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Does Jennifer really think EJ would care if she calls him a "rotten man"?  Does Jennifer really think EJ would care if Abigail thinks he's a "rotten man"? I think that's what he had been hoping all this time to get her off his back.

 

Calling someone a "rotten man" sounds like something a 90 year old would say.

 

Don't most little kids want to be a happy family with their parents? Allie should be encouraging Sami to get back together with Lucas, you know, because he's her father, not EJ. First Will wants to be a Dimeria and now her smh.

 

Abby and her mother are eating up a significant amount of airtime and it needs to stop.

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I wonder if Jennifer would sound less annoying about Eve if her dialogue was framed a different way.

Jennifer needs to stop mentioning "high school". I couldn't tell if it was Daniel or SC laughing at Jennifer.

 

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boes, I think that might be the most gorgeous post I've ever read.  Jen=Howler Monkey and Elvira Gulch--what a thing of beauty!  She was ridiculous with her "My daughter was vulnerable from what you and your brother did to her."  Is is a Horton law that they get to  rewrite history whenever it suits them?  I'm sure that Abby has now changed it to where EJ wouldn't leave her alone and she just had to give in.

 

AS was superb yesterday--her pain at EJ and Abby's betrayal was evident in every word she spit out while simultaneously trying not to cry.  Well done, Ms. Sweeney.

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Just saw today's episode and yet again, Abby makes a feeble attempt to accept the guilt that she has more than earned and yet again, there's a Horton to tell her she shouldn't be so hard on herself.  And this time, it was Sami's own son and son in law.  I loved Sonny and Will's argument that Sami has behaved just as badly in the past, but here's the difference bitches:  Sami was made to pay for her mistakes. She's been told many times over just how wrong she was and she took it and realized she had to be punished for her mistakes.  Abby talks a good game but she doesn't actually expect to face any consequences and she has her legion of supporters to shield her.

 

And WIll, have some loyalty to your own mother.  Yell at her in private but by no means should he be discussing any of Sami's actions with Abby.

 

How much did I love that scene where Sami was wavering on forgiving EJ and Johnny walks in with his "Daddy, you said Abby's cupcakes were the best you ever had!"  GORGEOUS!  

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They invoked Gambit today.

 

Best. Show. Ever.

 

Gambit happens to be my favorite X-Man, too. Although he doesn't live in New Orleans anymore. He's from there but now he lives at Serval Enterprises which, I believe, is somewhere along the Atlantic Coast, possibly near DC. I'd have to look that up. And even that's questionable since he recently banged the boss' wife. (I wonder if Chase knows about that.)

 

He didn't know that it was the boss' wife, to be fair. And the only reason he was outed was because the wife wanted to be caught since her husband is banging his assistant... said assistant came upon Gambit and Boss' Wife after their night o' fun and she ratted him out... self-preservation probably because the wife totally confronted the assistant about the affair with her husband and assistant lied her ass off.

 

And the boss decided to leave Gambit behind when he had the rest of the team teleported to safety in a confrontation with a bad guy. So Gambit got beaten and tortured a bit and now the question is... what happens when this all comes out in front of the rest of the team?

 

Yes. Comic books ARE a soap opera... except with more explosions, super-powers and even more questionable outfits. But budgets are easier to come by when you're drawing things. They could totally draw an amazing gala... I actually wish they had just done that for the gala... go to the storyboard! At least there would have been more people there instead of what we got.

 

(I'm going to be forever bitter about the gala. Soap galas are supposed to be awesome, dammit. I get that they don't have the budget for it but if that's the case and they all know it then don't talk about it a gala you can't ever show! Figure out something else!)

 

Still, the fact that Marlena is Lady Sinister and now they've brought up Gambit... it's like the Marvel Universe is bleeding slightly into Salem. How delightful. For me.

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I'm gonna need Sami to go on a murderous rampage. This is truly getting out of hand. It's almost TOO heavy handed. Like there is some kind of fall coming for Abby. Then again, it could be just crap writing.

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I'm gonna need Sami to go on a murderous rampage. This is truly getting out of hand. It's almost TOO heavy handed. Like there is some kind of fall coming for Abby. Then again, it could be just crap writing.

 

I tend to lean towards crap writing more often than not.

 

But it's true... this is ri-god-damn-diculous.

 

I can't even appreciate the fact that Abby is trying to take some responsibility for this because everyone is bending over backwards trying to excuse her and fawn all over her... and they can't do it fast enough!

 

It makes me even more ragey about Jenn's 'Sami was out of line' bullshit. No. Given how the entire town of Salem can't kiss Abby's ass fast enough and tell her how wonderful she is... I declare Sami to be completely IN line. For everything. So there. Suck it, Salem.

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Wow... Will needs to go somewhere and soon.... Oh my god! He just needs to shut up while he is ahead... Stop defending Abby cause she is not mrs.perfect... Oh yeah and neither are you!! I just don't know about him anymore...and thank god that Sami smacked him. He had that coming...I used to like will, but after this I am not sure. Maybe he should leave sonny and hook up with Abigail cause he sure defends her and they both do there share of the same crap. Of course now that she slapped him, everyone will probably be all pissy that she did and say he didn't deserve it... Let's hope when Ari grows up, he is a better father to her and treats her better than his mother....

And for the record, when has will EVER cared about his mother??

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I just wonder what fantasy land Will lives in where people who are cheated on say "Eh. I cheated once so I'll just go shake her hand." Better yet, what fantasy are the writers living in.

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I'm gonna need Sami to go on a murderous rampage. This is truly getting out of hand. It's almost TOO heavy handed. Like there is some kind of fall coming for Abby. Then again, it could be just crap writing.

 

 

I think it is crap writing, and I believe these idiots are heading toward making this all Sami's fault.  When that happens, I will shoot EJ, the boring twit, Corday, and the writers in the head.

 

Thank you Johnny for being a good son, and reminding Sami to stay angry with EJ.  Will STFU, and die.

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Johnny is my new favorite person.  I LOVED that he broke up EJ's big con with his blatherings about how super awesome Abby and her cupcakes are. Give him hell, Sami, do NOT take him back!

 

And when you leave town, do NOT tell that fucker Will where you are going.  What an asshole.

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Is Gagby in for a major fall or are we just witnessing unprecedented levels of propping and coddling? I can't tell.

 

Will is such a worthless disloyal backstabbing bastard. If/when Sonny is written out I hope he leaves town with another man and takes Ari with him.  

 

Why do these people keep acting like completely giving Gagby a free pass or setting her on fire are the only two options here.

 

Will is a lost cause so how about Lucas let EJ have him and he can claim Johnny as his own.

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Why do these people keep acting like completely giving Gagby a free pass or setting her on fire are the only two options here.

 

If those are the choices, I'll go with the fire. At least it's something.

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Will is the worst son ever ugh Sami should have triple back slapped him. Who is he to warn ger and throw her past in her face. Will would feel differently if Sonny cheated (which I hope he does) so Will is gonna write the story and I bet he makes Sami out to be the bad guy.

Ciara is an annoying bitch. STFU all that talking about your mom's money and where you going and saying her location was lame. Hope should take her to Mt. Rushmore to punish her.

Chase is annoying to, when a parent says no dammit that's that and don't question it. Kids get on my nerves with that.

Johnny was the only likable kid today.

AbiSkank is accepting as little blame as possible but what else is new.

Grimace Sue stop grimacing so much.

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Why do these people keep acting like completely giving Gagby a free pass or setting her on fire are the only two options here.

Beyond the fact that it is infuriating for us to watch Abigail get off scot-free, it's completely unrealistic that not one single person in Salem is giving Abigail the stink-eye besides Sami! In the real world, Abigail's friends/peers would be gossiping about her and speculating wildly about what really happened and the adults would be using her as a cautionary tale for their kids and speculating wildly about her morals.  I know this is a soap, but they need to get real with this. 

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I think the reason Abigail's mostly gotten less of the blowback than Sami and E.J. is because most of Salem sees what she did as small potatoes.  And really, it is small potatoes, at least compared to things other people in Salem have done.  And even I see it as small potatoes compared to others' crimes and transgressions.  So I'm not bothered by her getting less flak.

 

And I really don't care who is bothered by it.

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I guess it's not nice to hear your son calling you nasty names is it Sami? Well, now you should know how your mother feels when you call her nasty names. You reap what you sow.

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Yes. Sami cheated. Leaving aside my rant that it was horribly out of character for her, she was divorced by Rafe as a consequence. So she paid for what she did.

 

I really do not understand this. I recall many, many times that Sami has been, rightfully, excoriated, both publicly and privately, for various actions. There's no doubt in my mind that if Sami and Abby were reversed in this story, the whole town of Salem would have lined up to tell Sami how awful she was for sleeping with Abby's fiance while babysitting Abby's kids, pretending to be Abby's friend, leaning on Abby for support when she thought she was pregnant by Abby's fiance, and acting as Abby's maid of honor.

 

But Abby gets a total pass from everyone except Kate. She's a hypocrite, and normally people love to point out a hypocrite. People also tend to be harder on hypocrisy than on other sins. Can we please have a little realism here? I'm not saying I expect them to burn her alive, but Abby's relatives should be having private conversations with her about her poor choices, and the rest of the town should be side-eying her. At the very least.

 

Before Abby's exposure, Nicole was the most recent screw-up in the town, and how many people lined up to tell her how awful she is?

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I love Kate.  I also love LK's hair.

 

Sami showed a great deal of restraint with her jerk of a son.  I would've throttled the sanctimonious little twerp the second he started justifying Cousin It's disgusting behavior.  He better not fuck up Sami's revenge plans.   Asshole.

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I do wonder if the town's inability to understand that Sami has reason to be upset with Abby (seriously, I'd settle even for just that, at this point) is setup for Sami's departure. I'd like to think it's setup for Abby's comeuppance, but seeing how the show seems pretty firm on her being a golden girl (even though her behavior doesn't justify it), maybe it's just that Sami decides to hell with everybody and takes her minor children and leaves.

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I do wonder if the town's inability to understand that Sami has reason to be upset with Abby (seriously, I'd settle even for just that, at this point) is setup for Sami's departure. I'd like to think it's setup for Abby's comeuppance, but seeing how the show seems pretty firm on her being a golden girl (even though her behavior doesn't justify it), maybe it's just that Sami decides to hell with everybody and takes her minor children and leaves.

 

 

I think this is what will happen.  Even worse because no one supports Sami at all or cares about her feelings, I'm worried she may give EJ another chance.  Sami will buy into the "It's all Sami's fault" BS that everyone in Salem is spouting, and Sami will be back to be abused by EJ so he can ruin her life again.  I hate Corday and the idiot writers.  Sami deserves a better exit SL than this.

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Last night I was rewatching the scenes between Chandler and Alison when Will told her that he knew she had slept with EJ, and when he came out to her, and the dynamics were so different then.  It actually hurt my heart to see Sami slap Will today.

 

I guess Will will now write a tell-all about what a horrible person his mother is.

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I agree. If the situation was reversed, Sami would be set on fire, so would Nicole, but not the boring twit who goes crying to mommy.

Speaking of, I wish Nicole would forget about Eric and band together with Sami and Kate against these Salem simpletons. They could start an anti-Horton/Dimer-did-me-wrong club. I really am tired of all the town piety.

I wish there was office video of Abby panting after EJ like a cat in heat, they could juxtapose it with the footage of her stalking Austin. Split-screen Simpleton, a new film by whoever it was that directed all that softcore porn Jennifer Tilly used to star in.

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Getting less flak is one thing, being completely absolved of all responsibility, and made out to be the victim is something else entirely.

Meh.  Another thing I'm not bothered by because at least Abigail doesn't see herself as a victim.  She knows she's not and has been saying as such.  Actually, she seems kind of shocked everyone else sees her that way.

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Didn't it take time for Will to forgive Sami about Rafe's cheating? I don't even actually remember him saying he did forgive her...I think he may have called her a "whore" though. Later, I think he got into that jam with Nick, needed Sami's help, and then somehow they were close® again.

 

After the cheating, I remember him going to EJ and working for him, but only getting the job through some kind of blackmail, to get back at Sami. So I don't really remember anything in the way of forgiveness. The patch-up process only seemed to happen when Will wound up in a jam with Nick or whatever.

 

I find Will's defense of Abigail weird in the sense that he's never seemed to have much of a backbone for anything else. Now he suddenly has one where Abigail is concerned??? That's bizarre, given how his personality has been in the past. If he was generally one to stand up for somebody, I might get it. But I don't normally see that trait in him as a general rule. So for him to suddenly get some kind of aggressiveness because Abigail is involved seems sort of odd. He didn't know how to stand up to Gabi about the custody agreement when the safety of his kid was involved, but he knows how to tell Sami to lay off Abigail? I don't get it.

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Will never forgave Sami.  He continued to bad mouth Sami for months even when Sami was helping him with the Nick situation.  Sami is the only person Will gets aggressive with because he knows she loves him, and will put up with it.  Will didn't treat either Gabi or Kate bad over the toss Nick in the river debacle, only Sami.

 

The boring twit was acting like EJ's victim when he ended things.  She was hiding behind Jennifer when Sami confronted her.  I hope Sami destroys EJ, and his pathetic sidepiece.

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I really do not understand this. I recall many, many times that Sami has been, rightfully, excoriated, both publicly and privately, for various actions. There's no doubt in my mind that if Sami and Abby were reversed in this story, the whole town of Salem would have lined up to tell Sami how awful she was for sleeping with Abby's fiance while babysitting Abby's kids, pretending to be Abby's friend, leaning on Abby for support when she thought she was pregnant by Abby's fiance, and acting as Abby's maid of honor.

 

But Abby gets a total pass from everyone except Kate. She's a hypocrite, and normally people love to point out a hypocrite. People also tend to be harder on hypocrisy than on other sins. Can we please have a little realism here? I'm not saying I expect them to burn her alive, but Abby's relatives should be having private conversations with her about her poor choices, and the rest of the town should be side-eying her. At the very least.

 

Exactly.  And the good townsfolk, particularly the Hootin' Hortons, don't see what happened as a small thing at all.  They see it as a HUGE thing that happened......to one of them.  To hell with Sami, to hell with anyone else, they're upset because their own sweet Abigail, Howler Monkey Jr. was set upon, seduced, fooled, betrayed because of her big heart, pushed on his dick repeatedly - or all of the above - and that's the sin.  Their dear own little favorite ferret MUST have been coerced in some way into having an affair with EJ, ergo it's not only all his fault, Sami should be sympathetic to the poor deluded slug, certainly not angry.

They're not dismissing what happened at all, just rewriting it in a very peculiar way.  The Hortons have devolved in a very Creature from the Black Lagoon sort of reverse evolution.  Someone has been slipping radioactive isotopes into Alice's cupcake recipe.

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I don't get why this cheating storyline was created if there isn't fall-out for Abigail. The whole point of soap operas is to see fall-out over affairs. Yeah, it's not the worst crime or whatever, but watching Abigail sip on a drink all the time while nothing much happens seems kind of lame.

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You can thank Corday for this mess.  Corday did not want to put Sami and EJ together.  The network made him.  This is Corday's payback.  So essentially as immature and childish as the fictional characters may seem to be, TIIC are even worse.

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Good point, bantering. If Abby is going to have nothing happen to her, it's boring. I wouldn't mind some of her loved ones being supportive - although I feel "supportive" in this situation would include at least a constructive discussion about her poor choices so that she doesn't repeat this with a third attached man - but so far Sami's yelled at her and been criticized for that while everyone else rushes to support and prop up Abby and tell her she's the victim and did nothing wrong. How old is Abby supposed to be now anyway?

 

Another thing I'm not bothered by because at least Abigail doesn't see herself as a victim.  She knows she's not and has been saying as such.  Actually, she seems kind of shocked everyone else sees her that way.

 

I agree Abby's made some attempts to take responsibility for her actions rather than saying she was just a victim, and it's mostly the way everyone else has rushed to tell her otherwise that's really galling. However, Abby's not really been that invested in accepting responsibility, and at this juncture it's starting to feel like maybe she says it precisely so that everyone else will tell her no, she did nothing wrong. If she were really seriously thinking about herself, she wouldn't have been in Horton Square moralizing loudly at a woman she doesn't even know, and slapping her, right after Sami had just ripped her a new one. I'm not saying once you've done something wrong you can never judge anyone else's actions, but you know, having the self-awareness to take an appropriate period of time for self-reflection before getting back on her soapbox would be appropriate. She couldn't wait 24 hours. Hell, she couldn't even give herself one night to sleep on things, before she started screeching judgement at others.

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I think the fact that no one is even gossiping about Abigail's indiscretion is a little weird. I guess everyone is related to Abigail so they probably don't want to do that, but you'd think maybe JJ's friends might want to laugh at her a bit. They look like the types to laugh at someone like Abigail.

 

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Oh wait, I just realized that Sami's revenge plan against Abigail has been so small, the only people who really know about her indiscretion are the ones most likely to support her anyway. The rest of the town doesn't actually know. Sami hasn't told everybody like it's being implied. I think the only reason Adrienne knew was because Jennifer told her.

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Since Will is writing the story about EJ and Sami for Salem's version of TMZ, ironically it will be Will spreading around Abigail's business about who she slept with to the public. So while he's telling Sami to stop ruining Abigail's life, it might actually be Will that's bringing some form of embarrassment to her. Why didn't Will turn the job down? How is he not hurting Abigail by writing that story?

 

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I really wish I could pick the writers brain in an attempt understand what they're trying to do ...

 

That would probably require microsurgery.

 

ETA: Well, looks like something finally got a rise out of NuWill. I don't buy this whole Will-takes-Abigail's-side development. Will and his mother have moved on from the grief-sex thing. (Wow, that sounded really gross.) I liked the scene between Sami and Caroline, and I think Sweeney really sold Sami's pain and her inability to move past it. But making Will into a sanctimonious prick is a simplistic and backward choice by the writers.

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Abigail DOES have the best cupcakes, doesn't she?  I bet Elvis really loved how hers didn't overflow the cups, how perky they must have been, how LIGHT and fluffy!  I can only hope they didn't stick to the bottom of the pan......I can't imagine that Grandma Horton EVER imagined her famous baking tins being put to quite the use Abigail seems to...

So do you think EJ sprayed her with PAM before every encounter??  And I BET they didn't use frosting in a can, either.

 

Will can go suck rocks, that lousy little weasel-faced gopher.  I've read that no DNA test was ever done to confirm that Lucas was Bill Horton's son, but Will certainly proved today that no test is needed.  When he got on his high horse at the club and marched out, he just automatically started doing the Horton High Hat Stomp as he marched over to browbeat his mother in full sanctimonious mode.  And when the little snipe went off on Sami I was really glad she slapped the brat.  

And I don't think that he can compare him seeing her with EJ to what Marlena's affair with John did to Sami.  Marlena's affair has always been a major motivator in what made Sami who she is.  Sami cheating on Rafe has never been said to have had a similar effect on Will.  So that's just bull he was pulling on his mother to get her to ease up on Abigail.

It seems to me that Lucas and Will have always been second-tier Hortons.  And maybe because of that, Will feels the need to suck up to get accepted into the inner circle of that Horror Club.  But no matter why, he had no business disregarding his mother's feelings and upholding Abigail's - and then throwing that in Sami's face - the way he did today.  

He can have Adrienne as his new mommy - she's far more his speed anyway.  And I sure hope that the next time he's in trouble - and he will be - that Abigail has time to make him some cupcakes because that's ALL the help he'll get from that side of the family - and that's if she's not boning someone else's husband at the time.  

 

I liked Kate in the Rafe/Kate scenes. Rafe, not so much.  One of the things that I find most unappealing about the character is how highly he thinks of himself.  And after Kate told him that one of the reasons she went after Stefano was because of him, you could just see the glow of "ain't I GREAT" begin to shine in his eyes.  And if eyes are the window to the soul, then looking deeply into Rafe's is likely to bore you to death.  

Pretty, yeah.  Smart, not so much.

 

Now who's up for some CUPCAKES??  I want mine with sprinkles, just the way EJ seems to like his.  Anyone else??

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What does it say about Gering's acting that Rafe always seems so much more genuine, more alive in scenes with little kids, such as in today's episodes with Johnny? Maybe 'cause there's no icky, confusing subtext for him to worry his pretty little head about?

 

And now I'll never look at a cupcake the same way again. Thanks, boes!

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I find Will's defense of Abigail weird in the sense that he's never seemed to have much of a backbone for anything else. Now he suddenly has one where Abigail is concerned??? That's bizarre, given how his personality has been in the past. If he was generally one to stand up for somebody, I might get it. But I don't normally see that trait in him as a general rule. So for him to suddenly get some kind of aggressiveness because Abigail is involved seems sort of odd. He didn't know how to stand up to Gabi about the custody agreement when the safety of his kid was involved, but he knows how to tell Sami to lay off Abigail? I don't get it.

 

I came here to post almost the exact same thing!  Bland, boring, passive Will finally remembers he has a backbone and takes a stand, but it's in service to Abigail?  In-fucking-conceivable. 

 

Hopefully Sami lets Will know that the next time he needs help getting out of trouble because he's done something stupid , he should call his good and innocent friend Abigail instead of her. 

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Why is it that Sonny, Kate, & Sami are the only ones who can see that it wasn't force. They're the only ones walking around with brains in their heads while everyone else in Salem is leaving their brains on the table and walking around like clueless dumbasses.

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Abby's told everyone, and I mean everyone, who's heard about the affair that she's just as much to blame as EJ, that Sami has a right to be angry, that she's not a victim, that it's not the first time that she's gone after an unavailable man, and that she deserves whatever comes her way. What else should she do? It's not her fault that everyone around her is stupid. She's owned up to it, and, IMO, the only one who's actually saying the right things right now.

 

As for Sami: it must really suck that your grown son still holds a grudge about that time that he walked in on you having sex with some guy who was not your husband. What kind of asshole kid does that? 

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One thing I've never quite understood about Will is that he's angry about Sami having cheated on Rafe, but never seemed to register a reaction to Carrie and Chloe cheating on Lucas (who is his actual dad). Does anyone care about Lucas????

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I think Will writing this story may backfire on all of them.  Will is going to trash Sami, that will get other reporters interested, and they will start digging up all the crimes these people have gotten away with, including Will.

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Something better happen in this storyline.....

 

EJ and Sami (and also Kate) are keeping things going, but everyone else is blands-ville. Even when Sami slapped Will, I couldn't muster up any feeling for him.

 

Once Sami is gone from the show, I picture everyone just sitting around having boring speculative conversations. Sami might not always do the best thing, but she does move things along...

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I think Will is actually going to try not to trash anybody in this story, more to protect precious ickle Abby than anyone else, but it will still backfire, most likely in exactly the way TigerLynx speculates.

 

As for Sami: it must really suck that your grown son still holds a grudge about that time that he walked in on you having sex with some guy who was not your husband. What kind of asshole kid does that? 

 

The kind written by the Afternoon Shift, that's who. (And they're not going to let us forget it.)

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I think Will writing this story may backfire on all of them.  Will is going to trash Sami, that will get other reporters interested, and they will start digging up all the crimes these people have gotten away with, including Will.

I think you may be right.  Didn't he say that the reason he wanted to write the story was so that Abigail's part would stay hidden? And now he's all mad and his panties are in a wad and he's gonna write some kind of scathing expose on Sami and EJ and you just know this will backfire on him and Abby.  At least that's what I most fervently hope.

 

I would not blame Sami if never contacted anyone from her family ever again.  What a bunch of assholes.

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While Will is exposing Sami's past misdeeds and crimes I bet he will conveniently forget about all the things she's done while trying to help him. I bet he will also forget about how multiple people have helped him get away with attempted murder and refused to turn him in to the cops. I hope this little hatchet job of his backfires and destroys his chances of becoming a legitimate respected writer.

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