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4 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Worldwide pandemic of COVID-19, and yet I haven’t heard of any cases in Russia...things that make you go hmmmm 

It's there and has been for weeks. It's just not being reported over here. And it wouldn't surprise me if the Russians were possibly underreporting to save face in much the same way that I'm sure whatever went down in China was underreported. 

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Gov Baker just closed school for 3 weeks. And delivery only for restaurants. No groups over 25. And an hour later 14 year old daughter asks to see her friend this week. It's called social isolation. The typical teenage sigh, Mooooom, and then stomp up the stairs. 

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I hope anyone who has family in nursing homes is able to teach them how to use FaceTime on the phone. It's a reminder to me to try and keep up with technology in case I'm isolated. I hate facetime as I hate the way I look on screen (or pictures), but I haven't been able to see my 2.5 year old granddaughter so I'm giving it a try this week.

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It's so funny, because this entire week parents in my city were bitching on FB about schools not being closed and the district not taking children's health seriously. So today, the governor announces the closure and everyone's complaining about not having childcare and making up days during the summer. I'm not always a fan of how our local government operates, but sometimes they can't win no matter what they do. 

 

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44 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

My journalist daughter just posted this on Facebook (and let me tell you she never, and I mean NEVER, gets publicly "political" in any way, shape, or form..ever...plus, they are very, very conservative)

“EVERYTHING WE DO BEFORE A PANDEMIC WILL SEEM ALARMIST. EVERYTHING WE DO AFTER WILL SEEM INADEQUATE”
                                            --Michael Leavitt

That quote really got to me today. I know there is a lot of information coming out about COVID-19 and I have not posted too much about this, because I didn't want to add to the panic or confusion.

But the fact of the matter is that I do live with an ICU  Hospitalist physician who is also a Senior Vice President of Hospital Medicine for a Hospital Staffing company which manages thousands of doctors around the country.

Plus, I am a trained broadcast journalist who tries very hard to fact check everything I share. With that in mind, I ask you to weigh what I am about to say with at least slightly higher consideration than the average internet meme going around. 

Based on days of analysis by my beloved, who gets multiple, insider-only, medical briefings a day, here's my bottom line request:

STAY HOME!!  Save lives. As much as you are itching to get out, make the commitment to stay away from people that reside outside your home as much as possible. And if you absolutely must see others, stay at least 6 feet away from each other at all times 

A few days ago I wouldn't have said this. I even went to the grocery store and the laundromat. But it seems to me that it is just not worth the risk now. 

Here's an article my husband, Dr. ____ ______ shared with me today. It's the best article I've seen making the case for social distancing. It may drive you crazy to stay home, in close quarters with your family, but the alternative will undoubtedly cost lives. 

**stepping off soapbox now**

I hope we can flatten the curve enough to manage what is about to hit us. Praying that you and your beloved family and friends stay healthy and safe during these trying times.

https://www.howardluksmd.com/sports-medicine/covid-19-update-3-14-2020-concerned-physicians-unite/

(I hope I'm not going too far in sharing this....

I'm just worried about everyone.««« this last part is from me, "Chi" and not my daughter,btw.)❤

Yup!!  We have a supermarket two blocks away.  We get the morning newspaper there.  I have finally convinced my 77 year old husband that the newspaper is now a want rather than a need.  Despite no nearby cases ..... yet.  

 

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7 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

It's so funny, because this entire week parents in my city were bitching on FB about schools not being closed and the district not taking children's health seriously. So today, the governor announces the closure and everyone's complaining about not having childcare and making up days during the summer. I'm not always a fan of how our local government operates, but sometimes they can't win no matter what they do. 

 

Our library has suspended programming, and we're probably going to be shut down as soon as we get the okay. Cue bitching from both sides. 

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Mayor de Blasio announced earlier this evening that the NYC schools will be closed until ‘at least’ 4/20.

Staff reports on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday this week to plan logistics for at home learning and meal distribution.  
 

 

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1 hour ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I just spoke with a friend who's daughter is a prison guard here in Texas. No visitors and when she goes to work tomorrow she stays. They have a separate section where she can sleep. How long this will last I do not know.

I have a relative in prison in far away state and I'm very concerned about her welfare.  Thankfully, she's a healthy person. I am of course, concerned for people everywhere.

It struck me today when Governor Pritzker closed bars and restaurants (except for carryout) in my state, that I wasn't the least bit shocked.  We're getting used to this unprecedented type of news. I'm all for social distancing and closing whatever we have to in order to save lives. I really hope and pray that all of these efforts keep the virus from compounding the way it most certainly would without these precautions.  Every day we learn more.  Mr. BetyBee and I are planning to stay home all week. We do go for walks around the neighborhood.

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My company has still not issued a work from home order but my boss has. Our department handles all communications for our company (and we're running 24/7 trying to keep up right now) so if one of us gets sick, we're screwed. So after tomorrow, I'm working from home. It should be a fun week, PMS, coronavirus, and social distancing, woohoo!!

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1 minute ago, emma675 said:

My company has still not issued a work from home order but my boss has. Our department handles all communications for our company (and we're running 24/7 trying to keep up right now) so if one of us gets sick, we're screwed. So after tomorrow, I'm working from home. It should be a fun week, PMS, coronavirus, and social distancing, woohoo!!

chocolate..lots and lots of chocolate. 😁

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50 minutes ago, Zella said:

Our library has suspended programming, and we're probably going to be shut down as soon as we get the okay. Cue bitching from both sides. 

Our library has closed for at least the next 2 weeks and we can't even drop off our books. We switched to no fines a while ago and I tend to hold onto books a little longer. Maybe I'll actually get them finished by the time they're open again. 

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1 minute ago, realityfan26 said:

Our library has closed for at least the next 2 weeks and we can't even drop off our books. We switched to no fines a while ago and I tend to hold onto books a little longer. Maybe I'll actually get them finished by the time they're open again. 

I really have no clue why we are delaying. The schools have closed, and usually we close when they do. My understanding is our system director wants to close, but the county and/or library board has to sign off on it. I'm hoping they make that decision tomorrow, and we close. 

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3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

 

I have to get some paperwork signed for my business. Trying to figure the safest way to do it. Thinking of meeting in a county with no confirmed cases.  I don’t mind driving a hundred miles extra to avoid infected counties. I don’t intend to go to my office, as it’s in the highest case county. 
 

I have decided to stay calm though. I hope for the best, but I have peace regardless.

I am not an infectious disease specialist, but I don't think it is necessary for you to drive outside of your area to get the signatures.  I presume you need a notary?  If so, I would go wherever you would usually go, but be there right when the place/bank opens in the morning.  Have everything in order and ready to go when you get there so you don't have to spend any extra time searching through the pages .  Bring your own pen, keep it with you and use it to sign your parts of the paperwork.  The notary can find their own pen. Bring hand sanitizer and use it as soon as you leave or, better yet, stop in the rest room and lather up with soap and water.  The notary should be perfectly capable of watching you sign your parts from 3 feet away and then you step back and do the same.  Bring a clean folder or envelope with you in a tote or briefcase and slip the paperwork in there as soon as you're done.  If the things need mailed or faxed or scanned, you could certainly ask the notary to do it for you before you leave so you don't have to handle it again.  Or, take it all home, wait about 10 days and then you can handle it all you want.

All of this is if you want to be super duper extra careful.  Not everyone would feel the need to do all this, but everyone should use their own pen, keep 3 feet between you and others and wash your hands ASAP afterwards.  If there is someone you've worked with before, you could always call and see if there is some way he/she could come to you if you are particularly at risk.

Just because the next county doesn't have any positive tests yet does not mean there are no cases there or that it is any safer for you.  Go to places you're familiar with and work with people you know as much as possible.

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Guess I should do all my laundry tomorrow... Have a feeling everything will close.  2020 what a year.


 

 

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5 hours ago, Scout Finch said:

I had hernia surgery on March 4th, at a hospital that had our state's first coronavirus case in quarantine there at the same time. I was there for three days and have had one visit since for a followup appointment. It's sure worked out time-wise for me to already have had to stay home for a few weeks for recovery. It's suddenly a different world out there!

I can't find specifics for my situation. I have only left the house for a total of two hours since coming home on March 7th. I have things delivered but there's no direct contact with delivery people. Since I live alone and am currently not having daily contact outside my apartment, do I still need to wash my hands all the time and not touch my face? Or sanitize things in my apartment, which is already clean overall? The home health nurse is the only person who comes inside.

I actually was recently in Italy--I live in the U.S.--but that was back in mid-January so I've been cleared by medical staff as being well past the incubation period.

Remember the virus can live on surfaces anywhere from a few minutes to more than a week.  So, anything that is delivered, including your mail, containers and bags from food deliveries, and paperwork and supplies left by the nurse are potentially contaminated.  Use hand sanitizer after handling those things.  

You are not at risk for having been in the hospital at the same time as the Corona virus patient.  Even if you were, the incubation period is two weeks, which would be up in a couple of days.

So, even though you don't have the same risks as someone who is going out and interacting with the general public, you still need to be a bit careful and nobody would fault you for washing your hands or wiping down the countertops with antibacterial wipes more often than usual.  I live alone, and, even this weekend where I have been home except for a couple hours spent at the grocery store and church and my only visitor has been my sister; I've taken to using Clorox wipes on the ktichen counter twice a day along with washing my hands more diligently and more often.

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On 3/14/2020 at 8:47 AM, EVS said:

This is insane. We can’t find toilet paper anywhere. We had ordered some online last week that was supposed to show up yesterday so we didn’t pick up any extra when it was available in a few stores. Now our online order is delayed at least a week. My husband went to several stores this morning but they are all out. We only have a few rolls left at home. Having cancer, I don’t want him to keep exposing himself to crowds trying to find it and then bringing germs home to me. I’m sure we can get some from friends to get us through but this is still crazy. 

I've always been a toilet paper hoarder.  For many years, I have to have 7 jumbo packs stacked in my garage.  I stock up at Target when it's on sale, plus they offer gift cards.   

I still added two more huge packs to my stash.

A week and a half ago, we went to Home Depot and bought 6 - 6 gallon food safe buckets. Then we went to WinCo which sells food in 25 lb bags.  We bought one bag of pinto beans, one of red beans, one of split peas, one of brown rice, one of white rice, and one of rolled oats.

We also bought many cans of tuna, lots of pasta and canned goods, bleach, white vinegar (there haven't been Clorox disinfectant wipes and purell in two weeks). We will make do with lots of soap and water, bleach and vinegar for disinfecting.

We also bought lots of spices and dehydrated onions and garlic to season all those beans!

This is for three adults.  We live 30 minutes from Kirkland, Washington

Schools and colleges are all closed and all King County/Seattle libraries.

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On 3/14/2020 at 4:15 PM, ChiCricket said:

Just do like the people in Puerto Rico do, and throw all paper including toilet paper in a covered trash container while you're using tissue.

I think that started because their pipes can't handle even toilet paper (at least that's the case in the boonies where my husband's family lives.)

 It took me awhile to get used to , but I would have been mortified if I would have been the one to break the plumbing!

Last night, we sat and watched endless YouTubes on What To Do When The Toilet Paper Runs Out. Needless to say, we were in hysterics! Oh my!  I hope it doesn't come to that!

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6 minutes ago, louannems said:

Last night, we sat and watched endless YouTubes on What To Do When The Toilet Paper Runs Out. Needless to say, we were in hysterics! Oh my!  I hope it doesn't come to that!

I guess what people say is correct  - you can find anything on YouTube. 

Thanks for the laugh!

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7 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

Illinois governor just ordered all restaurants and bars closed starting tomorrow after the close of the business day (not sure about take out.)

Our governor just did the same .  No restaurants, bars, gyms, schools, colleges, libraries, dance halls.  Washington now has 769 confirmed cases and 42 deaths.

I just came back from Target, which I live right behind.  We only needed milk but it was wiped out.  I did get a half gallon of lactose free milk, though.

 

The entire aisle of tp, paper towels, tissues, bleach, cold meds, rubbing alcohol, and of course, hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes were bare.  Completely bare.

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I keep waiting for the emails from the small businesses I go to saying they are shutting down until things cool off. 

I know social distancing and all that but it is going to be mighty lonely without them. I'm "allowed" into the office as long as no one else is there so I'm going to try and keep that routine going.

It's a bit bittersweet realizing I won't see the Lad for a while either.

The scariest part to me is that my parents are far away. I am already looking into car rentals if flights are hard to come by. I couldn't live with myself if they got severely ill and I wasn't there. 

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the brothers who were hoarding the hand sanitizer are done, they decided to 'donate it". all

best line from the article

"Agents from the prosecutor’s office were then filmed by WRCB on Sunday as they removed boxes from the brothers, with reporter Hunter Hoagland dryly suggesting they were there “facilitating with the donation.”"

https://nypost.com/2020/03/15/tennessee-stops-hoarding-bros-from-selling-almost-18k-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer/

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10 hours ago, Zella said:

Our library has suspended programming, and we're probably going to be shut down as soon as we get the okay. Cue bitching from both sides. 

My daughter is a librarian just across the border from here in Rhode Island. They don't want to close, but are having a staff day to work it out today, so I am going to go watch my granddaughter as her daycare is closed. Hopefully the library will decide to close so my daughter won't have to call out of work I don't mind watching my granddaughter in the interim, but I know she won't want me to do it everyday. This is going to be really rough on people whose workplaces will have to stay open if they have school or daycare-aged kids. I can't imagine. 

We'll be self-isolating as much as possible. but as of right now, my daughter and son-in-law's jobs are still requiring them to be there, so I'll be available whenever they need me to watch her. If everyone follows protocol insofar as hand-washing, etc, I guess we should be OK. 

I was listening to this podcast by Sam Harris on the pandemic last night and found it clear and interesting. I know he tends to be a bit controversial in some circles, but I find he often makes sense. It's an interview with the doctor who heads up the infectious diseases section of Johns Hopkins. https://samharris.org/podcasts/191-early-thoughts-pandemic/

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My daughter is now looking into still  getting married on the original date the beginning of April, but moving the reception to the end of May. Their honeymoon was to be the middle of May, but it involves travel, and a music festival in Florida. I feel really awful for them.

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It suddenly hit me during the night that if Amazon is late with my delivery next week, I will not have cat food.  This would not be good.  So I got up this morning and was at the market just as they opened at 6:00AM (in the dark, in the rain).  There were only about 6 shoppers the whole time I was there.  I bought some cat food--not what they usually eat, but cat food.  I didn't need too much for home as I am pretty well stocked, but I did pick up some cans of soup, cheese, ice cream, and wine.  There was very little meat, almost no eggs, and not much pasta left on the shelves. The man checking out ahead of me was asking about toilet paper, and the checker said it is hard to keep stocked.

I did order cat food from Chewy, too, but they said their deliveries were taking longer than usual and they couldn't say when it would come.  Amazon orders are taking longer.  If I end up with too much cat food I will donate it to the shelter.  I was going to order groceries from Walmart, but they did not have any delivery slots available.  I checked Safeway (Albertsons), and there were no delivery dates available for over a week.

I am going to stay home and start organizing closets and drawers.  We'll see how far I get.

 

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5 hours ago, crazy8s said:

the brothers who were hoarding the hand sanitizer are done, they decided to 'donate it". all

best line from the article

"Agents from the prosecutor’s office were then filmed by WRCB on Sunday as they removed boxes from the brothers, with reporter Hunter Hoagland dryly suggesting they were there “facilitating with the donation.”"

https://nypost.com/2020/03/15/tennessee-stops-hoarding-bros-from-selling-almost-18k-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer/

Yes!

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4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

My daughter is now looking into still  getting married on the original date the beginning of April, but moving the reception to the end of May. Their honeymoon was to be the middle of May, but it involves travel, and a music festival in Florida. I feel really awful for them.

That has to be disappointing.  At least they are making it work.  I hope it does, so that at least their honeymoon can happen. 

  I'm trying to stay positive about plans and events.  I have a wedding invitation for mid May.  The bride is a good friend. She has said to use our own judgment as to whether we should attend.  I'm waiting to see how things go. It's at a private home, outside on the beach in NC.  Probably 50 people would be in attendance. I would love to attend, but,  I may just sent a nice gift. 

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20 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

    Does anyone else feel like they're living in the Twilight Zone?

The weirdest feeling for me is wanting to GO somewhere and DO something...and that is  usually the last thing on my mind. I'm usually such a homebody.

 

You are me...normally, a week at home? Fine. Preferable, even.

Now that I can’t leave? 😱

We humans are one contrary species!

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1 hour ago, Oldernowiser said:

You are me...normally, a week at home? Fine. Preferable, even.

Now that I can’t leave? 😱

We humans are one contrary species!

Me three. I think I'll go out for a walk. Maybe that will help. I am fortunate to be working at home with flexible hours. Trying to focus on the positive.

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Pennsylvania:

 

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Gov. Tom Wolf ordered all non-essential stores, restaurants, bars, and programs for seniors in Pennsylvania to close for two weeks over coronavirus concerns.

Essential services, like grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations, will remain open. Trash collection will continue and and medical facilities will remain open, Wolf said.

Restaurants will be takeout only.

Wolf said to make contact with as few people as possible. The fewer contacts you make, the less likely you will spread the virus to others, Wolf said.

The Pennsylvania Department of Health announced 13 new positive cases of coronavirus as of midday Monday.

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  My sister, works in a men's...um..not a homeless shelter..but a Christian help center for recovering addicts who were homeless (I'm blanking on the right terminology for the place.) They give them a place to live, and in-house (Christian) counseling as long as they stay sober. My sister did all the intake for all the men, gave them their monthly allowances, etc.

   The CEO of that company just called her into his office, and today she was MADE to go home, until further notice (with pay!) because he's worried about her due to her "advanced" age. (75yo)

HALLELUJAH! 😁

   Her even older husband is beside himself with joy..he's been pushing for her to retire ever since they got married 2 years ago (they met on E-Harmony.) This is her SEVENTH husband, btw😂... but I think this one will stick. They both love God, animals, and FISHING, and he's already getting their boat ready to go.😊

 

 

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They've just issued a shelter in place starting at midnight for most of the Bay Area. Only essential services like grocery stores and gas stations will be open. They expect this to last through 4/7.

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This is a crazy idea, but how about the government trains select restaurants/cafes how to do serious hygiene, and pays restaurants, cafes etc to cook/prepare heavily subsidized meals that would be delivered hygienically to urban & suburban households. It would help keep these places in business, and it would stop these supermarket shortages. And it would remind people on a daily basis that civilisation has not ended (except on Mondays).

I think toilet paper and soap will end up requiring ration tickets or something. 
 

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I'm now working from home for the foreseeable future, which should be interesting. I left work with one of my giant monitors, my laptop, and a docking station, and totally left behind my mouse and keyboard. Ugh. I may have to go in Wednesday afternoon for a meeting and I'm swiping what's left at my desk. It's not technically kosher to take anything but your laptop home, but my boss okayed it since one of our comms programs is virtually impossible to use on a tiny laptop screen. I just walked out of my building acting like I owned all of the equipment I was toting, lol. 

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5 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

The weirdest feeling for me is wanting to GO somewhere and DO something...and that is  usually the last thing on my mind. I'm usually such a homebody.

 

I know exactly what you mean. I am normally completely happy to stay home and read and cook and play with cats but now we're under a shelter-in-place order the only thing I want to do is go out to lunch. 

Dad told me they enforced social distancing at his care facility at meals today. Only two people are allowed per table and they have to sit 6 feet away. They don't have enough space for everyone to eat together like that so I'm not sure what they'll do. He said the tables were all too crowded before, anyway, and he's happy for some personal space. At least he's not grumpy. Yet.

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59 minutes ago, kokapetl said:

This is a crazy idea, but how about the government trains select restaurants/cafes how to do serious hygiene, and pays restaurants, cafes etc to cook/prepare heavily subsidized meals that would be delivered hygienically to urban & suburban households. It would help keep these places in business, and it would stop these supermarket shortages. And it would remind people on a daily basis that civilisation has not ended (except on Mondays).

I think toilet paper and soap will end up requiring ration tickets or something. 
 

Stop your logical thinking! It’s frowned upon SEVERELY by the current PTB. 

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They started delivering meals to the apartments of the residents at my MIL's senior facility this morning. All activities were canceled last week, except for the gym and the little gift shop. Those are closed as of now. 

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1 hour ago, kokapetl said:

I think toilet paper and soap will end up requiring ration tickets or something. 
 

or we might all be back to that crazy Sheryl Crow joke about 1 square of TP per visit to the rest room.

I had forgotten all about that craziness, but found myself thinking of it today

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1 hour ago, kokapetl said:

This is a crazy idea, but how about the government trains select restaurants/cafes how to do serious hygiene, and pays restaurants, cafes etc to cook/prepare heavily subsidized meals that would be delivered hygienically to urban & suburban households. It would help keep these places in business, and it would stop these supermarket shortages. And it would remind people on a daily basis that civilisation has not ended (except on Mondays).

I think toilet paper and soap will end up requiring ration tickets or something. 
 

Nah.  Near my home are two different large paper mills, which produce either Charmin and Bounty or Scott and Northern products.  They are running at full capacity. Ready to serve our needs.  Maybe we should build a wall around WI!  And protect our cheese, canned veggies and frozen pizza as well from marauding Aussies.  🤔

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I'm worried about my son, still in Pensacola. He finished his training for air traffic control in the Marine flight school down there, and was slated to go to a new command in Yuma, Arizona, but due to a couple of things going on, Corona virus among them, he is stuck there for probably the foreseeable future - they are trying to rearrange things all over the place, and he won't be able to take the break he was hoping for to visit us before transferring. But even worse, he says that practically his whole command has been coming down with swine flu, and as an unrelated virus, I'm afraid that Corona could give them all a double-whammy! It sounds rather frightening...

Any medical folk here who have ideas on how something like this could play out? 

 

 

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It’s really not a crazy idea for the government to pay people or businesses for honest work in a time of crisis. We camp a lot here in Florida and many of the parks have trails and structures that were built in the 30s by the Civilian Conservation Corps that employed young men. They were paid plus a certain amount was sent back to their families. I think your idea is a better idea than Romney’s $1000 per adult that would be nice, for sure, but I still have a job and don’t need it now. There are so many more people that will need it when businesses go under and many of them would be happy to have a job that pays them. 
I think the bureaucracy from both sides of the aisle has destroyed any ability of government to be nimble or smart. 

3 hours ago, kokapetl said:

This is a crazy idea, but how about the government trains select restaurants/cafes how to do serious hygiene, and pays restaurants, cafes etc to cook/prepare heavily subsidized meals that would be delivered hygienically to urban & suburban households. It would help keep these places in business, and it would stop these supermarket shortages. And it would remind people on a daily basis that civilisation has not ended (except on Mondays).

I think toilet paper and soap will end up requiring ration tickets or something. 
 

 

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I don’t know what to expect except that this will be life altering for the world and I will be eternally grateful if my family and loved ones survive. What does lift my spirits is how so many states have no deaths. This afternoon WV had ZERO cases. Imagine that. 
 

Tomorrow I must go to my office for a few minutes to attend to a matter that I can’t do remotely. I can’t avoid it. I am taking huge measures to provide safety for my client and myself. I hate to wear a mask, but, I am.  I’m not touching anything that hasn’t been bleached. A quick stop at the bank and then I’m headed home for the next foreseeable future. 

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Here is something to entertain us. I hope more artists share this types of event.

https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/1239666268627546112?s=21

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Library I work for part-time is closing to the public, as of tomorrow morning, though we are going to try to provide curbside service for check out as well as answering reference questions and the like via phone and email. All the county offices in my area are following suit of staying open but not open to the public, so people don't lose paychecks but risk is minimized. We're not one of the counties that has had a case yet, though we've had at least 1 negative test result. 

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