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Thank you everyone.

I still can't believe it really happened. 😟

I need to talk about him.

His name was José but was Flaco(skinny) to his family and friends.

He and I used to sit in his basement and talk while all the extroverts in the family partied loudly upstairs during "his" holiday gatherings.

Even though just the thought of parties made him cringe...he knew his wife loved to host them, so he gladly helped her.

He helped her with all the shopping,cooking, and set-up and and waited until the party was going gangbusters....and then she'd send him downstairs to relax , knowing how stressed he was getting, and she couldn't be happy unless he was happy too.

They were perfect for each other.  OMGosh I wish I could go to her house right now and just hold her and hug her! I can't imagine how's she's feeling 😭

 

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2 hours ago, Jenniferbug said:

My friend had a baby in early March. She ended up having a scheduled induction. The hospital called her 3 days before her induction and told her that their new policy effective January 1st is that patients have to pay 50% of their copay up front. So they were asking for about $2000, up front, 3 days before she was scheduled. She argued with them about not paying and why they didn't tell her at any point in her pregnancy that this policy had changed and that without knowing how labor goes, they can't guarantee what codes will be billed to insurance and their estimated copay was just guesswork. They agreed to let her pay $500 instead which I still think is crummy to spring on someone. Luckily she had it, but some people can't come up with that kind of money quickly, and while I'm sure they wouldn't be turned away, what a rotten stress to put on someone right a procedure. 

Fun fact about that story is that we work for the hospital system. We were all pretty disgusted with our employer that day. 

EMTALA stands for emergency medical treatment and labor act which means a woman in labor cannot be turned away from a hospital that provides that service.  Obviously, if you show up at a hospital that doesn't have an OB unit, they're allowed to tell you to go elsewhere unless delivery is imminent.

I would be surprised if they would really refuse admission for what was presumably a medically indicated delivery.  Of course, I can see how they could try and scare her into thinking that they would.  I guess I would contact my doctor and let him or her know about the strong-arm tactics and maybe ask to speak to the hospital CEO or legal counsel to let them know just how upsetting this is.

That is one of the problems with health insurance with large co-pays, though.  Hospitals generally don't write-off co-pays, they only write off the uninsured.  I have never read the law, but I suspect that it is specifically for the completely uninsured.  I recommend that anyone who is pregnant or otherwise needing semi-elective surgery contact their HR department, find out exactly what their insurance covers and what their share is going to be.  If your friend had checked out her plan, she would've known how much she was going to owe and should've been able to save for it over the length of the pregnancy.  It is not fair to expect a hospital to wait years for payment when you know the debt is coming either.

4 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

Thank you everyone.

I still can't believe it really happened. 😟

I need to talk about him.

His name was José but was Flaco(skinny) to his family and friends.

He and I used to sit in his basement and talk while all the extroverts in the family partied loudly upstairs during "his" holiday gatherings.

Even though just the thought of parties made him cringe...he knew his wife loved to host them, so he gladly helped her.

He helped her with all the shopping,cooking, and set-up and and waited until the party was going gangbusters....and then she'd send him downstairs to relax , knowing how stressed he was getting, and she couldn't be happy unless he was happy too.

They were perfect for each other.  OMGosh I wish I could go to her house right now and just hold her and hug her! I can't imagine how's she's feeling 😭

 

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Chicricket, thanks for sharing a little bit of your nephew with us, he sounds like a great guy.

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5 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

Thank you everyone.

I still can't believe it really happened. 😟

I need to talk about him.

His name was José but was Flaco(skinny) to his family and friends.

He and I used to sit in his basement and talk while all the extroverts in the family partied loudly upstairs during "his" holiday gatherings.

Even though just the thought of parties made him cringe...he knew his wife loved to host them, so he gladly helped her.

He helped her with all the shopping,cooking, and set-up and and waited until the party was going gangbusters....and then she'd send him downstairs to relax , knowing how stressed he was getting, and she couldn't be happy unless he was happy too.

They were perfect for each other.  OMGosh I wish I could go to her house right now and just hold her and hug her! I can't imagine how's she's feeling 😭

 

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He sounded like a real sweetheart. Again, I'm so sorry. 😞 

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17 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

He just died 😭  

Sorry for your loss!

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On 3/29/2020 at 3:55 PM, emma675 said:

beckie, my friend posted this the other night, it's his friend's husband's company:

IMMEDIATE WORK FROM HOME EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY
Titan Technologies is supporting the US Small Business Administration Contact Center, assisting small businesses across the US in registering for the US Government’s COVID Recovery Small Business Loan Program. We are immediately hiring candidates to take calls from home. All candidates must have reliable internet service and computer access at home including microphone access on the computer to be able to support phone calls through your computer interface.

Compensation: $18 per hour and employees may work up to 40 hours in a week.
Start Date: IMMEDIATE START DATES as early as Sunday, March 28th.

All interested candidates should send their name, phone number and email to SBAResumes@titantechnologies.com. Candidates should expect to be contacted immediately.

 

BetyBee, I hope you feel better quickly. Your brother and mom are adults, they can fare just fine without you, you should focus on your health. 

Thanks! Guess I should have specified ones I can do from my phone, as right now my computer is broken and we don't have internet. The only way I have of doing anything online is with my phone. But I'll look up the link. Maybe they have other stuff.

 

Thanks again! Appreciate it!

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55 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

EMTALA stands for emergency medical treatment and labor act which means a woman in labor cannot be turned away from a hospital that provides that service.  Obviously, if you show up at a hospital that doesn't have an OB unit, they're allowed to tell you to go elsewhere unless delivery is imminent.

I would be surprised if they would really refuse admission for what was presumably a medically indicated delivery.  Of course, I can see how they could try and scare her into thinking that they would.  I guess I would contact my doctor and let him or her know about the strong-arm tactics and maybe ask to speak to the hospital CEO or legal counsel to let them know just how upsetting this is.

That is one of the problems with health insurance with large co-pays, though.  Hospitals generally don't write-off co-pays, they only write off the uninsured.  I have never read the law, but I suspect that it is specifically for the completely uninsured.  I recommend that anyone who is pregnant or otherwise needing semi-elective surgery contact their HR department, find out exactly what their insurance covers and what their share is going to be.  If your friend had checked out her plan, she would've known how much she was going to owe and should've been able to save for it over the length of the pregnancy.  It is not fair to expect a hospital to wait years for payment when you know the debt is coming either.

Yeah I don't think they would have refused to admit her, but it was just one thing to stress about that she shouldn't have had to. If the policy changed in January, they had time to send a letter or advise her of that in December, January, or February, not spring it on her 3 days before having a baby. And because of her medical billing background, she knew what to ask, but others wouldn't necessarily and would be even more blind sided than she was. 

I agree it's not right for hospitals to have to wait years for copayments. I've had to refer people to our collections agency in my previous position and it's a yucky feeling, but we are also daily reminded of how little money we bring in as a hospital system and how our jobs depend on getting paid by insurance companies (we write off more and more for contractual every year) and patients so we'd better fight to get that money in the door. With my friend specifically, she had called insurance and had a rough estimate of what her copay would be- they were waiting on their tax return to cover it which wasn't set to arrive till after the baby was born, so being asked for a large sum of money in advance under a new policy that no one thought to clue her in on sooner was poor communication. She even asked if they sent a letter out to inform patients, and they told her no. It all worked out fine so no big deal, but it does seem that more hospitals are asking for payment upfront before procedures. 

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ChiCricket, Jose sounds like an amazing person. I'm so very sorry. It is so sad that you can't mourn with the family at this time. ❤️ 

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10 minutes ago, Jenniferbug said:

Yeah I don't think they would have refused to admit her, but it was just one thing to stress about that she shouldn't have had to. If the policy changed in January, they had time to send a letter or advise her of that in December, January, or February, not spring it on her 3 days before having a baby. And because of her medical billing background, she knew what to ask, but others wouldn't necessarily and would be even more blind sided than she was. 

I agree it's not right for hospitals to have to wait years for copayments. I've had to refer people to our collections agency in my previous position and it's a yucky feeling, but we are also daily reminded of how little money we bring in as a hospital system and how our jobs depend on getting paid by insurance companies (we write off more and more for contractual every year) and patients so we'd better fight to get that money in the door. With my friend specifically, she had called insurance and had a rough estimate of what her copay would be- they were waiting on their tax return to cover it which wasn't set to arrive till after the baby was born, so being asked for a large sum of money in advance under a new policy that no one thought to clue her in on sooner was poor communication. She even asked if they sent a letter out to inform patients, and they told her no. It all worked out fine so no big deal, but it does seem that more hospitals are asking for payment upfront before procedures. 

I’ve been a medical biller for 30 years. These large amounts people owe after hospitalizations, etc. are deductibles not copays. Providers may waive copays if they wish, as long as that doesn’t reduce the total they are paid to under Medicare rates. But most contracts that providers have with insurers forbid them to waive deductibles. 

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@ChiCricket I'm so sorry for your loss and that you cannot gather to properly mourn. So so sorry. Thank you for your post telling us about him. I would have wanted to be in the basement with you guys, too.

@doodlebug I second the thanks for your posts and for the work that you are doing. I emailed my PCP last week to thank her, too.

For all, Serious Eats published a piece about food safety and coronavirus that is very comprehensive and might be useful. Short version, don't stress out. Longer version: https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html

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@ChiCricket, I'm so sorry for your loss.  It sounds like Jose/Flaco was a lovely man.  I can't imagine how hard this loss is for you.

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@ChiCricket I can’t stop thinking of you and your nephew. I feel privileged to know more about him; thank you for sharing with us. Wish I could give you a big hug. I’m very squishy. Be gentle with yourself you n the coming days. 

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Just now, galaxychaser said:

A lot of sirens outside constantly. Same or different where you live?

I live in the middle of nowhere, so sirens are something I don't usually hear. However, on another online discussion forum I'm on, there's a guy from Long Island, and he keeps mentioning how many sirens he hears now. 😞 

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2 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Every 10-15 minutes. I’m frazzled and scared as is. 

I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine what it is like in NYC right now. 😞 The guy on the other discussion board sounds pretty rattled too. We just keep encouraging him to check in with us and let us know he's okay. You too! 

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45 minutes ago, Love2dance said:

That is just crazy, @galaxychaser. What is the matter with people? ☹️😡


 

Right?  It’s not like ships in New York harbor are a singular event. And it’s going to be there a while. 

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5 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

A lot of sirens outside constantly. Same or different where you live?

I have a friend closer to Detroit who lives near a hospital. He says the ambulance sirens wake him up at 6am and continue through the day, definitely more than usual. It makes him sad. 

 I'm further away from Detroit and don't live down the road from a hospital so it's quieter in my area. I do live down the block from the police and fire station though, so I'm not sure if the occasional sirens are covid-19 related or just usual sirens. There don't seem to be more of them, at least. 

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40 minutes ago, McManda said:

I have a friend closer to Detroit who lives near a hospital. He says the ambulance sirens wake him up at 6am and continue through the day, definitely more than usual. It makes him sad. 

 I'm further away from Detroit and don't live down the road from a hospital so it's quieter in my area. I do live down the block from the police and fire station though, so I'm not sure if the occasional sirens are covid-19 related or just usual sirens. There don't seem to be more of them, at least. 

@McManda I’m really glad you have a responsible governor now and hope you and yours stay safe. 

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I just read an article about a Walmart in my state. They have be ordered to use guards and limit the amount of customers in the store because there were complaints of overcrowding.

So many folks are going about their business as usual, with no regard for their own health, or the health of others.

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Seems like most people think that the virus isn't real, they don't have it and won't get it, or its no big deal because other things kill too. And most of those people cry that it's just a government plot to take away our freedom. That's why they do what they want and won't stay home.

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Thank you for sharing @ChiCricket.  What a nice write up from his company. He sounded like a great guy & will be missed by his relatives & his work family (as well as many others.) 

ETA:  Talking about relatives & work families/co-workers reminded me of something funny that came about at my cousin's memorial service years ago.  He played guitar as a hobby & volunteered at our city's aquarium when he retired.   Both were mentioned during the service.  But it seemed from the small talk, his relatives knew he played guitar but didn't know he volunteered at the aquarium and vice versa, his aquarium friends didn't know he played guitar.  

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Responding to @Zella from the Sweet Friend’s thread-

 

I think after this is all said and done Internet is going to be considered a utility and not a luxury. Once upon a time people didn’t have electricity because they couldn’t afford it, and now it’s considered necessary for a dwelling to be inhabitable (same with indoor plumbing).

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Just now, Scarlett45 said:

Responding to @Zella from the Sweet Friend’s thread-

 

I think after this is all said and done Internet is going to be considered a utility and not a luxury. Once upon a time people didn’t have electricity because they couldn’t afford it, and now it’s considered necessary for a dwelling to be inhabitable (same with indoor plumbing).

Maybe in urban areas, but there are large portions of my rural county that simply do not have service because ISPs can't reach them. It's not even a matter of being able to afford it for some of these people. Some businesses are trying to expand service here, but that's easier said than done. Even the large internet providers around here have basically said, "Sorry--we can't help you." 

I'm fortunate to be able to have access to internet, but it's often slow, and I pay a lot for it. But I am fortunate compared to some of my neighbors because they can't get anything. 

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Just now, Zella said:

Maybe in urban areas, but there are large portions of my rural county that simply do not have service because ISPs can't reach them. It's not even a matter of being able to afford it for some of these people. Some businesses are trying to expand service here, but that's easier said than done. Even the large internet providers around here have basically said, "Sorry--we can't help you." 

Well yes but what I’m saying is that the tech will adapt to change that. Not tomorrow but I think this pandemic is going to be the catalyst to get internet service to EVERYONE. Like we get electricity and sewer systems to everyone. 
 

I think internet is going look very different as far as accessibility goes in 5-10yrs. 

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Just now, Scarlett45 said:

Well yes but what I’m saying is that the tech will adapt to change that. Not tomorrow but I think this pandemic is going to be the catalyst to get internet service to EVERYONE. Like we get electricity and sewer systems to everyone. 
 

I think internet is going look very different as far as accessibility goes in 5-10yrs. 

I really hope so! 

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I just read an article about a Walmart in my state. They have be ordered to use guards and limit the amount of customers in the store because there were complaints of overcrowding.

So many folks are going about their business as usual, with no regard for their own health, or the health of others.

My father thinks it is overblown. He's the one going to the grocery store every single night, even if he doesn't need anything. He's been fine all these years not washing his hands, why start now?

I don't think it is going to be the COVID-19 that gets him. I think my sister is actually going to strangle him in his sleep.

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i have a post-op appointment soon and i am thrilled to be getting out of the house. not thrilled to be going to a medical facility but it must be done. surgery happened before all hell broke loose. just to be out and about in my car will be a treat.

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17 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

My father thinks it is overblown. He's the one going to the grocery store every single night, even if he doesn't need anything. He's been fine all these years not washing his hands, why start now?

I don't think it is going to be the COVID-19 that gets him. I think my sister is actually going to strangle him in his sleep.

You don’t know whether to laugh or cry sometimes...

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My cousin in Germany and her friends just go to each other’s apartments to hang out. Yeah I’m like you gonna get sick dummy. But you know she is bored 🙄. At least now she believes the virus is real and deadly.

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28 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

My father thinks it is overblown. He's the one going to the grocery store every single night, even if he doesn't need anything. He's been fine all these years not washing his hands, why start now?

My mom was in the "thinking this is overblown" crowd and went about her usual way of life until i said "remember that envelope you gave me with every detail of your funeral service planned? you aren't going to get any of that if you get Covid and die now. 

now she is staying home. 

sometimes it is just about finding the right motivation

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I was watching Andrew Cuomo's daily briefing today and the story he told about how healthy Chris now has the virus and recently had their elderly mother over to his home was so relatable. My brother just went into my elderly mother's home on Sunday. It wasn't necessary AT ALL.  She claimed they kept their distance, but he shouldn't have gone in and at the least should have been wearing a mask. He's still going to work, though not very much since his hours have been cut. But he came straight from a store. There may be a lot of siblings blaming their siblings for killing their parent(s) before this nightmare is over. 

 

crazy8s, I love your solution with your Mom!

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My house is under a flight path at one of our airports and I realized the other day that it's been a long time since I've heard a plane overhead. It hasn't been this quiet since 9/11. 

I had to leave the house today for the first time in a long time to get groceries (it's very hit or miss with the grocery shopping apps here) and Walmart was a mess. Crowds, people clumping together in aisles, etc. I'm trying to decide if I should call one of our hotlines to report the store or not, it was ridiculous. I got in and out as quickly as I could and then came home, wiped everything down with Clorox wipes, put my clothes in the washing machine, and took a shower. Probably overkill, but I figured better safe than sorry. My mom is a quilter and she and her group have been sewing masks and she's sending me one. 

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2 hours ago, crazy8s said:

My mom was in the "thinking this is overblown" crowd and went about her usual way of life until i said "remember that envelope you gave me with every detail of your funeral service planned? you aren't going to get any of that if you get Covid and die now. 

now she is staying home. 

sometimes it is just about finding the right motivation

The only thing that will stop him is if he is even slightly inconvenienced when going about his routine. They are doing physical distancing at the grocery store, but most people back home are being sensible and there is no line to get in. If there was a line to get in, by golly he would never go near that store again. Ever. That store is too much of a hassle. 

It's like dealing with a toddler who has car keys. My sister will find a way. It's finding something that will even so slightly bother him that he will stop doing it. 

I do lay the blame on my mom for letting him be a man-child though. 40+ years of marriage and she's realizing now she has to remind him to do simple tasks? I've watched it my entire life! *Pikachu shocked face*

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55 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

The only thing that will stop him is if he is even slightly inconvenienced when going about his routine. They are doing physical distancing at the grocery store, but most people back home are being sensible and there is no line to get in. If there was a line to get in, by golly he would never go near that store again. Ever. That store is too much of a hassle. 

It's like dealing with a toddler who has car keys. My sister will find a way. It's finding something that will even so slightly bother him that he will stop doing it. 

I do lay the blame on my mom for letting him be a man-child though. 40+ years of marriage and she's realizing now she has to remind him to do simple tasks? I've watched it my entire life! *Pikachu shocked face*

The elderly do not like their routine disrupted. At ALL. I know this is a combination of decreased physical agility, fewer pleasure receptors in the brain etc, but damn it’s annoying. 
 

My own mother, who’s highly educated and very reasonable about all this had her first bit of aggravation this weekend because she couldn’t order this particular brand of sausages for my sister via Instacart. I know all that is wrapped up in Mother’s Guilt and legit PTSD over my sister’s food tantrums of the past (although it’s been decades since she had one of those), but golly she won’t die if she doesn’t have sausages. 
 

A few hours later my Mom admitted she was being ridiculously grumpy but still. 
 

When they are at their worst I have a Tall Toddler (my sister) and a Tall Kindergardener (my Mom) on my hands. Thank goodness she’s still going to work that gives her purpose. 

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It's so strange to me because their parents lived through the Great Depression and WWII. Both of my parents had grandfathers who served in WWI. You'd think there would be some "Well the generations before me dealt with something of this magnitude..."

If I ever hear complaints about my generation again.

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What really gets to me are people who have symptoms like cough and fever and they continue to go to work, potentially exposing everyone there.  THAT has happened to several places in NC, such as a Raleigh CITY bus driver, County Dept of Human Services offices (maintenance worker), NC Dept of Revenue, an assisted living facility AND a church in Durham County, NC held an event at a hotel in Durham last week!  I'm speechless. So much ignorance. 

I've scheduled my mother to have a virtual consult with her doctor this week.  He called her in an antibiotic for an UTI, she gets them a lot, but, said that he had to see her either in person or facetime this week.  She is refusing to go to their office, so, I hope this works out fine.  I haven't done it before, so it will be a learning experience.  

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  My daughter sent this to our family group
 (she's a former news anchor)
 "I want to let you all know that I have been communicating with my friends in the media who have been asking to tell Flaco's story. 
   One is a very good friend who I trust. (WGN.) 
I passed the info on to Flaco's sister, but I just wanted you all to know in case there is someone else that wants to speak about it.

  I have a friend that asked me if I would try to use my connections to share our family's story because she's really upset seeing people going out and about like there's nothing to worry about. 

   She has cousins that are telling her Grandmother that it's no big deal and that people are making things up. 

  I agree with what she's noticed about people being out and about and not taking precautions. 
   As B___ mentioned last night, customers keep getting close up in L__'s face when asking for his help with something and some still try to shake his hand! 

   Also, I went to Target to pick up a prescription and I saw whole families there shopping like nothing. Not getting groceries, just wandering around the aisles shopping as usual.

    Anyway, with all that being said, I said I would ask you all, but I think it really should be up to M (Flaco's widow) to make that decision...and only so a lot more people can be warned. I just don't want to even ask her right now though...I'm so conflicted😯
  What do you all think...should I ask  her!?" «««--- said to our family, not you guys, btw.

Oh. And my husband just got this LOUD @$$ alert on his phone..he almost jumped out of his skin. (so weird his old clunky flip phone got it and my "smart" phone never did)

 


 

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@ChiCricket I’m sorry to hear about the loss of your nephew. My condolences and purrs from the Mindthinkr kitties. 
 

@SunnyBeBe I had to get surgery. The day of I was told to fork over $4k or it wouldn’t be done. It was for cancer removal although they stated it was elective. They then gave me “We accept checks, one or multiple credits cards, cash etc” speech. I live in the state as you and I have insurance, so it must be a thing here. I have seen how the medical community in our state can be greedy and how insurance companies will look for any out so they don’t have to pay. Sad. 
  
Stay safe and be well everyone. We all matter. 

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9 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

@ChiCricket I’m sorry to hear about the loss of your nephew. My condolences and purrs from the Mindthinkr kitties. 
 

@SunnyBeBe I had to get surgery. The day of I was told to fork over $4k or it wouldn’t be done. It was for cancer removal although they stated it was elective. They then gave me “We accept checks, one or multiple credits cards, cash etc” speech. I live in the state as you and I have insurance, so it must be a thing here. I have seen how the medical community in our state can be greedy and how insurance companies will look for any out so they don’t have to pay. Sad. 
  
Stay safe and be well everyone. We all matter. 

Please accept my condolences too Chicricket.  That kind of loss is profound and heartbreaking. I’m sorry you and your family have to grieve your nephew’s death, under these horrendous circumstances. It’s just too much to endure, imo.  I hope that time will bring you some relief.      I’m not clear on what you are asking in your post above about asking your nephew’s wife about permission......??

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1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

What really gets to me are people who have symptoms like cough and fever and they continue to go to work, potentially exposing everyone there.  THAT has happened to several places in NC, such as a Raleigh CITY bus driver, County Dept of Human Services offices (maintenance worker), NC Dept of Revenue, an assisted living facility AND a church in Durham County, NC held an event at a hotel in Durham last week!  I'm speechless. So much ignorance. 

I've scheduled my mother to have a virtual consult with her doctor this week.  He called her in an antibiotic for an UTI, she gets them a lot, but, said that he had to see her either in person or facetime this week.  She is refusing to go to their office, so, I hope this works out fine.  I haven't done it before, so it will be a learning experience.  

The hardest part is for many, quarantining and self isolating is a luxury. As someone said to me last week, this pandemic really highlights our poorly our system sets people up to fail without a living wage.

There are people who are truly being selfish. You don't need to go to church. If there is a God, he's fine with it. You don't need to go browse the stores or order everything you can off Amazon because you are bored. Yet there are people who are barely living paycheck to paycheck. The way we treat our working class is shameful. We tell them to get a real job but don't offer them another way out.

There are so many people who can't afford to go without work and/or lose their health insurance.

And no one will learn any lessons after this. Universal healthcare will be still a pipe dream and the idea of a living wage for all will be scoffed at. I hope I'm wrong but we seem to be going back into "not muh taxpayer dollars" territory worldwide. 

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ChiCricket, the phone alarm came through to most of Illinois, from what I'm hearing. 

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1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I’m not clear on what you are asking in your post above about asking your nephew’s wife about permission......??

She wanted to know if my nephew's wife (Flaco's widow) would be ok with people in the family talking with the news media (on camera) about him. She didn't want to cause her any more pain, but also felt that it could help inform people that it's something to take seriously.

Ps..we are worried about our own daughter, who also works at the airport, and was told was not allowed to wear a mask on the clock, nor was given any hand sanitizer (and can't find any to buy.)   She just happened to have these last couple of weeks off for her kid's spring break, but she has to go back SOON. 😟

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26 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

She wanted to know if my nephew's wife (Flaco's widow) would be ok with people in the family talking with the news media (on camera) about him. She didn't want to cause her any more pain, but also felt that it could help inform people that it's something to take seriously.

Ps..we are worried about our own daughter, who also works at the airport, and was told was not allowed to wear a mask on the clock, nor was given any hand sanitizer (and can't find any to buy.)   She just happened to have these last couple of weeks off for her kid's spring break, but she has to go back SOON. 😟

I rather be unemployed than get sick/die. Just my 2 cents.

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2 hours ago, kaleidoscope said:

ChiCricket, the phone alarm came through to most of Illinois, from what I'm hearing. 

I got it too. Freaked me out! It was a call for health care volunteers to fight COVID-19, in case anyone is wondering! 

All this talk about the choices people are making is really hitting home for people everywhere. This is all so painful. My family members don't agree on levels of safety. We're working through it. What some people think is safe feels just the opposite to others. The guidelines are clear, but people seem to interpret them differently. 

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2 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

The hardest part is for many, quarantining and self isolating is a luxury. As someone said to me last week, this pandemic really highlights our poorly our system sets people up to fail without a living wage.

There are people who are truly being selfish. You don't need to go to church. If there is a God, he's fine with it. You don't need to go browse the stores or order everything you can off Amazon because you are bored. Yet there are people who are barely living paycheck to paycheck. The way we treat our working class is shameful. We tell them to get a real job but don't offer them another way out.

There are so many people who can't afford to go without work and/or lose their health insurance.

And no one will learn any lessons after this. Universal healthcare will be still a pipe dream and the idea of a living wage for all will be scoffed at. I hope I'm wrong but we seem to be going back into "not muh taxpayer dollars" territory worldwide. 

Shameful.

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