Thanks for the scoop on Ramsey.

I don't think I was clear about my concern. I was mildly concerned that my friend was hanging with this Bible group. I also know the woman who runs the group. When I saw the Bible study leader had posted about Ramsey, I became more concerned, thinking the Bible group was even more Fundy than I originally thought. The Bible study leader is fine financially, as is my friend, so I'm not concerned about my friend following Ramsey.

Without going into detail, my friend is vulnerable due to a number of reasons and I'd hate to think I stood by and watched her get sucked into a skewed belief system.

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20 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Thanks for the scoop on Ramsey.

I don't think I was clear about my concern. I was mildly concerned that my friend was hanging with this Bible group. I also know the woman who runs the group. When I saw the Bible study leader had posted about Ramsey, I became more concerned, thinking the Bible group was even more Fundy than I originally thought. The Bible study leader is fine financially, as is my friend, so I'm not concerned about my friend following Ramsey.

Without going into detail, my friend is vulnerable due to a number of reasons and I'd hate to think I stood by and watched her get sucked into a skewed belief system.

So you’re concerned about your friend hanging out with these people-not trying to get out of debt. 

Being a Dave Ramsey follower isn’t indicative of anything like being a Bill Gothard follower would be for example. 
 

This is a lonely time for so many, with COVID-19, physical distancing etc. Your concern shows you’re a good friend but maybe just keep an eye out and see if the Bible Study is just that- or something else. 
 

 

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8My friend who lives in Asheville, NC had a sight in her front yard Sat. Three in the tree and mama bear was on the ground. Not in the picture.

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1 minute ago, SunnyBeBe said:

8My friend who lives in Asheville, NC had a sight in her front yard Sat. Three in the tree and mama bear was on the ground. Not in the picture.

Wow!! That would be a sight! Id go back in the house and lock the door. 

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Anyone see recent picture of Martha Stewart in her pool with big lips?  78 yrs old still goin strong.  I don’t know how to transfer pictures.

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My friend lives inside the city on a very well traveled street! It's not too far from Biltmore Estates.  She always keeps her trash closed tight, but, this was a real surprise. 

39 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Wow!! That would be a sight! Id go back in the house and lock the door. 

She stayed inside. Her dog was going crazy.  She regularly walks her dog in her neighborhood.  Other times, brisk walks without the dog.  I might get some bear spray.  Not for the cubs, but, for mama. 

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9 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

My friend lives inside the city on a very well traveled street! It's not too far from Biltmore Estates.  She always keeps her trash closed tight, but, this was a real surprise. 

She stayed inside. Her dog was going crazy.  She regularly walks her dog in her neighborhood.  Other times, brisk walks without the dog.  I might get some bear spray.  Not for the cubs, but, for mama. 

Where’s Poppa Bear?  Lol.

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Ramsey's headquarters are in a wealthy suburb south of Nashville. He recently made the news because a former employee is suing him. She alleges she went to HR to request FMLA paperwork for her pregnancy, and was later fired for being pregnant and not married to her partner. That this action violated his "righteous living" policy. Article didn't say if this policy is discussed/signed off on by employee at the time of employment.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/2020/07/21/ramsey-solutions-lawsuit-caitlin-oconnor-franklin-tn/5482489002/

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12 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

Where’s Poppa Bear?  Lol.

Yeah.  I hadn't thought of that.  The mama was in the yard, but, for some reason, my friend couldn't get her in the picture.  I'm not sure if he she has any of mama.  I'll see.  The papa would be bigger, but, I'm not sure how big.  Black bears aren't as huge as some others like the brown, but, still, they are intimidating.  At least to me. 

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53 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

My friend lives inside the city on a very well traveled street! It's not too far from Biltmore Estates.  She always keeps her trash closed tight, but, this was a real surprise. 

She stayed inside. Her dog was going crazy.  She regularly walks her dog in her neighborhood.  Other times, brisk walks without the dog.  I might get some bear spray.  Not for the cubs, but, for mama. 

My family is originally from WNC and quite a few of them live in the Asheville area now. The outskirts of the western part of the city, on the way to Swannanoa and Black Mountain, has had a horrible bear problem for years. I have quite a few older great aunts and uncles living in that area still (and my great-grandmother lived there before her death). Bears are constantly getting in garbage and in people's yards. 

There was actually a black bear wandering about Fayetteville, AR, last week! That really surprised me. There are certainly bears around here, but it's nowhere as common to see them here as it is in NC.

https://www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/bear-spotted-twice-in-fayetteville-near-mlk-and-fayetteville-public-library/527-191f9082-55ee-45a8-916f-04955d440108

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I've heard that something about covid is making wild animals more prone to enter cities, neighborhoods, etc.  Although, Asheville, NC has always had bears around. My friend is from there and is rather used to it. It's just that she's never seen that many, that close, in the day time. 

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6 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

Where’s Poppa Bear?  Lol.

Going through the garbage with Shrek and Sex Pest.

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If they're lucky, they'll find some half melted ice cream to bring back to the family. 

(Remember that one? I think they were in Florida at the time.)

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1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

If they're lucky, they'll find some half melted ice cream to bring back to the family. 

(Remember that one? I think they were in Florida at the time.)

Ewwww, I'd forgotten about that!

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Just now, Scarlett45 said:

@Marshmallow Mollie why can’t hair salons in NC use blow dryers?

Because you could potentially be blowing coronavirus everywhere. Everyone wears masks, but it’s an extra step of protection.

We did quarancuts, and my husband inexplicably did a terrible job on mine. For the sake of my marriage, I quietly went to great clips to have it fixed.

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7 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I've heard that something about covid is making wild animals more prone to enter cities, neighborhoods, etc.  Although, Asheville, NC has always had bears around. My friend is from there and is rather used to it. It's just that she's never seen that many, that close, in the day time. 

That makes sense. It seems like they're unusually active where my family is too, compared to normal. 

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4 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Because you could potentially be blowing coronavirus everywhere. Everyone wears masks, but it’s an extra step of protection.

We did quarancuts, and my husband inexplicably did a terrible job on mine. For the sake of my marriage, I quietly went to great clips to have it fixed.

Oh. Thank you. 

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12 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

Where’s Poppa Bear?  Lol.

Split. Current whereabouts unknown.

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The Politics Policy is not new, and still applies in the time of Covid-19. Discussion of politicians, political bodies and parties, etc is off-limits here. https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/94644-politics-primetimer-updated-070319/?tab=comments#comment-5402321

 

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