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4 minutes ago, Diane Mars said:

OMG ! For a while, I was thinking : Yay ! What a great idea for Snatch game. And then... I remembered that I was NOT on the RPDR forum 🤣

I just wish I knew what you are talking about, lol.

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On 3/25/2019 at 6:21 PM, biakbiak said:

Unless she is also a lawyer she can’t be a coowner of a law firm or get a part of the profits the partnership agreement would need a buyout.

On 3/25/2019 at 6:14 PM, film noire said:

His business was a law firm -- is it customary for spouses to be listed as co-owners of a legal practice?

Paging @Mrs peel!

She can’t be an owner “partner” of the firm if not an attorney.  But his partnership share (ownership %) would be paid out to the estate.

but did he have a law firm?  I thought I read that he had a business loaning plaintiffs money for during their lawsuits, and they got their money back (with interest) after settlement.

some of these companies have branched out to, with the assistance of personal injury plaintiffs lawyers, pay for various surgeries for plaintiffs, and again, get the money after a case settles.  It’s been happening with the vaginal mesh cases, and many of the women end up far worse than they were, with little or no settlement money at the end (because these cases can drag on and the interest is. High).  It’s predatory, IMO.

Edited to add:  I hadn’t seen AnnA’s comment about the source of his money, thanks!

That he was worth $11MM makes me even more suspicious about the ring.  I swear I’ve seen her with 2 different rings, one square shaped, one oval or rectangular.  Both humongous and must have cost a fortune if real.  Just seems out of kilter for his net worth (half of which he was likely to have had to give to the wife in any divorce).  But aren’t the apartments where he lived very expensive (refuse to type the name!😇😈).  

And yes, generally you can’t disinherit your spouse.  If you try, the spouse can still get their share.

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I just got home from work and the Scary Island episode is on, it is still as fabulous as it was the first time it aired!  That said, I did not realize that Bethenny had so much work done on her face, like a completely different person now.

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6 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

 I thought I read that he had a business loaning plaintiffs money for during their lawsuits, and they got their money back (with interest) after settlement.

You're right -- LawCash is a member of the American Legal Finance Association (whatever the fuck that is ; )

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That he was worth $11MM makes me even more suspicious about the ring.  I swear I’ve seen her with 2 different rings, one square shaped, one oval or rectangular.  Both humongous and must have cost a fortune if real.  Just seems out of kilter for his net worth (half of which he was likely to have had to give to the wife in any divorce).  But aren’t the apartments where he lived very expensive (refuse to type the name!😇😈).  

I know -- eleven million does seem like bullshit money given his wife,  four kids + college,  his apartment (in that place; ) and as you said, two big diamonds (the one Frankel flashed on Instagram, and this one on the show). 

Maybe the rings are as fake as their engagement? ; )

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Yes.  Apartments in "that place" are very expensive.

BTW...... @Mrs Peel and @Film Noire  I LOVE LOVE LOVE that you both called it "that place."   LOL

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4 hours ago, film noire said:

You're right -- LawCash is a member of the American Legal Finance Association (whatever the fuck that is ; )

It's a trade organization for legal financiers. The most important thing that the association does is lobby to exempt legal financiers from banking regulations and regulations in general. The other thing the association does is come up with their own voluntary code of conduct that legal financiers should follow. 

4 hours ago, film noire said:

I know -- eleven million does seem like bullshit money given his wife,  four kids + college,  his apartment (in that place 😉 and as you said, two big diamonds (the one Frnkel flashed on Instagram, and this one on the show).

Maybe the rings are as fake as their engagement? ; )

The apartment is on the market for $4.5 million.

http://nychomereview.com/listing/1658341?t=5a09b621-91b6-4e36-b3e4-755eafd82cda

It does seem like he should have had more money. He could reasonably expect to pay at least a solid million for college for the kids.

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12 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

does seem like he should have had more money. He could reasonably expect to pay at least a solid million for college for the kids.

Aren’t most of them finished or close to finishing college? The oldest is 25 and the youngest 18ish.

According to one of the articles about his passing:

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2016 separation and have four children, college student Kelsey, Zachary, 23, Tyler, 24, and Darien, 20.

unless it’s a poorly written sentence only one of them was in college at the time of his death. Tyler’s birthday was shortly after his dad died. It’s the Daily Mail so 50/50 on whether it was a poorly written sentence.

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On 3/27/2019 at 8:07 PM, biakbiak said:

Aren’t most of them finished or close to finishing college? The oldest is 25 and the youngest 18ish.

According to one of the articles about his passing:

unless it’s a poorly written sentence only one of them was in college at the time of his death. Tyler’s birthday was shortly after his dad died. It’s the Daily Mail so 50/50 on whether it was a poorly written sentence.

Since so many college kids are on the 5-6 year plan now (even those who are wealthy and don’t need to go part-time and work), who knows how many are still in school.

that apt is both non-descript and tacky.  I know “he who shall not be named by me” loves those gold fixtures, but everywhere I see newish construction it’s nickel plated now.  And I know marble can be expensive, but it seems kinda cold for living space.  It’s a good size for a NY apt, even high end, but a lot of space is wasted on the foyer and hallway to the living room.  Now I can’t recall if there was a hall closet. Don’t get me started on the bathrooms.  The crown molding seems skimpy.  Lord I do love to rip on real estate!

Either the reported $11MM is way off or he was living off credit.  How do you even own a $4.5MM apt if your net worth is $11MM?  I assume the wife stayed in the marital apt, which is likely larger and more expensive.  Or maybe the $11MM is his half.

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8 minutes ago, Mrs peel said:

that apt is both non-descript and tacky.  I know “he who shall not be named by me” loves those gold fixtures, but everywhere I see newish construction it’s nickel plated now.  And I know marble can be expensive, but it seems kinda cold for living space.  It’s a good size for a NY apt, even high end, but a lot of space is wasted on the foyer and hallway to the living room.  Now I can’t recall if there was a hall closet. Don’t get me started on the bathrooms.  The crown molding seems skimpy.  Lord I do love to rip on real estate!

And Dennis died in it. It is creepy and sad. Addiction is such a tragic thing. To live in a palace that 95% of the world's population could never have access to, and die of an addiction in said palace, it was something that was ahead of his riches and his 4 kids. Just sad. 

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1 hour ago, Mrs peel said:

that apt is both non-descript and tacky.  

I agree.

It has that big corporate blandness thing I hate, where the illusion of wealth hits your eye at first  (it's so big! It must be high end!) but then you look at what the space contains and everything's exactly as you put it: non-descript and tacky. And they want 4.5 million for that poky galley kitchen? Are you kidding me?  Not enough room for two people to plate take-out together, never mind cook.

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 Don’t get me started on the bathrooms.  

Please, I wouldn't even CONSIDER this joint for our RHoNY Season finale blow-out party, just for the bathrooms alone! 

This l'il abode in the Dakota might serve  -- only 5.2 million! --  the foyer is perfectly set up for Luann's performance of her new club hit ("I was so uncool,  I broke the Penal Code" ; )

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The apartment looks dated.  Trump Tower was completed in 1983.  The gold trim around the tub sliders are old as well as all the faucets.  Looking very early 1990's. 

Just an fyi:  I believe Jill lives out on their estate on Long Island.  That could be part of his supposed wealth.

I love the Dakota.

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10 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

Since so many college kids are on the 5-6 year plan now (even those who are wealthy and don’t need to go part-time and work), who knows how many are still in school.

I was going by the article that only identified one as a college student. 

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On 3/27/2019 at 2:55 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

I just got home from work and the Scary Island episode is on, it is still as fabulous as it was the first time it aired!  That said, I did not realize that Bethenny had so much work done on her face, like a completely different person now.

Her jaw stands out so much in old episodes.

I will say that her work is much better than Wig Biermann's. She has gone through at least a dozen different faces and still can't decide on one.

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9 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Her jaw stands out so much in old episodes.

I will say that her work is much better than Wig Biermann's. She has gone through at least a dozen different faces and still can't decide on one.

Yes, browsing the Madame Tussauds catalog has its downside.

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On 3/29/2019 at 2:44 PM, film noire said:

I agree.

It has that big corporate blandness thing I hate, where the illusion of wealth hits your eye at first  (it's so big! It must be high end!) but then you look at what the space contains and everything's exactly as you put it: non-descript and tacky. And they want 4.5 million for that poky galley kitchen? Are you kidding me?  Not enough room for two people to plate take-out together, never mind cook.

Please, I wouldn't even CONSIDER this joint for our RHoNY Season finale blow-out party, just for the bathrooms alone! 

This l'il abode in the Dakota might serve  -- only 5.2 million! --  the foyer is perfectly set up for Luann's performance of her new club hit ("I was so uncool,  I broke the Penal Code" ; )

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The Dakota is an amazing building.  And yet “some people” won’t consider it because it’s on the west side.  Jeez, way nicer than any building anyone in my family ever lived in in NYC.

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On 3/29/2019 at 11:34 PM, Rosiejuliemom said:

Her jaw stands out so much in old episodes.

I will say that her work is much better than Wig Biermann's. She has gone through at least a dozen different faces and still can't decide on one.

It’s spring time, which to me means it’s time to break out my spade shovel.  I’ll never not look at that thing without thinking of ole shovel jaw herself!  Even the little plastic digger my kid just got to dig in the sand with at the beach looked like her old effing face.

I guess of all things, she should be thankful Bryn got her jaw and facial shape from Hoppy.  Well, at least as far as I know.  Because we are not supposed to know what she looks like. 🙄😉🤣

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On 3/29/2019 at 1:22 PM, Mrs peel said:

Since so many college kids are on the 5-6 year plan now (even those who are wealthy and don’t need to go part-time and work), who knows how many are still in school.

that apt is both non-descript and tacky.  I know “he who shall not be named by me” loves those gold fixtures, but everywhere I see newish construction it’s nickel plated now.  And I know marble can be expensive, but it seems kinda cold for living space.  It’s a good size for a NY apt, even high end, but a lot of space is wasted on the foyer and hallway to the living room.  Now I can’t recall if there was a hall closet. Don’t get me started on the bathrooms.  The crown molding seems skimpy.  Lord I do love to rip on real estate!

Either the reported $11MM is way off or he was living off credit.  How do you even own a $4.5MM apt if your net worth is $11MM?  I assume the wife stayed in the marital apt, which is likely larger and more expensive.  Or maybe the $11MM is his half.

Not to mention, it also lacks sprinklers in the event of a fire . . .

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6 hours ago, smores said:

Not to mention, it also lacks sprinklers in the event of a fire . . .

Gold fixtures have been working their way back in for a while now.

I never did find out how we know that this is Dead Dennis' apartment.

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8 hours ago, smores said:

Not to mention, it also lacks sprinklers in the event of a fire 

It does have sprinklers.  They did some work on them during the renovation.  There are also certain doors (that led to an ibulding staircase) that had to have certain features.  They couldn’t move them or change aspects of them.  Most notably the big industrial looking push to open type ‘handle’.  There was a discussion with the contractor.  If you have a fire escape staircase outside (this apt doesn’t) then you have one set of regulations.  If you don’t then there is another set.  The working and inspected sprinkler system is one.

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7 hours ago, QuinnM said:

It does have sprinklers.  They did some work on them during the renovation.  There are also certain doors (that led to an ibulding staircase) that had to have certain features.  They couldn’t move them or change aspects of them.  Most notably the big industrial looking push to open type ‘handle’.  There was a discussion with the contractor.  If you have a fire escape staircase outside (this apt doesn’t) then you have one set of regulations.  If you don’t then there is another set.  The working and inspected sprinkler system is one.

His apartment or the building? I remember that being an issue back when the fire happened a couple of years ago.  

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I thought that comment might have been in reference to a guy who died in a Trump Tower fire. Was that Dennis's building?

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8 minutes ago, rhys said:

Was that Dennis's building?

Yes. Dennis found out about the fire in the building because his good friend Michael Cohen called him because he wasn’t at home. 

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Jeez what a web. It's like 6degrees of Kevin Bacon with this group.

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So I’m a Bethenny fan, but I get that she’s not not for everyone.  Thanks to the power that is Hulu, I started watching from Season One and and am now on Season Three.  Other than the gifts from the Gods that are the Scary Island episodes, I had not watched Season 3 since it originally aired.  Besides Scary Islamd, I think of it as the season of the end of Jill and Bethenny.  That being said, knowing how things ended, I look at Jason a whole lot differently.   

In seasons 1-2, Bethenny’s whole narrative was marriage/baby/business with a lot of emphasis on the first two.  When you watch just thick Jadon lays it on in Seadon 3, it’s impossible not to question if he wasn’t a total con artist.  She was gaga for him.  He was telling her exactly what she wanted to hear:  we need to move in together, but first I promise there will be a commitment, I love you, you’re right...Jill is no friend, etc... And throughout this, her business was on the verge of exploding.  He was driving the car in the Hamptons with her logo on it.  We know “he didn’t like Jill”.  

I don’t blame Jason for the demise of Jill and Bethenny, but Jill could be honest with Bethenny back then and may have had her take a step back. Just spit-balling.

Had it not been for the shadow cast by the Bethenny/Jill feud and Scary Island, I think a bit more scrutiny would’ve been paid to Jason.  

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2 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

So I’m a Bethenny fan, but I get that she’s not not for everyone.  Thanks to the power that is Hulu, I started watching from Season One and and am now on Season Three.  Other than the gifts from the Gods that are the Scary Island episodes, I had not watched Season 3 since it originally aired.  Besides Scary Islamd, I think of it as the season of the end of Jill and Bethenny.  That being said, knowing how things ended, I look at Jason a whole lot differently.   

In seasons 1-2, Bethenny’s whole narrative was marriage/baby/business with a lot of emphasis on the first two.  When you watch just thick Jadon lays it on in Seadon 3, it’s impossible not to question if he wasn’t a total con artist.  She was gaga for him.  He was telling her exactly what she wanted to hear:  we need to move in together, but first I promise there will be a commitment, I love you, you’re right...Jill is no friend, etc... And throughout this, her business was on the verge of exploding.  He was driving the car in the Hamptons with her logo on it.  We know “he didn’t like Jill”.  

I don’t blame Jason for the demise of Jill and Bethenny, but Jill could be honest with Bethenny back then and may have had her take a step back. Just spit-balling.

Had it not been for the shadow cast by the Bethenny/Jill feud and Scary Island, I think a bit more scrutiny would’ve been paid to Jason.  

I never liked Jason 2... I found him sketchy even back when we first met him - pretty much for the reasons you brought up and and I agree that the other extenuating circumstances took the spotlight off of him for the most part. Then when he and BF had their own show there were many times I found myself side-eyeing him... of course I come from a place of skepticism and non-trusting, so... add to that his funky energy and, yeah, he was saying all the right things to latch on to her. It's too bad BF didn't see the signs, or at the very least, didn't marry him... But she longed for a husband back then... even if she had to make a square peg fit in a round hole... she had to know he was not right but went with it anyway to complete her fantasy...instead she got a nightmare. Ugh. Never liked him...

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1 hour ago, BodhiGurl said:

she had to know he was not right but went with it anyway to complete her fantasy

She had to know he was not right but went with it anyway to spin her own show Bethenny (N)Ever After. 

That's how far Beth will go to place herself in the spotlight. Too bad that this was the first failed attempt to make a show all about her and now Bryn is caught in the crossfire.

She herself has admitted that she was aware that she was making a big mistake but was willing to sell her soul for thirst.

Her own words:

“Looking back on that, I don’t really believe in regret, and it was situation where they were giving me a show – a spin-off – and I was in a relationship and it kind of just became, ‘This is what’s going on in your life, and this is compelling ”

Now she is changing up/ making up this Dennis storyline to be "compelling". 

She doesn't really believe in regret, but Paul surely will, soon enough.

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17 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Her own words:

“Looking back on that, I don’t really believe in regret, and it was situation where they were giving me a show – a spin-off – and I was in a relationship and it kind of just became, ‘This is what’s going on in your life, and this is compelling ”

Wow, never knew she said that. I always thought she was so raw and honest with Luann in the Berkshires when she said even though she lives for her daughter she wished someone had “pulled her out.” 

Paul looks like a handsomer version of Jason. 

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23 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

She had to know he was not right but went with it anyway to spin her own show Bethenny (N)Ever After. 

She already had the spin off.  It was originally supposed to be focused on her dating people, but then she met Jason, got pregnant and they were getting married, so the focus of the show changed and became their own little show instead.  But, she was spinning off whether he was there or not.

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Beth looked absolutely incredible on WWHL last night.  Amazing how she went from these harsh features to looking like a delicate doll.  The work she has done on her face is so good.  

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4 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Beth looked absolutely incredible on WWHL last night.  Amazing how she went from these harsh features to looking like a delicate doll.  The work she has done on her face is so good.  

Yeah, I guess.  I posted about her over the WWHL thread. At first, I didn't even recognize her. The voice gave her away though. lol  She might need a little voice coaching to bring it down a little. 

I also commented on how she seemed quite different in spirit. I AM NOT a fan, any longer. Used to be, til I saw how she really is, but, it got my attention when she talked about how she's changed since Dennis died. Could this be true?  Am I a fool for believing people change?  I generally, don't believe that people change. Not really.  But, I will keep my mind open.  There are things about her that make me doubt it, like the recent trial, but, I won't go there here. 

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But she longed for a husband back then... even if she had to make a square peg fit in a round hole... she had to know he was not right but went with it anyway to complete her fantasy

Yes ... and she didn't want one of those short bald guys that are apparently the only ones out in NYC social circles to father her child.  But I knew it was doomed the second after they got married and she TURNED AND WALKED DOWN THE AISLE BY HERSELF TO THE APPLAUSE OF THE GUESTS.  She got his sperm and she was done. 

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Somewhere B said she didn’t know where she fit in at Dennis’ funeral. That’s because she DIDN’T FIT IT at Dennis’ funeral. His wife and children did, any siblings, nieces, nephews, mom and dad if they’re still living, real friends. She had absolutely NO BUSINESS going to his funeral. She, as always, made his death about her. I cannot stand this woman and God bless her innocent child. I’m not sure she stands a chance at a “normal” life with these two cretins as her parents. 

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I disagree.  Dennis was her friend as well as her on/off boyfriend.  She knew him, and even if she only liked him a little bit, she still had a right to be at his funeral.  Hell, sometimes complete strangers go to a person's funeral, for various reasons.  

I do think it must have been very awkward for Bethenny, and really hammered home how messy and undefined their relationship was.  I think that's why she's been vacillating between over-fixating on an engagement that didn't really happen (because being his unofficial fiancee would give her a label she could wear and point to) and over-dramatizing their last few days and interactions together, when she was trying to decide the direction she wanted to go in.  Dennis' death took that choice out of her hands - now Bethenny is feeling guilty and relieved and very emotional, because everything is still messy and undefined, and will always be so.  And hopefully she's having real therapy sessions off camera!

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28 minutes ago, ancslove said:

I disagree.  Dennis was her friend as well as her on/off boyfriend.  She knew him, and even if she only liked him a little bit, she still had a right to be at his funeral.  Hell, sometimes complete strangers go to a person's funeral, for various reasons.  

I do think it must have been very awkward for Bethenny, and really hammered home how messy and undefined their relationship was.  I think that's why she's been vacillating between over-fixating on an engagement that didn't really happen (because being his unofficial fiancee would give her a label she could wear and point to) and over-dramatizing their last few days and interactions together, when she was trying to decide the direction she wanted to go in.  Dennis' death took that choice out of her hands - now Bethenny is feeling guilty and relieved and very emotional, because everything is still messy and undefined, and will always be so.  And hopefully she's having real therapy sessions off camera!

You're so right.   Not only should Bethenny have been at the funeral,   Dennis would have wanted her there.   We only saw him a few times on RHONY but it was obvious that he adored her.

BTW......Jill Shields has had a boyfriend for a few years now.

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Bethenny outing Rinna on WWHL:

"As I said to Lisa (Rinna) if you're gonna take a shot at that V, you better land it.  If you are going to put her (LVP) in the ground, you better make sure one finger ain't moving." 

Now she is backpedaling, trying to change the context since people are going after her on twitter.

She just can't help herself and her big mouth.

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8 hours ago, AnnA said:

You're so right.   Not only should Bethenny have been at the funeral,   Dennis would have wanted her there.   We only saw him a few times on RHONY but it was obvious that he adored her.

BTW......Jill Shields has had a boyfriend for a few years now.

Agreed. I'm forever confused as to why BF shouldn't have gone to his funeral... Especially confused when it's brought up that he "had a wife and kids"... he had an estranged wife he was separated from, a wife who had her own new romantic partner, and mostly adult children. One of said children who apparently was ok with his relationship with BF.... If she didn't discuss Dennis' passing this season that would be strange as well. She seems to be going through a normal wave of emotions and feelings. Sigh.

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9 hours ago, AnnA said:

BTW......Jill Shields has had a boyfriend for a few years now.

Who supported her through the service and internment. 

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I'm not certain whether or not BF should have attended his funeral, but I'll say that if the wife and kids wanted to prevent her from it, they could have made it a private/by invitation only affair.  BF would have then had to create a helluva scene, thereby painting her as the drama addict that she may or may not be. 

Look at me being all politician up in here.

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What stood out to me about Bethenny being at the funeral was a picture of her crying and hugging a woman who was standing next to her. All of the other mourners were turned facing the grave. Bethenny was the only one facing away and facing the cameras so that they could get a good shot of her grief stricken face. She know damn good and well photographers were going to be there looking for her and she positioned herself so that they got their shot. 

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I read that Dennis’ wife and kids had asked B not to come because she was a paparazzi magnet and they wanted the funeral to be about Dennis, not her. That’s why I said she had no business being there.

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I think we all know not to believe everything we read...........especially if it's in the tabloids or on some gossip website.

The paparazzi are everywhere in New York and they are always chasing a story. They were going to cover the funeral whether  Bethenny was there or not.   Chances are there would have been more coverage/speculation if she didn't show up.  The paparazzi are professionals; they're  going to get their "shot" regardless of which way anyone is facing.   

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6 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I'm not certain whether or not BF should have attended his funeral, but I'll say that if the wife and kids wanted to prevent her from it, they could have made it a private/by invitation only affair.  BF would have then had to create a helluva scene, thereby painting her as the drama addict that she may or may not be. 

Look at me being all politician up in here.

If Bethenny chose to stay away from the funeral, the paparazzi and every entertainment reporter on the planet would be chasing after her for an explanation.   There's no doubt in my mind that instead of calling Bethenny names for going to the funeral, her detractors would be calling her names for NOT going.

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39 minutes ago, AnnA said:

If Bethenny chose to stay away from the funeral, the paparazzi and every entertainment reporter on the planet would be chasing after her for an explanation.   There's no doubt in my mind that instead of calling Bethenny names for going to the funeral, her detractors would be calling her names for NOT going.

Neither Bethenny or Dennis or that relationship is that high profile. A random pap asking a question perhaps but this was not a huge story and would have been even less of one if she didn’t go since a few days before he died she was giving interviews saying she was single.

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1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

Neither Bethenny or Dennis or that relationship is that high profile. A random pap asking a question perhaps but this was not a huge story and would have been even less of one if she didn’t go since a few days before he died she was giving interviews saying she was single.

I disagree.    There's no way that Page Six, TMZ, ROL, ET, OK, US, etc. would have missed reporting Bethenny Frankel gossip.

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On 4/11/2019 at 12:57 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Yeah, I guess.  I posted about her over the WWHL thread. At first, I didn't even recognize her. The voice gave her away though. lol  She might need a little voice coaching to bring it down a little. 

I also commented on how she seemed quite different in spirit. I AM NOT a fan, any longer. Used to be, til I saw how she really is, but, it got my attention when she talked about how she's changed since Dennis died. Could this be true?  Am I a fool for believing people change?  I generally, don't believe that people change. Not really.  But, I will keep my mind open.  There are things about her that make me doubt it, like the recent trial, but, I won't go there here. 

I think people can change for sure.  Sometimes things will soften you as you get older and somethings may make you more harsh.  I know some things that have happened in my life hardened me a bit as well as my sisters.  I am trying to get back to where I was but its not so easy.  It sounds like she is trying to be more easy going.  We will see.  She is pretty high strung.

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16 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I think people can change for sure.  Sometimes things will soften you as you get older and somethings may make you more harsh.  I know some things that have happened in my life hardened me a bit as well as my sisters.  I am trying to get back to where I was but its not so easy.  It sounds like she is trying to be more easy going.  We will see.  She is pretty high strung.

Kinda off topic, sorry, but... if that can help : I always try to remember that people are NOT guilty of what they ignore/don't know/are not aware of... BUT... as soon as they "know", if they don't do anything about it, they're at least complice....

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5 minutes ago, Diane Mars said:

Kinda off topic, sorry, but... if that can help : I always try to remember that people are NOT guilty of what they ignore/don't know/are not aware of... BUT... as soon as they "know", if they don't do anything about it, they're at least complice....

Thanks.  I am trying.  I sorta shut down and closed off after what I went through w my dad.  I am trying to be better and open my world up again.  

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1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

Thanks.  I am trying.  I sorta shut down and closed off after what I went through w my dad.  I am trying to be better and open my world up again.  

You'll never be guilty for failing, as long as you try ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

Take care
 

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2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I think people can change for sure.  Sometimes things will soften you as you get older and somethings may make you more harsh.  I know some things that have happened in my life hardened me a bit as well as my sisters.  I am trying to get back to where I was but its not so easy.  It sounds like she is trying to be more easy going.  We will see.  She is pretty high strung.

Natalie. I am where you are with my sister. My sister is emotionally closed off and can be hard to have a any relationship with (especially close) and she is getting even worse as we get older. Things have happened in the last couple of years that have made things even more problematic. My sister is harsh and has gotten even more harsh over the years, My sister is incapable of actually understanding her role in anything that has anything to do with emotions.  I’m 54 she’s 60 - I’ve had rheumatoid arthritis since I was 13 (she has yet to have any understanding how that makes my life hard - and I’ve had 8 major surgeries in 10 years related to my arthritis). I’m so blessed that I have a wonderful husband and friends (only because I make myself accessible emotionally). Trying to figure out a way forward without her ever recognizing her culpability in things that have happened with our parents and our family is really hard. I know she will never change (which is sad for her) is hard as I feel like I’m doing 90% of the work in our emotional relationship.

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2 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

Natalie. I am where you are with my sister. My sister is emotionally closed off and can be hard to have a any relationship with (especially close) and she is getting even worse as we get older. Things have happened in the last couple of years that have made things even more problematic. My sister is harsh and has gotten even more harsh over the years, My sister is incapable of actually understanding her role in anything that has anything to do with emotions.  I’m 54 she’s 60 - I’ve had rheumatoid arthritis since I was 13 (she has yet to have any understanding how that makes my life hard - and I’ve had 8 major surgeries in 10 years related to my arthritis). I’m so blessed that I have a wonderful husband and friends (only because I make myself accessible emotionally). Trying to figure out a way forward without her ever recognizing her culpability in things that have happened with our parents and our family is really hard. I know she will never change (which is sad for her) is hard as I feel like I’m doing 90% of the work in our emotional relationship.

OT:  I am so sorry.  You have a lot to deal with and that has got to be rough.  I am glad you have a good support system.  We are lucky we have fabulous husbands and a handful of true supporters.  We get along pretty well except for a few hiccups.  We all went through something pretty horrible that actually keeps rearing its head due to other victims contacting us.  So it has made us very distrustful and harder if that makes sense.  A lot of the feelings associated with it are really just hitting us now (happened in 2015).  Tempers are easily flared and I need to remind myself to be a little softer with people.  We will get there, it just has been a mindfuck.  I have to remember there were a lot of victims in our scenario.    Thank you for sharing.  

To get back on topic and not get in trouble with the mods: It seems like maybe Bethenny is being a bit more self reflective.  She is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and while I am a fan, I see her issues.  I am trying to give her the same benefit of the doubt that I would like to be given.  We are who we are made to be by circumstances.  It takes a lot to work through it and THANK GOD I am not doing it on tv.  Maybe it is therapeutic for her.  I do not know.  

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