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I feel terrible for that woman. What she did was absolutely wrong, but I believe she felt threatened and she was obviously remorseful. Not sure what kind of representation she had, but seems like she should have gotten a deal better than that by pleading guilty. Awful. 

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They've featured some great cases in Tulsa this season.

I was shocked at the Arby's manager 25 year sentence. That seems incredibly harsh. I too wonder if she had previous convictions or something. 

This show rarely paints victims in a negative light so it was interesting to me that they aired so many soundbites about what a jerk this guy was. I googled some articles that talked about the victim's extensive criminal history but nothing about her. 

He terrorized this woman and the other employees, threw a drink, spit on her, left and came back.  She shouldn't have followed him and needs to be punished but I've seen rapists, child molesters and other killers get less time. 

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You don’t get to chase someone down and murder them because they treated you extremely badly an hour earlier. Even the second incident was over before she went after him.  Even with a self defense claim, the defensive action has to be in the moment. And in line with what the aggressor was doing.  Yelling and spitting isn’t equal to killing him.   What she did was premeditated murder.   She needed to leave it at filing the police report.  She got an appropriate sentence. 

She didn’t show remorse when the police talked to her at Arby’s and for quite a while at the police station. She lied thru her teeth. She threw away the gun knowing she was in the wrong. 

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Glad to see Ronnie Leatherman back! And he got a confession. WTF with that woman going all ganster on that guy. Yeah he was a dick, but you could have gotten yourself, him and others killed. And how would she ever think she was not going to get caught given the earlier altercations that the police knew about! She was a very cool customer during their first interview. 

But this is why I would never confess. The cops are all "tell us the truth so we can help you!!!" The woman came clean and pleaded guilty, but the cops are just high-fiving over the confession, they rarely are actually going to go to bat for you.  

I agree the Tulsa cases have been interesting lately. Lots of variety and follow through. 

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I was shocked that the manager of Arby's actually did it! She seemed totally legit in the beginning. Even the older detective bought her story at first. As an aside, it's always interesting to me that the direction a case takes often involves the gut feelings of the detectives. It's necessary I suppose but also is potentially problematic.

This past episode about the brothers being gunned down was also very compelling. I really thought the worker's sons were involved but it was totally random. The wives on the phone with the detectives identifying their bodies really broke my heart. They seemed like good men who were just going about their day and they happened to cross paths with a psychopath.  His smiling and laughing at the end was so creepy. I hope the girlfriend that turned on him gets some help. I can't imagine going through all that (tied up during the murders, two swollen shut black eyes and who knows what else) and living a normal life without a lot of help.

Almost every case this season could be made into a movie.

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18 hours ago, Soobs said:

This past episode about the brothers being gunned down was also very compelling. I really thought the worker's sons were involved but it was totally random. The wives on the phone with the detectives identifying their bodies really broke my heart. They seemed like good men who were just going about their day and they happened to cross paths with a psychopath.  His smiling and laughing at the end was so creepy. I hope the girlfriend that turned on him gets some help. I can't imagine going through all that (tied up during the murders, two swollen shut black eyes and who knows what else) and living a normal life without a lot of help.

Almost every case this season could be made into a movie.

Just read that the D.A. is seeking the death penalty for Smith. My gut says this will be used as a bargaining chip to get him to plead to life without parole. I don't know if they'd have enough evidence to get a guilty verdict with a death penalty recommendation from a jury based on what was shown on the show, and what's in the news. I think both sides would be rolling the dice if this went to verdict, so threaten him with a hot shot and persuade him to accept LWOP, and put paid to everything.

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On 2/28/2020 at 4:46 PM, Stealthy said:

I feel terrible for that woman. What she did was absolutely wrong, but I believe she felt threatened and she was obviously remorseful. 

This is the first time I also cried for the criminal while watching. 25 years... wow!

At the same time, Yes, he was an a**hole, yes, he acted like an entitled jerk, and yes he manhandled and SPIT on a woman he'd never met before. Who TF does this? (And come on, I don't see him as being a 'loving mate' with that temper.) Yes, I get her (the Manager's) anger, especially the 2nd time he came back ranting. Some big guy demanding to know my car, and threatening to come back and jump me because I wasn't polite enough in the drive-through? Also, when you are the leader of a group, sometimes you (subconsciously) behave in ways that assure your workers that you've got this. So, I cannot tell you how I would have responded in her situation, because I have experienced both intense fear/hiding, and murderous rage/confronting while placed in terrifying situations. I'm afraid to say, I would probably have responded closer to option b, so I cried for her.

However, she did not have to follow him to Target. He never flashed any gun at her (but spitting is an assault). It's hard to claim self defence when you are chasing someone's car with a loaded gun. Her actions of further breaking up the gun will not allow anyone on the jury (or judge/ lawyers etc.) to just give her 5 years. Lastly, given her workers were witnesses, she still got a lengthy sentence. I think that her rage may have tipped her beyond the presumed threat. Here's a woman who just will NOT put up with being disrespected and assaulted ever again. And, she's paying the price.

Clearly the police didn't bother pursuing the situation - even though the guy was right there?

I know this isn't a popular view for many, but I truly am glad Canada's laws are such that I wouldn't bother, or feel a need, to possess a gun. With my kneejerk, 'back-at-ya' temper, that could easily have been me - and only one shot was made and needed.

There but for the grace of God, go I. My heart aches for both families.

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On 8/6/2016 at 6:05 PM, auntjess said:

Miami seems to have the most gang violence, and Minneapolis seems to have more violence among the homeless.  (And can you imagine being homeless in Minneapolis?)

I am always surprised by the amount of murders committed in Texas. I've always felt that the majority of the world knows that Texan sentences /jails are brutal, appeals are pretty much ignored, the death penalty remains legal, and unlawful or corrupt colluding was often the norm (especially in the days of that devil DA, Connick). Despite this, the murders and crime continue, and not even sentences of 400 years can alleviate what's happening. Now what?  What should be put in place?

It seems nowhere have police ever been paid well enough (although it's much better than in the '70s & '80s) so it's no wonder some of them end up corrupt. You know what is important to a society when you see where the top dollars are being paid. That's when you see it certainly isn't the police, teachers, or childcare/ nursing home workers. I remember bitching about the cost of daycare, then stopping myself to wonder why my child's care wasn't the top expense from my cheque given he was my top priority. It's just a tough financial world we live in.

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Can someone help me out with the Carnage episode in Mobile?  DeMarcus was killed when Carey Weets (Wee Wee) drove by and shot up his house.  (DeMarcus wasn't the target.)  Wee Wee was then killed in retaliation by DeMarcus's brothers, LaCedrick and Raheem.  This all had something to do with a dice game where someone was cheated out of five dollars.

So who was Courtney and what did he have to do with anything?

I was more than a bit confused when this one was finished.

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Years ago, before police reality shows became popular, I used to feel offended when cops would laugh and dismiss every criminals claims of innocence. After watching this and other shows for years, it is surprising how most of them lie through their teeth. It's always refreshing when someone straight up confesses or outlines what really happened. How can cops ever believe anyone?

On 3/12/2020 at 8:00 PM, AuntiePam said:

  This all had something to do with a dice game where someone was cheated out of five dollars.

So who was Courtney and what did he have to do with anything?

And still they all feel justified in participating in street justice retaliation because they are all armed. What ever happened to fighting it out, or calling a draw? Shooting up homes? Gawd...And wanting the police to interject when they're dead...

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In the case where the Tulsa teen killed a teacher he didn’t seem very bright.,Telling the detectives that he was going to see his girlfriend at work, but then, not knowing where she worked set the whole situation.

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On 3/27/2020 at 10:41 PM, El maestro said:

In the case where the Tulsa teen killed a teacher he didn’t seem very bright.,Telling the detectives that he was going to see his girlfriend at work, but then, not knowing where she worked set the whole situation.

Was that the dead-eyed 16-year-old who also raped an 81-year-old woman?  There was something seriously wrong with that kid.  And after confessing to murder, rape, and robbery, he acts like they're going to just let him go.  "Do I have to stay here?" 

We hear the term "sociopath" a lot.  I think this kid truly is one. 

Hearts breaking for the four-year-old who witnessed her father kill her mother.  What was it she said? "He better not come by my house any more."  And then at the end, she's telling her grandma "Stop that cryin'!"  I don't know child psychology, but I wonder if her age will make it easier for her to get through this.  At four, you really don't understand.  Do you? 

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On 4/3/2020 at 10:58 AM, AuntiePam said:

Was that the dead-eyed 16-year-old who also raped an 81-year-old woman?  There was something seriously wrong with that kid.  And after confessing to murder, rape, and robbery, he acts like they're going to just let him go.  "Do I have to stay here?" 

We hear the term "sociopath" a lot.  I think this kid truly is one. 

Hearts breaking for the four-year-old who witnessed her father kill her mother.  What was it she said? "He better not come by my house any more."  And then at the end, she's telling her grandma "Stop that cryin'!"  I don't know child psychology, but I wonder if her age will make it easier for her to get through this.  At four, you really don't understand.  Do you? 

I was reading the news about his conviction and it seems that he is almost illiterate. The family should have never allowed him to roam the streets unsupervised knowing his cognitive problems.

 

 

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I’m watching a Tulsa episode about a man killed in his driveway after a visit to a casino.  
One of the people interviewed loaned a truck ( used in the robbery/murder) to a guy whose real name he  didn’t know, whose address he didn’t know.  In fact, all he knew about the guy was his street name.    I couldn’t tell you the last time I loaned a vehicle to anyone who wasn’t a close family  member.  

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I just watched the episode where the Arby’s manager killed the bully customer. I feel sorry for her, but she should have never killed him. Even his family admitted that the victim was frequently in trouble with other people.

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What's the significance to all those shots of shoes dangling on power lines?  We see them in more than one city.

People tied shoes together and tossed them on chain-link fences at a factory where I worked, when the factory closed down. 

But these shoes on power lines seem pretty random. 

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They changed the opening! 😲 I don't know how I feel about it. Now it looks like every other show. And I miss the old style clock with its clicking tiles. I've had a few of those in my day! 

 

 

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I’m watching a Tulsa episode about a man killed in his driveway after a visit to a casino.  
One of the people interviewed loaned a truck ( used in the robbery/murder) to a guy whose real name he  didn’t know, whose address he didn’t know.  In fact, all he knew about the guy was his street name.    I couldn’t tell you the last time I loaned a vehicle to anyone who wasn’t a close family  member.  

I’ve seen this type of stuff before on this show. Usually the individuals will loan out their car to unknowns in exchange for drugs. Though I don’t recall that being mentioned in this case. 

Just watched the Cruel Intentions episode. This was probably one of the most interesting cases profiled. It played like something straight out of Law & Order. The victim, Leila Smith, was a beautiful young woman, who sounds like had promise. It’s sad that she’d been reduced to stripping for a living and dealing with a married piece of sh*t.  

The killer, obviously didn’t account for the intelligence of detectives investigating the case or how much technology has improved in the 10 years since he was suspected of killing his first wife. Now there are not only cell phone towers everywhere that can track your whereabouts but cameras. 

Its crazy that he previously tried to kill her via drive by shooting months earlier, when that didn’t work I guess he then decided to just kill her himself one night after she got off work. Again, what a piece of sh*t to do that to the mother of his child. 

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An old First 48 Hours on Mystery last night was crazy stupid. Two people killed including a woman in her fifties who was paralyzed all over a fight between two young teenage boys. They were about thirteen and fourteen. One of them when home and told his mother he was jumped by the other boy and someone else. That mom claimed she didn't go over there intending to kill anyone but she wanted to talk to the other boy's mom and ask her to let the two boys fight. What? How is that a response to finding out your boy got jumped? Wouldn't you be over there yelling at the parents about their son attacking her son? Apparently not. I did love the expressions on the Detectives faces when she said that. They looked just as surprised by that as I was. But she also brought along her boyfriend and waited for another man named Marcus Green who was a convicted felon to show up and then go confront the boy's family. Somehow neither she, her boyfriend nor Marcus seemed to know where the shooting was coming from. Amazing, they went and argued with the boy's father and brother (uncertain if Mom said anything since she was found shot in the apartment. ) but somehow almost everyone from the other family was injured or dead.  Witnesses identified Marcus as the shooter. I did love Marcus wondering why thought he was the shooter. The Detectives are all 'we have witnesses and there a video of his rental car there. He seemed annoyed asking the Detective what about his car. The Detective pointing out that his car wasn't at a shooting When they went to arrest him they pulled over his car in an apartment complex and pulled a man out, who actually wasn't Marcus but Marcus had loaned him his car. That'll probably be the last time that poor man ever borrows a car. They end up finding him at the day care center he worked at. Yes, a convicted felon was working at a daycare as a janitor. He said at first he worked afternoon into the evening shift but that was switched at some point to after it closed. When the Detectives were wondering who would hire a convicted felon to work at daycare it turned out he was married to the owner of the daycare. I can't imagine the parents' reactions when they learned that bit of news about the daycare their kids were at not to mention that he ended up shooting two people. He tried to run but they arrested him. He apparently gave his gun to his wife who gave it to an employee to try to get out without the police catching her. Well, naturally the police searched her. I can't imagine being told by my boss to hide a gun and not saying no. That seems like a really bad idea. They arrested the wife too and tried to convince her to talk by saying how her husband was going to ruin her business. Which while true I'm pretty sure the business is going to be ruin as soon is ran on the news that the daycare owner's husband who also worked there was arrested for shooting two people. She refused to say anything except try to claim all the guns they owned were hers. She ended up serving a year of jail for trying to hide evidence, her husband got twenty years, and the mom also got one year for facilitation. All for two young teenage boys who got into a fight. I did feel bad for the poor husband and father so devastated over his wife and son death and the stupidity of it.

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I was poking around on the Pluto channels and discovered they had The First 48 seasons all the way back to the beginning.  Those early shows in Miami with Detective Joe Schillaci and the way they dealt with suspects was so different from what is done today.  They even had my favorite episode, The House On Medrano Street, with the Atlanta crew.  That was a really creepy episode. I wish they had shown some of the New Orleans episodes.  

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The episode with the 3 Hispanic teenagers in Tulsa depressed me. A shopkeeper dead and  3 wasted lives, for nothing. They should show this episode to all kids in alternative schools and all the gangster wannabes.

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Anyone see the episode about a week ago with the home invasion and murder? A woman opens her door to leave only to be faced with a guy and gun. He forces them inside. Her husband fights him and ends up shot and killed. The robber takes off. The police show up and canvas the area and find the same robber went into an elderly couple's house nearby held them at gun point. Forced them to drive him to bank to steal money off their card, while there sees a woman at the bank goes and robs her, takes the couple back home, rapes the wife and leaves. The police are shocked by the brazen, the speed and start looking for suspects. They get footage from the Bank which shows the robber but doesn't show his face to well. He had covered himself up with a hoodie pretty well. But they put it out. They find one guy who turns out not to have been involved. Then cops get a call about another robbery this time a couple who'd been sitting in their car in a parking lot talking he gets in the car robs the boyfriend and molests the woman.  He most likely would have raped her if not for the cop car that showed up. He tries to leave but is caught. The robber? He's sixteen. Sixteen! In one day he robbed four people, raped a woman, molested another, and murdered a man. He of course is tried as an adult and convicted for the rest of his life. He confessed to most of it. He wouldn't admit to raping the woman. He did admit to the robberies and murdered while acting like it was really no big deal. I'll never understand teens who commit such big crimes. I know teens have no concept of life in prison or anything. But its still hard to see someone so young committing so many crimes and in one day. In one day he threw his entire life away. Did he just wake up and decide to rob or had he started out with smaller crimes?  They did mention there was a group that had been robbing the area but nothing really came from that so I don't know if he was part of it or not. Usually if something doesn't go anywhere or they can't prove it they'll say that. 

One thing that is really annoying whether its new or old episodes is how often the recap even when there's only one case. We don't need so many in one episode. 

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