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45 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Aww thanks. She's an old cat and so it's not surprising but still heartbreaking. We're buying her kidney friendly wet food.

The main problem my friend had (she is also a veterinary tech) was to resist the urge to give her kitty any treats or extra food. Her cat whined and there was guilt involved, but after a few weeks both came to accept their new way of life. The end result was health and a longer life span. Wishing the best for your fur family member. 
 

P.S. Bastet is a great resource and usually knows/has the best information or advice. 

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1 hour ago, Growsonwalls said:

My 16 year old cat has kidney disease and needs to go on a kidney friendly cat diet. 😞

My Mr Norris who passed away at the age of 20 this past June went on a kidney friendly diet and was doing well for the last 2.5 yrs of his life. It’s scary but your kitty will adjust!

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9 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

My Mr Norris who passed away at the age of 20 this past June went on a kidney friendly diet and was doing well for the last 2.5 yrs of his life. It’s scary but your kitty will adjust!

Thanks for the encouraging words everyone. Just worried because Pumpkin was always a finicky eater. I'm just afraid she won't accept the new diet. 

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54 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Is feeding her some broiled salmon a good idea? 

That's very high protein, and fish can cause problems for cats in general (although more often with males than females) so it's best left as an occasional treat.

1 minute ago, Growsonwalls said:

Just worried because Pumpkin was always a finicky eater. I'm just afraid she won't accept the new diet. 

Slow and steady wins the race; if you gradually replace a larger and larger percentage of her usual food with what you want her to eat instead, she'll probably come around. 

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11 hours ago, Bastet said:

so I prefer commercial food using quality ingredients along with a phosphorus binder [e.g. aluminum hydroxide]. 

I feel that my Onyx is in real danger now.  I'm a bad mom I guess, but I haven't really changed her food other than to eliminate all dry supplementation, and NO TREATS (this was done when she was first diagnosed, 3+ years ago).  Her vets have never suggested any dietary changes/additions, so they haven't really helped.  In the past with another cat, I purchased the KD prescription from them, but they have never suggested it with Onyx.  She only gets canned food, but I won't pretend that it's the highest quality available, as unfortunately, budget is an issue.

I would be very interested if you're willing to disclose what commercial food you used.  Feel free to pm me, if you don't want to share it here.

 

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15 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

My Mr Norris who passed away at the age of 20 this past June went on a kidney friendly diet and was doing well for the last 2.5 yrs of his life. It’s scary but your kitty will adjust!

hey I had a cat named Mrs.Norris!  

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Apparently the asthma medication that the smaller cat is taking could be causing him to act even more temperamental.  Kitty roid rage.  The vet is upping his dosage to try and get his asthma under control, this is the second time the vet has upped the frequency.  Now he gets a pill every day.

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6 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I would be very interested if you're willing to disclose what commercial food you used.

Unfortunately, the food I fed Maddie (a Solid Gold formula) has a rather different make-up now, and is no longer low in phosphorus.  This chart (compiled by a vet) shows the caloric composition - percentage of calories from protein, fat, and carbohydrates - of a wide variety of canned cat food, and also the phosphorus content. 

Shermie (my recently-departed "nephew" with CKD and hyperthyroidism) did well for many years on Wellness chicken paté.  His kidney values escalated a few months ago, so my friend added a phosphorus binder (aluminum hydroxide).  His phosphorus level indeed came down some, but she figured at 20 years old, there was not going to be time for the crappy Rx food to do any damage, and went ahead and tried him on the Royal Canin renal formula (to get truly low phosphorus, you have to use a prescription food, as it falls below the nutritional guidelines and thus can only be fed when approved by a vet).  But I don't think he'd even been eating it for a month by the time he died, so the values were about the same.

If it has been three years, and Onyx's kidney values are holding steady or progressing slowly, then what you're feeding is working just fine for her.  But Dr. Pierson's chart I linked above provides a wealth of information about cat food you cannot get from looking at cans, or even from the manufacturers' websites.  Dr. Pierson is devoted to cats, particularly feline nutrition, so her website has a lot of information and advice.

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@Growsonwalls Pumpkin is adorable!

My Shana had kidney disease and she did very well for a couple of years with just changing to the prescription kidney food.  And almost a couple more with the sub-q fluids 1st once a week and then twice a week.  Now, the phosphorus binder was a whole other story because that is when her pickiness kicked in - no matter how I tried to disguise it she knew it was there, so the Dr wound up giving her that at the same time as the fluid treatment.  Plus it sounds like Pumpkins discovered early.

@Bastet I was hoping you would weigh in as you provided links to so much info (take it in chunks is correct) and encouragement with Shana it was really helpful.  You even laid out all the pros and cons of transplants.

 

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Pumpkin knows she's cute too. She likes to admire herself in the mirror. 

Thanks for all the advice about CKD. It sounds like this is a common ailment among senior cats.

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1 minute ago, Growsonwalls said:

I call her Queen of the Oranges.

I can imagine her with one of those ruffled collars and a tiara! Regal!

Both of my late cats had kidney issues develop in their early teens, and they did well for several years. One was a particularly picky eater and would not eat the K/D food prescribed by the vet at first, but grudgingly came around. We also used the chart of cat food nutritional info on Dr. Pierson’s site that @Bastet mentioned above. Best of luck to you and the Queen.

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13 hours ago, Bastet said:

Unfortunately, the food I fed Maddie (a Solid Gold formula) has a rather different make-up now, and is no longer low in phosphorus.  This chart (compiled by a vet) shows the caloric composition - percentage of calories from protein, fat, and carbohydrates - of a wide variety of canned cat food, and also the phosphorus content. 

Shermie (my recently-departed "nephew" with CKD and hyperthyroidism) did well for many years on Wellness chicken paté.  His kidney values escalated a few months ago, so my friend added a phosphorus binder (aluminum hydroxide).  His phosphorus level indeed came down some, but she figured at 20 years old, there was not going to be time for the crappy Rx food to do any damage, and went ahead and tried him on the Royal Canin renal formula (to get truly low phosphorus, you have to use a prescription food, as it falls below the nutritional guidelines and thus can only be fed when approved by a vet).  But I don't think he'd even been eating it for a month by the time he died, so the values were about the same.

If it has been three years, and Onyx's kidney values are holding steady or progressing slowly, then what you're feeding is working just fine for her.  But Dr. Pierson's chart I linked above provides a wealth of information about cat food you cannot get from looking at cans, or even from the manufacturers' websites.  Dr. Pierson is devoted to cats, particularly feline nutrition, so her website has a lot of information and advice.

Thanks so much.  The last time O's bloodwork was done (not quite a yr ago), her values were holding pretty well, and the Vet didn't feel that SubQ was needed quite yet, but I know what I'm seeing, and she is def getting more frail.  She is eating and drinking without much trouble so far.  Starting to become more vocal, which concerns me.  I've tried a couple of Wellness varieties with no success.  My kitties are nothing if not prototypically fussy.  They will eat a new food with vigor right up until I buy multiple cans of it, then "nope".  

I appreciate your info and the links.  I've started trying to disseminate the link you provided ^upthread.  See you in a month, lol.

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11 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

Orange kitties are the best kitties!

Growing up, the next door lady had a huge family, most of her kids had moved out of the house.  She had two Siamese cats.  A Tabby stray kept coming over to her house.  She took it in and took the two Siamese cats she had for a decade or so down to the animal shelter.  When her daughter found out about it she was very upset.  When her daughter went down to get the two older Siamese cats they were gone.  I don't know what that meant, I didn't ask.  I assume it wasn't good.

I like all cats.  My first two cats were black. My current cats are a tigerish white cat and a tuxedo.    The tuxedo is the smaller cat and has the asthma issue.

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1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

Growing up, the next door lady had a huge family, most of her kids had moved out of the house.  She had two Siamese cats.  A Tabby stray kept coming over to her house.  She took it in and took the two Siamese cats she had for a decade or so down to the animal shelter.  When her daughter found out about it she was very upset.  When her daughter went down to get the two older Siamese cats they were gone.  I don't know what that meant, I didn't ask.  I assume it wasn't good.

I like all cats.  My first two cats were black. My current cats are a tigerish white cat and a tuxedo.    The tuxedo is the smaller cat and has the asthma issue.

Stories like this make my soul ache.

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2 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

Growing up, the next door lady had a huge family, most of her kids had moved out of the house.  She had two Siamese cats.  A Tabby stray kept coming over to her house.  She took it in and took the two Siamese cats she had for a decade or so down to the animal shelter.  When her daughter found out about it she was very upset.  When her daughter went down to get the two older Siamese cats they were gone.  I don't know what that meant, I didn't ask.  I assume it wasn't good.

I like all cats.  My first two cats were black. My current cats are a tigerish white cat and a tuxedo.    The tuxedo is the smaller cat and has the asthma issue.

That's awful. Peiple are garbage sometimes. 

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20 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Harry Potter reference?

yes! she was beautiful part seal point Siamese and Persian

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Progress, our most important product! Lily and Quirk will play with each other for a little while every other day or so, as long as I don't notice them doing it.  And Quirk has taken to sleeping on top of the office cat tree after breakfast, this week. It's the first time she's slept anywhere without a "roof" on it (in the large carrier, in the kitchen chairs pushed under the table, in the cat tree tunnel, on the bottom shelf in the closet, etc.).

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On 1/22/2021 at 10:46 PM, icemiser69 said:

Before Covid hit, I had read some info which stated that in the United States a cat and dog get "put down" on average every fifteen seconds.  I would imagine that has accelerated at a much faster rate since Covid.

I don't know about all areas but my area, the pound population has gone way down since covid.  Seems everyone stuck at home wanted a companion.   

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On 2/15/2021 at 1:23 AM, magicdog said:

I don't know about all areas but my area, the pound population has gone way down since covid.  Seems everyone stuck at home wanted a companion.

That is awesome, I hope they keep them when things get better.

I do know that it has been reported that many have had to give up their pets due to job loss.  Pets that they loved so much.  That is the double whammy, losing a job and having to give up their companion pets.

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Completely anecdotal evidence, but at the food pantry hereabouts where I work several days a week, we are seeing more and more people with new pets (found and adopted from the shelter small dogs and cats and a few bigger dogs). I think the endless isolation caused by our lockdowns are certainly contributing to the desire for a companion and I feel very privileged to be able to give out cat and dog food as well as people food when asked (due to the wonderful generosity of our local citizenry who continue to bring stuff pretty much every day to supplement what we have to buy in terms of staples). One of our "walkers" (what we call people that don't even have a car to live in, and just walk in for a special bag of food that doesn't require kitchen prep) had a big square backpack with an adorable kitty perched on top - the cat and the fella looked really happy with each other and the guy told us the cat refuses to be left behind (I think the guy is camping somewhere) and rides around quite contently "on top of the world".

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10 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

That is awesome, I hope they keep them when things get better.

I'm pretty sure they do.  Many of them go to people who are working remotely so they have the time to be home and spend it with their new buddy.  

Last year, when the shutdown first happened, we had a local viewer who sent us a short video of her cat meowing.  According to her, the cat was protesting her presence since she was supposed to be at work! 

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Cubby is doing better with the additional asthma medication doses, but it is making him sleep much more than he normally does.

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Get enough of those things in a room and they would be like bumper cars.  Those cats need to lift their tails so they don't get squished.

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5 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

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We are patiently waiting for treats. 

They're adorable---and intense!

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10 minutes ago, Suzn said:

They're adorable---and intense!

They are really good cats and will be 18 this year. 

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54 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

We are patiently waiting for treats. 

I couldn't quote the pictures but they are gorgeous! Granted, I am biased.

Nothing quite like the intense stare of a black cat.

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56 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

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We are patiently waiting for treats. 

I love them!!!! As you can probably tell by my profile picture (Scarlett died July 2014, Mr Norris June 2020)

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A friend of mine received a bag of "Gourmet Mix" birdseed with an online order. It was a mistake, but the company told her to keep it. She doesn't have a feeder, so she gave it to me.  Normally I fill my feeders with black oil sunflower seeds, and the birds are plentiful and go through about 40 pounds of food a week if not more.  I'm watching them now and in my head they're saying this:

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28 minutes ago, ABay said:

Yesterday was the 10th anniversary of Girl Cat coming to live with me. We celebrated with catnip and brownies. She had the catnip.

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She is a beauty and looks like my smaller cat Squeaky.
I’m glad that you had a celebration for her and she was treated with catnip. Brownies sound good too!

 

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1 hour ago, bosawks said:

When you’re cleaning and hear whining behind you.....

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Obviously he just wants to help...

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On 2/10/2021 at 7:55 PM, Bastet said:

 

Slow and steady wins the race; if you gradually replace a larger and larger percentage of her usual food with what you want her to eat instead, she'll probably come around. 

Just like human children.  (In fact, cats tend to less obnoxious about the process.)

On 2/11/2021 at 7:11 AM, Growsonwalls said:

This is Pumpkin isn't she cute?

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Darling.

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On 2/21/2021 at 3:07 PM, bosawks said:

When you’re cleaning and hear whining behind you.....

My bigger cat would eat the tag off of that blanket/towel in just a few minutes.  When the big guy decides to chew something up and eat it, he isn't too particular what it is he is eating.

I'm thinking of changing his name to Captain Squishy,   He doesn't get upset when I blow raspberries into his tummy.  He just gives me that "what are you doing" look.

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On 2/18/2021 at 5:38 PM, bosawks said:

Blonde on Blonde

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What a big pretty dog!

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